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> <channel><title>Comments on: Smoking ban costs Indianapolis businesses</title> <atom:link href="http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/</link> <description>Protect yourself from government gaffes, bureaucratic blunders and incumbent incompetence</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:41:39 -0500</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Rock</title><link>http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-67263</link> <dc:creator>Rock</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 06:11:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ioerror.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-67263</guid> <description>I spend a LOT of tme in California, In Monterey, adjacent to a large military post, with all the bars and clubs that usually go with it. California has a state-wide ban on indoor smoking, PERIOD.  Not in bars, clubs, restaurants, offices or stores.
Funny thing, every bar was FULL, and no one smoked inside.  If you think people will go somewhere else so they can smoke, they wont, because if they go next door, or across the street, or across town, they can&#039;t smoke inside there either.
It&#039;s great to go into a bar, have some drinks with my friends, be able to breath and not go home smelling like an ashtray.
I&#039;m not a smoker but it looks to me that for a ban to work, it must be statewide, that would take the &quot;location&quot; out of the equation.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spend a LOT of tme in California, In Monterey, adjacent to a large military post, with all the bars and clubs that usually go with it. California has a state-wide ban on indoor smoking, PERIOD.  Not in bars, clubs, restaurants, offices or stores.<br
/> Funny thing, every bar was FULL, and no one smoked inside.  If you think people will go somewhere else so they can smoke, they wont, because if they go next door, or across the street, or across town, they can&#8217;t smoke inside there either.<br
/> It&#8217;s great to go into a bar, have some drinks with my friends, be able to breath and not go home smelling like an ashtray.<br
/> I&#8217;m not a smoker but it looks to me that for a ban to work, it must be statewide, that would take the &#8220;location&#8221; out of the equation.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael Hampton</title><link>http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-66935</link> <dc:creator>Michael Hampton</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:18:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ioerror.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-66935</guid> <description>Sure, now that everyone&#039;s used to it and people have lost their jobs and restaurants and bars have gone out of business. NOW it&#039;s okay.To borrow a well-used phrase, if you hate America so much, why don&#039;t you leave?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, now that everyone&#8217;s used to it and people have lost their jobs and restaurants and bars have gone out of business. NOW it&#8217;s okay.</p><p>To borrow a well-used phrase, if you hate America so much, why don&#8217;t you leave?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David</title><link>http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-66933</link> <dc:creator>David</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:52:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ioerror.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-66933</guid> <description>Don&#039;t you morons understand that if you make ALL public places non-smoking, that you&#039;re all on the same playing field?  People do NOT stop going to restaurants and bars because they cannot smoke!!  People do not go to bars and restaurants to SMOKE!!  You can walk down the street and smoke!  You can&#039;t walk down the street and drink, meet people, play pool, listen to music, socialize, enjoy a good meal...that&#039;s what going out is all about, and this moronic argument holds ZERO water.  Indy is NOT the first city in the US to make this decision!  Do you realize how many states, cities, and even the entire COUNTRY OF IRELAND is non-smoking?  Get with the program, Indy and boot the Mayor out if he wants to be a coward about this.  He&#039;s a decorated veteran, but he&#039;s being a coward.  Focus on people&#039;s health and quit worrying about a few people who will have to stand outside the bar to smoke. They are not the majority of voters...trust me, and people these days decide where to go based on whether it&#039;s smoking or not.  Make everyewhere NON-SMOKING, and they will choose based on the location...not about whether they are going to go home coughing and stinking of smoke.  I lived in Indy for 12 years, and now live in Phoenix.  I cannot tell you how nice it is to go out and not have to worry about smoke.  Arizone is smoke-free, and guess what...THE BARS AND RESTAURANTS ARE PACKED!!  California...New York...all smoke free, and the bars and restaurants are packed!  Focus on the health of your citizens and employees of these places, and quit worrying about people who want to pump smoke into their lungs.  That is THEIR choice...let them make that choice based on whether it&#039;s freezing cold and if they have to stand outside to smoke.  Maybe that will be the influence they need to quit.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you morons understand that if you make ALL public places non-smoking, that you&#8217;re all on the same playing field?  People do NOT stop going to restaurants and bars because they cannot smoke!!  People do not go to bars and restaurants to SMOKE!!  You can walk down the street and smoke!  You can&#8217;t walk down the street and drink, meet people, play pool, listen to music, socialize, enjoy a good meal&#8230;that&#8217;s what going out is all about, and this moronic argument holds ZERO water.  Indy is NOT the first city in the US to make this decision!  Do you realize how many states, cities, and even the entire COUNTRY OF IRELAND is non-smoking?  Get with the program, Indy and boot the Mayor out if he wants to be a coward about this.  He&#8217;s a decorated veteran, but he&#8217;s being a coward.  Focus on people&#8217;s health and quit worrying about a few people who will have to stand outside the bar to smoke. They are not the majority of voters&#8230;trust me, and people these days decide where to go based on whether it&#8217;s smoking or not.  Make everyewhere NON-SMOKING, and they will choose based on the location&#8230;not about whether they are going to go home coughing and stinking of smoke.  I lived in Indy for 12 years, and now live in Phoenix.  I cannot tell you how nice it is to go out and not have to worry about smoke.  Arizone is smoke-free, and guess what&#8230;THE BARS AND RESTAURANTS ARE PACKED!!  California&#8230;New York&#8230;all smoke free, and the bars and restaurants are packed!  Focus on the health of your citizens and employees of these places, and quit worrying about people who want to pump smoke into their lungs.  That is THEIR choice&#8230;let them make that choice based on whether it&#8217;s freezing cold and if they have to stand outside to smoke.  Maybe that will be the influence they need to quit.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Truth</title><link>http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-66712</link> <dc:creator>Truth</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:52:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ioerror.