The Federal Air Marshal Service is hiring, and now you too can fulfill your lifelong dream of being an air marshal!
If only it were that simple.
Former air marshals tell of dismal morale in the service leading to them leaving, and indeed, morale is low all over the Department of Homeland Security. For instance, a Government Accountability Office report (PDF) showed that air marshals have few opportunities for career advancement, and the department has no plans to address the problem.
In addition, the 2004 TSA Organizational Assessment Survey showed morale to be as “dismal” as TSA head Kip Hawley admitted it was, perhaps even worse: 60% rate TSA as “below average” or “one of the worst” organizations compared to other organizations.
So the Federal Air Marshal Service needs people. Lots of people. Lots of people who don’t mind the same sort of mismanagement seen in TSA. So where is FAMS recruiting from? TSA screeners, of course!
Last week FAMS, now part of TSA, posted a job vacancy announcement specifically for TSA and FAMS employees only (if you are one, apply online).
In fairness (to whom?) the job is also open to the general public, as well. (Apply online.)
It seems that FAMS wants to get as many people as they possibly can into those positions as fast as they can. The two-phase training consists of seven weeks at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center at Artesia, N.M., to learn basic law enforcement skills, and for those who pass the first phase, seven more weeks at the William J. Hughes Technical Center near Atlantic City, N.J., to learn specific tactics relating to law enforcement aboard aircraft.
Many question, however, whether that training is sufficient for someone who doesn’t come from a law enforcement background.
According to one Las Vegas-based air marshal, “At this point TSA/FAMS is just looking for as many warm bodies as they can find to hurriedly fill in the hemorrhaging losses we are currently experiencing…The only FAMs that are going to be left are former screeners and admin personnel… with guns on planes…and zero former law enforcement experience.” — Project for Government Oversight
After federal air marshals shot a mentally disturbed man in Miami last month, critics say that the training air marshals receive must be improved.
In the meantime, if you can manage to stand the job, it’s open.
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Brandon Gauthreaux
Sep 03, 2006
do you know what is sad. I meet all of the requirements for the federal air marshal position, but I want apply because I am afraid that they will turn me down because my credit is not so good.
Brandon Gauthreaux
Sep 03, 2006
to any federal air marshals out there, please tell me if that would hurt me and who i can contact directly, to ask question about that before i apply for the federal air marshals program
A. Rodriguez
Sep 21, 2006
My situation is also the same. I have the qualifications and was
found eligible by Avue Digital service who handles all applicants for
FAMS, I also received a conditional offer via e-mail, but now i am
hesitant to fax in the remaining documents because my credit is banged
up. does any one out there have a # to an air marshal or an investigator
so i can ask ? about that before i continue, thanks.
SM
Sep 21, 2006
Just a little FYI. I don’t think you should let a little discrepancy in your credit report affect your wanting to apply with the Air Marshals. I do hope
that you do have prior law enforcement experience. I am a former FAMS
the training program is excellent, if, and only if, you come from prior
LEO background or military (combat). I think that it is important that
whomever is in the skies protecting us, needs to have some extensive
firearms training. Remember, on those cylinders there is no room for
error. I am not saying you cannot become an excellent aim, but ,
from experience believe that this job is geared more towards those
persons who have experience. Good luck in your quest to become a spy
in the sky.
S. Marshall
Oct 03, 2006
Hi. I am very intrested in more on the FAMS and application process. I meet all the requirements except my US citizenship. I am currently in the Army Reserves (Prior 5 years Active Duty out of Fort Hood, Texas) and currently going through the process for my citizenship. Can you send me information?
thanks.
PRU
Oct 06, 2006
The Air marshal app process is long, the gov’t takes its sweet time,if u r patient and willing to pay the ultimate sacrifice, it is a good career, they very good $$$. Do not trust the part for limited advancement, they need people to manage! You have nothing to lose.
waiting marshal
Nov 21, 2006
it definately takes its sweet time. I have been in the process since nov. 2005, adn just took my oral review board in sept. 2006. Still waiting to take medical/phy. test. The money sounds great, but this is not the job if you want a famuly lifestyle.
moreinfo
Nov 29, 2006
money is great? pay band G of the core comp does seem all that attractive. what other premium pays are available? overtime available?
leo ben khader
Dec 12, 2006
well im a family guy,but i love adventure and action ,i know that i have what it takes to be a sky spy ,like it`s said about air marshalls, but what i wonna know is the garantees that this agency offer to a guy with a backround like mine .cause im not a citizen yet ,but i do speak french/arabics with all differend dialogs/little italian/english ,and i also have a high education univercity level.so please someone advice .thanks
Daniel Knowles
Dec 21, 2006
Just have a quick question regarding the hiring process and what certain dings would hinder a person like myself to be actually picked up by the FAMS. I meet all standards and requirements, I do however have a DUI on my record that I received back in April, it is the lowest level DUI, at a level 5. I am prior Army, active for five years, along with an Associates in Criminal Justice. I was just curious as to if the DUI would keep me from getting on with the FAMS. Thanks.
cbaynton
Jan 26, 2007
I am interested in becoming an air marshal, i have 8 years in the USMC infantry and 19 years in law enforcement. I have extensive training in self defense amd extemsove weapons training. The problem is, is that I am 42 years old. Does my prior military get me any breaks on the age limit????
Anonymous
Feb 09, 2007
went through the whole proccess including my pt test. then i got an e-mail stating that they were done hiring for 2006. i talked to a friend of mine at the pittsburg field office and he said to re apply. they are hurting pretty bad in ny for guys. anyway credit should not be an issue i had bad credit and it dident stop me. i just re-applied and sent my fingerprint caeds back in. like i said i went through the whole proccess so if anyone has any questions just ask.
Chuck
Feb 12, 2007
Hello all. I applied back in August 2006 and received a conditional offer of employment soon after. I wasn’t contacted until February 10th 2007, in an email which said I had 14 days to select 1 of 7 cities, I chose New York. Does anyone know if this is typcial, good news or bad news… how long this process takes?
lamin sabally
Feb 13, 2007
MY NAME IS LAMIN SABALLY I AM A GAMBIAN OF 25 YEARS OLD.I WILL LIKE TO BEE A SOLDER IN THE UK ARMY.
S Maritz
Feb 13, 2007
Hi Chuck,
Some people get in quicker than others. You were hired within the normal time. You were very lucky to have a choice of 7 cities. When I went through you had two obvious choices. Good luck being a sky spy:)
deeg
Feb 13, 2007
Is there any particular way of answereing the KSA questions in order to maximize your chances? The application is pretty lengthy. Any help would be appreciated.
Colorado LEO
Feb 14, 2007
It is very interesting to see everyone’s comments. Hear is mine. I have been in the process now three years. First my application was lost by Avue. Then I went through the oral boards and did great. The director of the field office was impressed and stated, “You have a great chance of getting hired.†I went through the remainder of the process and Avue lost my medical. I had to retake it a second time. I was cleared and did the physical test, which I scored in the top percent of all categories for my age group. Again told by the FAMS I should have no problems. Took physiological no issues and was told all that was left was to wait. Several weeks go by and received a call by someone with FAMS asked to give another copy of college transcripts and drug history, which I don’t have, a drug history. Several days later get a blanket letter telling me I have been eliminated, not to take the physiological, medical or the physical test. No reason, no explanation. Talked to recruiter and Director who looked into application and they were also not given an answer. So to all that apply any problems known or unknown in your background say good bye to flying the skies…….
If anyone has away to call and get information regarding applications it would get to get that number…..
waiting 2
Feb 16, 2007
Chuck, I got the same email and I believe that it was a system update to ensure that the database refreshed itself and purge any inactive files. I have heard that they have a hold on all new hires until the new budget is approved. Does anyone have any info that differs. If anyone has info they can email me.
Anonymous
Feb 16, 2007
for anybody who went through the whole proccess like myself in 2006 you have to re-apply for 2007. I finished everything by oct2006 including my pt test. in dec i received an e-mail stating they were done hiring for 2006. I was told by a friend of mine who is a fam for the pittsburgh field office to re-apply. I did in jan of 07. I have my panel interview this week and if it is like last time will follow with the drug screen and psych test the same day. Its all about the time frame. if avue and everyone else drags there feet then you dont get in. and you have to start all over again. if anyone else was told they dident have to re-apply please let us know because i was told I had to
waiting 2
Feb 16, 2007
I started the process in oct 06 and I had my interview in jan 07. I didn’t get an email to reapply, just to update my application with avue in regards to the new field offices available. I took the drug screen the same day and they gave me a guide on the requirements for the PT and was told I would be contacted later as to the next step and told “it could take 6 mths to a yr to get hired”. Does anyone know how often they accutally hire and the rate of applicants to hires? Thanks for the help it lets me know I’m not the only one in limbo.
Anonymous
Feb 17, 2007
not sure of the rate of applicants to hires but i do know that when they set up there interviews they do it three a day. you should be in a perfect position since you had your interview so quick after applying. last year it took 4 months from application to my interview. this time it only took 1 month. i also was told that after avue gives you a “conditional offer of employment” your packet to that point is sent to the nearest field office for review. they then pick from those to see who they want to interview. which makes sense can you see them interviewing thousands of applicants? i cant. anyways once you get through your panel interview its up to you. thats when it gets tough because now you have to wait for avue to get your other information out to you and to contact the appropriate people for your physical, interview with the psych,etc. thats how i missed out last year just dident get everything in time. hope this year is better. good luck to all you guys hope you all get in.
Dave
Feb 18, 2007
What does the background consist of, is there a poly or a VSA that you have to do. Which federal law enforcement careers require a poly or voice stress annalysis
Dave
Feb 18, 2007
no poly they just check your complete background including credit.I think pretty much all the other federal jobs have a polygraph. Probably wont be long until the fams do to.
waiting 2
Feb 19, 2007
Does anyone know what the timeline is that Avue and FAMS shoot for to hire someone? It seems like its a hurry up and wait process. How much experience in LE do they look for if any? And if anyone has been turned down were they notified promptly or strung along (ref. comment 17)? Lastly, does anyone know if they hire a certain amount from each office or is it the top picks from around the country?
Anonymous
Feb 19, 2007
AS FAR AS LE EXPERIENCE NOT SURE I HAVE 7YRS AND I THINK MOST FAMS WOULD WANT TO WORK ALONG SIDE SOMEONE WHO HAS LE EXPERIENCE OVER SOMEONE WHO JUST GOES THROUGH A 14 WEEK COURSE. (jUST MY OPENION). lAST YEAR WHEN I DIDENT GET IN IT WAS 2 MONTHS FROM THE TIME I FINISHED TO WHEN I RECEIVED MY E-MAIL. AS FAR AS WHO THEY HIRE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT AFTER YOU FINISH YOUR PACKET IT IS TURNED OVER TO THE SUPERVISOR OR SAC AT A PARTICULAR FIELD OFFICE. THAT SUPERVISOR THEN SENDS IT TO THE MAIN HIRING DIRECTOR WITH THERE RECOMENDATION. THAT PERSON THEN LOOKS AT ALL THE APPLICANTS THAT GOT THAT FAR AND THEN PICKS OUT THE BEST FOR THE POSITIONS THAT ARE OPEN.THE MORE FIELD OFFICES YOU SAID YES TO THE BETTER YOUR CHANCE.AGAIN THIS IS WHAT I WAS TOLD I HAVE NO FACTS TO BACK THIS UP. BUT IT DID COME FROM A GOOD SOURCE.GOOD LUCK
famsblinko
Feb 20, 2007
Has anyone heard anything about when the hiring will begin again? Also, I have been in process so long that I am concerned that my PTA will become invalid. Do you know how long the PTA is valid for before it has to be redone? Also, are there only 30 vacancies to be filled or is it 30 per location? Has anyone else received phone calls requesting background statements?
coop
Feb 26, 2007
I JUST APPLIED MYSELF AND I HAD RECEIVED A CONDITIONAL OFFER JUST THE VERY NEXT DAY. I HAD TALKED TO A FAM IN NEW JERSEY AND HE TOLD ME THAT I HAVE A VERY EXCELLENT CHANCE OF GETTING ON, BECAUSE I AM A COP IN A MAJOR CITY FOR SEVERAL YEARS, PLUS I AM A MILITARY VETERAN. HE DID STATED THAT THERE WAS A HIRING FREEZE AS STATED ABOVE, FOR THE NEW BUDGET AND THAT THEY ARE IN THE WORKS OF HIRING SEVERAL HUNDRED BY THE SUMMER. SO, I THINK THAT THEY WILL BE SPEEDING UP THE PROCESS SOON. GOOD LUCK!
coop
Feb 26, 2007
I JUST APPLIED MYSELF AND I HAD RECEIVED A CONDITIONAL OFFER JUST THE VERY NEXT DAY. I HAD TALKED TO A FAM IN NEW JERSEY AND HE TOLD ME THAT I HAVE A VERY EXCELLENT CHANCE OF GETTING ON, BECAUSE I AM A COP IN A MAJOR CITY FOR SEVERAL YEARS, PLUS I AM A MILITARY VETERAN. HE DID STATED THAT THERE WAS A HIRING FREEZE AS STATED ABOVE, FOR THE NEW BUDGET AND THAT THEY ARE IN THE WORKS OF HIRING SEVERAL HUNDRED BY THE SUMMER. SO, I THINK THAT THEY WILL BE SPEEDING UP THE PROCESS SOON. GOOD LUCK! P.S. CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT THE PT TEST CONSIST OF? AND HOW IS IT GRADED??
Anonymous
Mar 04, 2007
to coop. the pt consists of pull ups push ups sit ups and a mile 1/2 run. there is no exact number you have to get but the better you do the better your chances.
jared
Mar 09, 2007
I applied in April of 2006 and just was asked to update work history. When does the hiring start.
Anonymous
Mar 15, 2007
Does anybody know what the next step is after your fingerprints are requested?
waiting 2
Mar 16, 2007
I got this off the FAMS site. Has anyone heard anything lately?
Federal Air Marshal Hiring Process
You are considering a position as a Federal Air Marshal. The following information will be helpful to you in deciding whether or not to continue with the application process.
The position of Federal Air Marshal requires a complete background investigation, including a credit check, a medical evaluation, a drug test, and a psychological evaluation. If you think that anything in your background would prevent you from qualifying at any step in this process, you may want to take advantage of the self-assessment that is provided at the beginning of the Background Investigation portion of the assessment.
If you have any medical condition that would prevent you from performing the duties of a rigorous law enforcement position, including maintaining a level of physical fitness, you may want to consider positions which do not require this level of fitness.
The assessment process has several stages, as depicted in the process “map” displayed at the end of this message.
Step 1. Complete an online job application, including the online background investigation and medical information. If you meet the basic qualification requirements, you will advance to the next step. If you do not meet the basic qualification requirements, you will be notified that you have not met the basic requirements and that your application will not be processed.
Step 2. As a qualifying candidate, you will be scheduled to report to the Federal Air Marshal Service Field Office nearest your residence to be interviewed by a panel of current Federal Air Marshals and managers in the FAM Service. If you pass the interview, you will advance to the next step. If you do not pass the interview, you will be notified that you have not passed, and that your application will not be processed.
Step 3. In conjunction with the interview, you will complete a battery of “pen and pencil” psychological tests, take a drug test, and undergo a physical examination. If you pass the psychological tests, the results of your test battery will be forwarded to a professional psychologist and you will be asked to make an appointment for a psychological interview. If you do not pass the written tests, you will be notified that you have not passed, and that your application will not be processed. You will not be notified in advance when the drug test is to occur. If you pass the drug test, you will advance to the next step in the process. If you do not pass the drug test, you will be notified that you have not passed, and that your application will not be processed. Physical examinations are provided through Federal Occupational Health. You may schedule your appointment at the clinic nearest your residence. You MUST take certain forms along with you — all of which can be downloaded and printed from by following the instructions embedded in the online application. You may also be required to take a Release of Medical Records Form and a Practical Exercise Performance Requirements form with you to the physician’s office. The purpose of medical screening is to ensure you have and can maintain the medical certification of this position.
While the FAM Service pays for the examinations, it is your responsibility to schedule and keep the necessary appointments. You will be asked to let the Federal Air Marshal Service know when you have scheduled the necessary appointments. You may be reminded up to three times. After that you will be notified that your application has been removed from processing for failure to complete the medical requirements.
Step 4. Once you have completed the interview and medical requirements, your documentation is forwarded to a hiring panel for review. The hiring panel recommends candidates to a Selection Officer who will make selections. If you are a selectee, you will be notified of your selection and Entry on Duty date. If you are not selected, you will be notified that you have not been selected.
Anonymous
Mar 18, 2007
Thank You for your reply. It would be nice to know were we stand in the process. Waiting as well…
dsjjj
Mar 20, 2007
My application has come alive again in the past 2 weeks. I had completed the online app, interview, drug test, MMPI test battery and medical screening and passed all, but got frozen with everyone else around the end of FY06. In the past 2 weeks I’ve been finally cleared through all medical issues, and have been asked to schedule my psych. I am hoping/thinking this means I have a real chance to get into this summer’s academy. I know after the psych I will have to do the PT test, which no one ever had me do. I just hope I don’t have to schlep from NY to DC to run 1.5 miles and go back on my dime. Hope they do it locally.
Matt
Mar 21, 2007
Are there any current air marshals that could describe the the job. I’ve been reading online and everything seems 50/50, some say the job isnt good some say it is.
For instance, what does the typical work week look like for an air marshal? whats the dress code now? time off? etc.
Cody
Mar 21, 2007
Hi, I am a senior in College and looking around for jobs, this job does interest me but I have no prior military experience or any experience in the cj field. What are my chances at being accepted into the FAM program after graduation?
rhnhfj
Mar 21, 2007
Cody: I tried the same thing back when I graduated college in 2001. I applied right after 9/11. Your chances are not great, in my opinion. I don’t recommend not trying of course, since it can’t hurt to try. But I applied with my only real asset being a number of languages, and I was immediately found uncompetitive. They really want combat, law enforcement, intelligence and/or general military experience. Crisis management experience is a huge plus.
John
Mar 22, 2007
Hey Guys. Just found this page and it seems very helpful. I applied for the FAM program this past August and was scheduled for a panel interview about a month later. Following the interview, they said I would be scheduled for a medical test then a PT test. It has been months now and have neard back nothing at all from anyone. Are other people experiencing this? Or is there anyone I can contact that can give me a status on an application?
PR
Mar 23, 2007
Hi All,
I served in the USAF for 18 months and recieved an early out with honorable discharge. No combat experience but a stellar record while I was in the service. Since then I’ve been working in the Financial world for 3 years…but I’m wanting to get in where the action is. Also spent 15 years plus abroad in China and other places…Any idea what chance I have of getting in?
wayne
Mar 24, 2007
HELLO ALL
I JUST FOUND THIS SITE AND FOUND IT TO BE INTERESTING. I JUST BEGAN THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THE FAMS DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ADVISE FOR THE AVUE PROCESS. DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW GO A CHANCE A GUYS GOT WITHOUT HAVING A DEGREE. I DO HAVE 8YRS. LAW ENF. AND ALMOST 10 YEARS IN THE ARMY RESERVE AS AN MP AND DRILL SERGEANT.
heather
Mar 28, 2007
To coop:
When you received the conditional offer of employment the e-mail should have contained a Pre-training guide that told you about preparing to be a FAM. It has the guidelines and scores for each age group for the PT test.
waiting 2
Mar 29, 2007
I have to second dsjjj. My application has energized again too. I understand that FAMS is gearing backup the hiring process. Any one else back in the swing and if so what it looking like.
chris
Mar 29, 2007
TO: WAYNE
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU STAND A GOOD CHANCE AND I DON’T THINK IT IS A MUST YOU HAVE A DEGREE.
GOOD LUCK ON BEING A SKY SPY
Anonymous
Mar 29, 2007
I agree with the last post. I am going through the process and don’t have a degree, I do on the other hand have a bunch of military experience. Keep on going with the process.
GW
Mar 30, 2007
They are hiring in July. That is the latest news from a G-13 in D.C. who is a buddy of mine I worked with a few years back. The mental health recert went to everyone with a conditional offer over the past 1.5 years so that is no big deal. If you do not have a degree your screwed unless you have combat experience which is a very good thing. They do not want to teach a person how to shoot, they just want to tweak them a bit. The next academy is pretty much full. You are ranked from 1 to whatever amount of positions they have funding for. Your best chance is to complete the process and replace one of the 100 before they make offers which will probably be in July. As we all know, DEA,FBI,NCIS all canceled there academies this year do to the war in Iraq using up all of there funding, so there is still no real hiring date by buddy said but they are shooting for July. Basically, if they want you, the process will be short, if they dont, they will string you along. If you know someone in FAM, use them as a reference which will flag your application. The good old boy game works well in the federal arena. I am aware of alot of people pulling out of the process due to the wait so by all means, complete the application process and you may replace a pull out.
wayne
Apr 02, 2007
TO:GW FROM:WAYNE
Thanks for the input and I hope that I get on.I do have several contacts with the FAMS Which I’m going to use as references. I hope it helps.
GW
Apr 03, 2007
It will
wayne
Apr 05, 2007
Hey:GW
I was wondering have you been through the panel interview yet and if you have what kind of questions they asked you.
s.maritz
Apr 06, 2007
The questions usually pertain to your ksa questions, what you can bring to the FAMS and your position in your present environment, job, life ect. The FAMS process can be lengthy, but if you stick it out it is very rewarding. I know, I went through the whole process, was hired, went away to training and learned from the best out there. FAMS is not a waste of time, if you have patience wait it out and go with the flow. This comes from someone with no military or law enforcemt experience, just a lot of education and a determine to become one of the best and serve my country in a different way. E-mail me if you want and I will try to help you however I can. Good luck at your spy in the sky quest.
FT
Apr 10, 2007
To s.maritz or anyone who might know?
I have been reading all the posts that people have put up and have lots of questions. I was wondering because you are already a FAM if you could answer a few questions. 1)I am only 22, but I have a few years of college, a police certification and am a full-time firefighter/EMT, in your experiences from the people you know, will that do anything for me or are is the govt looking for people that are older and have more experience? 2) What is the lifestyle like and is it better that I am young and have no family to worry about yet because the job has you traveling a lot? Any info that anyone has would be great. Thanks
GH
Apr 10, 2007
FT…1. apply and all your questions will be answered. Disregard speculation and apply. In other words, grow a pair, apply, and all those questions will directly answer themselves. Simple. 2. I hate to say it, but what an incoherent and equally stupid question. I hope this info has helped.
Anonymous
Apr 10, 2007
FT…. You seem to be a very knowledgeable person. Other than the generic type of interview questions. Do you have any insight on what questions are asked at the first panel interview?
Anonymous
Apr 10, 2007
Correction……. Above question is for GH not FT.
GH
Apr 11, 2007
Be able to talk about and explain your KSA’s and you’ll be fine. Nothing tricky.
FT
Apr 11, 2007
To GH:
Thanks for the help on question 1 and you were right,2 was a foolish question after I read it again. What I wanted to know is if the schedule was really as bad as what they are saying.Or is it just media reports and specultaion about marshalls being so rundown that they are getting sick?
RW
Apr 11, 2007
Does anyone know how much your credit affects your chances?
X FAM
Apr 11, 2007
To all of those considering becoming a FAM. DON’T DO IT! The job absolutely stinks, no matter the $$. The organization is built for failure, and the opportunities that they speak of are non-existant. I know of what I speak, and I hope you take heed of this advise.
Getting a Fed job is tough, no doubt. As such, I would suggest to you that your efforts will be better spent by pursuing one of the big Fed LE entities (FBI, DEA, ATFE, SS, etc.). The FAMS is no place to either start, or finish up a LE career. The place is a revolving door, and they simply cannot keep the good people that come through. as such, they have been forced to allow those of “lesser skill/experience” become supervisors. This will result in the organization remaining a mess. It is also filled with Secret Service retirees in the management ranks, none of whom have ever done the job of the FAM. They don’t care if you like it or you don’t , and they will work you into the ground. Remember, this is a LEAP job, and you will work way more than 50 hrs per week. Just imagine yourself living in hotels 4 nights a week, away from home, working 80 plus hours for no overtime pay, and then taking a heap of crap at the field office on your training day. It’s a miserable existence, and that is why nearly all of the talented operators/investigators have moved on to other LE jobs. Bottom line, it’s not worth it. And that, my fellow LEO’s is the straight scoop on this agency.
Anonymous
Apr 11, 2007
X FAM: Very strong opinions. Do you think the problems you experienced are getting better or worse?
Anonymous
Apr 11, 2007
Hello, I found this there is alot of people going through the process and they have a lot of information. You will have to search for the FAMS portion. Good luck to you all. I have droped the process, maybe my position will open for you.
Anonymous
Apr 11, 2007
I posted a web adress on the last post but it was taken out. Sorry there was a lot of info for you all.
waiting 2
Apr 11, 2007
Do you mind posting the email again or send it to me at . Thanks for the info.
Another Anonymous
Apr 12, 2007
I’ve been waiting since Aug. 2005. I think I have everyone beat on here. But anyway, I had finally got the interview for the position one year later and the process seemed to move every 2 months. I have finally completed everything as of Jan. 2007 and now waiting. Pretty much what the PT instructer told me is that if you made it to the PT test, then you pretty much have the spot. Just have to wait for the budget to kick in.
wayne
Apr 12, 2007
TO:X FAM WHAT FIELD OFFICE WERE YOU OUT OF OR IS THE WORD THE SAME AT EVERY OFFICE.
GH
Apr 12, 2007
To FT and all: I think X FAM gives an accurate assessement of the true nature of this job. I’ve recently returned to my local PD because of several of the things he has mentioned. In my experience, management certainly does not give 2 cents about your well-being. The job is like one continuous marine corps deployment–except the boredom never ends and the internal politics is such to where it’s simply not worth it. In all fairness, the money is good; but at what price is certainly a question that needs to be considered. For some, no amount of advice will suffice…so best of luck for those applicants who get the job.
Tom
Apr 13, 2007
Can anyone give me an update re whether they are flexible with the waiver to age 40, or are they sticking hard to the age 37 requirement. TSA has a waiver to 40, but I don’t know if that is very easy to get – maybe only used for the “special” people. I’m 38 and dammit I want in! Can someone give me some feedback?
Billy J.
Apr 13, 2007
Tom,
Unfortunantly, unless you have prior FLE, their is absolutely no 37 age waiver for the FAMS or any other FLE position for that matter, period[.] In other words, First-time appointees to positions covered under law enforcement officer retirement provisions (which includes FAMS) must not have reached their 37th birthday at the time of appointment.
It’s a 6(c) position, so you must be able to retire by the mandatory retirement age of 57.
Anonymous
Apr 16, 2007
Anybody with helpful information regarding the first oral board interview please share your experiences. Any tips or advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Some Dude
Apr 17, 2007
Billy J is incorrect.
There has been age waivers granted in the past. Currently, the USBP has an age waiver. The position is NOT a 6(c) position, but a 12(d) position.
TLZ
Apr 17, 2007
I would surely like to apply for a job like this, but the thing is with me is that I was terminated from a job back in 2005 which was drug related. Weed was the drug, but my side of it all was I ended up with this drug in my system from air contact and not by me smoking it. I went to a club with some friends and smelled nothing but weed aroma in the air. I didn’t leave the club because I was having a good time and I did not know that weed can get into your system by smelling it. So I explained the situation, as far as what had happened, to someone within the work company at that time, but was told there was nothing I could do. I’m a military veteran with 8 years of service plus combat skills. I was released from the Army in 2003, and from the Air National Guard in 2006. Both end of service Honorable Discharges. This is the first time something like this has ever happened to me. I’m crushed because if I think about applying for anything now, which I know that background checks will be done, that this incident will be used against me, in which I think is not fair. I will not apply for this job if mostly everyone thinks that my application process would be a waist. And yes that is my question. Does anyone think that I would be waisting my time if I apply for this FED AIR Marshall job? Please, every one that wants to reply to this question, e-mail me at tzziggy@yahoo.com. It depends on how many do think and how many don’t think replys I receive that will cause me to make up my mind if I want to apply or not. FAM employed or X FAM, please feel free to reply also. Thank you to you all that took time to read my statement. Thanx Again!
s.maritz
Apr 17, 2007
The oral board interview is a piece of cake, unless that is, you don’t do well with a panel. The questions are directly from your KSA answers, at least mine were, and usually the interviewers are really laid back, but serious. Don’t get wired out about it. Just relax and answer the questions the best you can. Just remember how you answered your ksa questions and go with the flow. It’s just about how you answer the questions verbally instead of being written. Good luck future spy:)
JD
Apr 17, 2007
I have a question, does anyone know the PT requirements for a FAM? I recently got out the military, but I had leg surgery so I am not sure if that will hinder me a lot. Is the training going to be like basic training where you wake up and do PT? Any advice would be appeciated, thanks.
Anonymous
Apr 17, 2007
Thank you s.martiz! Your generous advice is appreciated.
s.maritz
Apr 18, 2007
The PT is a piece of cake. The pt requirements consist of push ups, sit ups, pull ups and you are required to run 1.5 miles as fast as possible. Everything else is timed as well. You have have a particular amount you have to do for each exercise depending on your age range, each set within, I believe, it’s one minute, with exception to the run. I was in with a guy who did it in 7 minutes flat, but don’t try that, just do your best.
Anonymous
Apr 20, 2007
If you are not done with the hiring process by now,you will not make this class in July after the beginning of the fiscal year when the new budget is approved and will be put in with the next class if there is one so for people considering applying for this job, now is way to late for this class. I hear they have two scheduled including the class in july though so maybe you can fill a slot for the next class. I also hear there going to get a budget cut so the next class may be way down the road. There are a couple hundred slots at best and thousands of applicants. Kind of sucks. JUST MAKE SURE, WHEN YOU TURN FORMS ETC. IN TO AVUE, MAKE SURE THEY RECIEVED IT! ALL IT TAKES IS ONE TURD TO LOSE YOUR PAPERWORK AND YOU NOT KNOW TO SET YOU BACK A LONG WAYS.
Mr. Ex
Apr 21, 2007
Who sits on the Panel interviews?
Questions are from KSA’s someone said, so there is not a situational question on the interview.. tell me of a sitaution type of thing?
What are the PT standards?
s.maritz
Apr 21, 2007
It varies I suppose. Sometimes senior FAMS, ASAC’S and in some instances the SAC him/herself do. The standards for the pt vary by age. Each age bracket has a set amount of exercises to meet. I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but there aren’t extreme. I am a female and I kept up with the pack……
KSA’s …hmmm….W
s.maritz
Apr 21, 2007
It varies I suppose. Sometimes senior FAMS, ASAC’S and in some instances the SAC him/herself do. The standards for the pt vary by age. Each age bracket has a set amount of exercises to meet. I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but there aren’t extreme. I am a female and I kept up with the pack……
KSA’s …hmmm….When you first fill out your application you answer situational questions…meaning situations you have been in and how you handle those particular events. They could be meaningless situations such as working with employees who were stealing from the company and what you did to rectify the situation, how you handled it, whose attention you brought it to. My examples were more serious and related to September 11. I was directly involved so my situation was more detailed, was probably a good example because it related to a very high intense situation and what I did and how I handle myself and those around me. They can be very simple examples. Don’t stress over them. It really is cool. I am glad I had the chance to go through the interview process and meet those great individuals who did the interviewing. The FAMS is a very complicated and tiring position, but if you have no family(wife, child, dog, cat) It will be good for you. It takes a toll on quality of family life and the hours can be long, but to know that I may possibly be involved in the immediate protection of our country was worth being a FAM. Good luck:)
D. Rich
Apr 25, 2007
All of these comments are very interesting.
I interviewed with the FAMS in Atlanta roughly four months ago and was amazed at how “off the wall” the questions were. Nonetheless, immediately thereafter I was informed by one of the interviewers that I had passed the panel interview. From my experience, S. Maritz tells it like it is. In general, the questions I was asked required me to come up with examples of how my past experiences, both from work and in school, related to how I have dealt with people, types of projects I’ve worked on both independently and with others, roadblocks that I’ve encountered, and what I did to rectify these issues.
At this point, I recently submitted my mental health certification form to Avue, and had to recertify my background information. Apparently, I still have to go through a medical evaluation and a PT test. Avue told me that FAMS has not conducted any medical evals for a quite sometime, and that they will be starting up again soon.
Does anyone know what the current status is with respect to the medical evals? Does it sound like I will be up for the next class in July or am I not far enough along in the hiring process to be considered for a class in July?
During the interview with the FAMS, I asked about possibly joining the JTTF or intel at some point. I was told that this was a lateral move and it could be made after being a FAM for a few years. Is this true? I appreciate everyones comments and best of luck to everyone.
waiting 2
Apr 25, 2007
D.Rich,
I interviewed in atl in jan. and reading your post I thought I had wrote it in my sleep b/c its exactly the same.
AVUE told me the same thing about the medical and PT. I still dont know if the MHC counts as the psych.
I’ve read on several other forums that in the past the FAMS have rushed people through in weeks with the final tests before the next class.
