The Observer today reports on unanswered questions in the 22 July shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes in Stockwell Tube station in London.
The unanswered questions:
If he was such a potential danger to the public why was de Menezes allowed to enter Stockwell tube station?
Did commanding officers give the order to shoot or was the decision taken ‘on the ground’?
Why is there no CCTV footage?
Why was the decision made to shoot? — The Observer
One of the most disturbing revelations in this case is that de Menezes used his Oyster card to enter the station, and was already going down the escalator to the platform when armed police arrived. It seems that the man seen vaulting the ticket barrier was one of the police officers.
In addition, the cameras were conveniently out of service in Stockwell Station that day. Yes, all of them. With the heightened security, why weren’t Tube bosses working on getting them back in service? Were there any cameras in the Tube carriage, and if so, what happened to them?
I suspect it’s going to be quite a while before we hear what really happened, but it’s starting to look more and more like incompetence run wild.
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N. Mallory
Aug 15, 2005
Incompetence or a flat out hit of some kind…political kidnapping gone wrong?
Or that’s just the paranoid conspiracy theorist in me.
It’s kind of like all of those missing military records of politicians…
Mark J
Aug 15, 2005
IO,
Been meaning to post about this… these new details have changed my mind about the incident (as I said might happen).
Michael Hampton
Aug 16, 2005
After you see enough of these, you start getting good at recognizing the fishy smell sooner. Keep watching; I’m sure this isn’t the last we’ve heard of this.
Cluedup
Aug 19, 2005
I dont consider myself paranoid but I do believe Jean Charles was “executed” deliberately – no mistake – no confusion over surveillance – he knew something about 7/7 that had to remain hidden. My god even Michael Ryan who on August 16 1987 gunned down 16 innocent people and shot and wounded scores more was spared a bullet from police marksmen when he holed himself up in the local school. Jean Charles knew something – i believe in a totally innocent connection – something about the very fishy London bombings. It has been posted on other websites that eyewitnesses saw evidence on tube to suggest bombs were placed underneath the floor of the train, and that the apparent “electrical surges” so widely talked about at the beginning of the crisis may have been used to detonate the bombs – Jean Charles was a contract electrician – maybe there was a connection in this regard or another scenario may be that as he lived in the same building as one of the suspects – maybe that same suspect had spoken to him and told him how he had been invited to take part in the “mock tube bomb exercise” carried out by Visor Consultants on the morning of 7/7 for money (thus leading him to be a very convenient patsy terrorist) – maybe Jean Charles knew about that. Whatever it was I find it very difficult to believe that normal firearms officers carried out this operation – it smacks of special forces involvement – i really do not think that bread and butter coppers from the Met would have the inhumanity to hold a guy, obviously not wearing a bomb, a guy sat reading a newspaper, hold him down in his seat and empty 7 bullets into his head. That is abhorrent. He was never challenged, never given a chance to speak or protest his innocence – Saddam Hussein was given better treatment! Of course to belive these theories you then have to believe that the London bombings were not all they seemed – but then neither was the death of Diana and who would have thought that there could be forces at work in this country who could cold bloodedly murder her – if they can do that they can do anything. It is obvious that the higher echelons of the police have lied lied and lied again to cover up this murder – we have to ask ourselves why.
Andrew Milner
Aug 20, 2005
If the Metropolitan Police would fabricate just about every detail of the Stockwell shooting, you can’t help wondering if the 7 July bombing was kosher (no pun intended).
Face it, the Vietnam War was lost on the home front, so what more logical way to keep the Brits. on side than a terrorist outrage in London. Risky strategy, because in backfired in Madrid. But this time Tricky Tony has the media under tight control. Bush is in serious trouble, and not just in Iraq. Time’s running out and he’s getting desperate. Expect something big very soon. Nice neutral Buddhist country, anyone?
Sarah Maiorino
Nov 08, 2005
I can not belive that Menezes was shot, killed…and for what? I am currently doing an assignment on this issue at school and i have found that the Police had no accurate evidence to support Menezes being a terrorist. There was a lack of communication between the different branches of the police (Menezes was told to be ‘taken alive’) and the Police’s story about Menezes jumping ticket barriers and running from them, is now believed to be untrue. It discusts me at how paranoid our society now is. I am 15 years old and even i can see that what we are doing is wrong. Ever since September 11th our society has been filled with hatred and paranoia. When is it all going to end? Well, i thought that killing an innocent person out of descreation and haste would make us all realise that we all need to stop and have a think about what we are doing to each other. We live in fear. Menezes was a Brazillian electrician who had no ties what so ever to terrorism. If is can happen to him, it could happen to any of us. When are we going to learn that violence does not solve our problems?
who
Nov 26, 2005
It did not happen! Jean Charles was not on that train.