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-66712</guid> <description>&quot;We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Debbie</title><link>http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-59281</link> <dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:02:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ioerror.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-59281</guid> <description>I don&#039;t smoke and I play sports all the time !! I play volleyball, basketball, track, softball, and all the other sports you can think of....but my mom, grandma, aunts, uncles, and cousins smoke and there is not one thing wrong with me. I think people have the right to choose when and where they smoke and if non-smokers don&#039;t like it, they can easily get up and walk away. People need to keep their noses on their faces and leave everybody else alone...second hand smoke doesnt do anything at all, it&#039;s all in your head.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t smoke and I play sports all the time !! I play volleyball, basketball, track, softball, and all the other sports you can think of&#8230;.but my mom, grandma, aunts, uncles, and cousins smoke and there is not one thing wrong with me. I think people have the right to choose when and where they smoke and if non-smokers don&#8217;t like it, they can easily get up and walk away. People need to keep their noses on their faces and leave everybody else alone&#8230;second hand smoke doesnt do anything at all, it&#8217;s all in your head.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John Smith</title><link>http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-58674</link> <dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:57:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ioerror.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-58674</guid> <description>Denis u r so full of crap i have to put a stop to it. Wanna no something? secondhand smoke or ets doesnt kill anyone. and u confused there with their u stupid fuck. The surgeon generals studies on ets itself has provenb to be inconclusive. As well as pathetic. No evidence- scientifically answering any quesiton-0 can nbe found. Here is a longass quote from Dr. Guri&#039;s paper. I hope u like it u fricken moronETS comes from the dilution of sidestream smoke produced by smoldering cigarettes and from the small residues of mainstream smoke (MS) exhaled by active smokers. Generated and existing under much different conditions, these different smokes have some similarities but marked differences in chemical and physical composition and behaviour. All comprise a gas phase and small respirable suspended particles (RSP). These particles in turn, may contain at various times different amount of water and other volatile components that may exchange with the gas phase.
Mainstream smoke -- inhaled directly by smokers -- is concentrated and confined to the moist environment of mouth, throat, and lung. Its higher gas-phase concentrations favour larger respirable particles that condense and retain more water and volatiles. By contrast, ordinary ETS is over 100,000 times more diluted, with much lower humidity and extremely low concentrations of volatiles. Evaporation is faster from ETS particles which -- within fraction of seconds from their generation -- attain sizes 50 to 100 times smaller in mass and volume than their mainstream counterparts. As ETS ages, it undergoes oxidative and photochemical transformation, polymerization from loss of water and volatiles, reactions with other environmental components, differential absorption to environmental surfaces, and other changes (NAS,1986; USSG,1986; USEPA,1992c; Guerin et al., 1987; Baker and Proctor, 1990). The reducing capacity and free radicals of MS are lost within minutes (Schmeltz et al., 1977, Tanigawa et at.. 1994), and ETS is considerably less cytotoxic than inhaled MS (Sonnenfeld and Wilson,1987).
Of the several thousand components identified in mainstream smoke, only 100 or so have been detected in sidestream smoke under Field conditions, due to extreme dilutions. Because of even greater dilution, only about 20 ETS components have been identified directly under field conditions. In natural settings, most ETS components are below the sensitivity of current analytical capabilities (Guerin et al.,1987; Baker and Proctor.1990).
Compilers of ETS reports from the National Academy of Sciences (NAS, 1986), the U.S. Surgeon General (USSG, 1986), and the Environmental Protection Agency (USEPA, 1992c) have been forced to infer the presence of ETS components by proxy, based on the composition of the sidestream smoke from which ETS primarily derives.
Nominally, then, ETS and mainstream smoke may share some components, but their chemical and physical differences are substantial. Moreover, the presence of most ETS components can only be postulated because they are beyond material detection. Also, the chemical and biologic reactivity of ETS is less than that for the MS that active smokers inhale, because of the loss of free radicals, other quenching, and absorption losses during dilution and aging.
ESTIMATING ETS EXPOSURE
A major limitation of epidemiologic studies on ETS has been the unreliable estimates of the dose, which compound the uncertainties of personal or proxy recall of the intensity, frequency, and duration of exposures over individual lifetimes. Even the simple dichotomous classification of exposed and non-exposed subjects presents recognized uncertainties, such as those deriving from the self-classification of some smokers as nonsmokers or the propensity to exaggerate exposure estimates by publicity-sensitized patients (USEPA, 1992c; Lee, 1992, 1993). On comparatively more solid grounds, a range of probably momentary exposures to ETS can be inferred from physical and chemical derivations. These inferences are also insufficient to determine cumulative exposures, but raise compelling doubts about the reliability and meaning of epidemiologic estimates.
On the basis of extrapolations from sidestream and mainstream smoke data, the National Academy of Sciences calculated that for nicotine alone the difference in peak inhalation concentrations between smokers and ETS-exposed nonsmokers varies between 57,000- and 7,000,000 fold (NAS, 1986). Dose estimates based on body fluid concentrations of nicotine or cotinine yield higher values, but depend on environmental and pharmacokinetic assumptions of unlikely validity (USEPA, 1992c; USOSHA, 1994). They also depend on a set of equally dubious systematic assumptions as listed by the National Research Council: &quot; Current smoking patterns reflect past patterns. Cotinine or nicotine concentrations... are linearly correlated to recent exposures to ETS and to the carcinogens in ETS among non- smokers. All subjects in the various studies began to be exposed to ETS at the same time and have continued to be exposed at the same rate throughout the follow-up period....&quot; (NAS, 1986, p. 290).
Estimates of exposure to other ETS components are even more problematic because of the numerous sources external to ETS. For instance, plasma concentrations of volatile organics in nonsmokers appear to be as much as two-thirds of the corresponding levels in active smokers (Angerer et al., 1992; Brugnone et al, 1992; Perbellini et al., 1988) -- an indication of significant sources other than tobacco combustion (Ritcher et al., 1994; Ong et al., 1994).