Who was your recruiter that you spoke with? Mine was a 20/30’s female. I don’t know if ATL has many recruiters but she wasn’t able to answer many questions. She just kept saying that Avue handles everything till you are finished with the testing(6mths-1yr).
Here are a couple of links that talk about the FAMS hiring daily, and their may be some FAMS that can answer some questions. (be warned that the forum memebers can go on and on about nothing sometimes)
Anonymous
Apr 25, 2007
I had an interview recently as well. I thought the interview went very well, but the interviewers did not tell me one way or another. D. Rich – Did they inform you the day of the interview or did you receive confirmation at a later date? Anybody with helpful hints regarding my position in the process, please share. Thank you.
waiting 2
Apr 25, 2007
D. Rich,
Your post was as if I wrote it myself. I interviewed in Atl. back in Jan. and have had the same accounts with FAMS and Avue.
I dont know if the MHC is a replacement for the psych, but I haven’t had a medical or PT either.
I have read on other forums that in the past FAMS can rush the process to test people in only a few weeks.
To the previous poster,
I think if you take the drug screen right after the interview that means you passed the interview. I had this happen to me and thats what I have read from several others.
Anonymous
Apr 25, 2007
waiting 2 – Thanks for the info. I did take the drug screen after the interview.
Anonymous
Apr 25, 2007
Does anypne know of any other talk forum sites related to FAMS?
waiting 2
Apr 25, 2007
I tried to post some earlier but the site kicked them back thats why it looks like posted twice. Lets try again. If this doesn’t work email me and I’ll forward them to anyon that wants them. (only if youcant see the below sites). 911jobforums, and forums.officer. c o m
Mr. Ex
Apr 26, 2007
What is the reality with the FAM Service Medicals and why they have not done any for a long time! They have apparently got caught with their hand in the cookie jar.
They must make a Bonafide Offer of Employment before they ask medical related questions, conduct a medical examination or require you to complete any documents that ask medical questions. As per the EEO Guidelines located at if you have been asked to complete documents, conduct a medical examination before a Bonafide Offer of Employment your rights may have been violated “CONTACT EEO”. Also, if they used a blanket medical policy to deny you by virtue of a medical examination the law requires you each to have an individualized assessment.
wayne
Apr 26, 2007
D.Rich
How long after you submitted your stuff to AVUE did you recieve your call to interview. You spoke of how off the wall the interview questions were. I was told that the questions were all formatted and close to the same. It appears that from several people that posted. D.RICH it appears you have your stuff together can you please list some of the question that you were asked so I have some idea what is goig to be asked. I was told that I interview was next month from an insider.. THANKS
Ryan
Apr 27, 2007
s.maritz- What is your education background? I am no “true” law enforcmement experience, although I did complete a local city police academy successfully a few years ago and had to leave during field training due to a family situation. I have a Bachelor’s Degree and I’m wondering what kind of shot I have with the FAMs. I received firearm training at the academy and can shoot, so that won’t be an issue.
Mr. Ex
Apr 27, 2007
What appears to be the reality is the FAM Service hires who they want when they want and how they want! I know people hired without even interviewing others failed parts of Artesia and Phase II and still got a badge and a gun! Don’t try it unless you got a friend
I beleive both are right and it depends on the panel how off the wal the questions are. Some panels probably stick to certain sets of questions whilst others go off into their own world! A lot of research is out there about interviews!
I would too be interested in hearing exactly what questions have been asked!
As it fascinates me how most of the managment are inexperienced and/or untrained interviewers but yet they still score people, when most of them received jobs from what appears to be a Secret Service Golden Hand Shake!Surely their interviews are not best practice!
With all that siad one persons chance is as good as the next to get into the FAM Service, for goodness sakes they advertised internally so screeners could apply.
s.maritz
Apr 28, 2007
Ryan – My degree is in criminology, one in criminal justice, minors in pyschology and sociology and I carry 4 languages – not proficient, but they are under my belt. Good luck
Dizzy
Apr 28, 2007
There is so much information on this page, but where is all the information coming from? Are some active FAMS agents answering questions we post? How do you know when the next academy will begin? With LEO & military experience, and bilingual what are my chances? Oh, and female/minority, too.
Mr. Ex
Apr 28, 2007
Dizzy,
If you are a ‘Veteran’ hopefully you claimed your 5 or 10 point veteran prefrence with the SF 15. This should get you to the top of the list depending if they how you are rated. People get confused tas the supreme court decesion did not impact the FAM Service just the screeners.
Normally you have to get into the highly qualified band to get in the door.. one would suggest that if you have bot LEO and Military experience and answered your KSA’s accordingly you will get there.
Well women and minority make no diffrence per se as the service hasn’t traditionally discrimnated against any population. Saying that it may not be more harm than good to be a woman and minority … you can read the GAO report at They do hire some and maybe more now that the deficeny has been highlighted.
Others ask where does the information come from well from those that have been and those that are there! One reccomendation I will make to anyone who gets in get your proffessional indemity insurance and join the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association, as this is your proffessional organisation to lobby on your behalf since you can not belong to a union just yet! Even before you go off to training….
Look the service has good and bad and you will have to paint your own pitcure, as thinks will change once we get a goverment in the white house that looks after their employees, I hope. Go to and and search the term Federal Air Marshal in the Federal Case Sections, use the same term and google it and look at some of the news out there.
Mr. Ex
Apr 28, 2007
It failed to post the link to GAO Report GAO Report to Congressional requestors, GAO-04-242, which is located at if this link doesnt stay it is but you need to add the www at the front.
Another good report is the House Judicary report located on their website at
These gives someone a little insight to the agency itself!
Dizzy
Apr 29, 2007
Thanks Mr. Ex I always keep a positive attitude so I am hoping for the best! Some say that they can expedite your process if they want you. If that is the case, how fast can you get in? Just curious. Can you give more about your background with FAMS? :)
Mr. Ex
Apr 29, 2007
Dizzy,
I beleive they do what they want for who they want, (Is a big part of the complaints) if they want you in and trained they can send you to an investigators course in GA, as they did for some if they can not get you into Artesia! Therfore adding some validity to your statement.
I have been around the FAMS not long after 9/11. I could tell you how they stood up the service using Ft Dix, NJ than switched to ACY and now do recruiting out of field offices. I know FAMS and/or civilan employees in every field office and at the services various other locations whom I speak with regulary, as well as FAMs who left for various reasons, and none of them are liars when they tell their stories.
Although, I am aware managment patrol these sites so need to watch my 6. I will answer any and all questions to the best of my ability or search for the response needed from various sources on other forums.
My advice is go in with an open mind and form an opinion but think the decesion over to leave a job for this one. If I would have to say in my opinion and views based on my experiences and others is management and the their structure is the problem! I’d reduce the number of those above I band in the service and shift more mangment responsibility to TSA/DHS to put together a centralised command and control system for the various agencies and reduce the dictatorship within the FAMS who seem to operate in a vacum.
This is the number one complaint mismanagment I hear, not that people do not like and enjoy the job!
Dizzy
Apr 29, 2007
Thanks, X, for being as honest as you can and prompt with the response. I really do appreciate it. I am in Orlando, FL. But I am willing to move anywhere. I really have not heard many bad things or complaints except the long hours, time away from home and maybe the boreness of the flights themselves. Like I mentioned previosly, I keep a positive and open mind and look forward to the challenge is I am someone they think will be a good fit to the team. Which, is of course, what I hope for. Your Da’ Bomb! So, question… are you a FAM now? If not, where are you now? Police week in D.C. Will you be there?
Mr. Ex
Apr 29, 2007
I need to respectfully decline to answer all those questions. A friend of mine was one of the senior managers in Orlando but he was a target of the Secret service mangment as he was one of the original 33 FAMS at 9/11
Mr. Ex
Apr 30, 2007
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Vote for Manny Puri:
You can vote once a day and every day up to May 8th.
Jason
Apr 30, 2007
That AVU system is screwed up. I know I’m more than qualified but instantly get an “ineligable” email after two minutes of applying.
Dizzy
Apr 30, 2007
X-man,
Sorry you had to decline answering my questions. Wish we could talk more. But I do appreciate you giving me the information you did. I will just play the waiting game and go along for the ride until I get a Yes or No. If you can talk more I can give you my email. Just let me know. Do you know the statistics on how many men/woman, length of stay at agency, how they bbase starting pay, or anything like that?
Thanks again. Have a great day!
Dizzy
waiting
May 01, 2007
Starte this process mid Sept. 06. Recieved notice for interview within 2 weeks and then drug test 1 week later. Just got email schedule my medical this week. Anyone else heard news like this lately?
Mr. Ex
May 01, 2007
The GAO report I mentioned on April 28 has a lot of stats and other useful info look at that! Some information is SSI and can not be disclosed.
Length of stay varies, but they have a higher than reported turnover rate.. the deny it! Some people can and /or will tolerate more harsh treatment and BS than others! They also have a lot of OWC cases.
If they are conducting a medical assessment and you pass it you should have received an offer of employment by now also and it is reccomended that you find a local physican who is certfied by FAA and go to see if they will give you an Airmens II Physical! Forms on FAA gov or leftseat com website.
They use to request your current pay as part of the process and add ten percent but some recent hires reported they calculated it different with no method at all.
If you didn’t get in I’d want to know why! Oh do not worry they will claim they are not mandated to disclose this! they have told members of congress to get ……
waiting
May 02, 2007
X, I have not recieved an offer yet at this time. I still have to complete medical which is on friday. I have my forms already from Avue that I printed out. I only know of a few people who have been notified to finish medical process. I hope this is good news. Any feedback?
dizzy
May 02, 2007
Waiting- When did you fill out the first app and what have you completed so far? How long have you been processing, i guess is what I am asking? Did they send you notification to do the medical portion? Thanks for sharing! :)
Mr. Ex
May 02, 2007
Yeah, I would assume to comply with the law they have offered you a conditional offer of employment or thought they have. The law is very clear on the pre offer employment forms and medical questions that can be asked of an applicant.
If you do not get the position surely a Lawyer would love to hear from you!
wayne
May 02, 2007
waiting
What is you backgroud that is pretty rare to go through the process that fast. They must want you bad or you know somebody important.
waiting
May 02, 2007
Dizzy, I have been in the process since mid Sept. 2006 and have completed everything but medical and pta. I am scheduled for medical end of this week. Hope this helps.
waiting
May 02, 2007
wayne, I have BS in CJ and double minor. Current State LEO with 6 years exp.
Mr. Ex
May 02, 2007
Lets hope they call you all and get you into the pipe line and get you on board. Please make sure you read as much as you can on Aviation Medicine so your aware of the dangers and learn the tricks to look after yourself as much as possible.
about com has some good information and various other sites.
I often wonder how much money is wasted on trainers/staff at Artesia and ACY since it is obvious they are not doing a lot of training. Also, if you already did a decent Law Enforcement Training, Phase I & II should be not a big challenge for you.
Best of Luck to all!
waiting
May 02, 2007
X, thanks for the advice. Yea, I have over 30 weeks of academy experience so there shouldn’t be any surprises.
Dizzy
May 02, 2007
Thanks for answering Waiting. I thought the quick response from AVUE was a joke. But I guess not after reading a lot from this site and others. I have 10 years law enforcement experience. 4 1/2 of it is civilian and the rest sworn. I guess it will be a year or so before I get on if I continue on with the process. I have been reading a lot of information about FAMS and ICE and DHS. My eyes hurt! Hey, X-Man… While I am in DC, is ther eany special place I should visit regarding Air Marshals? Or do you have contacts I can meet with. Contact me at dasidbris@aol.com if you can. Well, I am out- for now! Gotta eat! SeeeYa
wayne
May 02, 2007
Waiting
I have just applied april 7th recieved coe april 7th and have 9 yrs sworn LE and almost 10 years military several deployments under my belt and in the process of finishing my degree. Thanks for the info
help me please
May 02, 2007
i have my interveiw next wendsday and was wondering if anyone could tell me any hints for getting favorable consideration and or just what to expect???
thank you
Dizzy
May 02, 2007
Waiting, sounds like you are in there like swimwear! I wish you the best. What made you look into FAMS in the first place? How much more do you have for your degree? I have 11 more classes.
Help Me Please, I would prepare with knowledge of the agency and definitely knowing your own qualifications so you could sell yourself. But I would be speaking blindly since I haven’t gotten that far. Good luck!
Mr. Ex
May 03, 2007
Well without revealing anything for places to see ……. go to police cheif magazine and search the term Air Marshal and you will find the members and their addresses. The managers their listed their locations not me. Although that is considered classfied as SSI all the field office and other strategic locations.
What City & State is everyone located in currently and do you have a prefrence of a duty assignment location?
I have plenty of contacts in DC, most of them are employed in the congress. Also, some with the FAMS but once again the disclosure of a Federal Air Marshals ID is not the best thing to do to people I never met.
Interview tips, know what you put on your application inside and out and be prepared for situational questions… think fast on your feet. Remember your job as an Air Marshal is to protect the cockpit at all cost to prevent another 9/11. Deadly force is important to understand when and where and how to use it!
Dizzy
May 03, 2007
X-Man-
I am in Orlando, FL. For duty assignment, I would love Boston or DC, and any Northeastern place, but I am pretty open minded about a move. No husband and kids to be concerned with. Is hte interview a panel of 5 or more, or is it a one on on? Do they grade by numbers or is it a pass fail? I have not been advised of an interview but I am sure others will ask.
Thanks again! :)
waiting
May 03, 2007
Dizzy, I completed my bachelor’s in CJ in 1996. I’ve looked at numerous Federal agencies that were hiring and I liked this one the best. Also, I am trying to work my way back to the NE where I am from and they just so happen to be hiring from that area with NY and DC.
Dizzy
May 03, 2007
Hey Waiting! Where are you from? I love the NE states although I am originally from the south, way south… PR! Ha! Anyway, I will be done with my bachelors in May next year. I wish you lots of luck. I have no idea what to expect next. Just hoping for the best. Where do you work in LE? City or state? Can you tell I am nosy? Have a great day.
Mr. Ex
May 03, 2007
Dizzy,
PR what a nice place! Do you speak Spanish? in the various dilects?
Panel interviews is the method to be used in Federal Govt to follow best practice to ensure interview validity.
What type of assignment are you on in FL? Thats also a nice field office.
If I had a choice out of the NY, DC or Boston it would be a hard choice but I would take DC or Boston, do not think I’d want NY but if you want the best managed office Boston is the place to go.
Dizzy
May 03, 2007
I absolutely LOVE the Boston area. Even though I have only visited a few times, I just feel like I belong there. That same feeling comes over me when I visit CT. It is just beautiful to me. And I really do think DC is awesome. 10 more days and I will be there. YEAH! I appreciate the info, for sure! I do speak Spanish. Not Castilian Spanish like people from Spain do. But Spanish like Puerto Ricans do. I am now working in transportation logistics for the county. Its what I did in the Army (88N). I left LE and did my own thing for a short while, but I am ready to get back. Chat later!
waiting
May 03, 2007
Dizzy (boricua), I also live in Florida currently working as a State LEO. I am originally from PA and can’t wait to get back into that area. Good luck with finishing up your degree. What’s it in? Where did you do you sworn police work? My turn to be nosy :) Later
Dizzy
May 04, 2007
Hmmm… if I tell you, I have to kill you! Just kidding. WPPD as sworn, OPD as civilian. Familiar? What state agency are you with? And yes, Boriqua. But I am a Proud American 1st, and don’t ever forget it! ;) PA, I have a lot of employees from PA. I need to check it out. I do love those Philly Flyers! Goodnight!
Mr. Ex
May 04, 2007
Keystone Cops from PA! LOL Oh Mammi Chula and Pappi Chulo aye! ha ha PA has a field office……..
I know a lot of PA State Police and various from sherriff and local PD’s.
You could live in PA/MD and Commute to the DC field Office as long as you reside in a 100 mile radius from your duty assignment!
Dizzy you get around by the sounds of it, hence travelling you should enjoy it as a FAM. The head of HR is Spanish I beleive Perez is the last name.
Dizzy
May 04, 2007
I love to travel, when I can. There are so many people out there to meet, so many places to see… it’s Great! During the missions, are you at one location for a long period of time or is it for too short of a time to check things out a bit or visit people? I am glad there is 100 mile radius policy. Can you imagine living in the real DC? Aggh. Well, it’s Friday!!! Have a great weekend! :)
waiting
May 04, 2007
Dizzy, I work for an agency that gets overlooked every by the legislature every year when it comes to raises. That should give it away. I guess that is my main reason for leaving. Wish I would have left along time ago. But, I’m here now and leaving on good terms with no regrets. The 100 mile rule rocks, however, I don’t know if I would like to drive that everyday to catch my flight, escpecially if there would be bad weather. Question for anyone that knows. How often do you drive to the airport each week? At least 3 I assume for days when you have overnights and then 1 for the field office for training.
waiting
May 06, 2007
This forum is dead. Where did everyone go? Latest I heard hiring will not be until Sept./Oct. Anyone hear this as well? X, are there any nice home areas relatively inexpensive around the DC or surrounding area?
Mr. Ex
May 07, 2007
Beleive only what you see! Inexpensive is a term not used often in the DC Area. The key is to remember what Airports you serve and how often to which ones to determine your living arrangements.
Also look at social demographics of an rea if you have family and the job market for the other person etc…., Sometimes cheaper isn’t always better.
People say 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue offers cheap living in DC!
Dizzy
May 07, 2007
September/October??? I did not hear that, but I have not heard anything about hiring dates, really, except from this site. I dont think I have a time frame I really need to work around. As long as I get in I will be happy. So, nothing inexpensive, huh? Grrreeat! Maybe that is more a consideration for me. Any single men looking for a chic to that can only be around one or two days a week? Haha! Thats about ALL of them, right? KIDDING! I have a question about training. Is it an academy , basic training setting, do you spend the night in barracks (paid for) or do you have to find a place to live while you are in training? Is everything provided? What do most FAMs carry? .45, .40? I heard that the first seven weeks is to get you acclimated to law enforcement. Is that true? Do you attend both academys (NM and NJ) if you have prior law enforcement experience? All the info I have read does nto really answer these questions. I appreciate the response. Oh, Happy Monday!
WASTE-O-MY-TIME
May 07, 2007
This is the most ponderous hiring process for a job that will not hire you that I have ever seen. Save the gas money.
Dizzy
May 07, 2007
“Waste of Your Time”…. What happened? It would be nice if you could fill us in on your bad experience in case we could use your information to help us decide whether or not to continue on in the process. It would be greatly appreciated. Did you also receive a conditional offer of employment and they still did not hire you? Please advise!!!!
waiting
May 07, 2007
This is the information that has been given to me. Academy is basic police training in a college type atmosphere. You will earn full salary while attending and depending on location will be a hotel type rooming. Meals I’m not sure about. Both academies are required (NM/NJ)unless you have attended a prior FLETC academy and are already a Federal LEO, then you skip phase I and go to Phase II. Dizzy, hope this helps.. Later Boricua
Mr. Ex
May 08, 2007
Dizzy,
it is not a strict academy but they do provide accommodation for you and a place to eat. Everyone except management attend NJ for Phase II TNG and all none Federal LEO attend NM for Phase I.
FLETC has a website that you can go that stands for Federal Law Enforcement Training Center. You will find information in regards to weapons under another program they manage called Armed security officer program and is posted on the TSA website.
This is a good second job for current Law Enforcement whom have an interest in FAMS to improve their selection chance.
Dizzy do you live in PA now? If so what county?
Dizzy
May 08, 2007
X-man & Waiting, I have searched FLETC’s site. I must have missed the weapons portion of it. Thanks, though. I will look again. I do not live in PA. Though I would not mind it. I live in FL. I appreciate the info on hotel/academy setting, too. That is definintely something you have to prepare for also. I still need to wait to go to the next step. In the meantime, your thoughts and comments are really appreciated. :)
John
May 08, 2007
Dizzy, in regards to weapons, I know that the standard weapon of the FAM is a Sig Sauer P229 in .357 Sig. I do not know if there are other options for people who are more comfortable with other models, but the P229 is what is trained with in the academy
Dizzy
May 08, 2007
John, Thanks a bunch! I have not used the Sig in .357 caliber. Only Sig P226 9mm, Glock ,45 and .40. I also have experience with a couple other handguns and the MP5, M16, & AR15. Would it be safe to assume they give you the option of other handguns for carry once you are through with the academy, in case you are more comfortable or are concerned with concealment (since I am a “petite” female!)?
waiting
May 08, 2007
Completed the medical process today. Let the waiting begin once again. Dizzy, you will most likely have to carry the standard issued weapon if it is in fact the Sig P229. I’ve shot this gun before in the 9mm with laser site. The gun is amazingly accurate and I like it better than my Glock 17 that I carry now for duty. I do agree with you though, it the gun is a little on the fat size when compared to other makes and models. This will definately make it harder to conceal for “petite” females.
Mr. Ex
May 08, 2007
I think you will find an alternative service weapon is not available. I think you will find you have the ability to conceal it without leaving a print.
Please use precaution when releasing specfic information about the service and equipment used(I do not want to see any applicants/canidates jepordize their chances) be general and if you know of a public place the information is available refer to that site or magazine, so you do not get placed on the hook. For example I once remember reading in a magazine and a female FAM indicated that they carry a Sig 229 .357 (this is a true statement) as it is very controversial in the service what can and can’t be reeleased as a current law suit is being conducted over the rating of SSI.
I will answer qustions at times and they may seem like riddles or beating around the bush, but CYA and your partners is something you should already be able to do.
Dizzy
May 08, 2007
Wow Waiting! I bet you are excited. I would be. Regarding the details of the job and equipment… message heard & appreciated. Its been a long day, so Buenas Noches, Hombres!
Also Waiting
May 09, 2007
You can go to wikipedia, a free online encyclopedia, and look up the federal air marshals. It has a bunch of info on training, and also talks about duty weapons used. It’s a good place to find out some cool information and history
waiting
May 09, 2007
Thanks for the information, good reading.
USAF
May 09, 2007
I just mailed off my fingerprints today after starting the application process two weeks ago. I have seen all your posts how long has this process been for you guys and do you have any tips on the rest of the process?
waiting
May 09, 2007
USAF, The process is just as long as you can imagine if not longer. There really are no tips other than just be patient and live like you never applied. There is no ryhme or reason and steps within the process seem to occur at random times for everyone. Good luck
s.maritz
May 10, 2007
This for for the females concerned about weapon size and concealment. I am very petite and had no problem with concealing the Sig. I thought when I first held her that she was big, don’t get me wrong, she is, but when you attend the academy and then phase II, you will learn and become comfortable with your place of concealment. It’s like getting dressed every morning, soon you won’t even know she’s there:)))
Mr. M.
May 11, 2007
I had my oral board interview this past March in, (took drug test on the same day), and am awaiting medical and pt test. Anyone know how long it should be before the next step?
Dizzy
May 11, 2007
Thanks for the info, Maritz. And Mr. M… I would help you out, but I have no info. Have a great day!
Mr. M
May 11, 2007
Assuming you passed the interview and drug test, the selection to the next step has no rhyme or reason and may happen in the coming days or may not happen until you drop off the eligability list!
People do not hang your hat on the FAMS as it is no sure thing, even if you complete all the steps…. they need money to send you to training and pay your salarys.
Mr. Ex
May 11, 2007
Sorry Post 145 was my post for Mr. M
Mr. M.
May 11, 2007
Thanks….I was informed right after my interview that I passed the oral board, I took the drug test, and two weeks ago I received an e-mail instructing me to re-certify my background. Nothing since….
Mr. Ex
May 11, 2007
Mr. M,
Well thats good news than…. For others sake can you explain the comment how you have received confirmation and right after was that before you walked out of the panel or did you go out and sit a few minutes etc.. This may help clarify some questions from an applicants point of view. Or should I say a canidate in your case, since the FAMS seem to indicate once you pass the interview and drug test you become a canidate for the position.
Also, can you clarify if you did the drug testing on or off site? As you indicated you did the drug test the same day.
Thanks,
Mr. Ex
Anonymous
May 12, 2007
Does anyone have the qualifications for the PT test?
Thanks, cc
waiting
May 13, 2007
Anonymous, here is a link for the pt test.
Mr. M.
May 14, 2007
Mr. Ex,
I was informed about 10 minutes after the interview that I’d passed, and I took the drug test on-site.
lewis
May 14, 2007
where do u apply for the federal airmarshall position , i cant seem to find the site
Mr. Ex
May 15, 2007
Okay from the hill, they have indicated that the DHS budget has plenty of money for the FAM Program to run 2-3 classes in 2008 based on some behind the scenes discussions, apparently this is what it would take to back fill about 1/2 of those that have left in the past 12-18 months.
Any training to be done in 2007 will most likely be last minute recruiting and off you go type of hiring as they are now looking at their spending for this year to find funds for a possible class late 2007.
Apparently the budget looks like it has short falls in 2007. Some claim this is the case within all of TSA and much of DHS, surprise surprise when you have supervisors/managers, making over $100,000 and only flying recreational trips.
Lets see you start out with either a G/H/I band base pay than get your locality pay and 25% LEAP, plus free meals and some room and board.
USAF
May 15, 2007
MR. EX,
I was wondering I have served 8 years in the military all of which I have been an MP. Five of the years I have been an investigator and tactical team member. I was wondering with my experience and BA in Criminal Justice will I qualify for H or I band?
waiting
May 15, 2007
Mr. X,
Any word if those 2008 classes will be for the year 2008 starting in January. Or, will they begin in the new fiscal year of 2008 beginning in October of 2007. There must have been alot of FAMS leave if 3 classes will only back fill 1/2. Thanks
Waiting Patiently
May 18, 2007
What kind of questions are on the pyc asses test? Is it like those retarded job test in which you answer a slew of questions to see if you qualify for that certain position or is it questions like “have you ever thought about killing your mother” “what do you see when you look at that tree” I would like to know cause i’m not good at the job assesment test and NO I have never thought about killing my mom and the tree could use trimming.
USAF
May 18, 2007
Waiting Patiently,
The kind of questions they ask on the psych test are pretty simple, they ask questions like; “does it bother when people don’t exercise their right to vote, when a person upsets you do you want to hit them”. They also ask these questions repeatedly to see if you vary your responses.
waiting
May 18, 2007
waiting patiently,
Last I heard there no longer is a psych test or interview. I believe the mental health certification form replaces that portion. This is what AVUE told me when I called.
wayne
May 19, 2007
waiting
How recently was this info I’m just curious to know.
Mr. Ex
May 19, 2007
I think if we look at true retention rates and what has been reported by TSA, they loose a lot of good people. I personally think this is a big part of their management style or lack of and a small part of a developing organization. A lot of cronyism and nepotism partook in putting the organization together from top down in 2002.
As far as training dates, didn’t ask for clarification at all, I just listened and than shared a few complaints I have with the service and the delay of things to be processed etc., as it is to hierarchical and not linear enough to be an effective organization. For something to get to TSA it goes into 7 levels of bureaucracy and than another few layers in the TSA to get to DHS.
The Psych testing and the whole assessment processed is so out of date it is ridiculous. Ones credentials, degrees, experience doesn’t get them into the service any faster and many times the assigning of Pay Bands are very arbitrary based on ones current salary. However, you should be placed in accordance with the KSA’s. EEOC have just had a big meeting about this in general and minutes can be reviewed on their website.
One may find military experience may be a disadvantage and frowned upon by much of management. Why you may ask, many of the senior management has 30+ years in the SS or other agency prior to coming to the service in 2002 to 2004. Think about what was happening than and just prior to that time in history. Although, those in management whom do have military experience done so in the Vietnam era, such as the Director, however he needs to figure out whom his real brothers are and stop supporting those he served with on Protection Details with and look after the real men and women who served their country like him.
waiting
May 19, 2007
wayne,
Just a few months back when I recieved my mental health form.
Mr 36
May 20, 2007
I have a rumor that federal law enforcement will raise their applicant age max to 40? Has anyone else heard this, or is this just wishfull thinking? Also, does anyone know how many classes are left in 2007? I am 36 and afraid my birthday will pass before I get a response from FAMS.
D. Rich
May 22, 2007
I was recently told that the FAMS is not actually hiring, which explains why everyone seems to be on hold. In fact, FAMS has not hired this fiscal year as of yet. With only five months left in this fiscal year, will they be hiring at all?
help me please
May 22, 2007
i just had my interview 2 weeks ago does anyone know how long until i hear something???
waiting
May 26, 2007
help me please
The process is different for each individual depending on your qualifications and background. It also seems to depend on what FO your processing through. There is no definate answer to when you will hear something. Some have been in the process for years and others only months. After your interview did you complete the drug test portion?
Mr. Ex
May 26, 2007
Waiting,
Unfortunately, you are correct the process is different for each individual. Than you add the complexity that each Field office appears to be doing their own thing as well. This is a bigger problem than one may think, as it surely is not best practice.
This creates a lot of biases and discriminatory practice, as it becomes less merit based and more like who do you know or how lucky are you scenario. MSPB has done numerous studies around this and it has been the topic of recent EEOC Commission Meetings. Furthermore, Federal Courts have made various rulings on this issue as well.
If you are not selected and have been to an interview and have not been told you pass or failed and made an offer of employment, before further medical testing or if you have been ask to complete medical forms (Besides Psychological) you have been a victim of unlawful discrimination.
I think you need to understand the interview is a selection tool, and many interviews will take place and many will ‘pass’ and only a few will be selected the top few, and if a veteran applies with preference technically they are the shoe in. Just because you are going through the motions it is no reason to get excited, it is a formality.
After 9/11 how many applied and went through the same formality? How many got hired? Oh that is SSI but I can tell you this it was less than half of those assessed, many waited and their eligibility on the list expired.
I am telling you this because I do not want you to get false hopes and put all your eggs in this one basket. Look at other agencies and apply for them if you want to become a FLEO.
newbie
May 30, 2007
Hey, new to the site. Very interesting comments. I applied to FAMS about 2 months ago and have an interview during the 1st week of June. Hopefully will have some good news. Anyone know how soon after you “passed” they schedule you for a PT test. I need to get my fat ass in shape!!
Mr. Ex
May 31, 2007
Meeting of May 16, 2007 – Employment Testing and Screening
Statement of Richard Tonowski, EEOC Office of General Counsel
TESTING AND EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY:
THREATS AND PROMISES
Good morning, Madam Chair, Commissioners, and distinguished panelists. My name is Richard Tonowski. I am Chief Psychologist in the Office of General Counsel, and I will provide you with a brief overview of some employment testing issues.
An employment test is any procedure used to make an employment decision. There are the familiar multiple choice tests of job knowledge or basic cognitive abilities such as doing arithmetic or understanding written instructions. There are also physical ability tests, which can be as simple as moving a box from here to there, or as sophisticated as measuring the strength of specific muscle groups. Beyond assessing strength and endurance is the issue of pre-employment medical inquiries for both current and potential conditions, both physical and psychological. Background checks are extensively used, and sometimes include examination of credit history. Finally, for the last 20 years, multiple choice personality and integrity tests have become increasingly popular. In all, employment testing is widespread and increasing.
A mature technology of testing promises readily-available methods that serve as a check against both traditional forms of discrimination as well as the workings of unconscious bias. If that is the promise, then the threat comes from institutionalizing technical problems not yet fully addressed, the undermining of equal employment opportunity under the guise of sound selection practice, and the unintended introduction of new problems that will require resolution to safeguard test-takers and test-users.
Since the Supreme Court’s landmark decisions in the 1970s, which Carol will reference, some notable things not fully envisioned have happened to testing.
Understanding of cognitive ability in jobs and the tests to measure it greatly increased. Statistical approaches to summarizing results across many separate studies to reach general conclusions became widely used. The limit to these generalizations remains a matter of contention.
How test scores are reported became hotly debated. Congress made unlawful test score adjustments based on protected class. Some psychologists proposed banded, rather than discrete, scores as a means of promoting both diversity and test utility. Opponents have objected on both technical and legal grounds.
The enactment of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) restricted medical exams and disability-related inquiries for applicants and employees. There remains the issue of differentiating proper tests of competencies from unlawful medical investigations.
Sometimes promise and threat arrive together. Personality testing has been hailed by some as a means for a more complete, and thus more valid, assessment of potential employees. It may reduce the adverse impact associated with cognitive ability testing used alone. But when does a legitimate inquiry into an applicant’s qualifications become an intrusive search for medical conditions? The Seventh Circuit held in Karraker v. Rent-A-Center, Inc. that the line is crossed when the personality assessment tool is an instrument such as the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI). 411 F.3d 831(7th Cir. 2005). The MMPI is widely used for clinical diagnosis and was originally normed on hospitalized psychiatric patients. However, researchers have combined its questions in new ways to measure a variety of traits, not all of them clinical. Some of its current 567 questions explore whether the individual sees things that others do not, has laughing or crying fits, or was compelled to do things under hypnosis. The Court of Appeals held that the MMPI by its nature was a medical examination violating the ADA. An earlier case (Soroka v. Dayton Hudson Inc.) that arose in California and was ultimately settled raised similar issues, as well as views of test usage at the individual item level that alarmed psychologists. This is but one instance where science and law intersect, and where the outcome has real consequences to employers and potential employees.