It was a cruel and sophisticated hoax to frighten the public and bombers who are not up for suicide.
Michael Hampton
Nov 26, 2005
And would you care to explain that or supply some evidence? There is nothing at your Web site which can remotely be called “evidence” of this ridiculous claim.
who
Jan 13, 2006
The first article is
http://who.journalspace.com/?entryid=1
and the second is
http://who.journalspace.com/?entryid=2
and it links to the photos referred to in the first post earlier that day.
Consider also the absence of CCTV footage of De Menezes at the station.
He was not there, there is nothing to show! It is not that the cameras were accidentally switched off or were wiped in a cover-up attempt. It is all a HOAX and the parents know it. They continue to support the smoke screen, now making irrelevant complaints that top policeman Ian Blair misled the public for a few days.
Look at the images.
Leila Mendonca
Apr 19, 2006
I’m Brazilian, writing a script about Jean Charles de Menezes’ death.
I found it deeply disgusting that a reader of this site has suggested that Maria and Matusinhos, Jean’s parents, know about a HOAX, that their son body is not buried at Gonzaga cemetery and so on. I visited Gonzaga myself, I taped the mass realized by the time of what was to be his 28th birthday, we made a homage in the cemetery, I became friends with his parents, brother, family and whole city and I’m asking people here that, whatever theory your mind make up, do please don’t offend their family and don’t doubt that Jean was innocent. People paranoic as Illuminati fans like to say that because Jean was an eletricist, he knew something about bombs or have some links with it. Those people are ignorant. Jean got an eletrician certificate through a popular learning distant course in Brazil and in London he fixed alarms and unsophisticated eletric things (as my own brother do in Brazil too). We Brazilian are far away from the ways terrorists and lordwars carry their killing business. Since I have started read everything about Stockwell case (in order to enrich my script) I haven’t read anything more absurd than what I read in this site: one saying that jean is not dead, that his coffin is empty, and so on…. Those people are of the same type of the ones who like to think Elvis is alive or Kennedy lives in Nepal…. They wouldn’t tell such things if they could hold the hands of Jean’s mother as I did and share with her the pain of loosing a son in such criminal circunstances (no matter if the state wins the case, it won’t make the execution less criminal).
Anyone who would like to give me his opinion – not hate mail, please – can contact me at scriptandfilm@yahoo.com
Thanks
Justin Case
May 12, 2007
The assasination of De Menezes was a carefully planed exercise designed to have the maximum news impact arround the world. It was a loud and clear message to anyone who was thinking of whistleblowing about what really happened on 7/7. The message said: Look, this is what we can do to anyone, any time, any place, with total impunity. Peter Power, managing director of Visor Consultants (and a former Scotland Yard official) contacted, and was interviewed on national radio and television on 7/7 to exoplain that his company had been involved in a mock terrorist attack exercise involving the same tube stations which were attacked, and at the same the same time that the bombings took place(these interviews are redilly available on-the net). His decision to go on air must certainly have compromised his company’s relationship with his contractor’s (whose name he is careful not to mention) by bringing this “bizzare coincidence” to the attention of the media. Yet he went out of his way to tell his story. Why did he do that if not to protect himself by raising his profile? And would he have even tried to get in touch with the media the day after De Menezes was executed?
Mark Rosmar
Aug 06, 2007
The thing that gets me about the whole Jean Charles de Menezes incident is that whenever the position of the Met is publicly represented it is always by authority, officialdom and eloquence contrasted with the position of the Brazilian which is normally portrayed by an accented, mis-focussed individual. But what cost my faith in The Met is the lies and spin that came from them via the media, not to mention how they toyed with the timelines, lost the CCTV, bamoozled the press, distorted information, misdirected the information flow, promoted the Commander, demonized the young man,lied to the public with innuendo as well as the IPCC investigation and then to suggest that they were not offering the poor boy’s family (the paltry) £500,000. If it were an American citizen who was shot I think it might have turned out somewhat differently, and actually it the rush to appease the American masters in the first place that put the Met in this position (intentionally or unintentionally); incidentally the positon of the Met: a tragic error while trying to protect Londoners from terrorism and trying to apprehend the 21/7 misbombers has been accepted without ever being proven or challenged. Look, no matter what is said now, the boy is dead, he cannot rise, no choric “sorry” is going to bring him back, but if I were the judge on this one the award I would make against the Met -to the De Menezes family would be enough to build a new Heathrow Airport.
N Chalmers
Nov 08, 2007
It is glaringly obvious that the Menezes killing was fishy, as was the Stephen Kelly assassination. I wish people would wake up and work things out for themselves, and not believe the rubbish in the media. It is obvious that the new world order globalists are furthering their agenda daily I wish people would wake up and see it.