By utilizing surrogate sidestream smoke values, conceivable ETS exposure has been compared with current federal standards of permissible occupational exposure to several smoke components. Considering an unventilated room of 100 m3 (3533 cubic feet), the number of cigarettes that would have to be burned before reaching official threshold limit values varies among 1170 for methylchloride to 13,300 for benzene to 222,000 for benzo(a) pyrene to 1,000,000 for toluene (Gori and Mantel, 1991).
As well as what is said uyp following, damn near all secondhand bullshit is disproven and was debunked a while ago. Go to the page Forces.org to look it up. It was made my NON-SMOKERS in an effort to suport free speech because stupidass laws are being made up. It shows facts even from the anti smoking campaigns that disprove nearly all of the information. READ IT U STUPID SON OF A BITCH AND LEARN SOMETHING SCXIENTIFICALLY ACCURATE FOR A CHANGE INSTEAD OF BEING ALLOWED TO BE FED AND HAVE UR FUCKING LIBRERTY AND FREEDOM TAKEN AWAY FROM STUPID FATASS NAZIS. And yes, Nazis were the first ones to implement anti smoking movements. Read this- axctually read this Dennis. And everyone else. Learn something, for most of us still live in the US, and we are STILL free to do whatever we damn well please as long as it doesnt hurt others. Learn something so you can stand up for the smokers and say the facts. Stand up for freedom pursuit of happiness and America.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denis u r so full of crap i have to put a stop to it. Wanna no something? secondhand smoke or ets doesnt kill anyone. and u confused there with their u stupid fuck. The surgeon generals studies on ets itself has provenb to be inconclusive. As well as pathetic. No evidence- scientifically answering any quesiton-0 can nbe found. Here is a longass quote from Dr. Guri&#8217;s paper. I hope u like it u fricken moron</p><p>ETS comes from the dilution of sidestream smoke produced by smoldering cigarettes and from the small residues of mainstream smoke (MS) exhaled by active smokers. Generated and existing under much different conditions, these different smokes have some similarities but marked differences in chemical and physical composition and behaviour. All comprise a gas phase and small respirable suspended particles (RSP). These particles in turn, may contain at various times different amount of water and other volatile components that may exchange with the gas phase.<br
/> Mainstream smoke &#8212; inhaled directly by smokers &#8212; is concentrated and confined to the moist environment of mouth, throat, and lung. Its higher gas-phase concentrations favour larger respirable particles that condense and retain more water and volatiles. By contrast, ordinary ETS is over 100,000 times more diluted, with much lower humidity and extremely low concentrations of volatiles. Evaporation is faster from ETS particles which &#8212; within fraction of seconds from their generation &#8212; attain sizes 50 to 100 times smaller in mass and volume than their mainstream counterparts. As ETS ages, it undergoes oxidative and photochemical transformation, polymerization from loss of water and volatiles, reactions with other environmental components, differential absorption to environmental surfaces, and other changes (NAS,1986; USSG,1986; USEPA,1992c; Guerin et al., 1987; Baker and Proctor, 1990). The reducing capacity and free radicals of MS are lost within minutes (Schmeltz et al., 1977, Tanigawa et at.. 1994), and ETS is considerably less cytotoxic than inhaled MS (Sonnenfeld and Wilson,1987).<br
/> Of the several thousand components identified in mainstream smoke, only 100 or so have been detected in sidestream smoke under Field conditions, due to extreme dilutions. Because of even greater dilution, only about 20 ETS components have been identified directly under field conditions. In natural settings, most ETS components are below the sensitivity of current analytical capabilities (Guerin et al.,1987; Baker and Proctor.1990).<br
/> Compilers of ETS reports from the National Academy of Sciences (NAS, 1986), the U.S. Surgeon General (USSG, 1986), and the Environmental Protection Agency (USEPA, 1992c) have been forced to infer the presence of ETS components by proxy, based on the composition of the sidestream smoke from which ETS primarily derives.<br
/> Nominally, then, ETS and mainstream smoke may share some components, but their chemical and physical differences are substantial. Moreover, the presence of most ETS components can only be postulated because they are beyond material detection. Also, the chemical and biologic reactivity of ETS is less than that for the MS that active smokers inhale, because of the loss of free radicals, other quenching, and absorption losses during dilution and aging.<br
/> ESTIMATING ETS EXPOSURE<br
/> A major limitation of epidemiologic studies on ETS has been the unreliable estimates of the dose, which compound the uncertainties of personal or proxy recall of the intensity, frequency, and duration of exposures over individual lifetimes. Even the simple dichotomous classification of exposed and non-exposed subjects presents recognized uncertainties, such as those deriving from the self-classification of some smokers as nonsmokers or the propensity to exaggerate exposure estimates by publicity-sensitized patients (USEPA, 1992c; Lee, 1992, 1993). On comparatively more solid grounds, a range of probably momentary exposures to ETS can be inferred from physical and chemical derivations. These inferences are also insufficient to determine cumulative exposures, but raise compelling doubts about the reliability and meaning of epidemiologic estimates.<br
/> On the basis of extrapolations from sidestream and mainstream smoke data, the National Academy of Sciences calculated that for nicotine alone the difference in peak inhalation concentrations between smokers and ETS-exposed nonsmokers varies between 57,000- and 7,000,000 fold (NAS, 1986). Dose estimates based on body fluid concentrations of nicotine or cotinine yield higher values, but depend on environmental and pharmacokinetic assumptions of unlikely validity (USEPA, 1992c; USOSHA, 1994). They also depend on a set of equally dubious systematic assumptions as listed by the National Research Council: &#8221; Current smoking patterns reflect past patterns. Cotinine or nicotine concentrations&#8230; are linearly correlated to recent exposures to ETS and to the carcinogens in ETS among non- smokers. All subjects in the various studies began to be exposed to ETS at the same time and have continued to be exposed at the same rate throughout the follow-up period&#8230;.&#8221; (NAS, 1986, p. 290).<br
/> Estimates of exposure to other ETS components are even more problematic because of the numerous sources external to ETS. For instance, plasma concentrations of volatile organics in nonsmokers appear to be as much as two-thirds of the corresponding levels in active smokers (Angerer et al., 1992; Brugnone et al, 1992; Perbellini et al., 1988) &#8212; an indication of significant sources other than tobacco combustion (Ritcher et al., 1994; Ong et al., 1994).<br