The EEOC sees a limited, but increasing, number of tests in the course of its investigations. By the nature of our work, we scrutinize evidence of the test’s worth with a critical eye. Sometimes we are gratified by the care given to both technical and EEO considerations. But there are times when superficial work and unsupported conclusions come from consultants who should know better. Today you will hear about some testing practices that should not have happened. This kind of work constitutes a threat to job applicants, employers, and all concerned with good selection practice.
On the plaintiff’s side, occasionally there are arguments, backed by a highly selective reading of the research literature, that whatever the employer did was unacceptable simply because the employer might have done something else. This also presents a threat to good selection practice.
But first — the legal bases from the Office of Legal Counsel.
Mr. Ex
May 31, 2007
TSA Spins Out of Control
and Says the Events on
Northwest?Flight 327 were
Not a Threat to the Passengers!
(There’s nothing to see here folks….. just move along)
Watch the Broadcast on Fox News….
ASK A FAM, PROBES ARE REAL maybe it isn’t if another 9/11 happens but when if they do not pull their finger out and get real and get hiring and get the sky secure because the reality is the airports are not as secure as they pretend.
Dizzy
May 31, 2007
Hey Newbie… Good luck onthe interview and yes, get in shape! I dont know anything about the time frame, but it seems they are processing you pretty quickly. It may be a “Hurry Up & Wait” thing. On the other hand you may have some of the skills they need and they may have you PT right away. I am sure Mr. Ex “X-Man” can answer better than I can. Where are you located and what are your skills if you do not mind me asking?
Another Anonymous
Jun 01, 2007
Got the call today from HR. The agent said I was finished with everything and he needs me to fax him back my college transcript. After that he is sending it to the hiring panel. Seems like they may be moving along. The agent was still unaware of the next incoming class.
newbie
Jun 01, 2007
I’m outside of Charlotte, NC. No military experience or LE. 4 yr. degree in CJ. Worked for the NCDOC for 3 yrs., and currently work for DJJDP.
Dizzy
Jun 01, 2007
Newbie…
NC, eh? I heard it is beautiful there. I have never met anyone from NC that was not military. What do you do for DJJ? The DOC nationwide has a huge hiring crisis dont they? They must have been sad to see you go. DJJ is also struggling. I think that is a clue. Your experience, though not in law enforcement or military, is very valuable. Corrections and Juvenile Justice is a critical part of the whole system. The strnegth of your desire to be with FAMS will bewhat matters. Good luck! Last step I did was send in my fingerprints. Patience is a virtue :)
Have a great weekend!
USAF
Jun 01, 2007
Dizzy,
When did you send your prints in? In I think I remember a post saying that you were from PA. I am originally from Philly, and my wife is from Allentown. It’s funny our name is Dizzy I call my wife that because here nickname is Izzy for Isabel. “Buena Suerte” for your process through FAMS.
What part of PR are you in, my wifes family is in Caguas.
Mr. Ex
Jun 01, 2007
Remember people a new fiscal year is coming and if money can be found they will most likely put a class together at the last minute, not uncommon.
People have been given a week or two notice, so if you really want the job, you better be prepared in short notice to go. This is a big part of being a FAM change of direction in short notice.
They have enough applicants and will have enough people far enough along in the screening process to push you to the side and move on if you stutter at saying okay. I have an email out to a friend at FLETC to see what the wind is saying and if the train is coming.
If you submitted your paper work etc., and have not heard anything back you may want to follow up with them via a fax or express envelope with a nice letter, summarising what you have done so far and you just wanted to follow up. This shows a sincere interest and do not be to obtuse in the matter.
USAF do yourself a favor, do not share to much personal info here.
Newbie, have you served on any special teams whilst employed in either DOC or DJJ?
Dizzie your right two distinct jobs within CJ that are interconnected to FAMS, Both require great observation skills and to respond quickly to crisis and to restrain the individual until help arrives a lot of time in close quarters and there is more of them than you..
Hopefully everyone is following the recent reports and releases on Flight 327.
Dizzy
Jun 03, 2007
Go Caguas! All that I have read about Flight 327 seem to be a little on the negative side when it comes to the reputation of the govt, feds or fams. But nothing deters me from going for what I want. Of course, I know things are edited the way the editor wants you to read or see. X-man, have you heard anything from your contacts at FLETC about any up coming training?
j
Jun 04, 2007
Mr. Ex:
Thanks for all your helpful info.
I have a question: if someone interviewed recently and was sent immediately thereafter for a drug test, would the next step then be a call/email for a PT test, followed by the medical and psych components? What else, if anything, is involved in the application process after the interview and drug test?
Thanks in advance.
j
newbie
Jun 04, 2007
I agree, DOC nationwide is struggling. The pay is not up to par with what you have to deal with day in and day out and hoping you will walk through the door at the end of the day. I work as a JPO right now. When I was with DOC, I was on the PERT Team. That was fun!! Wish me luck, interview tomorrow!!
dnehack
Jun 05, 2007
J,
If you passed the interview and had the drug test after the interview. The next step would be for medical to call you to set up for you medical exam. After you have passed your medical exam and the entire packet has reached FAMS medical and they clear that you have passed everything, the FO will call you to set up your PTA. Hope this helps.
Dwight
Dizzy
Jun 05, 2007
Newbie- How did it go? I am sure you did just fine! :)
newbie
Jun 05, 2007
Well, had the interview and then was told that they didn’t have the results yet! Sooo, the guy that does the drug screens showed up, but supposedly he was having some difficulties and couldn’t do any drug screens. So I was told to keep in touch with the recruitor and AVUE. Why does the federal hiring agencies string along applicants?? Then they wonder why they have problems filling positions or shortages in certain agencies. And then on the other hand, they want to hire 5000 people. Bunch of BS!!!!
newbie
Jun 05, 2007
UPDATE: Well just received an email from AVUE…. Sorry to inform you, but more qualified applicants are being considered… Well at least I don’t have to wait for 12 f***ing months to find that out! Oh well, don’t know what I did wrong, guess they want peopel with LE backgrounds. F**K em’!!! Good luck to the rest of you.
unknown
Jun 05, 2007
J
I interviewed today. I was asked to do my drug test first and then told to go to a room and wait. I was then asked to go to a different room were the panel was at did panel for approx. 45 mins then told to go and sit back in the same room I went first. I was then told to go speak with the SAC 25 mins. and was then given a briefing by recruiter about the next process. physical exam then would be contacted for pt test.
unknown
Jun 05, 2007
newbie were did you interview at
Dizzy
Jun 05, 2007
newbie- man, so sorry to hear. although you may be a bit discouraged for the moment, i am sure you started the whole process for a reason, right? you may snap into a positive viewpoint again tomorrow and realize you just need to go to a different agency or something. i think you have a lot to offer so dont just forget LE all together. how was the panel interview in general? what do you think you lack? what do you feel you have to offer? you may be right abou tthem wanting experience in LE and if that is an option for you, go get some. we are all still very young and unless you refuse to make changes in your life, there will always be jobs available that you can apply to after several years on the road. if you dont end up falling in love with being in the road in the first place. i wish you the best in whatever you decide. :)
Mr 36
Jun 06, 2007
Mr. Ex,
You posted that a person who has been waiting a while should submit a letter expressing continued interest. Do you suggest sendind such a letter to the Virginia FAMS address or AVUE?
unknown
Jun 06, 2007
mr36
I was told by sac that you should see activity alittle prior to Oct 1 for new fical year budget. If you happen to be a ranked highly quailfied. I would hope that is reliable info.
j
Jun 06, 2007
unknown,
Here it was interview first (45 min or so), a 5 or 10 min. wait back in the lobby, get called back into the interview room and given directions to the drug testing site. The panel members said they didn’t know what was next in the application process and suggested that it might be PT (thus my original post). No recruiter, no briefing, no info re what’s next or when.
j
unknown
Jun 06, 2007
J.
Were did you do your interview at.
Mr. Ex.
Jun 06, 2007
What is going on here is something called ranking, you submitted your paper work and have been determined eligible. They than interview you to determine your status and do a drug screen. At this point they should rank you ‘Highly Qualified’ or not if not forget abut getting in just to many applicants.
Once they commit to Psychological testing or medical examination you should have by now been given a conditional offer of employment. If you do either of these items and not hired and passed these they have most likely violated EEO regulations and the TSA EEO Counselor should be contacted if you are not hired as violations of several laws have just partaken. I know a contact to help you with the process if you want to pursue it.
The PT test is a factor as well and can be construed as part of testing and either make or break you amongst the other ‘highly qualified’ applicants.
Remember if you interviewed a follow up letter thanking them for the interview is etiquette. If you have not been interviewed I’d post a letter to AVUE just letting them know your still interested and all details remain the same or what has changed (as a tickler).
I think the SAC would be telling the truth just before October could this translate to September, just remember how long Phase I and II is and of course do not forget around Christmas and New Year the wheels of government almost comes to a halt. Of course FAMS are flying around the globe.
unknown
Jun 06, 2007
Mr.EX
Hey I was just passing on my situation to J and what was said to me by SAC.
waiting
Jun 06, 2007
Just read on another forum an applicant just completed their pta yesterday. The FAM in charge told him there are two classes remaining for this fiscal year, August and September. He was told that August class is full and September is still filling. Well, there is hope, but, I need to finish up my pta then I’m done. Didn’t think it would be this long after finishing my medical last month. Oh well, here’s to waiting some more.
j
Jun 07, 2007
I didn’t interview – my questions are on behalf of someone else. The person interviewed at an office in the midwest.
waiting
Jun 10, 2007
Has anyone been contacted to complete another part of their process lately, specifically the medical or pta?
waiting
Jun 10, 2007
When do calls generally go out in regards to hiring? Days, weeks, or months in advance to those selected? Also, if certain classes are already full for hiring, does that mean they are full from a list of applicants who have yet to be contacted or have they possibly been called already? Just fishin’ for some answers ….Any input is appreciated..
Mr. Ex
Jun 11, 2007
Hey there,
If I was a betting man I’d say they are full from a list of people whom have not yet been contacted. I would further venture to say that the notice would be short as in a week to a few weeks, do not expect a lot of notice. this is done for the psychological reason to show they have the power and they are in control and also shows the willingness to drop everything for the service.
I would further say that many of those whom they think will take a slot will not as they have waited so long they have found something else. Therfore wasting tax payers money going through a costly process of selection. Therfore than being required to rush many others to finish the process to get them into the class on even shorter notice. Kind of like a rapid deployment, for those on stand by.
A great job but a lot of Bull Sh.. to put up with!
Dwight Hackworth
Jun 11, 2007
OK received the email from HRO it looks good for us. Here it is.
Hi Dwight,
I heard the same rumor that you did. There’s supposed to be only 65
people that’s going to be hired for both those classes and the word is
that the offers will probably start going out sometime in July, if not
before. And the offers are supposed to go to the people that have
already completed everything. You are in that group, so keep your
fingers crossed. I won’t be the one making the offers anymore, so when
you get “the call”, it will be from one of the HR Specialists in the
Staffing group from our HQ office.
So sit tight! I’m keeping my fingers crossed for you as well!
Hope this bolds well for us. Keep your fingers crossed.
waiting
Jun 11, 2007
Well, I thought I might have a chance here this year considering I was contacted last month to hurry up and complete the medical. I haven’t heard anything since and am getting nervous. I guess I still have a chance since they could finish my process with just a pta call, but, when will that be I’m wondering now. Also, maybe there is time to finish before calls go out. Oh well, can’t do anything but sit and wait some more.
Get2DeChoppaaa!
Jun 16, 2007
I am an Intelligence Officer in the Army Reserves and hold an SSBI TS/SCI clearance from the DoD. Does anyone know if the FAMS cross-references any of my information from this clearance to the FAMS clearance or if my current clearance is transferable to the FAMS. Thought that this would expedite the process and increase my marketability. Thanks.
Mr. Ex
Jun 17, 2007
Get2,
The reality it may help in the decesion to issue a waiver if needed, however as you may know 2 diffrent agencies conduct the investigations, as each agency is responsible for their own clearnaces. Although at the end all clearance information should end up in Boyers, PA.
The other thing is that the periodic reinvestigation (PR) is required every 5 years and it is the same cost for an agency to do the whole investigation. Keep in mind this should be treated as a PR and only require them to do the past 5 years and no further and by law only to the date the last PR or inital TS was issued and treated like an update.
In that sense the issuance of a new clearance by the agency should be a little faster. Hold no hopes it will give you advantage over others though this is the Govt sector not civilian sector.
The other thing is if you claimed any Veterans Prefrence know your rights, because if your considered highly qualfied and processed along and given a Medical Exam or Psych Testing (Bona Fide Offer of Employment)that should mean only Veterans with the same or more prefrence can be hired/trained before you.
waiting
Jun 17, 2007
Anybody receive an email from Avue lately stating the FAM announcement will be closing June 29th? Many have already received it, however, I haven’t seen it yet.
Mr. Ex.
Jun 18, 2007
I would suggest this is good news that the announcement is closing. All that means is no more applicants can apply not that those whom already applied will not be considered.
I would contend more likely than not that once it closes offers would follow very shortly after that date!
How many have had medical and psych completed? and are veterans whom claimed prefrence?
USAF
Jun 18, 2007
Yeah I got that same email about 5 days ago. Its want you to make final updates to your contact information as you will not be able to do so after the 29 June. I guess like Mr. Ex said this could be a good thing for all that have applied already.
I am claiming veteran’s preference but the last step I completed was mailing my fingerprints off to Personnel Security. Hopefully I can get an interview here shortly.
Another Anonymous
Jun 18, 2007
I have not recieved that Email either. I’m not sure why some people are receiving it and others are not. Has anyone completed the entire process on here.
Dizzy
Jun 18, 2007
I DID receive the email about making sure all personal information needing to be complete in your application/account with AVUE. I would estimate I received it 4 or five days ago. I sent in my fingerprints and that was also the last step I completed before receiving the aforementioned email. I am not really sure what is going on, but as I mentioned previously, it is government and I do not expect the process to be a quick one. If it is, GREAT! If not, I would not be surprised. As X-mas stated, it may be a good thing for those in the process to close out those that have not even started the process. Hurry Up & Wait… I am sure many of you have heard that before! :)
Dizzy
Jun 18, 2007
OOPs! I called Mr. Ex, “X-Mas”. Sorry man! I was trying to say, X-Man. I hope you will forgive me. BTW, I hope everyone who is a father had a wonderful Fathers Day! ;)
USAF
Jun 18, 2007
“Hurry up and wait” the operating system of the military and government of the current military.
Another Anonymous
Jun 19, 2007
Well I hope it comes soon then. Man, it feels like I have been in the process forever now. I’ve been doing this since June 2005.
Mr. Ex.
Jun 19, 2007
Since June 2005, well imagine how many people got hired since than! As well as how many people left the service.
Cmike
Jun 19, 2007
Hey Ex,
You seem to be pretty knowledgeable about the way things work in the FAMS hiring process. I was curious about what you really think about this last email that was put out by Avue? I have not received the email (completed the process in April), but from what people have posted in other forums, it reads like a “Dear John” letter to me. We are all in some phase of the hiring process, so why not send it out to all of the applicants. Some people have completed the process, months ago, and yet they still received the email. After turning in transcripts, one would think that the next step would be an offer, and not and email referring to updating your application??? The only time that I have seen such an email go out to only certain applicants, in a hiring process, it was to let applicants know that they did not make the final cut but that their application would be filed for a later need. I mean, some of these people have been in the processing pool since 2005. If the FAMS was interested, certainly by now they would have hired them.
I am just wonder what your real take is on this issue???
Thanks!
Cmike
famsblinko
Jun 19, 2007
I have seen on other forums that supposedly there is a class in August and another one in September. The August class is supposed to be full and the September is supposed to be half full. Then I read somewhere else that they will hire between now and October. If there are classes in August, the hiring should start before August. Does anyone have any inside information on if the classes do exist and when they are?
famsblinko
Jun 19, 2007
Also, any ideas on why some got the Avue email about June 29th and others didnt. Does anyone know if the classes are officially going to be in Georgia or is this just a rumor? Maybe thisis what is holding up the hiring.
dnehack
Jun 20, 2007
famsblinko,
Rumor has it that there are no August and September class, but there’s a October class. A guy that was injured in the August class last year has been sitting in the field office waiting to go back to class and he said he would be going in October. Hope this helps. He was told at first that he would be in a class in August or September!
famsblinko
Jun 20, 2007
Thanks dnahack. I guess the hirring is going to get pushed back now too since they pushed the class back. Last I heard they were supposed to call the hires in July or before. Too bad there is no way to find out if this October clss is set in stone or if it is just a rumor. Hopefully there is enough money left in fy2007 to have the classes and hire. I heard they were getting new guns too so who knows?
Mr Ex.
Jun 20, 2007
DNE & FAMS
I think FAM Managers do not even know what is going on, as they are telling a lot of people things that are worlds apart. My experience within the FAMS is that those who get injured during training/or at work tend to get their chains jerked around more than others.
I have watched those already hired sit the bench and be passed over for training classes and new hires have been slotted into the class over them.
I think the slots in FLETC are in high demand and they may be playing the twister game to get a class or two. How sad is it that they do not replace those they loose on a regular basis.Therfore can not meet their legslative requirments to cover flights! Awful thought
Dizzy
Jun 20, 2007
WOW! Everyone has a different point of view or information from “contacts”. It may be a good thing to just ignore what is said and live life as if you never applied. And, when you do get the word, it will be one happy day! I definitely plan to go about it in that way. Although it is interesting to read about it. I would love to go to training this year. As I mentioned before, my last step was fingerprints and I did get the infamous email. We will see. Buenas Noches!
Mr. Ex
Jun 21, 2007
Dizzy,
I hope people hear your advice, and listen. As it is valuable!
Cmike
Jun 21, 2007
The question posted below is for anyone who would care to comment on it.
I was curious as to why Avue would send out an up-date email to only certain applicants in the process? I have not received the email. I completed the process in April 2007. We are all in some phase of the hiring process, so why not send it out to all of the applicants. Some people completed the process, months ago, and yet they still received the email. After turning in transcripts, one would think that the next step would be an offer, and not and email referring to up-dating your application??? Like I said earlier, the only time that I have seen such an email go out to only certain applicants, in a hiring process, it was to let them know that they did not make the final cut but that their application would be filed for a later need of the agency. Just wondering what others think about it???
After all, this board is set up for people to voice their opinions on the current matters at hand.
Mr. Ex.
Jun 22, 2007
Cmike,
If you took a Physical examination and/or any psych testing, one of two things has happened, either you got a conditional offer of employment or you have been discrimanted against if you passed these. AS EEO regulations are very clear of the process here, and trust me FAMS HR are well aware of this!
If you are not hired within twelve months of completing the process, the chances are you will have to start the process over as most eligability list can only be verfied for a 12 month period.
if you are a veteran and claimed prefrence they have a rule of three that needs followed and is complex to understand but if 1 of the top three is a veteran the veteran gets hired and if the fourth on the list is a veteran he/she will move to number three and be hired. This fall under DOL VEOA or USERRA and most likely under the MSPB after that.
They have their reasons why only some and not all got the message. Most important is know your rights as an applicant…. than as an employee if your hired. Ensure you join FLEOA if your hired and get the insurance.
Cmike
Jun 22, 2007
Thanks for the reply Mr. Ex. I have been a member of FLEOA for a while now. It pays to have someone watching your back!
Good luck to everyone involved in this length process.
Cmike
famsblinko
Jun 23, 2007
Cmike
So, do you think the email has anything to do with getting hired or not hired. Maybe the people who got the email are Veterans and will definitely be hired? I’m not a veteran and didn’t get the email so my chances seem to be slim to none it sounds like.
Mr. Ex.
Jun 23, 2007
FamsBlinko,
I would not say slim to none, as that what the hiring process is for is to rank applicants. Many veterans will not be that highly ranked!Just like many non vets wont either, one said on earlier he was toled they had more highly qualified applicants after the interview.
I would not hang my hat on getting a job with the FAMS, they always get a lot more applicants and interview a lot more than they hire. How bad do you want the job and what are you willing to do to get it may be the question…… may need to follow up if you had a Medical and/or Psych or even provided medical information as this is illegal in the pre offer stage only leaving the reasonable person to beleive they will be hired according to EEO.
ING
Jun 23, 2007
Does anyone know if a degree in Aeronautics with an emphasis on aviation safety and security would make you competitive enough to apply to FAMS? And what kind of training you should have to accompany the degree that would help you get the position?
Thanks
-ING
Dizzy
Jun 23, 2007
Aeronautics? Emphasis in aviation safety and security? You may get an awesome job working for the FAA doing just that!! Or with a specific airline doing just that? But if you are interested in being an air marshal, I would say that its a great background to have! Of course, I am no recruiter nor have I been hired by them yet, but sounds like good knowledge to have if you are going to be in the business. Sure, a law enforcement or military background is great, but you can learn defensive tactics or to shoot (maybe not as good as me… HAHA). What have you been doing with your degree and knowledge if you dont mind me asking, ING?
Mr. Ex.
Jun 23, 2007
I would say you only know if you apply, but you better hurry June 29th they close the application process (alleged).
Cmike
Jun 24, 2007
FamsBlinko,
Yes, I do think that the email has something to do with whether you will be hired or not under this announcement any time soon. It doesn’t matter whether you are a veteran or not, if you lack LE experience, it will be an up hill battle for you. Having veteran’s preference is a good thing, however, it does not give one an automatic in! I have been doing federal LE for a while now, and I have experienced many hirings and firings from the federal system. In my opinion, the applicants who received that email will not get picked up until a much later date. Maybe not until another announcement. The federal government has a very special way of doing things. It doesn’t operate like the state and local levels. Whenever the Feds do something, it is almost always to their advantage.
Like I said earlier, this is only an opinion based on what I have experienced over the years. I will say this, the FAMS is very very tight lipped about what is going on with their hiring process. I have noticed that people get on these forums and put out all kinds of alleged info about the hiring process. Info that they say was given to them in their field office by the higher ups. In fact, if you conduct a little review of the past treads in some of these forums, you will see where the same people have been putting out the same false information month after month after month. Well, I would say take what you read on these forums very lightly. I know many FAMs (guys who are in good with their ASAC, and have been in the FAMS since 2002), and they have not heard “jack” about how and when it’s all going to go down!
Good luck to you in the process!
Cmike
dnehack
Jun 24, 2007
Cmike,
I agree with most of your post, but not the email bit. I received the email and also received the call back on September 30th to be hired with FAMS. I was on vacation when the call came in and did not receive the message until the next day. Anyways, (My Opinion)I think the email was sent out because I think they have a list of who they want to hire and they sent the email out to the ones that were on the list. Like I said that is just my opinion. I dont have any facts this is just coming from my gut. We all know this is the government and they do what they want. Good luck to all and we shall find out in less than 90 days!!
USAF
Jun 24, 2007
Cmike,
We all really have no idea to whom they sent this email to. We all can take our best guess about to whom this email was sent but we will not know until months or a year from now when the hiring takes place.
I am one of those persons who recieved the email. I have filed veterans preference have a BA in Crim Justice and have tactical, LE background and have graduated from specialized courses. So for me to have not made the final cut, to me would be a surprise.
I did not think anything more of the email but what they me asked to do, update my info. I think we all are getting worked up over nothing and like Dizzy said just roll wit the punches until you are in AZ or GA and NJ/AC.
Dizzy
Jun 24, 2007
Does anyone have the number to the “red” phone where we can call President Bush himself and ask “Whats Up”? Just kidding. I dont think he would even have an answer, to be honest. I guess since that magic date of the infamous email is getting closer and closer, more and more people are getting concerned. Some of you may be doing the same thing I am and just living as if I had never applied. And some others may be extremely anxious or nervous about it all. I can only speak for myself. Everyone has a different idea of what is happening. Unless you are with headquarters/recruiting command, the information is all hearsay… right??? What do I know? I would love to fly the ‘friendly’ skies, though. This job is perfect for me. Except the part about not having so much action. I guess I will have to get that from movies and the gym!
dnehack
Jun 24, 2007
Dizzy, You left a big open in that post but I will be a nice guy tonight and wish you well!! Good luck when the calls go out in the end of July. What FO do you want to go to?
dnehack
Jun 24, 2007
Dont be nice! I wanna know what you were going to say! Does it have anything to do with action? Yeah…. I bet it does. Anyway, I would love Boston, but I am open to other options. I would also love DC. When you said you received the call, did you mean you rec’d the call and will start in September or that you were called last September that you were selected and just have not started yet? Gracias!
ING
Jun 24, 2007
Dizzy, I am currently finishing the degree at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University and will graduate in December of 2008. I’m also not a bad shot myself and have some experience with the military though I have not served myself. I am trying to get more information before I decide to fly with the Navy or apply to the FAMS.
dnehack
Jun 24, 2007
I was called for the job back in September 30, 06 but was on vacation in the mountains and did not receive the message until Oct 1st. They wanted me to sign my paperwork before the new FY started on Oct 1st. Obviously I missed the cutoff and they have not hired since. I am gonna leave that fist question ALONE!!
Dizzy
Jun 25, 2007
dnehack—
OMG! Were you upset about it? you are pretty much in there like swimwear now, aren’t ya’? Well, I wish you the best of luck. And smart move on leaving it alone. “Public” forum, if you catch my drift! Hav ea great day!
ING—
I am so proud of your accomplishments. Would you not rather fly?
dnehack
Jun 25, 2007
Yes to say the least. I was kind of mad at FAMS at first for that, but I know how the government works and figured it just wasnt ment to be right then. Yes I think I am in if they start hiring again before November. I turn 37 in November and will be to old then. Yep understand completely about the public forum.
ING
Jun 25, 2007
Dizzy, I do love to fly and I am keeping my options open at this time. However I would have no problem with flying on the side as more a hobby to keep it fun.
Cmike
Jun 25, 2007
Hey dnehack,
Sorry about the missed call for the job! I know how that fiscal year cutoff can be.
I also value everyone’s opinion on the email subject. Good luck to everyone in the hiring process!
Cmike
Mr. Ex.
Jun 25, 2007
Have faith and what is going to happen is going to happen at the end of the day, week, month and year in this case.
Another Anonymous
Jun 29, 2007
Wow, nobody has left a comment on here in a while. What’s the deal? Anything else new happening?
famsblinko
Jun 29, 2007
Can anyone confirm from any credible source if the classes in Sept and November are a sure thing or if they are likely to push them back again?
Cmike – Based on dnehacks post, isn’t it more likely that those who got the email will be hired sooner rather than later? Or, do you still feel the same about the email situation? Have any of your contacts heard about the classes or hiring? What about moving the training to GA?
Thanks!
Cmike
Jun 29, 2007
famsblinko,
I have not heard any concrete info on whether the training has been moved to GA. But that doesn’t really concern me. I have already had FLETC training, so I am hoping that I will get to skip that party.
From what I was informed, classes are still on for August and September. This is what was told to me at the end of my tenure in the hiring process. My time line, in the hiring process, was from the beginning of February to the end of April.
And on dnehack’s post about being hired sooner rather than later if you got the email,(no offence intended dnehack), but I highly doubt it. The logic here dictates other wise. About two months ago FAMS started pushing people to finish their medicals and PTAs. Now that push has come to a very very slow crawl. Just in time for the announcement to close. Oh, I am sure that some of the recipients of that email will get their shot at being hiried by the FAMS, but I doubt it will be any time soon. Prehaps sometime well within the new fiscal year. But that is just my take on things, and by no way “The Law”. :-)
Cmike
Dizzy
Jun 29, 2007
I have not heard anything since sending in fingerprints; its been three weeks or so. I wish everyone the best, though! :)
dnehack
Jun 29, 2007
To confirm the email, I talked to HRO three days ago and everyone that applied under the two announcements was SUPPOSE to receive the email from AVUE. If you did not receive the email it was an AVUE glitch. I can guarantee you there is not anything behind the if you received the email you wont be hired anytime soon or if you didnt recieve the email you wont be hired anytime soon. Hope this clears up the email rumors!
Cmike
Jun 29, 2007
dnehack,
I have to wonder why didn’t they clear the glitch up before the announcement closed??? If it is like say, then all is well for everyone. But I am sure that the people in the HRO had to have been bombarded with phone calls about that email. Would it not have been logical for the HRO to have AVUE send out an email to the people who didn’t receive it??? Those who were excluded would need to be made aware of the announcement’s closing date in order to update their information if need be, right??? There was plenty of time for them to have corrected their glitch. However, I still have not received the email, and I am a very strong candidate for this position.
I hope that you are right about this. We shall see soon enough.
Cmike
Mr. Ex.
Jun 29, 2007
Let me tell you all AVUE used a set of parameters to generate that email. You let HRO call it a glitch and feed you BS don’t ever fully trust the Perez Crew (Dirty Dozen, if you do, well you may be dissapointed. If you got the email hold onto it…….. and if you didn’t hold on to what you did not get.
AVUE is a profit driven company and does everything for a reason, they can not afford glitches, as glitches cost in more way than one. If you are denied a position and not hired and want to appeal the decesion let me know and I’ll provide your details to two very experienced people whom either have won their cases or will win in the very near future (not lawyers). As they have been supported along their journey by most FAMS and have supported FAMS whom have issues.
The other thing if you have your FLETC training it does not exclude you from the mandatory training at ACY and a class will have to finish FLETC more likely than not before you get hired to join them.
The moral of the story is many applicants and FAMS have in the past put their trust into HR and learned quickly. In ‘GOD WE TRUST’ all others we investigate.
Cmike
Jun 30, 2007
Good point Mr. Ex.
dnehack
Jun 30, 2007
All I can say is I HAVE received the call for employment and when calls start going back out soon, I will be on that list! I did receive the email so we will see!
Dizzy
Jun 30, 2007
“IN GOD WE TRUST… All others are Suspects & We Investigate” is absolutely correct! It really makes me wonder how much information being tossed around is even remotely close to what will be the End Result. I know what I want, but I have no connections to the word around town concerning what will happen. Only what I read on the forums. I take it for what its worth. Happy 4th!
Mr. Ex.
Jun 30, 2007
dnehack,
When do you turn 37? Can I say I know several people whom would have been one of the best resources to the FAMS and in 2002 got caught up on the list and did not get hired, although rated as “highly qualfied”. I hope your right and get that call but if the apple cart gets upset ummm.
They put applications in several times since than and did not get hired yet. They accept they will be 37 soon and may not get hired. Why one may ask…. well RACE, AGE and other discrimination factors. It is real in this service especially as you try to move upwards, CASE No 07 C 2991 in the United States District Court for Norther District of Illinois Eastern Division says it all.
A few FAMS whom have had enough and the courage to challenge the service on behalf of their friends, family and every US Citizen to preserve our rights. Are no longer playing but want equality… something each and everyone of us should ask for.
DOCUMENT EVERYTHING!
FutureFAm
Jul 01, 2007
Hey DNEHACK
It sounds like you are positive that you are on the list. Is this just a feeling because you were called for the job the first time? Or do you actually have a contact or contacts that have told you this? If so, what is the latest you heard about hiring
Mr. Ex….I’m trying to read in betwen the lines with this email thing, It appears that most people think the email is tied to not being hired. Do you feel that anyone close to the age of 37 is unlikely to be hired anytime soon just becaus of the age?
Thanks for any input
Anonymous
Jul 01, 2007
Future FAM,
Read the The GAO report I mentioned on April 28 has a lot of stats and other useful info look at that! This supports tmy position that they are less likely to hire a person whom is of that age. From a legal perspective it wouldn’t be in their interest to swell the ranks with these people mentioned in the ranks at the base level and not have a similar percentage reflect within the supervisory ranks either. With that said in my proffessional experience I’d sayless likely unless they have Prior FLEO time they can tack on.
Let me say this if they tell someone whom they offered and declined previously the old line’you will be one of the first ones in the training session’ ha ha guess what you better have it in writting or else the conversation never happened. Famous ‘we do not remeber that’.
Not to be negative because it is a good job if you get in and it is getting better, but you have to watch your backside and your squad members aswell once in.
Mr. Ex.
Jul 01, 2007
previous post is mine sorry
Dnehack,
Jul 01, 2007
FutureFAM,
Yes I am feeling pretty confident; one because I did receive the call back on September 30, 2006 and I have talked to HRO more than anyone else because of the whole situation with me receiving the call before. They have been great with talking to me but have never told me that I am on the list. That would not be fair to the rest of the guys and with the privacy issues it wouldnt be ethic! All I can say is I hear they will be hiring 65ish between July-September. Am I 100% on the list, I have know idea. Do I think I am on the list YES!
Anonymous,
I understand what you are saying but my hiring is a little different since I did receive the call and I think my background is pretty good.
5 Years LEO, 9 1/2 years Military (5 Military Police and 4 1/2 Infantry/Airborne)7 Years Security Specialist, Three Military Conflicts (Not deployments)and close to my two year degree! I scored excellent across the board on the PTA 16 Pull-Ups, 60 Sit-ups, 61 Push-ups and 9:50ish on my run. I scored Highly Recconmend on my interview that is why I think I will be called when the calls start back up. Like I said though I am not 100% but I do have faith in the man above!