/> By utilizing surrogate sidestream smoke values, conceivable ETS exposure has been compared with current federal standards of permissible occupational exposure to several smoke components. Considering an unventilated room of 100 m3 (3533 cubic feet), the number of cigarettes that would have to be burned before reaching official threshold limit values varies among 1170 for methylchloride to 13,300 for benzene to 222,000 for benzo(a) pyrene to 1,000,000 for toluene (Gori and Mantel, 1991).<br
/> As well as what is said uyp following, damn near all secondhand bullshit is disproven and was debunked a while ago. Go to the page Forces.org to look it up. It was made my NON-SMOKERS in an effort to suport free speech because stupidass laws are being made up. It shows facts even from the anti smoking campaigns that disprove nearly all of the information. READ IT U STUPID SON OF A BITCH AND LEARN SOMETHING SCXIENTIFICALLY ACCURATE FOR A CHANGE INSTEAD OF BEING ALLOWED TO BE FED AND HAVE UR FUCKING LIBRERTY AND FREEDOM TAKEN AWAY FROM STUPID FATASS NAZIS. And yes, Nazis were the first ones to implement anti smoking movements. Read this- axctually read this Dennis. And everyone else. Learn something, for most of us still live in the US, and we are STILL free to do whatever we damn well please as long as it doesnt hurt others. Learn something so you can stand up for the smokers and say the facts. Stand up for freedom pursuit of happiness and America.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-58673</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:56:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ioerror.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-58673</guid> <description>Denis u r so full of crap i have to put a stop to it. Wanna no something? secondhand smoke or ets doesnt kill anyone. and u confused there with their u stupid fuck. The surgeon generals studies on ets itself has provenb to be inconclusive. As well as pathetic. No evidence- scientifically answering any quesiton-0 can nbe found. Here is a longass quote from Dr. Guri&#039;s paper. I hope u like it u fricken moronETS comes from the dilution of sidestream smoke produced by smoldering cigarettes and from the small residues of mainstream smoke (MS) exhaled by active smokers. Generated and existing under much different conditions, these different smokes have some similarities but marked differences in chemical and physical composition and behaviour. All comprise a gas phase and small respirable suspended particles (RSP). These particles in turn, may contain at various times different amount of water and other volatile components that may exchange with the gas phase.
Mainstream smoke -- inhaled directly by smokers -- is concentrated and confined to the moist environment of mouth, throat, and lung. Its higher gas-phase concentrations favour larger respirable particles that condense and retain more water and volatiles. By contrast, ordinary ETS is over 100,000 times more diluted, with much lower humidity and extremely low concentrations of volatiles. Evaporation is faster from ETS particles which -- within fraction of seconds from their generation -- attain sizes 50 to 100 times smaller in mass and volume than their mainstream counterparts. As ETS ages, it undergoes oxidative and photochemical transformation, polymerization from loss of water and volatiles, reactions with other environmental components, differential absorption to environmental surfaces, and other changes (NAS,1986; USSG,1986; USEPA,1992c; Guerin et al., 1987; Baker and Proctor, 1990). The reducing capacity and free radicals of MS are lost within minutes (Schmeltz et al., 1977, Tanigawa et at.. 1994), and ETS is considerably less cytotoxic than inhaled MS (Sonnenfeld and Wilson,1987).
Of the several thousand components identified in mainstream smoke, only 100 or so have been detected in sidestream smoke under Field conditions, due to extreme dilutions. Because of even greater dilution, only about 20 ETS components have been identified directly under field conditions. In natural settings, most ETS components are below the sensitivity of current analytical capabilities (Guerin et al.,1987; Baker and Proctor.1990).
Compilers of ETS reports from the National Academy of Sciences (NAS, 1986), the U.S. Surgeon General (USSG, 1986), and the Environmental Protection Agency (USEPA, 1992c) have been forced to infer the presence of ETS components by proxy, based on the composition of the sidestream smoke from which ETS primarily derives.
Nominally, then, ETS and mainstream smoke may share some components, but their chemical and physical differences are substantial. Moreover, the presence of most ETS components can only be postulated because they are beyond material detection. Also, the chemical and biologic reactivity of ETS is less than that for the MS that active smokers inhale, because of the loss of free radicals, other quenching, and absorption losses during dilution and aging.
ESTIMATING ETS EXPOSURE
A major limitation of epidemiologic studies on ETS has been the unreliable estimates of the dose, which compound the uncertainties of personal or proxy recall of the intensity, frequency, and duration of exposures over individual lifetimes. Even the simple dichotomous classification of exposed and non-exposed subjects presents recognized uncertainties, such as those deriving from the self-classification of some smokers as nonsmokers or the propensity to exaggerate exposure estimates by publicity-sensitized patients (USEPA, 1992c; Lee, 1992, 1993). On comparatively more solid grounds, a range of probably momentary exposures to ETS can be inferred from physical and chemical derivations. These inferences are also insufficient to determine cumulative exposures, but raise compelling doubts about the reliability and meaning of epidemiologic estimates.
On the basis of extrapolations from sidestream and mainstream smoke data, the National Academy of Sciences calculated that for nicotine alone the difference in peak inhalation concentrations between smokers and ETS-exposed nonsmokers varies between 57,000- and 7,000,000 fold (NAS, 1986). Dose estimates based on body fluid concentrations of nicotine or cotinine yield higher values, but depend on environmental and pharmacokinetic assumptions of unlikely validity (USEPA, 1992c; USOSHA, 1994). They also depend on a set of equally dubious systematic assumptions as listed by the National Research Council: &quot; Current smoking patterns reflect past patterns. Cotinine or nicotine concentrations... are linearly correlated to recent exposures to ETS and to the carcinogens in ETS among non- smokers. All subjects in the various studies began to be exposed to ETS at the same time and have continued to be exposed at the same rate throughout the follow-up period....&quot; (NAS, 1986, p. 290).
Estimates of exposure to other ETS components are even more problematic because of the numerous sources external to ETS. For instance, plasma concentrations of volatile organics in nonsmokers appear to be as much as two-thirds of the corresponding levels in active smokers (Angerer et al., 1992; Brugnone et al, 1992; Perbellini et al., 1988) -- an indication of significant sources other than tobacco combustion (Ritcher et al., 1994; Ong et al., 1994).
By utilizing surrogate sidestream smoke values, conceivable ETS exposure has been compared with current federal standards of permissible occupational exposure to several smoke components. Considering an unventilated room of 100 m3 (3533 cubic feet), the number of cigarettes that would have to be burned before reaching official threshold limit values varies among 1170 for methylchloride to 13,300 for benzene to 222,000 for benzo(a) pyrene to 1,000,000 for toluene (Gori and Mantel, 1991).
As well as what is said uyp following, damn near all secondhand bullshit is disproven and was debunked a while ago. Go to the page Forces.org to look it up. It was made my NON-SMOKERS in an effort to suport free speech because stupidass laws are being made up. It shows facts even from the anti smoking campaigns that disprove nearly all of the information. READ IT U STUPID SON OF A BITCH AND LEARN SOMETHING SCXIENTIFICALLY ACCURATE FOR A CHANGE INSTEAD OF BEING ALLOWED TO BE FED AND HAVE UR FUCKING LIBRERTY AND FREEDOM TAKEN AWAY FROM STUPID FATASS NAZIS. And yes, Nazis were the first ones to implement anti smoking movements. Read this- axctually read this Dennis. And everyone else. Learn something, for most of us still live in the US, and we are STILL free to do whatever we damn well please as long as it doesnt hurt others. Learn something so you can stand up for the smokers and say the facts. Stand up for freedom pursuit of happiness and America.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denis u r so full of crap i have to put a stop to it. Wanna no something? secondhand smoke or ets doesnt kill anyone. and u confused there with their u stupid fuck. The surgeon generals studies on ets itself has provenb to be inconclusive. As well as pathetic. No evidence- scientifically answering any quesiton-0 can nbe found. Here is a longass quote from Dr. Guri&#8217;s paper. I hope u like it u fricken moron</p><p>ETS comes from the dilution of sidestream smoke produced by smoldering cigarettes and from the small residues of mainstream smoke (MS) exhaled by active smokers. Generated and existing under much different conditions, these different smokes have some similarities but marked differences in chemical and physical composition and behaviour. All comprise a gas phase and small respirable suspended particles (RSP). These particles in turn, may contain at various times different amount of water and other volatile components that may exchange with the gas phase.<br
/> Mainstream smoke &#8212; inhaled directly by smokers &#8212; is concentrated and confined to the moist environment of mouth, throat, and lung. Its higher gas-phase concentrations favour larger respirable particles that condense and retain more water and volatiles. By contrast, ordinary ETS is over 100,000 times more diluted, with much lower humidity and extremely low concentrations of volatiles. Evaporation is faster from ETS particles which &#8212; within fraction of seconds from their generation &#8212; attain sizes 50 to 100 times smaller in mass and volume than their mainstream counterparts. As ETS ages, it undergoes oxidative and photochemical transformation, polymerization from loss of water and volatiles, reactions with other environmental components, differential absorption to environmental surfaces, and other changes (NAS,1986; USSG,1986; USEPA,1992c; Guerin et al., 1987; Baker and Proctor, 1990). The reducing capacity and free radicals of MS are lost within minutes (Schmeltz et al., 1977, Tanigawa et at.. 1994), and ETS is considerably less cytotoxic than inhaled MS (Sonnenfeld and Wilson,1987).<br
/> Of the several thousand components identified in mainstream smoke, only 100 or so have been detected in sidestream smoke under Field conditions, due to extreme dilutions. Because of even greater dilution, only about 20 ETS components have been identified directly under field conditions. In natural settings, most ETS components are below the sensitivity of current analytical capabilities (Guerin et al.,1987; Baker and Proctor.1990).<br
/> Compilers of ETS reports from the National Academy of Sciences (NAS, 1986), the U.S. Surgeon General (USSG, 1986), and the Environmental Protection Agency (USEPA, 1992c) have been forced to infer the presence of ETS components by proxy, based on the composition of the sidestream smoke from which ETS primarily derives.<br
/> Nominally, then, ETS and mainstream smoke may share some components, but their chemical and physical differences are substantial. Moreover, the presence of most ETS components can only be postulated because they are beyond material detection. Also, the chemical and biologic reactivity of ETS is less than that for the MS that active smokers inhale, because of the loss of free radicals, other quenching, and absorption losses during dilution and aging.<br
/> ESTIMATING ETS EXPOSURE<br
/> A major limitation of epidemiologic studies on ETS has been the unreliable estimates of the dose, which compound the uncertainties of personal or proxy recall of the intensity, frequency, and duration of exposures over individual lifetimes. Even the simple dichotomous classification of exposed and non-exposed subjects presents recognized uncertainties, such as those deriving from the self-classification of some smokers as nonsmokers or the propensity to exaggerate exposure estimates by publicity-sensitized patients (USEPA, 1992c; Lee, 1992, 1993). On comparatively more solid grounds, a range of probably momentary exposures to ETS can be inferred from physical and chemical derivations. These inferences are also insufficient to determine cumulative exposures, but raise compelling doubts about the reliability and meaning of epidemiologic estimates.<br
/> On the basis of extrapolations from sidestream and mainstream smoke data, the National Academy of Sciences calculated that for nicotine alone the difference in peak inhalation concentrations between smokers and ETS-exposed nonsmokers varies between 57,000- and 7,000,000 fold (NAS, 1986). Dose estimates based on body fluid concentrations of nicotine or cotinine yield higher values, but depend on environmental and pharmacokinetic assumptions of unlikely validity (USEPA, 1992c; USOSHA, 1994). They also depend on a set of equally dubious systematic assumptions as listed by the National Research Council: &#8221; Current smoking patterns reflect past patterns. Cotinine or nicotine concentrations&#8230; are linearly correlated to recent exposures to ETS and to the carcinogens in ETS among non- smokers. All subjects in the various studies began to be exposed to ETS at the same time and have continued to be exposed at the same rate throughout the follow-up period&#8230;.&#8221; (NAS, 1986, p. 290).<br