Another Anonymous
Jul 02, 2007
Yea, I think I will be called as well. I did pretty well on the PTA I had 24 pull ups, 68 sit ups, 89 pushups and a 9:40 run. Not bad for a 245 pound guy. But I’m confident I will get called.
dnehack
Jul 02, 2007
I wouldnt expect anything more than for someone like you to talk shit behind the computer. Please tell me where I said I was going to get the job because of my PTA? Learn to read and interpet what is being said. Good luck with the rest of the process. God knows you need it!! Oh by the way I dont think for a mitute you actually did that well on any of the above Anonymous!! Nice try though.
Mr 36
Jul 02, 2007
I wouldnt expect anything less than for someone like you to hide behind a computer and talk crap. Try reading my post again and tell me where it says that I will get the job because of my PTA???? I didnt think so!! Try posting some of your energy into making your self better and not worrying about what others are doing. By the way you couldnt hold my jockstrap and I dont believe for a minute you scored that high.
dnehack
Jul 02, 2007
Sorry for the double post!
Another Anonymous
Jul 02, 2007
First off watch your tone. You don’t know me and you don’t know what I’ve done. Secondly, I wasn’t making fun or trying to clown you. I was just simply stating the facts of what I did. Now if you want to know how I did well, I am a former football player who has been working out for years so when it comes to doing this stuff it’s nothing. Don’t get all worked up because my numbers were high. You posted yours I posted mine. End of story. I’m not saying for one bit that the PTA determines if you get hired or not. Like I said before I was just saying what I did. Oh by the way, lets get this clear jerk off, I don’t talk tough behind computers. I tell people to their face.
Anonymous
Jul 02, 2007
Yeah what ever…I guess you are just like all the other want to be football players that cant make it with the big boys! LOL what a joke
Anonymous
Jul 02, 2007
You better watch it dnehack, he sounds like your mom. lol I noticed he didnt put his anything other than his (fake) PTA scores down. I guess he thinks he is good enough to get the job because he is a (FOOTBALL PLAYER)
Another Anonymous
Jul 02, 2007
Ha, hey you are a funny guy. Best of luck to you through this process. I hope you make it through to my training class so you can see how real I am. I’m dying to meet you tuff guy.
Another Anonymous
Jul 02, 2007
Hey Anonymous,
I don’t think this involves you. I have no problem with you. But I see you are trying to make it yours. Why are yall getting so angry about me putting my scores up. Please tell me.
Mr. Ex.
Jul 02, 2007
Guys/Girls,
Your little tiffs shows me two things! You can figure what these two things are…….
I wouldn’t be showing either of them on a forum reviewed by FAM Managers if you really want the job……
roboman
Jul 02, 2007
Hey all,
I see there is not much going on in this forum. For whatever it is I’m sure yall will get passed it. We all are on the same team here c’mon fellas. On another note, is anything else going on with the hiring process?
Michael Hampton
Jul 02, 2007
Exactly why are you all applying to be federal air marshals? Is it to protect the country and its people? If so, try to have some respect for each other, because the person you’re going at right now might in the future be watching your six.
dnehack
Jul 02, 2007
Very true! Sorry for the post!
FutureFAM
Jul 02, 2007
Does anyone know who is making the hiring decisions? Is it done at each field office or HQ or somewhere else? Is there any part of the requirements that weigh more heavliy than others? Do you think the hiring decisions have already been made or will they continue looking through applicants and push some throuh and kick some older ones out? Will they finsih the applicants who are in the process or are they out of luck?
thanks for any input
dnehack
Jul 02, 2007
FutureFAM,
HQ, makes the decisions. I believe that all are weighted pretty evenly. I think they take into effect you prior experiences, medical, work history, college and your physical fitness. I dont think one out ways another. I am just an applicant like you so everyone may have different opinions. The rest of the question are good ones, that can probably only be answered by someone that works in HQ’s. I would think that FAMS wants the best qualified applicants so they would still be pushing folks through until the decision to hire again starts. This is the Federal Government so you you never know! Good Luck!
Mr. Ex
Jul 03, 2007
Past Practice!
Things are done in a sequence for a reason. Applications are weighted into several categories, most likely considered highly qualified or have a special attribute wanted by the service to move on. Medical is a pass/fail bases… other areas of the process has points assigned to them and a score is developed. Hence how they determine whom to hire.
This raises many questions about evidence based practice within recruitment, since many of their practices are out dated and not validated and may have an adverse impact on one group of individuals over the other. For instance if you use a seperate set of questions based on an individuals background?
How many of you whom interviewed have been asked about the use of deadly force? Most likely very few, since yo do not come from a FLEO position. How many of you have been sked to describe a scenario? This produces interater reliability questions.
Final decesions of hiring whom really makes them? This is a loaded question as at the end of the day the Director and HRO has this legislative authority although reccomendations from field offices can/are made after the interviews.
Another Anonymous
Jul 03, 2007
Hey dnehack and Anonymous,
My apologies for the previous post. Can we bury the hatchet and move on? Best of luck to everybody through out this process.
Dizzy
Jul 03, 2007
How nice it is to see you all apologize to each other. For a minute there, I wondered why someone who was processing to protect and serve at the federal level would post comments of such an immature and disturbing nature. These people may have your life in their hands one day. Not to mention, X-man made a great point that we are not the only ones reading these forums. I am hoping that the apologies are sincere and that you are all able to move on. In the meantime, I still have not heard anything. Like before, I am not holding my breath, even though I would love to be one selected! Anyone want to offer their home for a 4th of July Bar B Q? I Love Steak! :)
dnehack
Jul 03, 2007
Hatchet buried! Sorry again. Now when are we going to start receiving the calls???????
Another Anonymous
Jul 03, 2007
Great! Yea I hope we get the calls soon. Do you think they will go out within the next 30 days? How do you think they will do it? Like how much time do they give you in advance to prepare and give your current employer the proper amount of time that you are leaving?
dnehack
Jul 03, 2007
If they do it like last year, you will have anywhere from five days to 45. Its really up to you, but I wouldnt push it off too far because you dont know how many classes they are going to have. I am ready to rock in roll as soon as they call. If they called today I would report with in a couple days if they aloud me too. As far as calls going out, I think at the end of July or into August. Good Luck to all.
Another Anonymous
Jul 03, 2007
Oh ok. Thanks man! Yea i’m ready to roll too bro. Whenever they want me to report, I’m there.
Mr. Ex.
Jul 03, 2007
Reality Check,
Are you ready to go with a few days notice? Have you already let your current employer know , that you may be put into a situation that you can not give the required notice? Proffessional courtesy with your old employer goes a long way, especially if the investigator for your clearance happens to just pop up!
July 4th, well Dizzy and others I offer my house, but you’d have to fly to get here since none of you are living next door… and I am sure of that! Anyone going to Phila for the ringing of the bell?
When you get the call.. if you procrastinate and do not say yes, to their demands/conditions you may not get a second chance. If they give you a choice of class dates… take the first one at all cost if you really want the job as the second or sequential class may get cancelled.
Ever wonder with the threat so high to transportation why it is not more of a priority to get spys in the sky? Whom may get additional roles across the transport sector to reduce flight hours for each individual for various reasons.
Happy 4th to all!
dnehack
Jul 03, 2007
Mr Ex.
I hear ya and yes I already cleared it with my job. I am on military orders and my boss has said he would let me go as soon as I received the call. Of course I have about 30 days of vacation that I would be double dipping. YEAH!! I have worked for him for the past (8) years, he is like a father to me.
Mr. Ex.
Jul 03, 2007
Dnehack,
That is good! As transparency with you and others with their current employer is important. It may come back to bite you in the rear end, with the clearance either now or later or future refrences.
I know you all feel your between a rock and a hard place and all the uncertanity surronding the recruiting etc., hang in there. The severe case of Optical Rectumitis shown here by those in charge of the recruiting process has to come to an end! As I have just got off the phone having a bit.. to a congressional staffer whom my family is personal friends of the congressional member. Just being honest about how can congress justify that no one is being hired/trained with the current alert level and DHS/TSA not showing a sense of priority.
Have any of you searched you tube and watched some of the stuff on there about Air Marshals?
Just keep hope and the understanding it could be anytime between now and never that the call could come, so life must go on.
futureFAM
Jul 03, 2007
Mr. Ex (and everyone else)
Im just afraid that those of us who have been waiting so long are going to get replaced by applicants who are newer to the process for that reason along. I’d hate to have all the guys waiting a year or more replaced by those who went through quickly in the past several months.
I think Congress can justify no one being hired by saying that they are working on it or it isnt in the budget. We have heard both all year long. Did you congressional friend have any input? If the classes are scheduled for Aug. and Sept. or Sept. and Oct. (I have heard both) for sure, surely they have to hire for them.
You said that the calls could come betwen now and never. Do you feel that any of the classes are likely to be cancelled? If for some reason they don’t hire this year, will the allow the old ones on the list to update anything that is expired or will they get booted off the list?
Thanks
Dizzy
Jul 03, 2007
You make an excellent point… there is so much uncertainty and telling current supervisors may cuase more heartache than it would bring anything good. I have a great boss, and she knows my passion, but I have no way of knowing whether I will receive a call. Not to mention, her right hand man just resigned. UGH! I was also thinking about all thses threat levels and how they DO mention Air Marshals but they do not mention numbers or recruiting of some. Very interesting. But thats what I see… there may be more going on behind the scenes that we will not know about until the call is actually made. You Tube… I will check it out.
dnehack
Jul 04, 2007
Happy 4th of July to all.
dnehack
Jul 04, 2007
ok, now that everyone is full of food and a few beers, lets get back to the task at hand and get them calls going out. By my picture we have less than three weeks before calls start going out. Lets hope!!
Cmike
Jul 05, 2007
Sounds good to me dnehack!
famsblinko
Jul 05, 2007
Less than three weeks assuming the rumors of the classes are true. If they decide to look into all the completed applications to make sure they get the best 65, it could take longer than that. I guess it all hinges upon if the classes are really schedule and if they are finalized. I havent been able to find out for sure if the classes really exist and if they are set in stone. It seems to be rumor but unfortunately that is all we ever hae to go on. That and the constantly changing “scheduled classes.” I have heard of about 6 different months they were suppposed to be “scheduled” in 2007 so far and none of them has panned out.
Futurefam – I hear you. I have wondered the same thing. It seems like 5-6 months ago I was told that the PTA or medical expires after a 3-6 months. I can’t remember where I heard that. I’m hoping it was a false rumor or that they relaxed the rule after they froze the hiring so all of us old done folks dont lose out. From what I have read about the past it seems that the oldest applicants get thrown out. I sorta wish I had finished later instead of back in 2006.
dnehack
Jul 05, 2007
I am still hearing that there are two classes one in September and one in October. Will that happen?? Your guess is as good as mine. I think the one in September will happen and then they will re-evaluate from there. I personally think they already have the ones going to the class already assigned, and everyone else will be put in to additional classes at a later date. This is just my opinion!
famsblinko
Jul 07, 2007
Cmike – you heard that classes are in August and September
Dnehack – you heard that classes are in September and October
Can I ask how you found out this information and when? I am wondering what is the most recent. Thanks
dnehack
Jul 07, 2007
famsblinko,
From what I was told the classes were in August and September, but they moved them back to September and October. My info is as of last week. I will say nothing is set in stone as they do not have a definate or anything set in stone yet. Obvious if the classes were in August calls would be going out right now. I will still stick to my guns that at the end of July and into August calls will start going back out.
Mr. Ex.
Jul 07, 2007
As of today! I have been told by a source that has been very forthcoming and accurate in the past, that they are still trying to resolve logistical/financial issues nothing is in concrete but apparently a class date(s)has been set with FLETC. Also if they are to run two classes this calendar year and not just one that they would be Sept/Oct.
I tend to think they will run two because as the FAM Director has been advised that he will most likely be called to congress to testify early next year!
waiting
Jul 09, 2007
Has anyone heard if there would be a possibility of ramping up additional hires not including the next couple classes in light of what has been happening with international terroist activities?
Anonymous
Jul 09, 2007
Havent heard of anything, but this is the federal government anything could happen when September 30th gets here and they have all this money they need to spend.
famsblinko
Jul 09, 2007
It doesn’t sound like they are going to have any extra money left to spend. It sounds like they are working on the finances, which might mean they might have trouble hiring the 65 they are supposed to. If they do’t end up scheduling two classes this year, what are they chances they would hire for them?
Anyone have any input on the liklihood of them hiring without the classes logistics and finances worked out? Do you think they will hire and wait or wait to hire until it is set?
dnehack
Jul 09, 2007
They will know when its starts getting closer to the end of the FY as far as how much money they will have. Just like any other government agency, September 29-30 is federal shopping days! I dont think they will hire and hope they get the money next year. If that was the case I would be a flying FAM right now. I received the call back on September 30, 2006 but could not get in touch with them until Oct 1, 2006. I was one day late as they wanted me to sign my contract before FY 07 started. Hope this helps.
John
Jul 09, 2007
Hey guys. Just heard they have a new firearm policy with the FAMS. What I read is that the FAM will have a choice of weapons to carry on and off duty. Didn’t say what weapons will be ok for use, but some will be small and some big. Anyone know any specific weapons that may be used? Any chance on 1911’s (my personal favorite carry gun)?
Mr. Ex.
Jul 09, 2007
A range of service weapons are already approved to carry on board aircraft. If you go to TSA website and look at the program guide lines for the civilians that are hired to fly in and out of DC on the private flights, they will list them there.
I do not see much deviation from that list to be honest, base on the cost of testing, but this could be why the money is not around for training as well…
dnehack
Jul 09, 2007
This may help you.
Anonymous
Jul 09, 2007
Put www in front of this..I didnt know you couldnt post links.
dnehack
Jul 09, 2007
this is from meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Duke
Jul 09, 2007
I am in the same boat as “ING”. I am also finishing up my BS in Professional Aeronautics with minors and certificates in Aviation Safety and Security and Intellegence. Hopefully this will make up for the lack of LE/Mil experience. We are pretty much their puddy, they will mold us to the way they want us. I turned everything in before the 29th and looking forward to see what happens next. Good luck to all.
flyboy
Jul 10, 2007
duke,
what college u attend, i recieved the same degree in dec last year, i applied in jan 07 and finish the process this last june 07 i have all my pilot ratings, does it sound like I can make the list
futureFAM
Jul 10, 2007
Does anyone know what this new firearms policy means for us? Does it mean the FAMS are going to buy the guns or just allow more choices of them? If they buy them, I am thinking it will eat into new hire money.
I am starting to doubt that the hiring might not happen this FY between this new policy and the FLETC classes having logistical and financial trouble.
Anyone else have any thoughts about it?
Duke
Jul 10, 2007
Flyboy
I attended Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. I have all my ratings as well. I have no idea if you will make the list, I have no idea if I will make the list for that matter, but it sure doesnt hurt to try.
flyboy
Jul 10, 2007
does anyone know if having a backgound in aviation/pilot will help in hiring process with no ME/LE
JD
Jul 10, 2007
I have a law degree, but no LE or military experience.
Any thoughts on my chances?
famsblinko
Jul 11, 2007
great…someone on another forum said that they spoke to Avue yesterday. Apparently AVUE thinks it won’t be after this FY that FAMS does the hiring.
I dont know if that is good or bad. A lot of people seem to think that Avue never gets anything right. Maybe they are in the loop with HQ and HR doesnt know what is going on yet. I think that they probably appear to make mistakes, but that that isn’t the case.
Whatever the case, I hope it doesn’t go well into FY 08. When is the budget usually finalized enough to start spending? I thought they said that budget looked great in FY07 for hiring. I guess I’ll just keep hope for 07 but not count on it.
dnehack
Jul 11, 2007
I would take what AVUE says with a grain of salt. They handle the hiring process up until the PTA and then they dont do anything else in reguards to hiring. I dont think in a million years that anyone in FAMS HRO would call and say ok we are going to start hiring or not hire until next year. FAMS HRO does not even know when they are going to hire let alone an AVUE secertary! AVUE has no clue who gets hired or dont hired. I have three buddies that have been hired and the AVUE website still says they are in the running.
unknown
Jul 12, 2007
Hey recieved a call from FAMS Charlotte office stating I was top on the list and not to look for any further contact until after oct 1 due to budget issues things are looking up.
famsblinko
Jul 12, 2007
unknown,
Did you apply through the Charlotte office? Did they say you are the top one on the list or that you are just on the list?
I guess that classes in Aug/Sept/Oct are not happening then. Did they mention the next class?
Are all of the candidates on the list going to get contacted?
thanks
waiting
Jul 12, 2007
unknown,
Have you completed the entire process, if so how long ago? Did they state whether you are the top choice out of all the candidates for that office or top on list for hires?
thanks
futureFAM
Jul 12, 2007
unknown,
What is your background? How long did it take you to go through the process? Anything for us to compare to to see how we stack up? Did they call you or did you call them to find out your status? did they mention if classes would be oct. or if that is the earlist they would be hiring?
thanks
futureFAM
Jul 12, 2007
unknown,
What is your background? How long did it take you to go through the process? Anything for us to compare to to see how we stack up? Did they call you or did you call them to find out your status? did they mention if classes would be oct. or if that is the earlist they would be hiring?
thanks
waiting
Jul 12, 2007
unknown,
I bet you didn’t expect a mass number of questions sent your way with one posting. We are all just a little eager I guess for any news, regarding what it is.
Anonymous
Jul 12, 2007
I would adventure to say that the FO is the ones that said he was a top canidate. You really think they are going to come out and say you are the 5th, 10th, or 100th best. HRO does not call and say where you are at on the list. Its not in their best interest to start letting people know that kind of stuff. My FO office told me the same thing when I was going through the process with them in Orlando. Come to find out FO really dont know that much more than we do. I still think there will be a September class as from what I am hearing (out of HRO not a FO). I guess we will have to wait and see. Good luck to all.
unknown
Jul 12, 2007
Sorry it took so long to respond guys. I was told I was at the top of the list to be hired out of the Char. office. I finished the process back in Feb. I have 10 yrs military 3 combat deployments and 7 yrs. civilian LE.
anonymoustoo
Jul 16, 2007
It seems like the news has slowed down a ton on all the forums. Maybe no news is good news even thouh two people in the process were told that hiring didn’t look like it would begin until the new FY.
I just wish they communicated better with us as to what was going on or what the truth is. It would be nice to know one way or the other when hiring will resume. It’s not like they cant send out an email to everyone or at least those they have on the list to hire.
I guess the classes are still tentative according to Anonymous above.
Anonymous, how did you contact HRO or did they contact you?
HRO, the field offices, and current FAMS seem like they are all on different pages. Any idea who which is most likely to be correct or is it just as likely that none have a clue?
Cmike
Jul 16, 2007
anonymoustoo,
After you have done the best that you can possibly do, in all of the phases of the hiring process, there is nothing left to do but sit back and wait for your call.
On the day that I completed my PTA, I was told, at the FAMs’ office, that there were plans to conduct classes in August and September. That schedule may have changed. I talked with one of my friends today, who has been with the FAMS for a while and is in “the know”, and he said to just sit tight. That my time will soon be at hand. He would not say anything about when. I don’t know if he just didn’t know or if he has been told to keep glued about the hiring process. My gut tells me that it is the latter. So I think that they will be making some calls soon. It’s just a matter of time.
So just sit back and enjoy your summer. If you are on top of that pile of applicants, I am sure that you will get your call soon.
Cmike
Dizzy
Jul 17, 2007
Funny, eh? Since the notification/closing of the job it seems there isn’t much going on with the forums. I keep wanting them to call me. But, NADA Dude! I applied for some other things… backup, I guess.
Bored
Jul 18, 2007
Yea that is funny D. I can’t believe how long this is taking.
Duke
Jul 18, 2007
I’m suprised to see how some of you are getting impatient about getting a phone call or letter. You should be thankful to have been offered a conditional job offer and make it this far. As some of the posts above have said “Hurry up and wait” NOT “Hurry up and start pouting, about when you are going to get a call or letter” This just shows that you are an impatient person and want “action” right now. This is obviously not going to happen. FAMS do read these so I would think twice about posting something along the lines of “Whats taking so long” We all came to them, not them coming to us, so we need to just sit back and relax. When our number comes up move on to the next stage.
Mr. Ex.
Jul 18, 2007
The FAM Service is the ultimate bureaucracy, have you all read the GOA report about how high the turn over is in TSA, funny how they have grouped Screeners, FAMS and others into one lump as Transportation Security Officers so they can back them out and say retention/turnover is not really that high.
One thing you all need to understand of management and the cronyism that happens, they need to make sure that they all have their plush K band wages with allowances before they hire frontline employees to do the job in the private sector we cut the fat because we like lean beef in the govt sector they add the fat because it makes them like raw hide tough to chew because a lot of others get chewed first. Mid level and higher management has exploded expeditiously since the start of the program even though many of the positions should not be but a high J band they used creativity to make them K band. If they followed the FAA system as required many mangers would be jobless and back to collecting the DC Pension and not juggled around into a permanent slot out of the temporary 5 year slot they filled.
I understand the being impatient and so does most other rational people whom read this. The problem is those whom are the workplace psychopaths!!!! Trust me they are in the service, because they do not have to meet the same standards as you and I. Hang in there they will have to hire eventually, just hope you do not reach the age of 37 or something else changes to prevent you from pursuing the career you want.
Managment can make all the diffrence and should be rethinking strategic bussiness.
Dave
Jul 21, 2007
Can someone please list the PT standards????
Dizzy
Jul 22, 2007
Just an observation, (personal one at that), but I do not think that the men and women on this forum are getting impatient. I think they are inquiring as to the process and of course, they come to this forum to speak because that is the purpose of the forum. And, by now, I think that we are aware of “Big Brother”. That should be the norm on any website or forum. It can actually be interpreted as being anxious, a positive anxiety, to work for the government and/or FAMS. It’s all in how you preceive it.
Dnehack
Jul 23, 2007
Soon, Very soon!!!! :} Remember I told you this…
famsblinko
Jul 23, 2007
How do you know? When? What is your source?
Anonymous
Jul 23, 2007
Thats all irrealevant! Just keep your phone by you starting today!
dnehack
Jul 23, 2007
Sorry I posted the above.
waiting
Jul 23, 2007
I hope so. I do believe that calls will be going out within the next 2 weeks.
Dnehack
Jul 23, 2007
You better believe they will. Dont sweat it. Just get your bags packed and get ready to roll!
Mr. Ex.
Jul 23, 2007
How many of you expect calls? Or are far enough along the process to complete it within 3 weeks? Since people think (or know)that calls will go out in two weeks or less? It may just be an all or nothing offer you get as well since many people want and a re ready to take the bone if it is thrown at them.
Want to place bets on the date of the first call?
Duke
Jul 23, 2007
I have turned in everything that was required to be filled out and signed. This was about a month ago. It would be nice to get a call, I look forward to getting it whenever it comes.
Dizzy
Jul 23, 2007
This is funny! I did not finish everything. Fingerprints was the last thing. How does anyone really “know” that calls are coming and within two weeks. Even if thats the case today, nobody knows if something occurs tomorrow that will change that. It sure would be nice, though, eh? And I certainly DO NOT want to place any bets. I always lose. Haha!
dnehack
Jul 23, 2007
I will place a bet and say tomorrow or Wednesday. If I was a betting man and putting in some big time money I would say at the latest by Friday. You can take that to the bank!!!
Mr. Ex
Jul 23, 2007
DNE,
Did they already issue the EEOC decesion that was originally holding up recruitment? As it is scheduled to be released on the 24th according to a Senior DHS/TSA Official. Than the calls could follow, so your time line may speak true.
I will assume the Fiscal stuff got sorted than if your so certain they will be contacting people in the next few days… your credibility is on the line here! Or depends who you bet your A…… status
What are the class dates?
dnehack
Jul 24, 2007
We will just say the first class will be first week in September.
futureFAM
Jul 24, 2007
DNE
Are you sure that the calls going out are for new hires going through Artesia? I heard that the calls are only supposed to be for Phase II hires. You seem to be the only one on here that seems sure that you are in the know. Any way to confirm this for us?
Thanks
dnehack
Jul 24, 2007
I am 100% sure. The government can change at any time, but as of right now 100% You will see hopefully today!
waiting
Jul 24, 2007
If I was a betting man. I’d say that calls will be going out on July 24-27.
famsblinko
Jul 24, 2007
Mr Ex
What EEOC decision? How would that affect the FAMS hiring? This is the first I heard of that.
famsblinko
Jul 24, 2007
OK After the hiring is done. After we get that call we have all been waiting on. Is it final? Are we as good as in?
dnehack
Jul 24, 2007
I wouldnt say everyone! I dont even know if I am in, but I would say at least the top 65 are in. None of us will know for sure until that call comes in!!
waiting2
Jul 24, 2007
Well July 24th is down. It doesn’t appear that any calls have been made. Anyone hear anything? Did they announce the outcome of the EEOC decision? Anyone hear anything new regarding hiring. It could have changed since yesterday. I guess after Friday we should know if DNE’s source is accurate.
Any guesses on how many days it will take for calls to go out to the 65 hires? If the call doesn’t come the first day it would be nice to know that one could come the next or on subsequent days.
Is anyone on this forum a current FAM? What are you guys hearing. Most of what i hear lately has been from the outside. I’m surprised the FAMS don’t seem to know anything.
dnehack
Jul 24, 2007
Calls did go out today. More in the days to come!
Anonymous
Jul 24, 2007
wat # will they call from
waiting
Jul 24, 2007
So who has been lucky with getting the first round of calls?
famsblinko
Jul 25, 2007
Dnehack
How do you know calls went out? Did you get the call? If so – congradulations. I havent seen anyone on any of the forums getting called which is a little wierd that no one would get the call. Still wondering if it is just for Phase II hires. Are you a Phase II hire?
Did they call everyone for the first class? Do you know how long they will be calling for?
Thanks
dnehack
Jul 25, 2007
No I have not received the call. It is for phase I class that starts in Septeber. They will be calling until the first class is filled. They only call a few a day. So calls could go on for at least a month. I can not say how I know, just believe me that calls are going out. If I receive the call I will let everyone know.
Another Anonymous
Jul 25, 2007
Best of luck to everyone. Let the calls begin.
dnehack
Jul 25, 2007
I received the call! Boston FO Report 20 August! Finally Good luck to everyone!
Another Anonymous
Jul 25, 2007
Congratulations man! If you don’t mind, can you tell me how the conversation went.
Cmike
Jul 25, 2007
Hey dnehack,
Congrats on getting the call today!!! Giid luck to you!!!
Cmike
Anonymous
Jul 25, 2007
dnehack was the call from just a three digit number 508. I got a missed call from that number
Interested Party
Jul 25, 2007
I am in my early 30’s. I am single. I completed the application process in June of 2006 including all paperwork. I completed my interview in september sent in all my records including fingerprints, updated my application back in april. I have been a boarding officer in the U.S. Coast guard reserves for the past 4 years. I have a bachelor’s degree in criminal justice. I am still waiting on my PTA. Do you think I will get called up this year? I didn’t receive the other email update. Somebody respond.
dnehack
Jul 25, 2007
Anonymous,
The call came from a 703 area code. Thanks for everyone that has helped me along the way. I really appreciate all the insight. As far as the conversation, it was short and to the point. They as if you are interested in the job and then they tell you which location when to report and dollar figure. They answer any questions that you have and are very nice to help you out. Hope this helps. I hope everyone beleaves me now that calls would start going out!!
Mr. Ex
Jul 25, 2007
DNE,
Sounds like your the Lone Ranger as no one else reports receivng a call? 703 is the Northern VA area, Chantilly, Reston Etc., so it may have came from HQ’s, do you recall a name?
Is it for Artesia or Glyco? or is it just Phase II in ACY? Hopefully, they offered you good money………….. At least your in B4 you turn 37! Congrats
dnehack
Jul 25, 2007
Mr Ex,
More calls are going to be going out. They are doing just a few a day. It is for Phase I in Artesia on September 10th. It didnt say anything but 703 0n my cell phone. I WONT be the long ranger. More calls to come. Some of you guys didnt believe me when I said calls will be going out soon! Just trust me now. MORE CALLS TO COME!! Good luck to everyone.
Anonymous
Jul 25, 2007
I got a missed call from just three digits 508 monday. could that have been the fams. if so will they call bak
dnehack
Jul 26, 2007
If it was from the FAMS they would have left a message. It will come from a 703 area code
waiting
Jul 26, 2007
Interested Party,
Did you already complete your medical? If so, when? Is your pta the last step for you?
robert fluke
Jul 26, 2007
What is the current policy on having tattoos, and becoming a FAM?
Another Anonymous
Jul 26, 2007
I just spoke with a friend of mine who is a FAM. It looks like everything is good to go. They are def. doing classes September and October and Calls are surely going out this week.
Interested party
Jul 26, 2007
No, I have not had their physical nor psychological. Thats all I have left. June was a year ago that I began the process. Although,I work-out daily when I get home. I run 3 miles every other day. I have always done this and always will. I am just a health- fitness nut. So, I have been waiting patiently.I think every office does things differently.
dnehack
Jul 26, 2007
Another Anonymous,
I told eveyone that last week, and no one believed me. I also told eveyone that classes would be held in Septemer and October. I would say calls have already went out since I received the call yesterday. Good luck to everyone! Hopefully I can go to class with a lot of you. Remember more calls today!
Another Anonymous
Jul 26, 2007
That’s what’s up man! You must have been highly qualified for the position to have gotten called so early. Are you one of the guys who said got a call last year in september but missed it because of vacation? What happens if you do miss that call? Will they call you back?
Interested Party
Jul 26, 2007
Is there anyone on this forum that has been in the process as long as I have?
Another Anonymous
Jul 26, 2007
I’ve probably been in the process the longest. I was here since July 2005.
Another Anonymous
Jul 26, 2007
Did you have to re-do the entire process over again, like paperwork, interview, etc?
Interested Party
Jul 26, 2007
Sorry, that was me.
dnehack
Jul 26, 2007
Yes that was me that missed the call last year. The only difference is I had the FY07 cut off that screwed me. If you miss a call this time they will leave a message and you just call them back.
Interested Party
Jul 26, 2007
Sorry, I am trying to get used to this posting. The question I asked was, if you, another anonymous, had to start over in the system and re-apply, interview, etc after a year?
Another Anonymous
Jul 26, 2007
Interested Party,
No, I did not have to re-apply or anything. It just took a long time after I submitted my app to get the first interview. I didn’t do anything for exactly 1 year, then I got my first interview which was back in July of 06. Then the process was rolling pretty fast, that is until they notified everyone that they weren’t doing anymore hiring for the fiscal year. so I’ve been done with the process since Jan. 07
dnehack
Jul 26, 2007
Not to much info to pass, I sure hope some of you guys put Boston down on your application!! If not you might just be skipped this go around!
Interested Party
Jul 26, 2007
Thats the first place I chose, but I included all of them. I don’t know why I was sent that e-mail, since I haven’t done the PTA. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks another anonymous.
waiting
Jul 26, 2007
interested party,
What email are you referring to? I am at the last step myself. Just need to complete the pta and I’m done.
Interested Party
Jul 26, 2007
The e-mail that refers to the choices where you would like to work. I think it was 7 different places listed. Boston,NJ,NY,CA,and a few more. That is all I lack is the PTA.(Physical and Psychological.
waiting
Jul 26, 2007
Interested Party,
There is no psychological anymore. There is a mental health certificate form that takes it’s place. You should have received that earlier in the year by email.
Interested Party
Jul 26, 2007
Yes, I did fill it out and returned it with my paperwork, but for some reason I thought there was an interview with a mental health professional. Well, I am with you, then. Just need the PTA. Where did you interview?
waiting
Jul 26, 2007
I’m in FL and been in the process since last Sept. 2006
waiting
Jul 26, 2007
When did you finish your medical? Where are your processing out of?
Interested Party
Jul 26, 2007
I am out of Atlanta, been in the process since June 06
Interested Party
Jul 26, 2007
The only medical part that I have completed is the questionaire that I sent in. I am waiting for their medical and the physical.
Skywalker
Jul 26, 2007
I can’t believe they don’t do the Psyc. Evaluations and test. Alot has changed since I started the process.
Mr. Ex
Jul 26, 2007
I have been told that limited calls have going out as numerous (about 5-10) of those 65 seats will be filled with those who failed out last year! That offers have only been made to those with previous offers at this point. That next week some more offers will be made.
Remember if you have completed a Physical exam by the employer, the agency has given you a conditional offer of employment pending the outcome of the exam. Therfore, if you do not get a call for either of these classes I would be asking questions!!!!!!!!!!!
Mr. Ex
Jul 26, 2007
Just for clarification!
What i am saying if you Passed your Physical exam that you should not have taken until you passed every thing else, your phone should ring according to EEO law!
FAM Medical standards is what the EEO case waiting a decesion is all about! The standard they apply has really nothing to do with the job performed by FAMS besides losely connected because pilots fly planes and you would fly in the plane. This decesion has the potential to impact on over 150 previous applicants.
NO I am not saying that if you did not yet take a physical your phone will not ring……
futureFAM
Jul 26, 2007
I cannot believe that they save the job for those who failed the school. Whats the point of having the school? There are more qualified people who can pass the school waiting and they saved the job for over a year for people who obviously aren’t qualified. Is this normal practice? So, what happens to someone who fails? Do they just work at the fild office for years until the next class goes? Why don’t these people get sent home? I guess its good to know you can fail and still keep the job.
skywalker
Jul 26, 2007
Yea I guess it’s because people may have quit their previous jobs to go to training. Problem is alot of people probably come out of shape. I guess it’s a second chance thing.
Mr. Ex
Thanks for the insight. I have completed the physcial, so I will definetly be expecting the call.
Good luck to everyone!
Interested Party
Jul 26, 2007
Its not Just for people that failed the school. All the ones that I know of that are being sent back to the school were do to injuries. I would sure hope if any of you were injured in phase I or II you would be able to go back and attend the school again!
dnehack
Jul 26, 2007
Its not Just for people that failed the school. All the ones that I know of that are being sent back to the school were do to injuries. I would sure hope if any of you were injured in phase I or II you would be able to go back and attend the school again!
futureFAM
Jul 26, 2007
So is it all the ones who were injured? What do they do, sit in an office until the next class?
I can see how that is different from people just failing. What happens to people who fail (not injuries). So if fitness doesn’t cause someone to get kicked out, and injuries dont, its pretty easy too make it. does anyone ever fail out of the program/
waiting
Jul 27, 2007
Mr. Ex,
I have completed the medical portion of the process along with everything else except the pta. I have been signed off as in excellent health. That being said, would they still make calls to those of us in this situation where we still await the pta because of the EEO law. Either way, I’m almost done so any news is good news.
dnehack
Jul 27, 2007
You wont receive the call until you finish the PTA and then your packet goes to the board.
Mr. Ex.
Jul 27, 2007
Waiting,
The relaity is the PTA is not a pass/fail test it just provides a score for recruiting, that may be used in weighing your ranking.
Once a medical examination is conducted you have at that time received a bona fide offer of employment. No ifs ands or butts in case of the FAMS! They are well aware of this and can not plead ignorance the EEOC OFO gave them this ruling or should I say clarification of the law in their decesions and this ruling has now been cited in various other cases pending within various parts of EEO process.
Mr. Ex.
Jul 27, 2007
DNE,
I would suggest they get busy with the PTA or possibly face a lot of discrimination complaints…. that is what it is once they committ a person to an exam and not provide a job….
I will be posting contact details for the attorney whom is handling a large Chi Town FAMS discrimination lawsuit that will be most likely become class action! especially if they still after being told fail to comply with EEO Regulation, basic civil rights stuff
Skywalker
Jul 27, 2007
Mr. Ex
If you don’t get the call this go around. Will they hire again shortly? Or will we have to wait another year?
Prospective_FAMS
Jul 27, 2007
Hello,
How long did it take you to get through the hiring process,
from interview through the call to the academy?
dnehack
Jul 27, 2007
More calls went out for Boston today! Stay positive.
Skywalker
Jul 27, 2007
Do you know how many calls went out today?
Mr. Ex.
Jul 27, 2007
DNE,
Any truth to the matter that they have not even got the class dates confirmed in Artesia? But are hiring to expend some of the left over money from their ‘law suit fund’ for the year? Apparently, they are appealling a multi million dollar settlement surronding one of the managers previously agreed to.
Apparently CBP gets first chance of all trainings this year in Artesia?
dnehack
Jul 27, 2007
Mr Ex,
No truth to that what so ever. I have my dates for phase I and phase II already.
Interested Party
Jul 27, 2007
dnehack,
Do you think you can find out how many have been called? I still have the medical and the PTA to go? Do you think that only the people that have completed everything will get the calls, or could some of us that haven’t finished everything get a call and finish up the medical and PTA? You seem very reliable with your info. I have been watching this forum for a while, just didn’t ask any questions until now.
Thanks,
Mr. Ex.
Jul 27, 2007
DNE,
What are your dates? Have you been told that DC and NY is getting people as well or just Boston?
flyboy
Jul 27, 2007
i applied Jan 2007 and finished everything in June 2007, you would say a pretty fast process, do you think il get the call this go around?
flyboy
Jul 27, 2007
Does anyone have an idea of why they are calling so few people per day? I would think that they would try to get the calls out a little quicker. If they continue at this rate, people will not have any notice to report. Are they calling based on distance from reporting office? Dne can you or anyone shed any light?
Also, any ide on how many of the 65 are phase I hires and how many are phase II?
futureFAM
Jul 27, 2007
Sorry – last post is mine
famsblinko
Jul 27, 2007
Dnehack-
Are you still in contact with the FAMS? Are you able to call and ask questions or does your contact end when you get the call?
Interested Party
Jul 27, 2007
Flyboy, and skywalker where did you interview?
skywalker
Jul 27, 2007
I interviewed in Atlantic City, NJ
Mr. Ex.
Jul 27, 2007
EEOC NOTICE
Number 915.002
Date 10/10/95
1. SUBJECT: Enforcement Guidance: Preemployment Disability-
Related Questions and Medical Examinations.
2. PURPOSE: This document provides the EEOC’s position under the
Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, on preemployment
disability-related questions and medical examinations.
3. EFFECTIVE DATE: Upon receipt.
4. EXPIRATION DATE: As an exception to EEOC Order 205.001,
Appendix B, Attachment 4, § a(5), this Notice will remain in
effect until rescinded or superseded.
5. ORIGINATOR: ADA Division, Office of Legal Counsel.
6. INSTRUCTIONS: File after Section 902 of Volume II of the
Compliance Manual.
_______________________ ___________________________
Date Gilbert F. Casellas
Chairman
ADA Enforcement Guidance: Preemployment Disability-Related
Questions and Medical Examinations
Introduction
Under the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (the “ADA”),1 an
employer may ask disability-related questions and require medical
examinations of an applicant only after the applicant has been
given a conditional job offer. This Enforcement Guidance explains
these ADA provisions.2
flyboy
Jul 27, 2007
i interviewed in dallas
Mr. Ex.
Jul 27, 2007
Here is a prime example of why the FAM service gets into trouble! It is clear you all interviewed at various locations and had diffrent interviewers. Therfore creating a phonema that doesn’t allow for validation of a process because of inter rater realbility.
My experience within the service would tell me those of you whom interviewed at certain offices would have a lot easier interview than other field offices! therfore having a higher score and be hired first! As managment at some field offices are FAM oriented whilst at others, are not so FAM oriented as they are crony oriented. They should have had a single floating interview panel or had the interview panel at a location and flew you in like in 01/02 recruitment.
It will be interesting to look at the statsitics by percentages of who interviewed where and the race,gender, age and vet prefrence of the new hires!
skywalker
Jul 27, 2007
Mr. Ex
how do you think they would rate you in the different locations? Where did you interview at when you applied back in 01? Also, how many would you say as of right now do you think have completed the entire process? Has this ever happend before with the FAMS where they haven’t hired anyone like this go around?
Thanks man for all the insight
Mr. Ex.
Jul 28, 2007
Skywalker,
Do not want to compare field offices until the data is released, but I’d bet my six on it.
In 01 the reality is many family members and friends of current and past FAMS and current FAA senior employees got hired but was in ACY And in 2002 the interviews took place in ACY as well. A lot of people from other Depts that filled in whilst the service was standing up got direct appointments and continued flying as FAMS.
The system isn’t designed to be fair or merit based!
dnehack
Jul 28, 2007
I dont know where to begin……Give me a second.
dnehack
Jul 28, 2007
Skywalker,
No, I am not sure how many calls went out today!
Interested Party,
If I would have to guess by talking to them, I would say around eight have been called. Yes I think only the ones that are finished with the process will be called or these two classes. You never know though!
Mr Ex,
I am not sure I should post my dates for OPSEC reasons. I dont know if this falls in that category or not. I will tell you that Phase I starts in the second week of September and that Phase II starts the last week in October. Only places I have heard getting calls are Boston and the FO in CA.
Flyboy,
The reason they are calling so few a day is only one person at this time is making calls. There is a lot of paperwork envolved that just making the call. Once you receive the call you have to sign your paperwork and fax back to them. You then have to do your SF86. Background paperwork and send it to OPM. One last thing, the lady that is making the calls is a brand new employee or should I say this is her first time doing the hiring. I dont know how many are Phase I and how many are Phase II.
Famsblinko,
I am still in contact with HR DC. Most of my contact is through my FO though. Yes I can call anytime and ask questions.
Hope I answered all the questions. Feel free to post again if I didnt.
skywalker
Jul 28, 2007
Ok. Thanks for all the info guys. I am surprised that only one person is making the calls with so many people who probably have completed the entire process. But hey what can you do. Gotta sit and wait. I just wonder how many people who are actually done the entire process. I remember one of the agents calling me a few months back asking me to fax some additional info in so he can send it up to the hiring panal. I hope that I am on the up coming list to call.
Also, when I interviewed last year, it seemed like everyone passed that interview. I wonder if everyone goes through the next stages after that or if people were disqualified after.
skywalker
Jul 28, 2007
is dc the hq office?
Mr. Ex.
Jul 29, 2007
DC has a HQ’s and a Field Office amongst other entinties of the FAMS just like the FBI and other FLEO Agencies do.
futureFAM
Jul 29, 2007
DNE-
What’s OPM? Don’t they conduct the BI before hiring? Is the background paperwork any different from what we fillout in the process? Do they do a more complete BI after you get the call? Thats a little strange I would think it would all be done before the offer.
Thanks
futureFAM
Jul 29, 2007
sorry I forgot to ask in the last posb, but How much paperwork do you have to fill out after you get the call? Do they do it over the phone or send it? Do they mention what will happen when you report to the FO?
teamonesniper
Jul 29, 2007
usually don’t do this but just sending out a note for others with more experience in this field (FAMS) to see how you think I would qualify for a FAMS job………..just bored in current position or maybe need a change…I have a family with two small children but live in the Atl. Metro area…have concerns about time away from home….Thanks!
experience: 36yo w/m: 15y LE experience: Homicide Investigator/ SWAT / Sniper/ BSCJ/ tactical rescue/
John
Jul 29, 2007
I have been following this and other forums for a while. It looks like there is finally action on the hiring front. Im concerned with how the job would affect on family and was hoping for some input from some FAMS. I have 2 kids and wondered what a normal schedule is like and how much time I can expect to be away from home. How often are the overnight flights and how often could I expct to be gone for more than one night? If there are any current FAM that can give advice? Thanks
Mr. Ex.
Jul 29, 2007
It is truly a job for one without kids if you want to be a part of their life or maybe even wife/husband, any serious committment to being home regulary is not good! A regular schedule does not exsist! Overnights and several days at a time depends on the needs of the service and your duty location.
if your a godd A.. kisser managment might take a liken to you and give you a “special assignment”, also remember you may start out at one office and end up at another based on the mobility agreement.
John
Jul 30, 2007
Thanks Mr Ex. Thats what I have read before and was afraid of. Just hoping! It would have been a great job but I think I will will be pulling out of the process and find something else to purse for that reason so one less person to worry about. Gotta be able to spend time with the wife and kids. Good luck to everyone else
Juice
Jul 30, 2007
Dnehack, I have question for you. Also congrats on the call, hoping to receive one sooner than later. My question for you is, Did you ever receive a call this time or the first time you were going through the process to fax your transcripts? I think I saw on another forum that you said you did not! I am just wondering because, I have completed everything else as of June 6, another guy who took the PTA with me received a call two days later requesting his transcripts, I never received a call for these and now I sit and wait. I asked the SAC via email and his response was very generic and saying once it leaves for HQ he is out of the loop and they are asked not to request information on an applicant! So just asking you, because you seem like your are in the know.
Nat
Jul 30, 2007
Hi there DNEHACK…I have never posted before…but I see you all the time on these posts. I am a female FAMS applicant…finished with the process June 2007. My packet is in the mix in DC…waiting for the call. Do you know if the order in which you listed your city choices matters? I selected all 7…as long as I have it listed..will they take that into consideration? Thanks for any input..Also do you know if they have called any females yet? Hope to meet you someday in training….
skywalker
Jul 30, 2007
Has anyone else on here gotten any calls? Just curious to see how many are going out.
famsblinko
Jul 30, 2007
Sorry to hear your dropping out John. Its probably a good decision and a smart one for your wife and kids. Hopefully you didnt put to much into this process because Im sure it has been long. Good luck in your future.
dnehack
Jul 30, 2007
Juice,
I was never asked for transcripts, but when I submitted my application I submitted them at that time. Hope this helps.
Nat,
It doesnt matter the order that you list them, just as long as you list the. As far as females. I have no clue. Its definately not a questions I want to ask my POC if you know what I mean. I am sure they are I just dont know.
Juice
Jul 31, 2007
Hey Dnehack thanks for the reply, things just have been crazy like I said I asked my poc if he could shed any light or even let me know if I had already sent them my transcripts, there was no real answer! So I will just wait and see, or as he said Be patient my friend and good luck!
Anonymous
Jul 31, 2007
Thanks D
Nat
Jul 31, 2007
Thanks DNE….I didn’t want you to ask your POC….just curious what your insight was…I will soon find out anyway…and anything helps…as you know. Have fun getting ready to go to Boston!
skywalker
Jul 31, 2007
Juice,
After I completed my PTA, I also got a call to fax in my transcripts. I completed the PT back in Jan. 07 but did not get the call to fax in transcripts until April or May. So it was a while after I completed everything. I did not know you had to send them in. But once I did, the guy said that he is going to forward it to the hiring panel and it was pretty much a sit and wait game from here on out. But good luck in the process.
Dne,
How is the move going thus far? How long did they say orientation was going to be for in Boston? Are calls still going out that you are aware of?
waiting
Jul 31, 2007
Who in the process has been using a recruiter or applicant coordinator from there perspective field offices to keep them informed of their application process?
dnehack
Jul 31, 2007
Waiting,
Good luck if you have a recruiter or coordinator to keep you up to date on what is going out. You would think thats how it should be ran, but for most of us it was not.
Skywalker,
I along with the rest of the Boston guys or gals will be in Boston F.O. from around Aug 20 – Sept 3. We then report to AC for a few days and then off to the great state of NM. Seven to Eight weeks there and then back to AC for another Seven to Eight weeks. Hope this helps. Oh by the way yes calls are still going out.
skywalker
Jul 31, 2007
Dne,
That’s great man. I bet you guys are excited. I hope i get the call this go around. The people that were called, were they all directed to Boston FO or are calls going out for different locations?
Juice
Jul 31, 2007
Dnehack, thanks for getting back to me. Like I said I am just confused I do not know who I sent what to and what not and I just wish the SAC could have at least told me if he knew if they had my transcripts rather than saying once it is at HQ he is out of the loop! Which I can understand that also!
dnehack
Jul 31, 2007
Skywalker,
Going out to different locations, just from what I know Boston, Newark, San Fran and I think but not 100% sure LA.
Juice,
Go to Avue and check on the files that you uploaded to Avue. When I submitted my application I submitted everything and I mean everything through Avue. Like I said I never received a call for transcripts, but I had already submitted them. I really dont think I was hired off of my transcripts anyways.
Juice
Jul 31, 2007
Thanks again Dnehack, did that already could not find it on there, but for some reason I believe I might have sent them with my fingerprint cards. At least I hope that was the case. Unlike you I do not have an abundance of LE, rather grad school an internship with one of the big Agencies and some experience, I kick rear on my PTA, but still have no clue to whats going, I have seen others say they were never asked for transcripts but to me that defies logic! An a guy who PTA with me did on awesome on his and was later asked for his transcirpts but has not heard anythings sense! Just trying to keep the faith!
skywalker
Jul 31, 2007
Juice,
Keep the faith man. It will come eventually. When did you complete everything? Where is the location you tested at? I think they will call us soon man.
Mr. Ex.
Jul 31, 2007
If I go with what I know happens, I say this not to tell you not to keep the hope, but to be honest with you all. Many of you have completed the process or have done everything but the PTA. You will not be offered a job….. thats the reality. Simply because they have more or as they put it better qualified people in the processes.
I have knowledge of this and heard of this from more than reliable people time and time again. Does it make it right? NO but most people just say oh well and let their rights be violated, although as a LEO your jobs to uphold the law and protect the rights.
If you completed the medical examination, I’d be asking when am I going to be hired as they have made you a bonafide offer of employment, if they deny this they still viloated your rights, it is a catch 22 for them. I do not understand how they do their HR practices so unethically but hold their staff to such high standards, well the FAMS at least. Of course I’d ask via a certfied letter with a nice tone of voice, to keep the evidence!
If you want to file a discrimination against the service, Gerardo S. Gutierrez, Esq. can be reached at his office(312) 786-9970. His address is 53 W. Jackson Blvd. Ste. 1122 Chicago, IL 60604. Or know of any discrimination he may want to hear from you as well as he is handling one of the cases out of the Chicago Field Office that may become a class action suit.
Interested Party
Jul 31, 2007
Well, If They have better qualified people, and we won’t be hired, why don’t they send us an e-mail or letter explaining this. I think they are supposed to let us know one way or the other, right?
skywalker
Jul 31, 2007
Yea,
Thats crazy that they would keep us in the loop of things and have us get our hopes up for nothing. Hey Ex, do you have a HR contact or anyone who I can call to check my status. I’ve been done with the entire process since Jan. They asked me to send back my transcripts a couple of months ago, But I haven’t heard anything since.
Interested party
Jul 31, 2007
dnehack,
Do you think that you can shed some light on this for us. I started the process in June 06, completed all except the PTA and Medical. Haven’t heard anything since April 28th. What is going on. Could you find out for us. Let us know if you agree with Mr. Ex. You have been right all along. Some insight is needed here. Thanks, in advance.
Juice
Aug 01, 2007
Hey Skywalker,
thanks for the comment, but sometimes I definitely feel what MR. EX is saying. On the note of when did I complete everything I really could not tell you if I am complete! I have done my PTA and everything else, except for the infamous faxing of the transcripts, that was June 6 or 7 that I did my PTA. The man in charge told us that there was a class already beginning to form and that there might be a second class come September or October and that is when we (as in the four guys who took the PTA that day) should be looking for a call or an email! But I have recently seen on forums that people have indeed receive the infamous DQ letter from Avue. It makes sense that they would not send this to everyone who was not most qualified because if some of the most qualified candidates went to other agencies the would need to move down the pecking order! I mean you have top tier players and second tier players right that is how all things are organised! But it seem unfortunate that this agency as well as almost all agencies are hurting for qualified people at this point but do not or will not have the funding to add enough people to meet the attrition, retirement, and firing rates!
I applied out of the Midwest if that helps you any!
Mr.EX
I am not sure what you are talking about. I did indeed go to the medical which was a headache because being a former DI athlete I have had several surgeries and needed so much documentation I should have just wrote them a book and then was indeed medically cleared at that point and a month later I took my PTA, passed with flying colors and was told that this was the final step, but at no time did I receive a bona fide offer or was I ever asked to fax my transcrips. Maybe I am missing something with you comments that I am not properly following.
By the way seeing that you are MR.EX when you intially went through the process did you have to send in your transcripts.
Mr. Ex
Aug 01, 2007
Skywalker,
I know several but they consider that info SSI unless they release it! I think if DNE is going to be honest when he gets to training he will let us know he does not have 65 people in his class!
Nat
Aug 01, 2007
I know they are still making calls….although I heard its VERY limited. Can someone with a reliable POC let us know when they stop? At this point…that might be more useful information. Thanks…
Mr. Ex
Aug 01, 2007
Juice,
If you did a medical examination by law you have to received a BonaFide offer of employment. they can not conduct the medical without it! Hence you did miss something, like all other past and present they skip this step deliberetly and than will say posthoc if they do not hire you that you received it! I have heard they have modfied the medical standards recently, but any little thing see the specalist provide proof.
I think many people would have provided copies of transcripts, as they may have been done their studies whilst others studying or recently finished may be asked for copies of transcripts. Do not think thats something generally faxed..
I think their intention is to run a second class this calendar year as well.
I hope everyone gets what they want, and than does not regret it later!
skywalker
Aug 01, 2007
Juice,
What sport did you play for DI. I am a former DI athlete as well. I also went through the same headache when I went through medical because I also had surgeries. I had to go back to my school and retrieve all my medical records.
Mr. Ex
If I took the medical back in August of last year, do you think I would be considered for the next class. It seems like I just been in the mix for a long time. Also, how many people do you think actually make it to the medical or the PTA part of the process. Because it seems like when I interviewed last year, everyone pretty much passed and did the drug test and the Psyc. test (800 questions). I just pretty much would like to know how many people are waiting with everything complete.
Dne,
Do you know when calls will stop for this class? I’m pretty sure they will stop soon. Simply because you and the guys have to report on the 20th.
Thanks everyone for all the info
Nat
Aug 01, 2007
FYI…found out from HR that some of us who didnt make this 2007 list…may be on a 2008 list. They are not processing those eligible in “my group” at this time. I just finished with the hiring board (was recommended) in June 2007. DNE and his classmates…if you will notice…have been done for a while, and have been eligible…rightfully so. If anyone else is in the same boat..we will just have to be paitient a little while longer…and at least for me…2008 could be the year. Hope this helps..
skywalker
Aug 01, 2007
Nat,
thanks for the info, I kind of figured that would be the case. I have been done with everything since Jan. 07 but the agent who called me requesting transcripts told me he was forwarding my packet to the hiring board which was in May or June also. So believe we are in the same boat Nat. 2008, may be the year. 2008 for Fams is only a few months away. October is their new fiscal year.
Interested Party
Aug 01, 2007
I would like to know if we will get a letter one way or the other?
Interested Party
Aug 01, 2007
Nat, do you know about the ones that are still waiting for the PTA and medical exam?
Waiting
Aug 01, 2007
What about the ones including myself who have completed the medical this year and are waiting to finish with the pta?
skywalker
Aug 01, 2007
Yea i’m not sure about the guys who haven’t completed the pta. I was actually in you guys situation last year and I didn’t complete pta until jan.
Juice
Aug 01, 2007
Hey Mr. EX thanks for the information, hopefully I will not have to go that avenue, but it is nice to know all of you options! So if I can ask what agency are you with now? It really seems like no agencies are hiring in droves. That might have to do with the 10 billion plus be spent in Iraq each month.
Hey Skywalker, I am a former D1 soccer player it wrecked havoc on my body with having both ankles needing to be fixed but I am as good as gold now. I would just like to get to FLETC and try for one of these fitness awards!
Mr. Ex.
Aug 02, 2007
Juice,
I do not really disclose any personal information about myself on a public forum so to speak!
Some of you may want to think about this as well if your just hanging out so to speak. that if you become a screener or another job in the 1800 series within the TSA you may be considered an internal applicant. As previously they invited internal applicants only from the TSA to apply.
I think that some agencies are hiring in droves, the border patrol just hired and continue to hire in droves! Other agencies are hiring larger numbers than they have in a long time! FAMS are loosing large numbers but not hiring large numbers, if another 9/11 happened I do not think a please explain would be in order but a bigger than Ben Hur investigation and criminal charges as well as civil matters against every SES in the service.
its no secret probing is happening and other things that places this scenario not to far from fiction. as they get it right 1 time and we have to get it right every time! I get frustrated to see the gross mismanagment and the unethical decesion making that happens with the FAM Service. how much authority does all these ex- SS Agents have? I thought Dana being a Viet Vet would stand up to the ….. and bring good change to mangment… second guess myself now.
skywalker
Aug 02, 2007
Soccer! Oh man, you are in really good shape then. That’s alot of running involved in that sport. I played FB at least we had breaks between each play. I’m sure you would destroy the fitness test then. But yea football did a toll on me too so I understand where you are coming from.
Juice
Aug 02, 2007
Hey Skywalker, yeah soccer keeps the fitness up, but so does football with all of the strength training! The pta was not to bad after college, I got really big into lifting and fitness in general. I guess just having that big void of two hour practices and one hour in the gym during season gone, so I took up lifting and road biking to keep myself sane once I finished in the off-season and it has carried over since college. Where did you play ball at?
Nat
Aug 02, 2007
Interested party, I hate to say it…but if you havent gone forward yet with medical/pta…I dont know if it will happen anytime soon. I was told they are only doing those in certain “highly rated” groups. I know in Denver..the field office has almost come to a standstill with PTA’s at this time. It only took me about 6mths to finish the process…I was lucky I guess…but still waiting to see what 2008 brings.
Anyone know if there is going to be another class before Oct..from the current 2007 list…or are the calls that are supposed to be going out end of Aug are for the 2008 fiscal year?
skywalker
Aug 02, 2007
Yea i’m not sure Nat, I’ve heard that the class for september is getting full so it looks like it may be the 2008 class that will get the call by the end of Aug.
Juice,
I played for RU, Yea football def. kept me in good shape and it really helped mentally. What school did you play for?
Waiting2
Aug 02, 2007
I read on another forum that they might be hiring enough in the next week or so to fill 3 or 4 classes. I noticed that Bostton seems to be the priority. Does anyone have the phone number or contact for the Boston FO? Id like to call to get some information on the area.
Also does anyone know anything about training – the hours and schedule. Are we allowed to stay in hotels or go away on the weekends? Is there anything around to do?Thanks.
Mr. Ex.
Aug 02, 2007
Do not get stuck on Boston FO being a priority… other field offices are getting new hires as well. It just so happens DNE got the BFO.
I have followed up on a few things, and it would appear that they have money from FY 2007 budget and that they will spend it for sevral things, one thing is for newbies!
They will not hire over the next few weeks for enough people for 3-4 classes, as that means you will sit around and do nothing for weeks/months!
Go to FLETC website for an idea of Artesia…. Phase II is a lot more relaxed and more like a normal job depending on several variables, but it will be winter/off peak so to speak session for ACY by the time the first class reaches there.
Word to the wise any dramas during Tng they will let you go, dismissed as a Prob with little recourse in the MSPB or else where normally. Surely no internal accountability, so maybe it is safer to venture outwards on a limited basis and better to stay focused.
skywalker
Aug 02, 2007
Waiting2,
How did you get that information? I hope it is true. But as what EX said, it would mean a bunch of us just sitting around at the FO and doing nothing. I believe alot of that happened last year when the new guys came in.
dnehack
Aug 02, 2007
waiting2,
Boston isnt the only priority. They are hiring at other FO also. As far as enough for four classes that is not what I have heard. I am not saying that your wrong just not what I am hearing. I’m not sure you will get anyone to give you the Boston F.O. number. Thats sensitive information. You might be able to find it online if you check hard enough.
Mr. Ex.
Aug 02, 2007
DNE,
This is funny that you state this information is sensitive and your not yet an employee of DHS/TSA (although your right). It is funny because managment released so much SSI and nothing happens and as soon as they want to use it against someone even though it wasn’t marked as such it is an issue! Such as the legal case is with the FLEOA VP at the time Rob. Simply and clearly retaliatory……..
If I was looking for FAM Contacts, names, addresses and telephone numbers I would probably start by going to the web site for Police Chief Magazine and search their new members with the term federal marshal or maybe similar values. probably get some HR contacts and other important info! I saw this on another site posted havent tried it myself though.
if anyone has any sucess it would be intersting to hear what people find from their web searches and the search engines used.
Waiting2
Aug 02, 2007
Thanks DNE and Mr Ex. I will let you know if I find it and if I do, I won’t repost since it is sensative info. Mr. Ex, when are you actually considered an emloyee of DHS/TSA. I would have thought we would be an employee after we agree to an offer and report date. What else is involved after that point?
Thanks
Mr. Ex.
Aug 03, 2007
Waiting 2,
The definition of an employee is one that may take various definitions. The courts use a diffrent definition depending on the allegations and the jurisdiction and varies from one court to anoththan is used to apply for internal positions.
Ata mimum you have to start the employment not just sign an agreement.
Also depends on your past employment and the agreement you sign when your employed.
Mr Ex
Aug 03, 2007
I may not have started with FAMS yet, but have been around long enough to know what is sensitive and what is not. They stress it all the time in the Military.
Good luck to everyone!
skywalker
Aug 03, 2007
Have calls stopped going out? I haven’t heard any people say they got a call in a while. If calls are still being made, does anyone know as to when they will stop?
Juice
Aug 03, 2007
Hey Skywalker, I played at small school called University of North Carolina Asheville. Great school, not so good soccer though! But an amazing time all in all! So did you major in CJ? Have you gone to grad school? Are you working as LE currently? Rutgers eh that must have been sweet!
Mr. Ex do you post as some one else on here also, there seems to be other writings that look very much like yours!
skywalker
Aug 03, 2007
Juice,
Yes, I majored in CJ. Yea, college sports was fun, wish I could go back again. I haven’t went back to grad school yet but I plan on doing so in the near future. I’m not currently working as an LE officer. I want to get into some type of LE but it just takes a long time especially when your pretty much just out of college. But I do have investigator experience working for state offices.
Mr. Ex.
Aug 03, 2007
I only post as Mr. Ex., the one time it posted as someone else I quickly said it was my post in the one following! I am only one person no need to post as several people!
A lot of people have the same view as me about the service… Ask DNE about he responses he got from some of the other sites he posted on!
Mr. Ex.
Aug 03, 2007
Well it sounds like your job is only a bus ride away, since FAMS are now working on Buses.
Juice
Aug 04, 2007
Hey Skywalker I can totally understand about wanting to go back and do it over again if we knew than what we know now, wow what a different story right! I ended up having my ankle reconstructed my junior year and decided not to red-shirt my senior year because I had had enough. Well afterwards decided to give a go at the pro leagues and had to have my other ankle done. So decided to get big and ended up with sports hernia on both sides of my stomach! Like I said I wish knew that same things back in the day as I know now. It seems that le jobs in general are hard to come by, a lot of le jobs around here are only taking laterals and the others would like my to pay my own training which is scary if you stack that upon my student loans. I have some invest. work also I did an amazing internship with a Fed Agency but they were not and still not hiring so that did not help.
Hey Mr. Ex no offence with the comment as a second poster! I actually enjoy your sarcasm and honesty with all of this! Kind of eases the impatient that the gov. seems to install in all of there hiring!
Has anyone read on another post what some nut said about hiring four classes worth in the next two weeks, obviously someone trying to spread rumint! Hope the best for everyone, fingers crossed ladies and gents, and pray for a big budget in 08.
Juice
Aug 04, 2007
Hey Mr. EX I must apologize I think I confused you with X-fam who was posting a while back. My bad and good luck brother!
hopeful
Aug 05, 2007
I have filled out a application in april/may of 07, immediately received a conditional offer and asked to submit paperwork and an sf-86. I did that and a few weeks later was asked to submit fingerprints. I did and I haven’t heard simce. I received a letter via e-mail saying that they were closing the announcement I applied under in july. Since I applied b4 july I figure I’m still in consideration. I know it hasn’t been to long but I hear that when they want you they fast track the process. Can anyone give some insite into when I may get more contact? My background is a MS in Criminal Justice/Advanced Forensice Investigation and 2 yrs LEO Experience in a Major US city. also I’m looking for a way to cantact a recruter in the NY field office, anyone have contact info? Thanks
waiting
Aug 05, 2007
Hopeful,
You need alot of patience when going through this process. I know of one applicant who was rushed through and completed everything including medical and pta in under 6 months this year and hasn’t heard anthing since. Some have taken over 2 years and have not completed half of the steps. The process varies from one applicant to another. As far as when you might hear anything further is anyone’s guess. Good luck and just have patience, alot of patience because there are thousands of applicants.
skywalker
Aug 05, 2007
Yes, Patience is the key in this process. Has anyone heard any other news?
vick
Aug 06, 2007
Yup,patience is the key,just recently submitted my backgroung, maybe if i get lucky i can do it in 6 months? But,in my opinion,i think you should have prior military or L/E exp.. Being single also will make a diff,and knowing how to shoot or having a license to carry a firearm. I’ll try keep the newbies with more info. as time goes bye.
Mr. Ex.
Aug 06, 2007
I noticed FAMS are trying to recruit a new HR Position for reston. This may be a good sign for all! However, i also heard they hired/offered all the places for the first class out.
I have alot of ources within the service, and other places in DHS. I find them to be rahter straight forward with me and honest. As, one said I think it takes a lot to stand up for whats right and not popular with such a retaliatory agency! I simply explain I want the best goverment in the world and therfore we should have the best people leading! Thats why I do not play party politics like many!