/> Estimates of exposure to other ETS components are even more problematic because of the numerous sources external to ETS. For instance, plasma concentrations of volatile organics in nonsmokers appear to be as much as two-thirds of the corresponding levels in active smokers (Angerer et al., 1992; Brugnone et al, 1992; Perbellini et al., 1988) &#8212; an indication of significant sources other than tobacco combustion (Ritcher et al., 1994; Ong et al., 1994).<br
/> By utilizing surrogate sidestream smoke values, conceivable ETS exposure has been compared with current federal standards of permissible occupational exposure to several smoke components. Considering an unventilated room of 100 m3 (3533 cubic feet), the number of cigarettes that would have to be burned before reaching official threshold limit values varies among 1170 for methylchloride to 13,300 for benzene to 222,000 for benzo(a) pyrene to 1,000,000 for toluene (Gori and Mantel, 1991).<br
/> As well as what is said uyp following, damn near all secondhand bullshit is disproven and was debunked a while ago. Go to the page Forces.org to look it up. It was made my NON-SMOKERS in an effort to suport free speech because stupidass laws are being made up. It shows facts even from the anti smoking campaigns that disprove nearly all of the information. READ IT U STUPID SON OF A BITCH AND LEARN SOMETHING SCXIENTIFICALLY ACCURATE FOR A CHANGE INSTEAD OF BEING ALLOWED TO BE FED AND HAVE UR FUCKING LIBRERTY AND FREEDOM TAKEN AWAY FROM STUPID FATASS NAZIS. And yes, Nazis were the first ones to implement anti smoking movements. Read this- axctually read this Dennis. And everyone else. Learn something, for most of us still live in the US, and we are STILL free to do whatever we damn well please as long as it doesnt hurt others. Learn something so you can stand up for the smokers and say the facts. Stand up for freedom pursuit of happiness and America.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Cigars Rule</title><link>http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-57122</link> <dc:creator>Cigars Rule</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:45:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ioerror.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-57122</guid> <description>the liberals love Fascist ideas such as smoking bans and gun control laws Adolph Hitler would be proud of todays DNC/Leftwing
remember the movie Demolition Man it sure spoke the truth about the DNC/Leftwing</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the liberals love Fascist ideas such as smoking bans and gun control laws Adolph Hitler would be proud of todays DNC/Leftwing<br
/> remember the movie Demolition Man it sure spoke the truth about the DNC/Leftwing</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John Clayton</title><link>http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-56645</link> <dc:creator>John Clayton</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:58:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ioerror.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-56645</guid> <description>First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.So-called &#039;progressives&#039;, (new-speak for socialists) Want to control everything. I have yet to see one person who agrees with this ban do these simple things:1. Show me proof, not by consensus, but by scientific fact that have been observed independantly by several researchers that anyone has suffered any ill-effects from second-hand cigarette smoke.   Now we have all heard the advocates for these laws quote so-called &#039;studies&#039; or &#039;independant studies&#039; show that ....  but there is no CLINICAL evidence.2. Explain why a person of legal age can not decide, with full-knowledge of the risk involved, where they want to work.  Crab fishermen work in a dangerous environment.  Automobile mechanics work with greasy cars and that is a carcinogen. People working in plastics factories work in environments that have high-levels of harmfull vapors.  But as long as the company does something to mitigate the vapors and vent them outside, that is allowed. I drive on the road all day fixing customers&#039; computers and inhale exhaust fumes.  It is a risk I take.  I could work in a different field.3. If non-smokers want to go to a smoke free environment, then why not start a business of your own that is smoke free?  If there were such a demand, trust me, they would be everywhere. If there is a demand for something, and in our capitalistic society you can make a profit doing it... it will be done.  So tell me, if you want a smoke-free place then why not allow business owners to choose one way or another?I live in Bardstown, KY. Afriend of mine opened a jazz club on 3rd street called Jazzy&#039;s.  It was smoke free. He had great food, live music that was awesome, but he&#039;s out of business now because, and he admits it, he did not want to work in a place where smoking was allowed, but he could not get the customers to come in. There weren&#039;t enough customers.  LET me repeat... he could not get enough customers to come into his non-smoking business.  Yet, around the corner at Talbot Tavern, that place allows smoking, has mediocre food, live music and has been in business since the 1800&#039;s.Prove that smokers cause health costs to go up.  Explain why a smoker has to pay higher premiums for life-insurance than non-smokers.  If your rates are lower, then how does a smoker&#039;s choice raise YOUR rates.  It seems it only raises their own. An insurance company manages risk.  They take the risk and you pay for it.  They make money doing it, also.  After a long period of time they know that a certain percentage of people go to hospitals for various reasons.  They do not know if they are smoking related or not, or even if the person going in for illness xxxx  even smokes.  I know because I used to work at Humana, a nationwide health insurance company based in Louisville, KY. Their actuarials do not consider smoking or not.  Do smokers go to the hospital more than non-smokers?  Again, no scientific data to support it.  I have been smoking for over 30 years and I rarely, if ever go to the doctor. Facts are, insurance companies do not consider the smoking issue in setting their premiums. And there is no scientific data to support the claim that smoking results in more vists to the hospital or more costly visits to the hospital.When I was a kid, they banned cycimates, a sugar substitute, because they said in large quantities it kills laboratory rats.  They banned freon 32 because they said it was destroying the ozone layer in the atmoshere.... no they say that they calculated wrong and have no proof what effect, IF ANY freon has on the ozone layer.  They banned DDT back in the &#039;60s because somone showed a study that it was making the eggshells of birds weaker and causing fewer births of wild birds.  Now it has been proven that it did no such thing and it has also been learned the researcher hid data that proves DDT was the problem because, &quot;she felt sure it was the cause&quot; and wanted to save face.  No people in 3rd-world countries are dieing of malaria because one of the most effective mosquito insecticides has been banned.  They also once thought the earth was flat.And as far as what is a right and what is a privilage goes... I have a right to do whatever I want whereever or whenever I want as long as it does not impose on the freedom of others.  It is called freedom.A privilage, on the otherhand, is something doled out by governemnts or controlled by governments and that is the real issue here.  Pretty soon if these socialists have their way everything will be a privilage.  The right to have more than one daughter, the right to believe in whatever religion you want and to practice it freely... etc.... Does China or the Soviet Union ring a bell?  Which is why I started my post the way I did.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First they came for the Jews<br