You guys n girls need to be patient and remember that this is a simple job with diffucult work conditions. Entry level FLEO job for the most part with the potential to assume some other Federal LAW duties in partnership with other agencies.
flyboy
Aug 06, 2007
I finished the process in six months also this year. I still got the faith
Waiting2
Aug 06, 2007
vick – I dont think being single has anything to do with getting hired. Im sure that most applicants are single because of the work conditions and the time away. It would be a very difficult job for anyone with a family but I dont think many applicants have families. I also dont think the FAMS takes that into consideration. I think the general consensus is that those who are already done are most likely going to be called. Those who have not finished are not likely to be hired soon. I could be wrong so good luck, but that seems to be what most in the process understand.
famsblinko
Aug 06, 2007
DNE Do you know if all the calls have gone out? I havent seen any word of action in a while. do you know what is going on in this process? thanks
Cmike
Aug 06, 2007
Mr. Ex,
Hey what do you think about the 2007 9/11 Commission bill? It looks like TSA will have their hands full for the next few years trying to fill all those jobs. It’s also good that TSA will be held accountable for all that money that congress is about to hand over to them.
All those applicants out there may not have to wait much longer. Give it 5 more months, and TSA will be knocking doors down to offer applicants jobs (HAHAHA)!
Hopeful
Aug 07, 2007
I just talked to a FAM recruiter abd to someone at Avue and they both told me the same thing. “FAMS has reached sufficent applicants to meet their need right now, therefore hiring has slowed down.” They informed me that as long as all your information was submitted and certified by june 29th then you are in their “applicant pool” and will be considered once more openings become avaliable. This is all I could get out of these people so I hope it helps.
I know I’m going to keep up the faith and hope for something. Also for all of you who think you can’t have a family and do this job….it just makes it harder. Its not much different than working a 60+ hour per week job. (from what I hear)
waiting2
Aug 07, 2007
hopeful, keep up the hope. As long as we are in the pool we have a chance. I dont think anyone has said that you cannot have a family and do this job. In my last post, I was stating that this job would be difficult for someone with a family but the emphasis was that the FAMS does not care if someone has a family or if they are single – being single does not help you get the job. Anyone can have a family and do this job but it is going to be at the expense of the family.
Mr. Ex.
Aug 07, 2007
Lets clear the air hear quickly! Married or single isn’t a selection factor, if it was I’d venture to say the married person would be hired first!
They have responsibilities and have to keep working even if the working conditions are bad and most of the time they will have mortgages etc…… and are accountable to someone else as well as the service.
Single people tend to take a little more risk and be a little more naughty so to speak. These are facts, although not sterotyping it is generalizing based on statistical inferences.
The other thing is for some married people this provides for a better relationship, as time together is cherished and everyone gets some space, another fact.
So the reality is what you make of it and how you handle things is based on the individuals circumstances and not on your marital status. Just keep your mind and eyes open, stay vigilant and you can survive the service along with your family, friends and loved ones.
john
Aug 08, 2007
did anyone get an email last night from avue, letting them know what their application status is?
Anonymous
Aug 08, 2007
no what it say john?
skywalker
Aug 08, 2007
No, I didn’t recieve anything either. What did it say John?
Thanks Mr. Ex for letting us know that. I just got married last year and was worried about that.
john
Aug 08, 2007
just the standard “We are processing better applicants at this time”. The DQ letter after one year “WOW”!
waiting
Aug 08, 2007
John,
What is your background? Do you have military or law enforcement exp.? What was your last step you completed?
skywalker
Aug 08, 2007
Yea, how far along have you come? I just want to see how they are going about this.
waiting
Aug 08, 2007
Just read on another forum someone else got the email. I guess they are sifting through the mess of applicants comparing them for consideration. Also, spoke with a recruiter last night and he said they have thousands of applications at HQ. Just a guess, but, considering the amount of applicants if you don’t bring some sort of LEO or military exp. you might get bumped.
Mr. Ex.
Aug 08, 2007
You figure they would have received over 25,000 applications via AVUE, than they determine who does or does not meet the minmium critera before you go on any further. Than they determine Highly Qualified or not.. if Highly Qualified you move forward.
My guess would be If you have recent Federal Leo and/ Military you will get in, if You have LEO/Military you should get in based on the rule of 3. And surely if you know a member of managment you will get in!
If you have one but not the other you better bring something to the table, they want. I think some of you might have a better chance of getting in than others based on some charectirestics you have……
Have your interview skills sharp like a razor and have shown whilst your waiting some self improvement. Also be able to score well on the fitness, as this is a deciding factor for some and they have been clear on this… their will be some exceptions here.
Just hang in there if it is meant to be it is meant to be! Do not stop life apply for other jobs whilst you wait to pass time.
john
Aug 08, 2007
Mr. Ex. may be right on this. I have just about three years in state law enforcement and a BS degree in Criminal Justice. I finished all of the steps in the process last September. I am trying to check the validity of the email, but haven’t had much luck yet.
Mr. Ex.
Aug 08, 2007
At the risk of sounding like a broken toy… but John you said you finished everything last September? What did the email say? If you submited to a medical examination and passed and they have now said thanks but no thanks. I would turn to EEO for a complaint…. as it would be reasonable to beleive now you have been discriminated against.
They will call your bluff as it is a biased process, but I would think more likely than not you would succeed when it got to the EEOC OFO on an appeal from the FAD. One thing to do is ask them to place a legal hold on all applicants similary situated to you and your own information or it will all dissapear.
I think the FAMS FLEOA has a person whom would be willing to help you guys and girls with this process as they are very equality and justice oriented.
Interested party
Aug 08, 2007
John,
What office are you out of? Did you have anything in your background that could have caused this?
john
Aug 08, 2007
Interested party, my background is A-one clean. No concerns there or with my credit.
Mr. Ex., I may look in to that if I don’t get the right answers tomorrow. Thanks for the advice.
skywalker
Aug 09, 2007
John,
So you completed all the steps? PTA, Medical, and pysc and they still processed that DQ letter. Wow, I can’t believe that.
Anonymous
Aug 09, 2007
I got a call today there sending my packet to hiring panel.
skywalker
Aug 09, 2007
Congrats Anonymous,
What did the guy say when he called. Did you have to send them anything back in? How long have you been in the process for?
Mr. Ex.
Aug 09, 2007
What is happening is they are trying to get enough people whom they think are highest qualified of the highly qualfied for the next class or two finished up!
Boys and girls if you get a rejected letter and already completed the medical contact TSA EEO. and quote what I posted previous in your complaint! What do you have to loose, you already been violated! I will ask someone to assist you all if you want in the process.
If I was a minority, or a person of color or within that 34-37 age range, I’d really make it an issue as this is the groups they tend to weed out.
Interested party
Aug 09, 2007
John,
Where did you interview?
skywalker
Aug 09, 2007
Mr. Ex,
I recieved that call as well back in May. The guy asked for my transcripts so he can send my packet to the hiring board. My question to you is do you think that I have a chance to make it to the next class? If one makes it that far, do they pretty much have the job on lock or can one still get that DQ letter?
Anonymous
Aug 09, 2007
skywalker,
I started jan 07. they just wanted to verify info
Mr. Ex.
Aug 09, 2007
Skywalker,
Anything goes with the service, they have some things lacking and one of them if fair and equitable recruiting methods. most do not comply with federal law and as i said before you should have received a bona fide offer before you are given a medical exam and than it is a matter of passing a physical exam and your hired.
Anonymous
Aug 09, 2007
how long does it take to get hired after they send your packet to the panel
skywalker
Aug 09, 2007
So what you are saying is that I should have been offered now. I wish that would have happened. I’m sure it will eventually. I just don’t understand how some people were pushed through so fast and others have been slow.
Anonymous
Aug 09, 2007
is it true if you get push through fast, they want you?
Mr. Ex.
Aug 09, 2007
What I am simply saying because you get an interview or your packet goes to a panel they may not hire you. You may have finished the whole process and just simply get a letter. as, they constantly review and re-rank your qualifications.
You would like to think being a Federal Law Enforcement Agency, they would adhere to the law. They do not and just like law enforcements job is to keep the criminals either honest or accountable, you need to do the same to them. hence the SYSTEMS of MSPB, EEOC and other remedies to do so.
If you choose to let them erode your rights and violate the law, one may ponder, if they would have become a employee would they have just left the criminal do what they wanted?
Whats the FAMS Motto? Unseen, Unheard, Unafraid in this instance it creates a paradigm.
Anonymous
Aug 09, 2007
“is it true if you get push through fast, they want you?” NOT AT ALL, well they may want you in away you my not want wanted or who knows your anonymous you may want wanted like that
skywalker
Aug 09, 2007
So it goes down like that? That’s crazy that they would put people through that whole process just to tell them no thanks better luck next time.
Dizzy
Aug 10, 2007
I am kind of surprised that some of you are in the slightest also surprised about some applicants being pushed through faster than others. Its the same way in local and state law enforcement agencies. Some applicants have a higher level of training and experience and their skills may be what the agency needs. Now, I do agree with X-man that the medical information should not have been questioned if you were not going to be offered a job, but I have never been in a federal law enforcment position before and this was my first time applying. I have not received any new “emails” stating anything and I have not called anyone to find out my status. After reading most of the posts, I certainly do not have my hopes up. If the call comes… WONDERFUL. If it doesnt, well, its life as usual. I wish everyone the best though. So far it seems that 2 from this forum are on their way! Awesome! Hopefully and soon it will be more of us. GodSpeed!
USAF
Aug 12, 2007
I recieved that new email on the 10th of August. However it wasn’t good news. I was disqualified because two paid judgments were not removed from my credit report according to the personnel security office. I tried to tell the lady that I had proof of the payments but she said it would be no use in sending them in. I tried to tell I still had an active TS SCI but I guess that did not matter either.
However she did say there will be another vacancy advertisement in October of 07 for more applicants. I guess I should have been checking my credit report looks like I will remain a city cop for a while longer.
USAF
Aug 12, 2007
Oh yeah good luck to the rest of the applicants out there. See ya around……………
Mr. Ex.
Aug 12, 2007
USAF,
If you completed the medical and interview etc., they must provide you an oppurtunity to proof your credit report is wrong or put your argument forth for your clearance. This is important, as when your TS comes up for renewal you will have to disclose that you have been denied a clearance!!!!! NOT GOOD
I would follow this up with a certfied letter to them for sure to cover your six.
waiting2
Aug 12, 2007
USAF- That sucks. I cant remember if I have seen you on the list of those who were hired.
Is this someting that came about in your background investigation or your security clearance investigation? I have read on other forums in the past that even people with bankruptcies had become fams. It is surprising that you would be DQ’d because of that. I think I would try to get a second opinion if I was you unless they have increased the credit standards.
Does anyone have any input on the affect of credit on this job?
waiting2
Aug 12, 2007
USAF- How long ago were those 2 paid judements? If they were really recent, that might be one reason, but still that seems a little harsh. Good luck man.
famsblinko
Aug 13, 2007
DNEhack,
Have you heard about them opening another announcement in Oct 2007? Can you find out if this is true. I just don’t understand why they would to that with so many people who have gone through the process and waiting on the call. It doen’t make much sense. Actually a lot of this process doesn’t make much sense so maybe it does make sense that they would start all over and pass over those of us who are done and waiting.
Famsblinko
Aug 13, 2007
I have reason to beleive this is correct…. as they tend to have an open annoncement to get the best qualified or hire people they want to hire, family friends.
Remember your good for one year from the date you apply the list will quickly diminish. If they do and it is a new announcement number I’d apply again unless directed otherwise.
Mr.EX
Aug 13, 2007
sorry that was for not from Famsblinko
skywalker
Aug 13, 2007
USAF, That is horrible news man. That sucks to have gone through the whole process to be told that. Well def. see if you can get a second opinion.
famsblinko
Aug 14, 2007
To anyone who can answer
is there a difference between the securtiy clearance and backround investigation? If so, what is it? I though they checked the credit towards the beginning of the process. Has anyone else heard of what happend to USAF before? I am worried because I have had some credit trouble in the past over 5 1/2 years ago. Any advice would be appreciated. It would suck to pass everything and still get DQ’d for that. thanks
D. Rich
Aug 14, 2007
Does anyone on this forum know much about the Border Patrol? I have an interview scheduled with them in two weeks? Has anyone on this forum interviewed with them? If so, what kinds of questions did they ask?
FYI to those on this forum. The Border Patrol must really be in need of agents because shortly after I found out that I had passed the battery of tests, I was sent a packet containing documents that I needed to send back to them ASAP, called to schedule a medical evaluation, and sent a letter informing me of an interview date, all within a two week time frame. Some of you may wish to apply to the Border Patrol as well, especially in light of the extremely delayed FAMS hiring process.
Dizzy
Aug 14, 2007
D. Rich
You are correct. BP is in dire need of people and they do have an extreme hiring push- supported by the Pres to boot! I wish you the best of luck! I applied with them years ago and dropped out because I did not want to move to Arizona, Texas, NM, Southern Cali or anywhere HOT for that matter. (Go figure, I am in FL) From people I know in BP, its what you make of it. It can be bad and it can be good. One person did a great job and rose to the rank of Captain in a few short years. I am not sure what questions they ask in the interview. More than likely it will be the same general law enforcement questions with more attention to deportation laws and maybe even use of force due to recent BP news. They may even test you again on your ability to speak Spanish!
Good Luck and God Speed!
skywalker
Aug 14, 2007
Yes,
I was in the process of BP a few years ago too. Actually that was the first place I applied to straight out of college. Unfortunately, I didn’t do that great on the battery test. I was not that fluent with my spanish. But good luck to you.
Mr. Ex
Aug 14, 2007
The BI is a portion of the clearance process. however, FAM Services does not and can not exclude you unless they clearance process happens. if all else is equal as part of the review to see if they will provide you a waiver or not they do a credit check, criminal history etc…, all this can do is preclude you from a waiver not employment at this point.
if your denied employment based on credit chances are you submitted your clearance paper work and the investigative agency did your clearance and the agency determined your not eligable for a clearance. All of this than gets sent of to Boyers, PA and the next clearance you apply for will search for archives. hence the importance of appealing their decesion……..
famsblinko
Aug 14, 2007
Thanks Mr Ex, so at what point does a person receive the email that USAF received? Hopefully he has not been denied employment. Something doesn’t sound right there, especially if he has a TS clearance already.
Mr. Ex
Aug 15, 2007
Famsblinko,
Sounds like they did his security screening and denied his security his TS. If they are denying him a waiver and may be employed latter they should state this!
As having a TS assuming from DOD it may not be transferrable hence the seperate investigation and this credit thingcould have been whilst his current clearance has been valid.
if these are the facts! His next TS will most likely be denied based on a denial from a previous agency which he must appeal to save his TS SBI. This goes for anyone ever denied a clearance you have appeal rights.
skywalker
Aug 17, 2007
Are calls still going out? Does anyone have any information.
Juice
Aug 17, 2007
Hey Skywalker, on another forum several people have reported that they have received calls for a Sept report date to there respect FO and a EOD in October. This kind of confuses me because I was under the infulence that if there was a class in FY08 they would not know if the funding was available until end of Sept or begining of Oct when the budget actually is released! Also I just found out there was a big screw up with my medical release and now I am trying hard to get this problem resolved.
flyboy
Aug 17, 2007
yes calls our still going out skywalker, its just a matter of time now, they called me last week and told me my packet is headed to hiring panel, i know i havent been in the process that long considering, but 7 months is still long to me.
skywalker
Aug 17, 2007
Thanks Juice and flyboy for the info.
Juice,
I’m not sure how they are working it right now with the 08 fiscal year. It confuses me too. Also, when they get the budget for the new year, will the people get called at the begining or the end of the year.
flyboy,
7 months is not that bad, try 2 1/2 years..haha. I’ve been waiting forever. But it’s cool though, it’s not like sitting around not working or anything. It’s just I put so much into this process ya know. But yea I actually recieved that call about the packet being sent to the hiring panel back in May, so I hope a call will be coming soon.
Good luck to the rest of you
waiting
Aug 17, 2007
Juice,
This is just a hunch on my part, but, maybe other FAMS could provide some insight. Probably what happened is they had money left over for FY07 and that is where the funding came for clasess in Sept. and Oct. The new money for FY08 will not be released until after October some time. As far as when the calls for FY08 go out is anyones guess. Probably not until they know how many positions they have been given with the new budget and when the academies could be scheduled.
Juice
Aug 17, 2007
Hey Skywalker, I have no idea what is really going on with when the budget is released or when calls will go out. What I do know that as of now the budget for fy08 at this point is about 8million dollars more than fy07! I believe though that I am still in the process I will not hear anything for a long time. After kicking a__ on my pta and turning in mhc, it was never recertified by the DOC and was sitting at the office since MAY and he just faxed up NJ two days ago and it will not be reviewed until Tues by the DOC it seems that if I had a chance I am now at the bottom of heap due to a doctors incompetence and someone in NJ telling that everything was complete on that end back in JUNE!
Waiting thanks for the info I am pretty sure you are right on this, I know that other agencies such as the DEA are doing the same thing with money they just happened to find to fund an OCT. class. Like I said with the budget it does not seem like much of an increase to get much hiring done and pay for raises and new gear. I just wish like everyone else I would have received the call for my transcripts, but like I said it looks like I have been in a fubar situation with my medical. Just have to keep my head up and keep trucking, I know this is were I want to be.
Mr. Ex
Aug 17, 2007
The question may have been are calls going out to fill class dates? The answer is no….. they are making some calls to see if people are still interested before they forward their file to the review panel.
As, I understand it they wasted a lot of time forwarding and reviewing files to make various determinations and many potential FAMS got other employment or changed their minds.
They already know their 2008 budget and how many training classes have been allocated… the real question is will they continue to make it a low priority and divert funds? I would think not as they are trying to recruit a HR helper to assist in the recruitng process as they know their process is poor at best and needs improvement.
Plus I would not want to be the one who fronts up to congress saying that the OSC found we lied in our reports and we did nothing to correct the reporting process, worst yet that we did not meet the requirments of the legislation for the amount of flights we must cover. Of course the following question would be WHY, no one wants to say we diverted recruitment and training funds. This would be the end of his carrer and many others I am sure.
skywalker
Aug 17, 2007
so no more calls are going out? Well I guess that means more waiting for me. Thanks X for the insight.
futureFAM
Aug 19, 2007
What if some people fail out of FLETC or Phase II in the next class coming up (for reasons other than being injured during training). Is it possible that the FAMS would call more people to get them in the next class to make up for those who failed out of the first batch?
Mr. Ex.
Aug 19, 2007
Keep in mind a class can only support so many students! Therfore, it is highly unlikely. As the service would argue they already paid FLETC the money for their training slot, and do not have the additional funds.
The number would normally be small that fails at FLETC, a larger number fails Phase II or should I say leaves the service during Phase II. As they do not really fail but are either pushed or jump out of the plane before it gets to far down the runway and they can not stop the forward momento.
NKramer
Aug 20, 2007
I filled out my applicaiton on AVUE in 04/06. I finally had my panel interview in 07/06. Since then, I met with the agency several times, (Med. eval, PT test, Written test, Psych eval). I feel like I have completed every test or exam possible and still…nothing. My last meeting was the psych eval in 11/06. Then every few months I would receive a letter or an e-mail from avue stating that if I was still interested to resubmit my application. I have done so about three times. Recently, since I haven’t heard anything I checked avue, and it said that my section had been closed. What does this mean? Is there anything that I could do about it? I would love to have this career.
Juice
Aug 20, 2007
NKramer, did you fax your transcripts to VA? If not you are like me, which means you are in purgatory. They have hired the only two classes they are going to hired for fy07 and they may wait till the end of fy08 and from an understanding the may are ready have a decent list for classes in fy08 if they have any!
waiting
Aug 20, 2007
Nkramer,
What do you mean your section had been closed on Avue? Where did it say that and can you not view anything under your information?
Mr. Ex.
Aug 20, 2007
You guys have been treated like fools, if you took the medical examination and do not contact TSA EEO to do informal counselling you may never find out what is going on, at this satge the agency does not need to know who you are! Look once they give you a medical examination and you pass this….. the job should be yours full stop!
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A DISABILITY TO BE PROTECTED BY THE PRE-OFFER CLAUSE OF THE MEDICAL EXAMINATION LEGISLATION AND THIS IS VERY CLEAR IN RECENT CASE LAW ISSUED BY THE EEOC. IF YOUR TOLD THIS LET ME KNOW AND I’LL SEND YOU A COPY OF THE EEOC DECESION DIRETLY RELATED TO THE FEDERAL AIR MARSHAL SERVICE.
This is the law are you one to enforce the law or let people get away with things… than once they reply to the informal process since it is many of you… if you get a collective opinion that they are not hiring etc.. you can go forward with the formal process.. go to EEOC or TSA Office of Civil Liberties and Rights (OCLR) for more information.
It sounds like many of you have been pushed aside even though they submitted you to medical examinations, for newer recruits. I can not be no more honest/blunt than that with several of you.
skywalker
Aug 22, 2007
Nothing in 2 days. This is horrible. I’m guessing calls have stopped.
USAF
Aug 22, 2007
Hey guys I was told by the Personnel Secrutity Team that the all the calls have stopped because they have the people they want fot FY 08 budget. There is a job announcement I was told that will be opening in October. Anyway I had transunion fix the inaccuracies on my credit report, however when I called the Personnel Security Pre-Hire team at FAMS they said it was too late for this announcement.
I have not gone through much of the process despite the previous posts. I was still in the early stages of the process. So I will apply again in October she stated names sent to her before they go to the interview panel which was the next move for me until transunion screwed me.
skywalker
Aug 22, 2007
So you mean to tell me the guys who have been in the process for 2 years or so will have to re-apply??
Mr. EX.
Aug 22, 2007
Skywalker! Congrats for waitig so lng only to gt more of the same. I guess if you want this job you wll get use to this type of treatment as you will have to tolerate it in the service, as part of being flexible.
I have heard that they expect under this new vacancy announcement to get even more highly qualified people than they have in the past. If you applied previously you will have to go through the whole process again, it would appear since the list or your application is good for one year.
I will once again say if you completed the medical examination and did not get hired or may be of a minority/veteran I’d do an informal EEO complaint than make a decesion to go forward or not.
A few things to increase your chances, go to ebay and buy the guide to federal employment and rewrite your resume, than pay a resume writer to proof it for grammar and proffessional word usage.
Look at the way you answered the questions last time and see what you can do between now and than to increase your chances.
USAF glad to hear it was in the preselection and not as part of an actuall clearance, and that is another thing check your credit report and criminal history to include driving record to ensure no surprises.. errors happen.
October is almost here!
famsblinko
Aug 22, 2007
I didn’t realize that the background for the preselection is so lengthy. What is the difference between the investigation of the background during pre-selection and the clearance investigation? I don’t understand why some people make it through pre-selection and TS clearance with bankruptcies in their credit report and other people don’t make it past pre-selection with more minor issues. I sure hope I end up on the lucky side, not where USAF ended up…starting over again.
So, if you clear the preselection, is it highly likely that you will clear the TS clearance. When do they start the clearance investigation? How long does it take to find out?
Mr. Ex.
Aug 22, 2007
Have your rights been violated? Have you taken a medical examination and not given a job? Have you been asked questions during the interview that you may think violated your rigths? May have been exclude because of your age, race, gender, religion etc? Been excluded because of a medical reason that may not be job related?
If your unsure or just need some background info such as EEOC Guidlines, Cases to review or just want help wit EEO paperwork, people whom have experienced what your experiencing are waiting to help. This is a peer network and cost nothing. They all at some point felt uncertainity, and had a lot of What if questions, some felt fearful and others just wanted to learn more about the process. This group of people can be contacted at eeorights@gmail.com
Some of them are current and past FAMS or other law enforcement agencies within the federal sector, others are spread wide and far in the Federal Govt and many either hold or have held prominent positions within the federal sector. All emails will be kept confidential amongst this group of individuals and not be forwarded to any of the members with a name or email addressed attached.
Mr. EX.
Aug 22, 2007
FAMSBlinko,
Although there are clear guidelines on issuing clearances, many times in the preselection they use their own judgements and to determine whom may get a clearance or not. This process need not be long as it is all done electronically, but it is how they do things that provides an appearance that it takes awhile.
Hence even with clearances the interpretation of these guidelines have been very arbitrary and capricious and therfore many people have been succesful in refuting the denial of a clearance. This is a right given to you by those whom proceeded others and challenged it in the justice system to gain clear guidelines that appeal rights must be given and a clear reason of the denial to allow one to refute the denial.
I would be very uncomfortable if I was USAF if they relied on faulty information to make a decesion as it has potential to have negative repercussions. I would be talking to my current agency whom isued my current clearance about this.
How important is the credit report? Well TSA is paying for how many of their current and past employees credit reports to be monitored because of missing data. Says they do not pay for this for nothing.
USAF
Aug 22, 2007
Mr. EX
I am in LE right now so my Crim Background is good.
I am out of the AF now so I think my clearance is inactive or about to need the five year re-investigation. So I can’t talk to them about it. I am really the one to blame for not monitoring my credit report. I guess I’ll get in on this October go round.
Jackson P
Aug 22, 2007
Mr. Ex, You sure do like to talk about filing law suits all the time. bet I have read at least 35 posting about contactng EEOC. Do you like talking about EEOC violations? These guys want encouragement, not information concerning how to file a law suit. Sure, its fine to mention it occassionally, but that is all you ever say. It is decision, not decesion.
Mr. Ex
Aug 22, 2007
Jackson P,
So what are your words of encouragement or false hope maybe? Many of them have been wronged and need not be like you and others let people sh.. on you.
dekota110
Aug 22, 2007
I am taking the PTA tomorrow. I guess I need to wonder why are they still putting me through this if they are not hiring until later. All I can do is wait.
Mr. EX.
Aug 22, 2007
dekota110,
Good Luck! maybe you will find out diffrent tommorrow. What field office ar you doing this at?
skywalker
Aug 23, 2007
I just don’t know what to say about this process. I can’t believe I’ve been doing it for this long to be told i have to apply again. I completed everything, they should atleast keep things on file.
USAF
Aug 23, 2007
Skywalker
Hang in there young Jedi I’m sure you be in one of the FY 09 classes so don’t worry about they just want to make ure your still interested.
Mr. Ex
When do you find out Field Office you are going to in the process is it after you graduate or just before go to training?
skywalker
Aug 23, 2007
Thanks for the words of encouragement USAF. Lord knows I need it about now. LOL
flyboy
Aug 23, 2007
i cant believe im hearing the hiring has stopped, i sure thought i would make this go around since they rushed me through so fast. if the annoucement not until october, do we have to wait a whole another year to get hired?
dekota110
Aug 23, 2007
CLT, office
Juice
Aug 23, 2007
Hey guys the two classes that were hired are for fy07 and yes they are the final two, but hiring may pick up as early as May of 08 which is still fy08 not fy 09. I am just concerned that with the new vacancy announcement some of us like skywalker and myself may have to re-interview, re-psych eval, re-med eval and re-pta. No one has been able to answer that question yet. It does seem that most of the guys they are hiring have been in the process since 05 and I wonder if they had to re take everything over!
Skywalker the BP is hiring like crazy and you should reapply with them. If you get on and go through Fletc you will only have to do phase 2 for the Air Marshals in the future. Also your days off and benefits all transfer over!
Mr. EX what are your creds? What experience or inner knowledge do you have?
Cmike
Aug 23, 2007
I guess the FAMS has found a way to get around hiring most of the people who were allowed to complete their hiring process before October 2006. With what little money they had remaining in their 2007 budget, they decided to go back and pick up some of the people who completed the process before October 2006. If you have been done with everything since the end of 2006 or before, you are either getting a call for the job, getting a DQ letter, or will have to reapply when the new announcement comes out in October. The competition for the Marshal’s job has gotten really tight since they added the PTA part. And like Mr. EX. stated in a previous post, once you complete the process, by law, they have to make you some kind of offer. So in order to weed out some people, who have completed the process but really don’t cut the mustard, the FAMS will let their application time lapse. By causing the applicant’s application time to lapse, the applicant will be forced to reaplly to the next announcement. Once this happens, the FAMS can then pick up who they want to, out of their more recent hiring pool, for fiscal year 2008. They will be able to do this without breaking any laws.
There will be more classes starting in the beginning of fiscal year 2008. If you have completed the hiring process within the last year, you will be getting a call with an offer. Pending there is nothing in your back ground to get you kick out of the process. All things being equal, your PTA score will become a factor in whether you will get a job over someone else or not. There will be a new announcement in October. For all those who have completed the process within the last year, you will not have to reappy to this new announcement. If you are unsure of your timeline in the hiring process, you may want to check with your recruiter. And remember, keep your heads up and bodys tight. Your time is coming!
Stay safe!
Cmike
Juice
Aug 23, 2007
Hey Cmike where did you get your info? I finished everything June 07, and scored excellent on my PTA actually I made sure I went well beyond the excellent score in almost of the categories. I was just notified that there was a mix up on my MHC but is now complete and and everything is great on that end an my file will be headed to hq, but I was also told to make sure I re-apply if I see new vacancy announcement. Can you shed any light on this?
we'll see
Aug 23, 2007
Got the conditional offer e-mail May 7th. All my paperwork was with the initial application. Haven’t heard diddly since, and on Avue’s site my background says “active.” Anyone know what this means, or in the same boat?
we'll see
Aug 23, 2007
Yea Juice, I may re apply with BP. I did horrible on the test the first go around, but I think I am good now. How long is that process.
Cmike,
Thanks for the info, Are you sure as to a class coming in around the Oct. 08 range? If they are having classes in Oct. when should we expect calls to go out with offers? Also, if one who has been finished with the process has to re apply, will that applicant be considered first? Since they have already completed the entire thing at one time.
skywalker
Aug 23, 2007
My bad yall that last comment was from me…
We’ll See,
You are still new to the game, you have a long waiting process. But hey you never know. You may get picked up next month.
Nat
Aug 23, 2007
Cmike,
I too would be curious where you got the info for fiscal 08. I hope you are right…I along with everyone else…I have made it passed hiring panel sine June. I did manage to speak with HR staffing…she stated you get a call or a DQ letter at this point….no email yet. I’m testing for BP next week…as I will be 37 in May, and I want to stop the “clock” so to speak….I do have to admit..if your info is correct…you rock! Take care.
Mr. EX.
Aug 23, 2007
C Mike,
I think I kow who you are! LOL The news he shares I have received yesterday as well. This is what was told to several people at HQ’s and Senior Managers in the FO’s. as we know good and bad news travels fast in the service….
I have heard 30 people would be hired whom finished their process before 10/06 to make up the class. I have also heard the PTA is becoming a make or break for many. Ensure you read the next announcement cosely, apparently OPM has indicated many people miss ot on their Vet prefrence because they do not submit two applications… will track down more info for you on this.
USAF: Ussally they can tell you this when they make you an offer, do not forget your on a mobilty agreement and can be placed/shifted work locations at the need of the service.
PS. Remember a Thank You letter to your interviewers go a long way! It shows you follow through with things.
Juice
Aug 23, 2007
Mr.Ex
again, what agency do you work for, what are your creds? Also I did follow up with email after my interview and like I said, I rocked on everything else if you are indeed in the know, will the ones of us who finished say in June of 07 have to re-take everything? My buddy is sitting in Fletc right now for Parks and is in the same boat as me we finished everything up in June at which time we were told to keep are ears open for October. Now that does not look plausible. At my FO there was no recruiter I was just given a card from the Sup, and you know I do not want to badger him with questions!
Skywalker, BP seems to be going at break neck speed you can most likely get on in six months from the date you apply! But I have heard it is pretty much like joining the military with the evenings off during training, but I can not speak from first hand knowledge!
Juice
skywalker
Aug 23, 2007
So the people who have completed everything since then still have a chance? That’s what’s up. Now when will the calls go out.
Juice
Aug 23, 2007
Skywalker, I have no idea brother that is why I am hoping the enlightened ones with provide us(meaning people who finished everything in 07) what are chances are or will we have to redo everything. That is why I would love to know what CMIke and Mr. Ex know or who they work for. I do realize news seems to travel faster outwards than inwards at times. But yes I would love clarification myself, but this whole process has been muddy. I am not sure if MR. EX works for FAMS or use to or for that case where is Cmike getting his info.
Cmike and Mr. Ex I am not trying to bash either one of you, I know nothing knew, I just am going on the Fox Mulder principal of “Question Everything” and “The truth is out there”
USAF
Aug 23, 2007
MR. EX
How are people missing out of their Veterans preference if their DD214 attached to their application.
Cmike
Aug 23, 2007
Guys, I can’t say what agency I am with or where I am from. I am in the hiring process just like you’ll are. I have credible sources who keep me in the loop on matters. I try to share as much as I can when the information becomes available to me. I understand how frustrating the hiring process can be with the Federal Government.
Juice, if you would re-read my previous post, I stated, “those applicants who have been in the hiring process under a year, and have completed the entire process will most likly get a call.” “With all things being equal, your PTA score will become a factor in whether you will get a job over someone else or not.” If you have LE experience and you aced your interview and PTA , and your back ground is clean, you will probably get a call. I also said that if you are not sure of your timeline, you should check with your recruiter to ensure that you do not have to reapply when the new announcement comes out. A lot of applicants will get caught sleeping on this one.
There will be a lot of money floating around DHS come October 2007. If you have completed everything and you are within the time frame specified, chances are you will be getting your call.
Stay Safe!
Cmike
Mr. EX.
Aug 23, 2007
USAF; It is a complicated situation, apparently you need to make the claim for veterans preference on one application and submit and identical second application to be considered via another hiring method, just read the announcement close.
Juice; People who do or done these jobs do not reveal their identification you should know that! However, I think you or anyone would be hard pressed to refute any post I have made here, lending to my credibility therefore making my B&C’s not important.
Also, call who interviewed you and find out what is happening, maybe they will see your truly interested and not just looking for a First/Business class ticket around the world. However, they may give you an economy class ticket, as you sit waiting to board with all others. People realize that many people are in the check in line and at the baggage carousel picking up their luggage on the way out. They also know that you did not have a recruiter and expect to be the POC.
This may be my last post for awhile as after today I have limited time until after the second week of Sept.
Just hang in there and do what you have to do to survive the feast or famine.
Juice
Aug 24, 2007
Hey Mr.EX
Like I said I am not trying to offend you or any other member and I do realize it could jeopardize a career if you did indeed work for FAMS especially with all of your EEO writings, especially knowing what has happened to other whistle blowers. You just have to look at from my point of view and other guys who use there head and we can see there is a lot of faulty rumint and at times these forums are like old ladies, sewing circle gossip groups! I am not saying any of your info is refutable, just trying to get to the source like any investigator would! I am guessing you work for DHS in some capacity!
On the part of calling my POC, did that no response back in over a week. I feel bad for calling because back in July I emailed him trying to confirm what the hiring was going to be like and information he could provide me. I tried to call last week because there was a huge MHC cluster f*** between a doctor and the medical review board taking over two months for a file to get to NJ when it was supposed to take “by the end of the week” I was indeed trying to show my enthusiasm for coming aboard with FAMS and to see what my status was/is. For at one point via email I was told my file is at HR, and than just recently told until my MHC is cleared that was impossible! All I do know for sure is I am now cleared in every category, but still no transcript request and doubt to hear one. This is just frustrating for many reasons, as I have just been brought abroad with another Federal Agency and FAMS is where I want to be!
Juice
skywalker
Aug 24, 2007
So I finished everything up in May or June 07. The guy told me the packet was fwd to the hiring panel. But my initial start of the application process has been since July 05. Will I still get that call or re apply? It gets kind of confusing when you say “people who have been in the hiring process for under a year and completed everything will get the call” That would be amazing if someone started the actual process in October and completed everything come now. It took me one whole year to get an interview. Then the following psyc. eval, medical and pta weere all in a 4 month time period. So basically what I’m saying is every 3-4 months I would get a call to do something. I’m curious how this is going to work.
flyboy
Aug 24, 2007
skywalker
i understand, i guess u can say my process was fast i applied in jan 07 completed everything even the specical “703″ call by august 07, does it sound like i can make the list, do any one know wen these calls will start.
Cmike
Aug 24, 2007
skywalker,
When You completed your last step in the hiring process, the clock started ticking for you. So if your packet was submitted in June 07, you should be good to go until
June 08. Like I said, The competition is tough for these up coming classes. That is why it was necessary for them to come out with a new announcement. This new announcement will give old applicants a chance to reapply under the new hiring standards. It just wouldn’t make sense or be fair to have someone, who could not do one push-up or pull-up to save their life, be hired over someone who was well prepared for the position (with all other qualifications being equal). It is very easy to look good on paper!!! :)
I hope this helps.
Stay safe!
Cmike
waiting2
Aug 24, 2007
What are the new hiring standards? It would be nice if they could figure out what is applicable to this job and set some standards that will stay in place. They have gone back and forth with the psych requirements and now the PTA standards apparently. What else has changed? Now, I can see why money is an issue becaue they are spending the money getting their system tweaked instead of hiring people that they have spent the money on in the previous systems. What about the people who have already been hired? Have the standards changed for them? Do they have to meet these new standards too? Thanks for the info.
Juice
Aug 24, 2007
Hey guys my two cents, I started Aug 06 Interviewed OCT 06 heard nothing until March to re-certify things, April saw the doctor given thumbs up, June did my PTA which I was told if you did not score good to excellent people will have no chance to be hired:(excellent scores are, pushups 60, situps 54, pullups 10, and mile and half in 10:30) I do not remember what the good standards were I was focused on crushing the excellent so it would maybe bump me up! After the PTA I flew home recieved a letter and was told I need to see the psych to review my childhood ADHD, there doc ruled I never had it. He stated will send file end of week. Last week I found out he never sent, after calling everyone it was faxed to NJ. And now I am being told my packet is cleared and at HQ! So we shall see. Who knows this is the place I want to be! So fingers crossed the in fy08 FAMS comes through for the ones of us that are still waiting.
skywalker
Aug 24, 2007
Good luck to you Juice,
Maybe we will all be in the next class. I know I am training like crazy now. Prior to the PTA, I can’t lie, I was out of shape. (running of course) My 1.5 was beneath piss poor.lol.. But I scored excellent on everything else. I also think my body frame played a key role as well. But now I have slimmed down a little and really getting it in on my runs. I’m up to about 7 miles every three days. I was so disgusted with myself the last time, I was determined to be in shape for anything they throw at me.
Anonymous
Aug 24, 2007
anyone know maybe how soon the classes will start
dekota110
Aug 25, 2007
Question, if they are doing your background now does that mean that the FO has you packet or the hiring panel? I have completed everything except the background and my boss just received a fax letting them know that they would be doing a background inv on me. Does anyone know?
Anonymous
Aug 25, 2007
where can i get more information. I’m getting bits and pieces.
Is the age requirement still only up to 36? I havn’t filled out the applications but on the TSA site, where is the infor about the PT test and what it is–I can’t find it.
Why does it take over a year on some people and less than some?
that’s a long time.
almost2late
Aug 26, 2007
The age limitation is 37–you have to be appointed by the time you turn 37. I am 8 months away from that and getting concerned that the call may not come in time especially if I have to go through the whole process again.
Mr X or any FAM: What is the definition of “appointed?” Does this mean that you have to complete the trainig and receive the TS clearance to be appointed? Or do you just have to be offered the job?
Cmike
Aug 27, 2007
almost2late
You have to be under contract before your 37th birthday.
waiting
Aug 27, 2007
Got the call to take PTA finally in couple weeks. The process is still moving, slowly, but moving.
waiting3
Aug 28, 2007
Cmike,
What is your definition of being “under contract?”
skywalker
Aug 28, 2007
Are calls still going out. Or does anyone know when the calls will resume
waiting
Aug 28, 2007
Anyone have an idea when the academy start date is for Oct?
Anonymous
Aug 28, 2007
Where are you hearing there will even be a class in Oct?
waiting
Aug 28, 2007
anonymous,
From numerous posts on other forums. One of the guys that was hired was told Sept/Oct classes
Anonymous
Aug 28, 2007
ok…thanks…..hope they are right!
Michael Hampton
Aug 29, 2007
Wow, it’s coming up on 600 comments to this post! I originally made the post, and I haven’t really had much to say since making it, since there hasn’t really been much of a change. You’re still going to have problems with being an air marshal as the underlying problems in DHS which have led to the morale problems haven’t really improved much since I originally made this post.
But I wanted to note that I met one of the people participating in this discussion this evening and found it quite enlightening. He is a LEO with a police department in New Hampshire who has been actively reading this discussion, if not participating. If you’re in New England, please feel free to join us at Taproom Tuesday in Manchester, N.H., every Tuesday night.
dekota110
Aug 30, 2007
When they contact your employer and ask for records does that mean that they are doing background or is the FAM office just inquiring?
Anonymous
Aug 30, 2007
What kind of records?
dekota110
Aug 30, 2007
I am in LE in N.C. and they asked for my personell file.
deimhcs
Aug 30, 2007
Does anyone have any information on when or if calls may be going out for applicants who have been through FLETC and may be able to go staight to phase two of the training?
dekota110
Sep 03, 2007
BOY, THIS THING DIED. IS ANYONE HERE?
D. Rich
Sep 04, 2007
To anyone on this forum. Would you rather be a FAM or a Border Patrol Agent, and why?
dekota110
Sep 04, 2007
I am not much for the heat and moving west. I am trying for a FAM job because of the travel and maybe being able to stay on the east coast.
skywalker
Sep 05, 2007
Yea this forum is so dead.. what is going on? Nothing is happening I guess. Or just people have taken vacations.
juice
Sep 05, 2007
BP academy is like Nazi bootcamp, a lot of yelling, a lot degrading stuff, a bunch of marching. You live four deep to a room, if your lucky two deep to a room that is designed to sleep one person! Also you march every where!
vick
Sep 06, 2007
Def. a airmarshal,BP is like a GRUNT academy,I call them Border Grunts cause it aint like no other police,CHP,Sheriff,Corrections..These guys treat you like your in the Marine’s,shett,5 of my friends went and only 3 made it,the other 2,1 had a dislocated shoulder and the other torn ligaments in his knees!! Ouch!!! But once you make it in the end,you pretty much made it so far,and if you dont know spanish,and you better be talking college spanish,none of that ghetto spanish,you talk ghetto spanish to an instructor and i guarantee you,you be doing pushup’s,dont want to discourage anyone but if you have discipline and know what you’re saying you got it made.
Anonymous
Sep 06, 2007
i heard they hired there 65 people for the year, and next year they plan on hiring 300. i dont know if that is going to be soon our have to wait till august, i cant see myself waiting that long again. when do yall think they will start.
skywalker
Sep 06, 2007
That’s a long time to wait again. I wonder if you have to redo the PT and everything.. This process is just too long.
USAF
Sep 06, 2007
Do any of you guys want to work for the FBI or the US Secret Service both those guys are hiring. I just applied to the Secret Service and plan on applying to the FBI soon.
So they plan on hiring 300 next year, hopefully you don’t have to do your PT Test over Skywalker.
dekota110
Sep 07, 2007
Has anyone had their background completed? I know that my employer has been contacted, but that is it. How long does it take to get the ball rolling?
skywalker
Sep 07, 2007
I have no idea man.. I’ve been in the process for a while. I know that the full background investigation is usually conducted after you are hired but not flying yet. I was told that by someone
interested party
Sep 07, 2007
What is the e-mail address where FBI and Secret Service are hiring?
waiting2
Sep 07, 2007
Do they not let you fly unless you pass the background clearance investigation? What happens if you get hired and go to school and dont pass it? Do they hold you in the ranks until a later date as if you failed the school? Does anyone ever pass the FAMS BI and not the final one between being hired and flying?
Mr. EX.
Sep 07, 2007
Hi Everyone,
Just in between shifts and thought I’d check in. According to the SS Agents I have spoke to this week, they indicated that it is a new service since so many of the old school rejects as they put it have retired from the service to work within TSA.
Saw an interesting article dated 9/6 at about how agencies are avoiding hiring veterans. I can you tell you TSA is one of them, they try to to deny veterans rights evey chance they get.
Also saw in the this week decesions that they remanded a case and made it clear of ones rights being a veteran as well in the Paul Durand matter issued 9/4.
Others THINK that the FAMS will not hire the 100 until they reissue the job announcement and can try to get more qualified canidates to compare current canidates to and than make a hiring decesion. Hope no one is holding their breath by the sound of things. As this has been the trend, and I think we all have seen this.
Stay silent and do nothing and you get nothing. I’d be asking what is going on if you completed your stuff and have not heard nothing. TSA has an Ombudsman whom can question on your behalf and you remain behind the scenes so to speak. especially if enough people contact them….. Hint hint.
Well off to sleep I go
flyboy
Sep 09, 2007
will they hire the beggining of the fy08, are will they wait until next august or september, since that seems like the trend for when they hire.
Pathfinder
Sep 10, 2007
That is my question. I am wondering the same thing. Will they hire in October or will they hire next september?
waiting
Sep 10, 2007
Finally completed the process today with the PTA. I was told that just about all field offices are down personnel. They said the new fiscal year should bring in some money for new hires.
dekota110
Sep 10, 2007
I think that there are a lot of people that are in your boat. I read in other blogs that some people have been complete for over a year and have just now been hired. I am just waiting to see what fy08 brings. The recruiter at the SAC stated that he has no idea what is going on. It just seems weird that they are still putting people through the process if they were not planning on still hiring.
I know that the HQ has asked for my files at my office, so maybe that is a good sign. The way I look at it, NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS.
I read on another blog that NY and DC were full. To me that is a good thing. Not the best place for a cost of living change. I know the SAC supervisor told me that his office had about a 15 year wait list. I guess he was telling me that I would be moving somewhere if hired.
Lets just keep waiting on some news.
By the way I have completed everything except someone coming and talking to friends and family (background), is anyone else complete also?
skywalker
Sep 10, 2007
yea, I’ve been finished the process for a while. I don’t think they do that background check until you are actually offered the job for some reason.. I think they do a regular check at first but they do the extensive check through out your first year.
USAF
Sep 10, 2007
They do not start your background investigation until you are hired. The reason for this is it cost approx 45,000 to 60,000 dollars for a TS/and background last I heard, so for them not waste money on applicants they mite not hire. This is why employers like to see persons with clearances apply for jobs so they don’t have to spend the money on the clearance.
Mr. Ex
Sep 10, 2007
Hello Everyone,
One would think that they would allow current FAMS to transfer into vacant slots or fill offices to 103.5% their allocated strength since they report about 3.5% attrition rate before giving new hire slots. Guess what although they have a policy they do not follow it and it is a big to do in the service and always has been.
Some may ask why DC and NY are so sought after? it is not because they are the best managed offices or cheapest to leave but many people came from the federal/state/local govt into jobs originally and still await a chance to return home. Plus they are close to a lot of things.
I would say most SAIC’s do not have a clue of what is going on with hiring as HR likes to leak information little by little or quickly with little time for anyone to do anything about it. They have always operated in this method.
I would say they will hire 30 or so here and there to keep the carrot dangling and a big push towards the end of the FY year to hire what they have to hire if the budget allows. Although if they hired a class of 30 a month, i think you would see the morale go up in the service and a steady enough influx to make a diffrence in the quality of training and many other operational matters.
Yes they do a preliminary clearance before you start and than after your hired do your TS SBI, and people have been fired after given an chance to clear the matters up. Hence the importance to routinely check your background info. If you have a clearance submit to BOYERS for your documentation, even if it was only a secret is my advise.
If they asked for employment records or transcripts and you did not submit this stuff simply put they are in the process of veryfing your application.
Guys & Gals hang in there if this is what you really want and remember the alternatives. Good luck!
dekota110
Sep 10, 2007
After posting my comment I noticed that I mistated something. What I meant to say is that the SAC supervisor from CLT stated that there was a waiting list for his office. There are offices that I intentionally did not put in for. For example, I hear that if you do not list LA and it is the only place they are hiring you are taken out of the process. It does make me wonder if you only selected certain offices it could damage your chances of being hired.
Mr. Ex you stated something about them getting records from my employer might be something that I did not submit. I did not see where I was suppose to send them any complaints or IA’s that were investigated from my law enforcement jobs. Good thing there were none. I was just wondering if this is part of their background or as you stated updating my application.
Juice
Sep 13, 2007
Well if MR.EX is right that pta are going to be a deciding factor I can tell at this point from some of the new Air Marshals in FLETC that these guys did not score perfect or excellent on there pta, so I guess that just means all of us who have not recieved a response will not and we will just have to reapply come october!
dekota110
Sep 13, 2007
Do you have to re-apply in October because of the FY. I just applied in April. The contact at the SAC told me that they were working on my background last week. I have to wonder why they would be working on my background from HQ if they still were not planning on hiring some.
This is the most messed up process that I have ever seen. I always say “no news is good news”. I was just hoping to get an offer from them or not. You read where the last class that was hired were waiting since 2006 to get hired. I need a bigger house and did not want to buy one and then get an offer. I guess I am just in limbo. I bet we will get a yes or no in October (hopefully).
Anonymous
Sep 13, 2007
Hey Dekota110, your SAC is providing you with much more than I can get out of mine. I finished my PTA June 6 this year and have not heard anything finally I called and found that there was a cluster f— with my MHC info. After two months finally gotten it taken care of and was told everything was great, and have not heard anything since. I have called my POC and he has not return my call I am hoping that he will return my last email I sent yesterday to see if I am still in the process! I was told earlier by him I was and my info was sent to HQ, than MRB told me that it could not be because of the DR f— up, so they were going to forward it to HQ this was in August and since than not a word. But I have seen some of the FAMS come here to fletc this and they are saying they are being told the whole process will be cleaned out in OCT meaning if you are in limbo you will have to reapply and because you just may get a DQ letter, I hope they are wrong because I applied back in August of 06 and this is were I want to be so I guess time will tell! But the ones that are here now they have been in the process since 05! So just keepin on praying brother!
dekota110
Sep 14, 2007
I guess now I know where all the tax dollars go. Lets hope they don’t clean it out. I probably will not reapply if this is true. I don’t want to put my family on hold for the long process again. I had a friend of mine apply with the secret service. He was hired and in training before I took my PTA.
I am in the background process with the SBI right now. I told my wife I would just go with the one who gives me the offer first. My wife hopes it is SBI so she can stay near her parents and she is ready for a new little one.
I just think that god will put me where he wants me.
I just hope that for everyones sake they don’t clean us out. I believe that if this is true we would have already received the letter of DQ.
Hopeful
Sep 15, 2007
ok so I applied in may of 07 and got that standard conditional offer letter then I received something via US Mail asking for my fingerprints and thats where it has stopped. I don’t even have a number to call and check on things. People keep referencing their SAC’s and I have to wonder where you are getting contact info from. The only contact info I have is for Avue and they are not much help. If someone knows any contact info please post it it would be appreciated by many I’m sure. Also how long should it be between sending in your prints and hearing back from them because its been a while. Thanks for the help
dekota110
Sep 15, 2007
The only way I knew who to contact was after I took the panel interview. It is a very slow process. The only thing you can do is wait and vent. You can go to this web site or and several others to see post from people that are in the process. They are all having the same problem. Some people did get offered a job in LA and Boston the week of Aug 20th, but that is all I know. Just waiting until October to see what they have planned.
Mr. Ex
Sep 15, 2007
Hopeful,
What is the standard conditional offer letter? What did it say that you think you got an offer of employment? Or was it just a letter saying they got your application and you meet the qualifications?
Dekota,
Funny you say about waste of money, DHS couldn’t even account for their money in their audit and Congressman Waxman isn’t happ as the ranking member on the govt. oversight.
Juice,
I think they will screw a lot of people, it is also funny that they have highlighted the not hiring veterans recently, they will hire family and friends before they hire a veteran.
I think apply for a few agencies and get in if you can, as the FAMS will steal you from another agency as it is much cheaper as the training is already done and paid for! Hang in there and try and try again to you make it!
Just remember if your entitled to 10 points veterans Prefrence and it says internal applicants only, your eleigable to apply.
Juice
Sep 15, 2007
Hey MR.EX I have indeed done that exact thing, I am currently at FLETC with someone else and very very pissed off at serval FAMS. They have been here since SATURDAY and three have already quit the job and gone back home! Hell they should just call me Ill switch right in and I have already taken the first test for applied law down here! Also of the FAMS that are here which the class is now down to I believe 15 since they arrived with 18 all but two have prior military experience so I guess well will all just have to wait to see, atleast next time around I will not have to come back to NM!
skywalker
Sep 16, 2007
Juice,
You got the call for employment? Wow I didn’t know that. I guess I haven’t been on this board in a while. Anyway, what was the reason the guys quit
waiting2
Sep 16, 2007
Juice – Is the FAMS trianing too physical or the instructors too demanding? Do you have any idea why so many would quit after a couple of days? Are you sure they quit, or did they fail out of something? Thanks
Hopeful
Sep 16, 2007
Mr. EX
After completing the application I received what looked like a generic letter titled “Conditional Offer of Employment” I do not consider this a letter offering employment but just a basic “you meet the qualifications” letter. Then I got a letter asking for my prints and nothing further. I guess I’m still new to the process though it looks like people have been waiting for a while
Also if they open a new announcement in October will everyone have to reapply? I haven’t made it far so it wouldn’t be that bad but I would hate to miss out on an opportunity because I didn’t.
Mr. EX.
Sep 17, 2007
Hopeful,
That is interesting that you got that letter. HAS ANYONE ELSE GOT THE SAME LETTER?
Oh just read the announcement closely, I would say that if it does not indicate previously applicants need not apply than yes!
I would agree it is not a conditional offer of employment, but a you are qualified letter, as I understand it once they issue you a conditional offer of employment they must provide you an oppurtunity to be employed, and put you through the process until you fail something.
As, if it states just that “conditional offer of employment” and they are sending these in mass that could become problematic. As, what is it conditioned on? As they are saying they will hire you if you meet all the qualifications basically. As this is neccessitated in case law.
USAF
Sep 17, 2007
MR EX, HOPEFUL
I think everyone recieves that letter because when I initially applied I recieved that email about a half hour after I submitted my application.
juice
Sep 17, 2007
No I did not get the call for employment, but here with a different agency! I have no idea why they left but I mis talked it has only been two people to leave. It seems like everything for them is cake! I believe perhaps people arrived in this hell hole in NM and decided perhaps after two years of waiting for the job it was not for them! It seems like all of the ones I have met are pretty squared away and in good shape and know there stuff. There are 16 and they will meet the rest in phase II. So I guess prior FLE is a good thing. I wish I had recieved the call I have already put in my fourth week with who I am here with and would nearly be done with the first phase for the Air Marshals!
skywalker
Sep 18, 2007
Yea i wish I would have gotten the call too. I would probably be half way done too. But I hear that there will be calls going out in october.
skywalker
Sep 18, 2007
Yea i wish I would have gotten the call too. I would probably be half way done too. But I hear that there will be calls going out in october. Is the training hard or did the people seem as if they were fat bodies and out of shape
waiting
Sep 18, 2007
skywalker,
Where did you hear about the calls in October?
skywalker
Sep 19, 2007
I’ve been hearing about that since Aug. It’s pretty much just word of mouth. But a friend of mine who is a Drill instructer for Fams said that there was a class in october to be pushed through. So we will see.
dekota110
Sep 19, 2007
It would be nice for someone to throw someone a bone here. This not knowing is the worst. I guess that we have a couple of weeks to find out if anyone is going to get hired.
Wish all of you luck.
waiting2
Sep 20, 2007
Any thoughts on if the FAMS will hire two to replace those who didnt make it throgh Phase I?
pathfinder
Sep 25, 2007
anyone know what is going on? I haven’t heard much lately
famsblinko
Sep 25, 2007
Juice-How many different training programs are going on in Artesia? Is there only one FAMS class right now? How many students do they accomodate at one time? Any word on the next FAM class?
Juice
Sep 29, 2007
Hey famsblinko, right now there is I think 16 Air Marshals here and they will combine with the rest of there class in NJ, there is the Bureau of Prisons I believe one small class, two Bureau of Indian Affairs classes and countless Border Patrol classes, due to the massive increase of border patrol this place is busting out at its seams! They have just opened and filled one new dorm complex and about to fill the other one once it opens. Those of us who lost a room mate quickly gained a new one. Though I think AM are in single dwelling rooms! I have no idea when the next class or anything like that will begin as I am just here with another agency. I have heard rumors but they are just that rumors and since I would rather not screw with peoples head or even my own thought process I would rather not spread rumors. Everyone just needs to stay positive no matter what happens.
dekota110
Sep 30, 2007
I was told the other day that there will be a class in October. He could not tell me anything else, but one in October. He did also state that they are short several hundred and need to be filled quickly.
Mr. Ex
Sep 30, 2007
Juice,
How are things going for you at training? Have you met the FAM who is going to Boston that posted here before?
Any idea of the offices the current FAMS think they are going to? As that class will be soon finishing.
Dekatoa, You say he is that the recruiter, Agent In Charge? As short several hundred, he means they need to fill several hundred quickly I am sure. As the several hundred filled versus the several hundred short will be two diffrent numbers. As they may fill 100-300 (several) and be short 450-600 (several) leaving vacant positions still(a buffer).
Armstrong0351
Oct 01, 2007
Hey guys very useful site!!!! I had the panel interview in March and still have not heard from them. I have a B.S. degree, five years of service in the Marines served in two combat zones and speak two languages fluently. I hope that is enough for the FAMily. Two of my friends are FAMS and they both told me about the whole budget issue. My info differed a bit however, they receive the new funds in Oct07 however the academy does not begin until later. The process is lenghty and frustrating at times. I PT everyday to prepare for the academy in hopes that this job comes through soon. Please let me know if any of you get a phone call, email, letter, wink, kiss or some sign of life from FAM. Peace and good luck.
waiting
Oct 01, 2007
armstrong0351,
Did you have your drug test after your interview already?
Anonymous
Oct 01, 2007
yes I had a drug test and then they told me to prepare for the pta. but never heard back from them.
Mr. Ex
Oct 01, 2007
Armstrong0351,
Sounds like you know the FAM Service in and out with your statement wink, kiss or some sign of life. Wonder what your friends have been telling you? ha ha
Who conducted your interview? and What location?
Good to see fresh blood here. Good Luck
Armstrong0351
Oct 01, 2007
Yeah, I’m glad to join you fellas I guess that anything worth having is worth waiting for. I’m kind of saddened to see people here that applied in 05. That is real discouragement. So in summary, some have done the interview, others the psych eval and pt exam, however no one here has actually gotten in. How long will this take? I guess no one will ever know.
To answer your questions, a Florida field office and I was interviewed by a panel of three. I prefer not to provide detail info, you know the saying, loose lips sink ships.
Juice
Oct 01, 2007
Hey Mr. Ex I indeed have not met any one by the handle of dnacheck or whatever he may have gone by. By I have talked to a few, it seems most of them (do not quote me here are going to the ne and are pretty much from that area) I know that one of the women in the class is ending up in L.A. I believe. But it is hard for me to talk to them since I am so jealous, they have there seven weeks of fun and then get away from this god forsaken hell hole Artesia! By the way if you know what organization I am with you know how the training is going, lots of marching and lots of yelling and no women or any other outlet, I just hope Lebowski kills me before the Germans cut my johnson off! That’s what life is like here 6 down and 12 to go! But still praying to hear something.
But guys if you have not finished the process my guess is you will not be here in Oct, I believe that class has been picked, just hope the new budget provide calls, I finished on June 6th and was just recently told all my stuff had been forwarded on and I have heard nothing, not even a call for my transcripts and I have a lot of things they are looking for and excellent throughout my PT, so I would say be patient and there is no rhyme or reason how things happen!
waiting
Oct 02, 2007
Does anyone have any new information to report? I saw on another forum someone’s work was contacted to check his references. Seems like things are moving, but, haven’t heard anything on this end. We are into the new fiscal year now so hopefully things will pick up.
Armstrong0351
Oct 04, 2007
I spoke to my airmarshal buddy he suggested that I proceed with alternate plans. Reason being, that classes are so backed up that they are still taking people from 2006. The spots are very limited and reserved for those who have already finished the initial processing. This is really frustrating but don’t lose hope remember that anything worth having, is worth waiting for!!!!
waiting
Oct 04, 2007
What do you mean they are taking people from 2006 and any word on classes for 08′?
dekota110
Oct 04, 2007
Waiting,
They did pull my credit and my files from my last two law enfrocement jobs. These were sent to HQ. The credit was pulled from a company named “kroll”. This was about one month ago, but still no word.
In my head I keep seeing this long list of about ten thousand applicants. The list should not be growing anymore since they stopped taking applications. I know that everyone is ranked, but where in the line are we ranked. It would be nice to see where we are in the ranking process so we could evaluate our options.
I spoke to a friend the other day who told me that it seemed that they are taking on more international flights. He told me that they were wearing his butt out. He told me to just find another job.
I told him I was going to stick it out just to see, but I am going on with other job offers.
Again, no news is good news. Or would any news give me my sanity back. I feel for the gals/guys who have been waiting for years.
waiting
Oct 04, 2007
Dekota110,
Thanks for the reply. When I finished my PTA in Sept I was told that things should start moving here soon with the beginning of the next fiscal year. They did emphasize however, that it was important to have the process done by the end of fiscal year 07′. I understand what you mean though about guys/gals waiting for over a year after finishing the process. I hope and pray I don’t have to wait that long since recently completing the process. How long did it take to have your credit pulled and work contacted after finishing the process? Also your right, nothing is guaranteed with the Federal system so any job opportunity is worth consideration.
dekota110
Oct 05, 2007
waiting,
They pulled my credit and contacted my employers one week after I completed my PTA. I am not sure if that is because of the field office turning in my scores quickly or what. I heard that there were not many applicants that applied in the southeast field office that I went through. I guess it is because most people want to stay here and they have been told that there is no way they are going to get a spot in the southeast.
waiting
Oct 06, 2007
dekota110,
Are you referring to a FO in Florida?
dekota110
Oct 06, 2007
CHARLOTTE AND ATLANTA
Mr. Ex
Oct 06, 2007
Sounds like for the few people they hire, their personnel department (HR) and personnel security (clearances)are staying busy spinning their wheels. I guess this is what they call job security or wasted taxpayers money if they are not hiring you.
Have any of you looked at You Tube with the search Federal Air Marshall, or googled or yahooed or various other search engines? To get an insight of the true FAMS? I think Don strange has hit the nail on the head with his news blurb.
Armstrong0351
Oct 07, 2007
Just got ff the phone with my FAM friend and he is going to find out what’s going on with the classes. Their is rumors that training for phaseI maybe moved to the southeast but thats neither here nor there. I like this blog because it has people who are going through the same experiences. One thing we should think about is what we write on here on terms of dates and other information which may breach some form of operational security. Not to sound like a jerk but that is important because of who else maybe monitoring this website. Anyways, I worry about my credit being a problem during my application and clearence process. They do not provide wavers for bad credit and it does hurt you if that is the case. If anyone does get any new information please post it on here so that the rest of us can sleep better at night. Good luck to all.
Semper Fi
waiting
Oct 10, 2007
How long does it normally take to get the call for transcripts? I have been reading most everyone is called shortly after pta. I have been done now for a month, but no call. Is the transcripts call necessary, because mine was attached to Avue when I applied for my degree. Does anyone know?
Curious
Oct 11, 2007
I know you all have been waiting for ages, (so please don’t bite my head off) but does anyone know when new applications will be considered? I am a former FAMS employee with military experience and a degree, curious about when I can apply!
waiting
Oct 11, 2007
curious,
You will have to wait when they post a new announcement. The last one closed end of June 07′, so it’s anyone’s guess when there will be a new one.
Anonymous
Oct 11, 2007
hey waiting, I took my pta in June and still no transcript request, I later attaced all of my documentation to Avue, but no one at the field office could tell me the importance of the transcript request. Other than it may be done for everyone or it may not!
waiting
Oct 13, 2007
Anonymous, I am just waiting like everyone else and looking for any info. Thanks for getting back to me. On another forum word is that they might start making calls within the next 2 weeks, so we shall see.
dekota110
Oct 14, 2007
waiting,
I just read that other forum also. The only thing that is discouraging is that it mentioned that there were thousands in the hiring pool. I just hope I put in for the right cities. I know that I did leave some of them out on purpose.
I guess if anyone hears anything this week please post it so we will all know what is going on.
waiting
Oct 14, 2007
dekota110,
Sure thing on keeping the info going. I really don’t know how many are in the hiring pool. I am just glad I was contacted last month to finish the process. These next two weeks will be interesting. Good luck.
waiting
Oct 18, 2007
Word on another forum is calls might be going out next week.
Cmike
Oct 19, 2007
So, by a show of key strokes, how many people on this board have completed the hiring process (Everything! Including the request for transcripts) and are just waiting for the call???
Mr. Ex
Oct 19, 2007
Can I ask how many people are waiting calls on this forum? As, I understand it they are hiring plenty of already trained FEDS and that is why the FLETC Classes are not huge. Makes sense doesn’t it to save money and hire people that are alleged to be proven so to speak.
Also what offices everyone has asked for?
waiting
Oct 20, 2007
Finished…..Every FO there is..
dekota110
Oct 21, 2007
Finished….Charlotte, Detroit, D.C., Atlanta, Philly, NJ.
Although I do have my preference of the above as I am sure everyone does.
They requested my files from my employer in August. The fax was from HQ and the field office stated that they were done with their part. That being said just waiting.
Mr. EX.
Oct 21, 2007
Where has Juice gone? Have not heard from him in some time! I hope things are going well for him at FLETC. :-) I thought he would share the next class date for FAMS at FLETC.
Dekota do you know some person on the inside you could talk to about these offfices to get some feedback? As, I do not want to say this but it is no secret, some of those have really bad leadership or lack of maybe is best put!
As once you are in transfers are hard to get now and are not promised as before! Still plenty of the original FAMS waiting on promised transfers.
hopeful
Oct 22, 2007
well congrats to all who seem to makeing some progress. I have still yet to be contacted beyond a request for fingerprints. This is a long and trying process so I guess it is time to wait and see. Again congrats to those whos applications are progressing (BTW how long have you guys been waiting) and to all the rest of us stay hopeful.