/> and I did not speak out<br
/> because I was not a Jew.<br
/> Then they came for the Communists<br
/> and I did not speak out<br
/> because I was not a Communist.<br
/> Then they came for the trade unionists<br
/> and I did not speak out<br
/> because I was not a trade unionist.<br
/> Then they came for me<br
/> and there was no one left<br
/> to speak out for me.</p><p>So-called &#8216;progressives&#8217;, (new-speak for socialists) Want to control everything. I have yet to see one person who agrees with this ban do these simple things:</p><p>1. Show me proof, not by consensus, but by scientific fact that have been observed independantly by several researchers that anyone has suffered any ill-effects from second-hand cigarette smoke.   Now we have all heard the advocates for these laws quote so-called &#8217;studies&#8217; or &#8216;independant studies&#8217; show that &#8230;.  but there is no CLINICAL evidence.</p><p>2. Explain why a person of legal age can not decide, with full-knowledge of the risk involved, where they want to work.  Crab fishermen work in a dangerous environment.  Automobile mechanics work with greasy cars and that is a carcinogen. People working in plastics factories work in environments that have high-levels of harmfull vapors.  But as long as the company does something to mitigate the vapors and vent them outside, that is allowed. I drive on the road all day fixing customers&#8217; computers and inhale exhaust fumes.  It is a risk I take.  I could work in a different field.</p><p>3. If non-smokers want to go to a smoke free environment, then why not start a business of your own that is smoke free?  If there were such a demand, trust me, they would be everywhere. If there is a demand for something, and in our capitalistic society you can make a profit doing it&#8230; it will be done.  So tell me, if you want a smoke-free place then why not allow business owners to choose one way or another?</p><p>I live in Bardstown, KY. Afriend of mine opened a jazz club on 3rd street called Jazzy&#8217;s.  It was smoke free. He had great food, live music that was awesome, but he&#8217;s out of business now because, and he admits it, he did not want to work in a place where smoking was allowed, but he could not get the customers to come in. There weren&#8217;t enough customers.  LET me repeat&#8230; he could not get enough customers to come into his non-smoking business.  Yet, around the corner at Talbot Tavern, that place allows smoking, has mediocre food, live music and has been in business since the 1800&#8217;s.</p><p>Prove that smokers cause health costs to go up.  Explain why a smoker has to pay higher premiums for life-insurance than non-smokers.  If your rates are lower, then how does a smoker&#8217;s choice raise YOUR rates.  It seems it only raises their own. An insurance company manages risk.  They take the risk and you pay for it.  They make money doing it, also.  After a long period of time they know that a certain percentage of people go to hospitals for various reasons.  They do not know if they are smoking related or not, or even if the person going in for illness xxxx  even smokes.  I know because I used to work at Humana, a nationwide health insurance company based in Louisville, KY. Their actuarials do not consider smoking or not.  Do smokers go to the hospital more than non-smokers?  Again, no scientific data to support it.  I have been smoking for over 30 years and I rarely, if ever go to the doctor. Facts are, insurance companies do not consider the smoking issue in setting their premiums. And there is no scientific data to support the claim that smoking results in more vists to the hospital or more costly visits to the hospital.</p><p>When I was a kid, they banned cycimates, a sugar substitute, because they said in large quantities it kills laboratory rats.  They banned freon 32 because they said it was destroying the ozone layer in the atmoshere&#8230;. no they say that they calculated wrong and have no proof what effect, IF ANY freon has on the ozone layer.  They banned DDT back in the &#8217;60s because somone showed a study that it was making the eggshells of birds weaker and causing fewer births of wild birds.  Now it has been proven that it did no such thing and it has also been learned the researcher hid data that proves DDT was the problem because, &#8220;she felt sure it was the cause&#8221; and wanted to save face.  No people in 3rd-world countries are dieing of malaria because one of the most effective mosquito insecticides has been banned.  They also once thought the earth was flat.</p><p>And as far as what is a right and what is a privilage goes&#8230; I have a right to do whatever I want whereever or whenever I want as long as it does not impose on the freedom of others.  It is called freedom.</p><p>A privilage, on the otherhand, is something doled out by governemnts or controlled by governments and that is the real issue here.  Pretty soon if these socialists have their way everything will be a privilage.  The right to have more than one daughter, the right to believe in whatever religion you want and to practice it freely&#8230; etc&#8230;. Does China or the Soviet Union ring a bell?  Which is why I started my post the way I did.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dennis</title><link>http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-54419</link> <dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:47:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ioerror.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-54419</guid> <description>Well apparently I do not know how to post a link in xhtml.  Must be all the pot I smoked back in college.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well apparently I do not know how to post a link in xhtml.  Must be all the pot I smoked back in college.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dennis</title><link>http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-54417</link> <dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:07:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ioerror.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-54417</guid> <description>Here is the fact sheet mentioned above:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&amp;b=35422&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the fact sheet mentioned above:<br
/> <a
href="http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&amp;b=35422"></a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dennis</title><link>http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-54409</link> <dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:01:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ioerror.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-54409</guid> <description>No scientific data about the bad effects of secondhand smoke...That&#039;s halarious!  What liberal is feeding you that BS?  Of course smokers are going to mention there is no effect, just like pot smokers will say pot doesn&#039;t make you lazy and stupid.  There are hundreds of scientific journals proving the harmful effects of secondhand smoke.  Your smoking rights stop when you harm the innocent around you.  Thats exactly why cocain, herion, meth and others are illegal.  It causes adverse effects not just to the person consuming that crap but to the people who are around you.  Smoking should not only be banned from public places but should be made illegal as well.  Here is a secondhand smoke fact sheet:There are many of these out thier.  Stop kidding yourselves and quit smoking for the good of yourself and the world.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No scientific data about the bad effects of secondhand smoke&#8230;That&#8217;s halarious!  What liberal is feeding you that BS?  Of course smokers are going to mention there is no effect, just like pot smokers will say pot doesn&#8217;t make you lazy and stupid.  There are hundreds of scientific journals proving the harmful effects of secondhand smoke.  Your smoking rights stop when you harm the innocent around you.  Thats exactly why cocain, herion, meth and others are illegal.  It causes adverse effects not just to the person consuming that crap but to the people who are around you.  Smoking should not only be banned from public places but should be made illegal as well.  Here is a secondhand smoke fact sheet:</p><p>There are many of these out thier.  Stop kidding yourselves and quit smoking for the good of yourself and the world.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bill Heath</title><link>http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-53857</link> <dc:creator>Bill Heath</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 03:59:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ioerror.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-53857</guid> <description>I am astounded that the anti-smoking-choice forces, who have truth on their side, don&#039;t use it. The truth is that there is a measurable increased lifetime risk of certain diseases from exposure to second hand smoke. The numbers are incredibly low - the increased lifetime risk of lung cancer for a non-smoker married for a lifetime to a smoker is 0.4%, for example. The increased lifetime risk of any form of cancer for someone exposed not more than eight hours a day to second hand smoke is about the same as the increased lifetime risk from taking statins to control cholesterol.The increased lifetime risk of permanent hearing damage from 60 minutes exposure to sound above 85 decibels - well below the sound level of the averaqge rock concert or dance club - is 80%. When I point this out to the anti-smokiing-choice activists, they say that people have a choice about whether they wish to go into these places or not. Strange how that does not apply to places that allow smoking.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am astounded that the anti-smoking-choice forces, who have truth on their side, don&#8217;t use it. The truth is that there is a measurable increased lifetime risk of certain diseases from exposure to second hand smoke. The numbers are incredibly low &#8211; the increased lifetime risk of lung cancer for a non-smoker married for a lifetime to a smoker is 0.4%, for example. The increased lifetime risk of any form of cancer for someone exposed not more than eight hours a day to second hand smoke is about the same as the increased lifetime risk from taking statins to control cholesterol.</p><p>The increased lifetime risk of permanent hearing damage from 60 minutes exposure to sound above 85 decibels &#8211; well below the sound level of the averaqge rock concert or dance club &#8211; is 80%. When I point this out to the anti-smokiing-choice activists, they say that people have a choice about whether they wish to go into these places or not. Strange how that does not apply to places that allow smoking.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mary</title><link>http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-51671</link> <dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 01:54:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ioerror.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-51671</guid> <description>Here&#039;s a little common sense for all of you. Smokers DO have rights because they are American citizens, just like drinkers, trans fat eaters, etc..Sure, smoking might kill you in 30 years if you are a smoker but, you could get killed by a drunk driver--tonight...and it is much more likely.Also, all of this second hand smoke stuff is hilarious. If anyone writing on this blog drives a car (and I&#039;m willing to bet that most do)you are putting more carcinogens and poison into our air than smokers could ever do. Example: Put a person in a closed garage with a car running and see how long they survive...45 minutes? Now, put a person in a closed garage with a smoker..and see how long it takes for that person to die of second hand smoke....:)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a little common sense for all of you. Smokers DO have rights because they are American citizens, just like drinkers, trans fat eaters, etc..</p><p>Sure, smoking might kill you in 30 years if you are a smoker but, you could get killed by a drunk driver&#8211;tonight&#8230;and it is much more likely.</p><p>Also, all of this second hand smoke stuff is hilarious. If anyone writing on this blog drives a car (and I&#8217;m willing to bet that most do)you are putting more carcinogens and poison into our air than smokers could ever do. Example: Put a person in a closed garage with a car running and see how long they survive&#8230;45 minutes? Now, put a person in a closed garage with a smoker..and see how long it takes for that person to die of second hand smoke&#8230;.:)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-51249</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:55:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ioerror.us/2006/01/03/smoking-ban-costs-indianapolis-businesses/#comment-51249</guid> <description>if you want to smoke and kill yourself in the process, feel free to go right ahead and do so. but at least give your coworkers or fellow patrons who choose not to make stupid choices (such as smoking)the right to breath clean and nonsmelly air. the smoking ban in indy is the best thing to happen here in a while, with the exception of the super bowl champs that is.
take your nasty cigs outside!!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you want to smoke and kill yourself in the process, feel free to go right ahead and do so. but at least give your coworkers or fellow patrons who choose not to make stupid choices (such as smoking)the right to breath clean and nonsmelly air. the smoking ban in indy is the best thing to happen here in a while, with the exception of the super bowl champs that is.<br
/> take your nasty cigs outside!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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