Good luck
Oct 22, 2007
Ladies and Gents, as a former FAM myself please let me tell you that if you are looking to get into this line of work for the pay it is the wrong reason. The pay is great and the job itself is wonderful dont get me wrong. But this is a grossly mis-managed organization, and if you can put up with that than by all means carry on with the app proccess. This country needs FAMS, but lets just say the “corner offices” need to be cleaned out. Just please don’t get drawn to being a FAM for the money is all Im trying to say, you will be dissapointed as alot of good men and women like me have been and have sinced left….yes left not fired.
Armstrong0351
Oct 23, 2007
Every organization has issues, trust me I was in the Marines and oohh boy are there some idiots running shit. But nevertheless you must be professional and do your job no matter what. Stay motivated and drink plenty of water.
Good luck
Oct 23, 2007
Hey Armstrong0351, I know what you mean…From an 0331 point of view …Semper Fi…As you were
Mr. EX.
Oct 23, 2007
Good Luck,
Are you refering to the nepotism & chronyism that has tainted the service, for Tom being in power and the dribble on that continues?
I have been told by a good source that an investigation into this has started and they want to put systematic changes in place to prevent this from happening again. It has been acknowledged that the system allowed this to happen and they have their finger on the pulse…. now they need to get rid of those appointed wrongly in the ranks.
Juice
Oct 23, 2007
Hey Mr. Ex sorry it has been a while, trying to keep myself sane in the beautiful town of Artesia if you know what I mean. I really do not know anything more the lastest I have heard is there are six-eight classes schedule and they will just have to see but everyone hear should know by now how fast false information spreads throught the gov. But this is like any agency the always schedule a lot of classes and hope they fill them! So only time can tell! But I am surely hoping they hire more because those guys are not getting abused out here at all.
Mr. Ex.
Oct 24, 2007
Juice,
Good to hear your hanging in there. Are you saying FAMS have it easy at FLETC? ha ha I know easier than others but what a crap of a place.
I guess the big worry for FAMS there is the UFO’s!
How much longer do you have? hope not much more as a FAM Class should have almost come and gone by now.
waiting
Oct 24, 2007
Juice,
Reference those possible 6-8 classes did you hear when they might begin?
waiting2
Oct 24, 2007
Mr. Ex or current FAMs,
I read on another forum that possible hirings are to come soon but only for Atlantic City. Does anyone know anything about that training? I didn’t realize that FLETC for the fAMS was so cake. I was just curious about phase 2. It doesn’t seem like it is as important to meke sure you are in tip top shape before going to training based on what I have read several places. Don’t get me wrong, I know I need to be in shape, but maybe I can take it a little easier than I am. Has the first fAMS class finished yet? When does AC training start?
dekota110
Oct 25, 2007
Well, I don’t think I can wait any longer for the call. I took a job with the state. I think it will be better for the family life though.
If someone would just tell us something I would have waited, but I need to do what I need to do. I guess someone will move into my spot in the waiting list.
Good Luck
Skywalker
Oct 25, 2007
What’s up all,
It’s been a while since I last written on here.. This process is so long it’s crazy.. Anyway, CMIke I am also finished the entire process (transcripts and all) since Jan. 07. I’ve been in the process since Aug. 05..
Cmike waiting
Oct 25, 2007
Hey dekota110,
Good luck to you in your new venture! Enjoy your new job. The FAMS may still call your number, so keep the light on. They will get it together some day soon.
Cmike
Oct 25, 2007
Skywalker, that is a long time. However, you may be one of the first people to be called when the calls do go out!
Juice
Oct 25, 2007
Hey Mr. Ex I have 9 more weeks of hell and yes the first FAM class heads out tomorrow for good ole NJ! Hey guys if you believe that the FAMS will be easy you are out of your mind! I would say it is easier then what some people could have espcially if you are not a Spanish speaker the BP could drive you nuts. Also you better be in top shape no one suffers fools out here who are not in top shape, you will earn the title of sandbagger, I am top three in my PT class for my agency and currently withing a point of the PT award, remember agencies like people who perform at the top, wether it be law, firearms, driving or PT! So be prepared.
In reference to when the other classes may start I have know idea and remember what I typed, just because they have them schedule by no means they are set in stone!
Cmike
Oct 26, 2007
Hey Juice,
glad to see that things are falling into place for you out there! So if you get the call from the FAMS, are you going to stay the course with whoever you’re with now or are you going to jump ship???
Mr. EX.
Oct 26, 2007
C Mike,
Dude do not put the pressure on Juice to discuss that in such an open forum. I think we know if you had been in his boots what you would do. Most would follow your foot steps I am sure and jump ship!
However, my advice is not to close the door behind you as when the waters get rough you may want to jump ship! it is okay to jump ship most the seniors of the FAM did just that when the storm hit Secret Service.
Cmike
Oct 26, 2007
Mr. EX.
There is nothing like a little humor to pass the time(LOL)!
I can’t understand what is taking DHS so long to get this thing started. All of the markers are in place to make some selections, so I don’t know what is the hold up. Man, I am glad that I am already a FLEO, because all this waiting would have driven me mad by now!!!
Nat
Oct 26, 2007
I guess the rumor of calls going this week wasnt true after all…bummer!
Good luck
Oct 26, 2007
Mr. Ex…Im still waiting for my back pay from the LEAP lawsuit from 2002…Oh yeah they might not have told you this guys, but your LEAP is scheduled in to your regular hours…so instead of working 8 hours with a carry over of two hours…your working ten hours with the carry over of 2 hours… which comes to about twelve hours give or take… this lawsuit has been trying to get settled for about four or five years now…ask any active FAM…not a recruiter!!!… as anyone who has been in the military will tell you…recruiters “dance” around the real answers… once again not trying to discourage anyone…just trying to tell how it is…and yes the FAMS is still the “Air wing” of the SS
Juice
Oct 26, 2007
Hey calls guys did go out this week I just recieved an email from a buddy at fletc ga, letting me know they called and left a message but he has no idea why! So keep the phones, I for some reason do not believe I will get a call, we scored excellent on the PT together but two days later he was asked to fax his transcripts I have never been asked, so just keep the faith. Cmike you are already in fletc nm arent you!
But still hopeing to recieve a call atleast than there would be a decision needed to be made. I finsihed my PT June 7 07 and applied in August so only time will tell!
waiting
Oct 26, 2007
Anyone know why some receive the call for transcripts and some don’t. I have not been contacted for transcripts since completing pta. Is this a definate must have before a EOD will be received? My only transcripts would be for college and they are posted on Avue.
waiting2
Oct 26, 2007
Waiting,
There are people who got the job without getting the call for transcripts. If you submitted your transcripts at the beginning with your application, they might not call and ask for them. Then again, Avue seems to loose things so there have been some people that completed them and later got a call to send them again. I read about a guy who was hired the last time calls went out and he did not get a call for the transcripts because he submitted them with the application.
famsblinko
Oct 26, 2007
Mr. Ex/Current FAM
How long until the clearance goes through? How long is the interim valid for? If they start the investigation when they hire, will the clearance be ready by the time training is over? Any information on this process is much appreciated as I am a little concerned about previous credit issues years ago. I made it past the initial background portion but am concerned about getting the clearance if I were to get the call. How important is credit? My issues were a little over 5 years ago and my credit is spotless since then.
Mr. EX.
Oct 27, 2007
Famsblinko,
If they provide you an interim clearance they already did you credit and criminal history, although once an interim clearance is issued they than start the process and you will have a chance to refute or explain any adverse findings.
Some are and some are not finished by the time training is completed. they have really tightned up on issuing interim after they fired numerous employees a few years ago after they issued interim clearances with the adverse information in their possession.
Credit really does matter and this is the importance of reviewing it now to fix any errors so you do not have to justify it latter!
famsblinko
Oct 29, 2007
So, do they allow you to refute or explain any adverse findings before they make the decision to give the clearance? Or do they pretty much come into it with their minds made up and just listen for the sake of hearing what you have to say? How to they work it? Do they just call you over the phone and tell you what the adverse findings are, let you explain, and then make an immediate decision?
I would think that they would complete the investigations before training is up because of finding FAM with issues a few years back after they already granted the interim clearance. Thanks again
Mr. Ex
Oct 29, 2007
Famsblinko,
This is one area that they seem to be pretty fair with. If your on board they bring you into the office and explain and provide you time to refute/explain and if needed fix it up.
If your not an employee they appear a little less personal but still inform you and let you explain.
I know people whom have had good and bad outcomes during this process so I do not think they have their minds made up. The process of issuing a clearance at this level is labor intense and some times the process takes a little longer than it should for various reasons.
Patient
Oct 30, 2007
I applied back in 2006 and finished everything up to the psychological interview in December 2006. After that, I would get a few e-mails here and there asking to resubmit my app if I was still interested. I haven’t heard anything in months and planned on attempting to reapply. Today, out of the blue, I received a message on my cell from a woman from the FAMS HR department. I called back and left a message. Does anyone know what this could mean?
Would I even be considered anymore after not hearing for so long? One of the reasons I am asking is because my application was “closed” in June of this year for no reason, or at least that is what avue says. I do not know what that would mean either.
Any input…Thanks.
flyboy
Oct 30, 2007
guys there started hiring keep your phone on good luck to yall.
Mr. EX.
Oct 30, 2007
Patient,
Who from HR? They might want to have you finish the process or hire you even! Do you want the job? keep calling to you get her or another person in HR!
If you do not show your iterested they might make another 20 calls and pass you up!
AVUE is a joke it sounds like! They appear to be a secure data collection agency from the post I have read, so secure sometimes they can not retrieve the info either.
flyboy
Oct 30, 2007
patient
you better call back i got that same call today its the call you want to hear.
flyboy
Oct 30, 2007
patient
you better call back i got that same call today its the call you want to hear.
Cmike
Oct 30, 2007
flyboy,
So are you saying that you received an offer today???
Anonymous
Oct 30, 2007
yes for new york
flyboy
Oct 30, 2007
yes for new york FO
Juice
Oct 30, 2007
Wow guys glad to hear they are bringing people on, you guys that have recieved calls are you prior FLETC?
Cmike
Oct 30, 2007
flyboy,
Well, “CONGRATULATIONS” to you!!! Stay safe out there.
waiting
Oct 30, 2007
flyboy & Anonymous,
What is your report dates to the FO? How long have you been in the process and when did you finish?
flyboy
Oct 30, 2007
don’t know if I can give out report dates, but I started in jan of 07 n finished everything in august.
waiting
Oct 30, 2007
FLYBOY,
WHAT IS YOUR BACKGROUND? THEY MOVED YOU QUICK THROUGH THE PROCESS.
flyboy
Oct 30, 2007
fresh out of college, aviation background, no LE or military,
Dizzy
Oct 30, 2007
Hey FlyBoy-
I think its great you are in! Looks like they want some fresh blood, and you know what? There is NOTHING wrong with that! Sometimes, us old, know-it-alls can be a real pain in the rear, if you know what I mean. CONGRATS, Bro’! Hope you have a wonderful career in the Air!
Juice
Oct 30, 2007
Wow thats awesome flyboy, I started the process august 06 finished my pt june 07 and have not heared a peep and am current FED, so best of luck to you and make sure you bring a car to Aretsia.
flyboy
Oct 30, 2007
fresh out of college, aviation background, no LE or military exp.
Mr. Ex
Oct 31, 2007
Congrats to all of those receiving the calls. I just wonder what makes them all so “highly Qualified”? As, it sounds like they may not be looking at the “highly Qualified’ pool but looking for G pay bands so they can hire more people with less money so to speak! Than train them to their standards instead of teaching old dogs new tricks so to speak.
Juice whats the news, when will they all be joining you in the great town of Artesia? ha ha Dude contact Avue or your recruiter if you already met one and update your status, let them know your in artesia and your finishing date they may arrange you to go to phase II.
Has anyone got Huston?
Anonymous
Oct 31, 2007
So you actually got a report date for your field office? What month do you start in NM? No news on other message boards about calls? Seems a little strange…
flyboy
Oct 31, 2007
headed to mexico in jan, I was a former rotorcraft, n fixed wing pilot.
Patient
Oct 31, 2007
Flyboy and whomever else,
I am trying my best and already left about four messages since yesterday with the woman in HR asking her to get back to me. I do know if there is anyone else I can call to get in touch with from HR. This may be the call I have been waiting for for two years. You should see my nerves right now!!! What did they tell you once you got this call.
Thanks guys…
Patient
Oct 31, 2007
Flyboy and anyone else;
First off…congrats
I received a message yesterday from HR and have been trying to get back to them. I probably left four messages and no response. Any idea of someone else I could contact in HR. This could be that call I have been waiting for. My nerves are about to explode. What was said when they called?
Thanks…
flyboy
Oct 31, 2007
patient.
she gave me an EOD date, and some more info, i have not been able to get in touch with her either, but im pretty sure you got the job. hopefully she will call us back tomo.
new guy
Oct 31, 2007
Hey All,
Been reading for quite a while now. I started this crazy process in May 2006. Last night got the call from Human Resources to call them back. After about 15 tries today I was able to get in contact with them. Was offered the job at NJ FO. For you guys that got the message just keep trying eventually they will answer. My background 11 years leo. AA degree. 5 years detective, 3 years supervisor, 7 years swat (part time team) plus several instructor certifications (firearms, DT, etc.). Good luck to all.
flyboy
Oct 31, 2007
congrats new guy, I will see u n january, I got the offer too, I chose new york, give me your email if u can I would like to ask you a few questions,
Mr Ex.
Oct 31, 2007
Congrats New Guy,
Well my theory is now no good!
Hope they offered you with that background Mid to High I band! NJ not the best of a FO as I understand it, but if it is close to home you can make the best of a bad situation!
With your experience they might poach you after a few months of flying for a training position.
flyboy
Nov 01, 2007
new guy
Patient
Nov 01, 2007
Hey Flyboy and New Guy,
I finally got that call returned last night. You are right it was good news. New Guy, I also got the NJ FO. we may be running into each other in the near future. I want to thank you guys for your help and input.
flyboy
Nov 01, 2007
patient
congrats, have you recieved any paperwork yet, i will see yall in new mexico in jan.
Patient
Nov 01, 2007
Flyboy,
I haven’t received paperwork yet. HR told me to wait for an e-mail and/or packet from FO and I just have to retake my pta and drug tests because they have expired. I’m assuming that you have paperwork already?
Mr. EX.
Nov 01, 2007
Patient,
How old is your PTA and Drug Screen? Surprised that they would offer you when these expired, well I guess you need to make a trip to the FO before they give you the paper work.
However, with that said I think several people here are in the same situation and may not even know it. Thats not all bad maybe they will do the right thing!
Surprised that the Veterans are not being hired as, I know the list has a few that are “Highly Qualified” and 10 point prefrences as well.
I beleive the OSC has asked OPM to look at the system, since so many of you are done the process and than not hired, hence those with expirations being now hired.
Mr. EX.
Nov 01, 2007
Please do not forget to purchase your proffesional insurance…. Join the body that serves and protects you. Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association (FLEOA)
Ensure your classmates know too!
flyboy
Nov 01, 2007
patient
I have not received anything either I been trying to contact hr, to see wats the next step, I got to take my drug test again also. I had the option of two field office I chose new york.
new guy
Nov 01, 2007
So you guys know I spoke to HR earlier she said the e-mails would be sent within the next day or so. She is busy right now. Once you get the e-mail one will also be sent to your local fo and they will contact you to finish drug tests, etc. Everything is in the works.
Anonymous
Nov 01, 2007
For those that know…let the rest of us know when the calls stop for this round..thanks!
Anonymous
Nov 01, 2007
Where is everyone from the other forums? Lots of guys waiting..
Cmike
Nov 01, 2007
Well guys,
my wait is over. Got the call today!!! Headed to a nice sunny state. So, I guess the party has started. I hope that more of you get invited! :>)
Patient
Nov 02, 2007
Mr. Ex,
The tests are probably not much longer then a year old. I am assuming that they lasted for about a year. I am fine with retesting these things.
I have waited about 1 1/2 years for good feedback. Now that I received some these next two months are probably going to feel even longer then the 1 1/2 year wait, so any contact with FO in the meantime I am all good with.
Congrats CMike and all others.
flyboy
Nov 02, 2007
cmike
congrats, hope to see all of yall in class.
Cmike
Nov 02, 2007
flyboy,
Thanks for the congrats! The beginning of the year should be exciting! I have alot of stuff to get done before the new year comes around. Things are finally moving! Good luck to everyone in the process. They are making calls! Stay safe!
flyboys
Nov 05, 2007
was up new fams have yall heard anything yet, im ready to get started.
Mr. EX.
Nov 05, 2007
Juice,
Did you get a call? Rumor has it they will hire a class of FLEO’s and just run a Phase II. As well as the six classes they have booked in at FLETC.
Apparently Dana Brown is trying to do some good things, but…….. Anyhow, hope some of the others hanging around get the calls soon.
Skywalker
Nov 05, 2007
Congrats to everyone who has made it. Good luck and be safe. I am still waiting for my call, but lords willing I will recieve it soon. I tell you this waiting process has been a long one (2 years) So it has made me humble so to speak. Anyway, good luck fellas and maybe I’ll be with yall soon.
Juice
Nov 05, 2007
Hey Mr.Ex no call for me, I actually emailed the SAC of the office I did everything with to ask if I could update my info since I have been doing some good things down here and he emailed me back saying sorry, we can not add any new info. Do you have anyone I can call man! I am losing my mind. My buddy was offered the job sort of turned it down and than let him update his app with his FLETC grad date of two weeks ago and now he will be joining the current class up in NJ. So I just would like to know where I stand and if I should even be concerned anymore. Time will tell.
Skywalker not quite at your length, currently at 16 months and still was never asked to fax my transcripts. Now I am also FLEO and can not even add it to help my chances! Keep the faith brother.
Mr Ex.
Nov 05, 2007
Juice depends what FO your dealing with some are pricks!
Do you have an HR Contact? If so this would be the way to go! I think they really would appreciate your graduating and not having to pay the money!
Anonymous
Nov 05, 2007
Anyone else get called today?
Cmike
Nov 06, 2007
Hey Juice,
How is the weather out there so far? Has it started to get cold yet?
Anonymous
Nov 06, 2007
cmike,
have you heard anything back from hr?
Cmike
Nov 06, 2007
Anonymous,
All of my business with HR has been concluded. I am on cruise control now! Just getting things, at home, in order for my departure. I am sure that they are still making calls. It just takes a while to get each notification done.
Skywalker
Nov 06, 2007
I hope calls are going out for a while.. this is really crazy that I haven’t been called yet.. the last time I was called was for my transcripts back in June 07.. Nothing since.. The guy simply said that my information was fwd to HR and they will make the selection..I thought I had it made.. but now by the looks of things.. I don’t have anything going.. anyway, keep the faith alive people.. your time will come.
Jay
Nov 06, 2007
You will have one class start on Jan and another on March Good luck to all
Rocky
Nov 07, 2007
I’m currently in the military and i’ve been trying to serious figure this ave website out but i don’t know if i’m actually doing it right. I’ve filled out all the information i’ve need to and i checked job search and they give me these eligible and non-eligible jobs. The title federal air marshall is ineligible and i don’t know if that is normal. Also i think it has the stations that open at the time and most of them are in Va and in NJ but i don’t know if i qualify for some of these job titles. I just wanted to apply for the federal air marshall but it seams like its just like the military, where they hard different jobs working directly under the FAMs. I don’t know i’m honestly confused mostly because this information is all new to me. If anybody can help it would be really appreciated.
Anonymous
Nov 07, 2007
cmike,
have you recieved any paperwork yet, hr said i would get it in a day or two, that was last week, still havent seen it, just trying to make sure im not getting left behind.
Cmike
Nov 07, 2007
Anonymous,
Don’t worry. The paperwork that you are looking for is coming. She is extremely busy with these matters. You can be assured that all will be in order before your reporting date! Just sit back and relax now. You have made it through the hiring process. Your file is on her desk, and is being processed for hire. You will get your email soon.
Mr. EX.
Nov 07, 2007
Anonymous,
Are you on the inside? That your certain CMike’s file is on the desk? If so has calls finished going out for this class? Some things never change with FAM HR it sounds like they still are under staffed and continue to make promises they can’t keep.
Hopefully the new person they hired will soth this stuff out, and make it a little more like a corporate HR system.
Anonymous
Nov 07, 2007
cmike,
thanks alot, i was starting to get worried, im a young one, and not used to this type of process, of sit back and wait, i will just continue working out real hard for these next two months and hopefully get some sign of whats next.
bigdaddy
Nov 07, 2007
Did anyone get the boston field office? MR.X do you know if the Saic out there is pretty cool?
Rocky
Nov 07, 2007
can anybody help me on the information i requested earlier?
bigdaddy
Nov 07, 2007
hey rocky, the air marshall job is closed right now. You’ll have to continue and monitor the site as well as the usa jobs until you see the opening again. You might want to try series 1811,1801, 1802,1810,1812, 0083 for additional positions.
Juice
Nov 07, 2007
Hey Mr. EX I do not have any contact numbers for HR but if you have one I would love it!!!! I agree I think they would love some one with my skill set, I could be wrong, but I would be cheap trainee with good experience a great edcuation and someone who will not fail due to PT. We will just havt to wait and see! But if you have that number you could email me at jkicks15@gmail.com
Cmike, give me your idea of cold, I am midwestern boy from St. Louis, somedays here will top out at sixty like today and I think tomorrow it will be 80, but I do not think of cold until it goes below freezing.
I pray for all you guys and I still hope all the calls have yet to end!!!!
Nat
Nov 08, 2007
Got the call!! I was really starting to give up hope….applied in Nov 07…finished June 07. Hey newbies….Im going to Newark …from Colorado. I should be easy to spot…one of the few females. See ya in class!
flyboy
Nov 08, 2007
Nat,
congrats, see you in couple of months, guess im the only one that picked new york city.
Cmike
Nov 08, 2007
Nat,
Congrats to you!!! You should have no problem with the cold weather in NM. See you soon!
Mr. Ex
Nov 08, 2007
Juice,
I have a contact at Mays Landing lost touch but got back in contact and appaerntly slots still exist! I had info sent to you from an advocacy group I belong to EEORIGHTS@gmail.com in case your spam filter catches it.
Rocky,
Once you finish the military if you want to become a FAM and meet the critera and if the advert was open in the past 12 months prior to your discharge you can still apply for this job since the recruitment is ongoing, it is a little USREEA clause that many people look over.
NAT,
Congrats, now lets cheer for DIZZY to get a call.. they need more women in the job! I think you are the only two on this forum although on some of the others a few more are around. Boys calm down it is true if we look at the amount of women that applied and got hired versus Men and by race on a percentage basis.
Dizzy,
Hang in there do what your doing and stay positive! I am confident good things come to those who are deserving.
It sounds like they are on target for all 6 classes in Calendar year 2008.
Good Luck & Best Wishes to all whom have their wings flapping around like eagles, trying to fly in the sky!
Nat
Nov 08, 2007
Thanks to all…and I sincerely wish everyone the best! This has been an interesting process…to say the least! Take care…
bigdaddy
Nov 08, 2007
hey guys I’m new to the forum, but have been a silent observer on many sights started in latter part of 05 finished in 07. Does anyone have any information about the Boston area?
bigdaddy
Nov 08, 2007
Hey guys, I’m new to the forum however I have been a secret observer of this forum as well as a few others. Started the process in latter part of 05 and finished the early part of 07. Does anyone have any information on the Boston area?
bigdaddy
Nov 08, 2007
if my message post twice please disregard one of them
Anonymous
Nov 10, 2007
Is it safe to assume that we are still eligable for the rest of the FAMS classes in 08, if we didn’t make the cut for the Jan class? Concerned FAMS applicant.
bigdaddy
Nov 10, 2007
Anonymous
I’ve been in the process since 05 and I didn’t make the cut for the previous class, however I made the cut for the January class. So yes, there is still hope just continue to keep your head up and if you believe, your faith in God.
bigdaddy
Nov 10, 2007
Intheaircop
Are you out there? I haven’t seen you on this forum, if so do you have any new information for us?
Deville
Nov 10, 2007
Big Daddy,
Iam to a silent observer of this site and will be in the class in Jan. Iam from the Boston area and they did seem pretty cool. I will also be located in the Boston F.O. I began the process in Aug of 05 and finished March of 07. Since where heading in the same direction if there is someway we can exchange information just let me know.
waiting
Nov 10, 2007
Those of you who have received the call congrats. Were there any of you that were never called for transcripts before being hired? I finished in Sept 07 and have not been called for them since finishing the process. Thanks for any information.
waiting
Nov 10, 2007
Waiting
I actually got called for transcripts long before I got the actual real call. So there no one real way of doing things in the Government. To be exact it was 6 months from the time I got the call for transcripts until I got the real call. Honestly I got the real call twice, the first one was a mistake, they thought that I had already finish my pta.
bigdaddy
Nov 11, 2007
Waiting
Sorry that last post was from me.
Deville where are you?
bigdaddy
Nov 11, 2007
Deville
Hey, I’m sorry I sent you a post earlier, but it never came through. Let me know the best way or time to get in contact with you and we will begin to move forward from there. I’m definitely excited.
bigdaddy
Nov 11, 2007
Juice
One weekend out of the month your there, do they allow your family to visit, or is this prohibited?
Juice
Nov 11, 2007
Your family can come to Fletc but you will be paying for them to stay off campus and you will be staying with them!
bigdaddy
Nov 11, 2007
Juice
Apprecieate it, and all of the info that you’ve provided to the forum.
waiting
Nov 12, 2007
Anyone know if the calls have stopped? The other forums are dead and it seems like the last person contacted here was on the 8th of Nov.
Anonymous
Nov 13, 2007
does anyone know about the new york F O, is that a good choice?
Anonymous
Nov 13, 2007
Hey Bigdaddy no worries, sorry if it seemed a little sarcastic, did not mean for it to come out that way. If you can bring a car do so, it will keep you sane and you will not have to ride the bus everywhere. It will also make you instant friends amongst class memembers! This place sucks just remember FAMS you are here for only 7 weeks and back to real society other agencies are here for 20 weeks and can cause grumpiness. Also remember not everyone is glad to be with there respecetive agency so try to be friendly to everyone here, you could work with them one day for who knows what agency!
Everyone just try to keep the faith, some people go through the pipeline at break neck speed and others it is a slow crawl.
Juice
Nov 13, 2007
Sorry last one was from me! Brain dead!
bigdaddy
Nov 15, 2007
Juice
I appreciate it, it will make things much easier.
Mr. EX.
Nov 16, 2007
Hello Everyone,
Hopefully, those who got the calls are preparing to spend the holidays with their loved ones. As, a FAM is flying 365 days 24×7 normally. Therfore next year you may not get the holiday time to relax with the family and others, may be spending the night in a hotel room.
Hopefully, after the next class starts in Jan 08 the rest will get calls. Artesia gets cold to, it appears a lot colder because of the day to night temp range.
Juice is it still 70-80 degrees in the day and 30-40 at night? Sounds like OT is plentyful in the BP as the FAMs do not get OT, they are in a middle of a class action law suit over this at the moment. Don’t worry the LEAP pay sounds nice but you will work for it at the end of the day you truly get paid a lot less when you look look at the hours worked versus paid!
Hope the rest of you hear something soon!
bigdaddy
Nov 17, 2007
Mr. EX
Is it true that some of the field offices have lay-over’s 6 days out of the month? Or is it much worst than this for every FO.
Mr. EX.
Nov 17, 2007
Bigdaddy,
I am not going to get into specfics as they may consider it SSI if it suits them. But if you have been told that you would do about 6 overnights, they would of Phrased it on Average FAMs do …., because they factor those in Administrative & Operational positions into these averages and you may find they fly a lot less than those in tactical positions. Also they only include domestic flights in this statstic as well.
Many statistics in the past have been skewed or misleading and this has been proven in the OIG investigation. Hopefully, you can figure the answer out from this. I have to watch what I say here becuase management are silent on lookers and surely know who I am! Not that I could be done for liable because I write and speak the truth.
With that said overall it is a good job though! I think the organization will improve over the next few years as some of the older agents whom got into management by default leave.
bigdaddy
Nov 17, 2007
I appreciate it, and understand what too much information can lead to, I have a family and I have done a little research and found that things have changed over the years due to high turn-over, so I’m just checking to ensure that I can still be a father and a husband.
Thanks again.
Mr. EX.
Nov 17, 2007
Bigdaddy,
You can do that! It does require good planning skills, and well in advance so scheduling can be done. Although depend on the age of the children, you may not be able to attend their events on a regular basis. Although, I think that more of the bottom level manaagers are attempting to become employee oriented and balancing that with the mission at hand. I have regular contact with many still and it still seems that they still are challenged with an old organisational culture of the Secret Service of the just do it, do not question as I am in charge, that worked for the old uneducated work force but is not modern management as constructive dialouge should be encouraged when time permits without impacting the mission.
Also when your job focuses around taking a bullet on a PPD or VPPD. But thats not what this program is all about it is about thinking quick on the feet and preventing a major event whilst you gather intel.
Juice
Nov 17, 2007
Hey Mr. Ex, it is indeed in the mid to upper 70s here in hell. Today it was a nice 76, which I hate. Being a good ole mid-west boy I love my seasonal changes. Here it can be in the 70s and the next day in the 50s it just sucks, but it beats the hell out of were I am heading! Still hoping for a life line if you know what I mean!
Juice
Nov 17, 2007
By the way Mr. EX our AUO is about the same as LEAP after we reach the hours for AUO we start working free and with the craziness going on, it is happening a lot!!! On top of that this agency does not start its employees off at the same salary range as everyone else meaning I am easily making 10-15000 less! So good times ahead especially going to the wonderful housing market of CA!
bigdaddy
Nov 18, 2007
Mr.EX,
Thanks, again I couldn’t really explain to you how helpful you’ve been, but it is greatly appreciated.
bigdaddy
Nov 18, 2007
deville,
still waiting to hear from you, are you still checking the post. We need to get together!
Deville
Nov 18, 2007
bigdaddy,
sorry just been a little busy havent check the post lately. You can reach me on my email at Tragedyma@yahoo.com, then we can take it from there
Deville
Nov 18, 2007
bigdaddy,
I dont know where to start. I guess if you have a email for me to get back at you that would be a start.
Jax
Nov 18, 2007
Was also thinking of applying. Have many years experience in Federal Law Enforcement. Leaving U.S Customs on the Brownsville/Matamoros border. Corruption among employees and higher managment is every day life. Whistle Blowers face retaliation in Customs and your career is on the line every day if you miss a targeted traveler. Good guys don’t have a chance in Customs, believe that. Down here, everybody is related to the criminals and if you interrupt the crim activity you are marked. FAMS will be a welcome relief versus border inspections.
bigdaddy
Nov 19, 2007
Deville,
Send an email to loveg333@yahoo.com and we can get started from there.
Thanks.
Cmike
Nov 19, 2007
Jax,
Lets see here, you say that your career is on the line every day if you miss a targeted traveler, but if you interrupt the criminal activity you are marked. Damn man, it sounds like you are stuck between a rock and a hard place! If it is as you say, the best thing that you can do for yourself is to move on to another agency. Good luck with your future.
Nat
Nov 20, 2007
Have any of you guys gotten any further information from HR with more specific info? I dont really know where to start either…a lot to get done before Jan! Let me know please…thanks!
Cmike
Nov 20, 2007
Nat,
Have you completed all of your follow-up work for HR?
Nat
Nov 20, 2007
Yes..did my drug screen yesterday…that was all I had to do. Faxed my paperwork to HR last week. Depending on how long that takes…I guess I will get more specifics then. Just didnt want to be left behind…
Mr. EX.
Nov 20, 2007
Nat,
You will not get left behind, unless you smoked up before your drug screen. What a waste of money to schedule a drug screen! They will get those offenders on their random testing, and so should they. Wait to the pull a hair for DNA testing for drugs, just kidding.
What field offices have you all been assigned to?
Nat
Nov 20, 2007
Mr Ex,
Well….doesnt bother me any. Ive been a police officer for the last 13 years. I wish they tested more frequently to be honest! Im just excited, and have and have a lot to do getting ready to move from Denver to Newark! It was my first choice…if you can believe that!
Cmike
Nov 20, 2007
Nat,
Once she gets all your paperwork back on the test, she will be fowarding you a firm offer and other instructions. Don’t worry, all is well. Just get ready for training!!!
waiting
Nov 20, 2007
Nat,
Why did you have to take a drug screen? Didn’t you have that already completed before they called you?
flyboy
Nov 20, 2007
nat
i have to finish my wizz test tomo also, and do another fingerprint card, after that i think we get a firm offer from our field office
Anonymous
Nov 20, 2007
MR. EX
Do they really pull hair or urine sample?
Juice`
Nov 20, 2007
Does anyone know if calls went out this week? :( frustrated person here. Skywalker you still out there, if so have you heard anything yet?
curious
Nov 20, 2007
I have applied for a position with the federal air marshals but not as a fam but an office job with them. I havent heard back and avue hasn’t been updated or it still says no selection made. So I was curious for anyone that can answer. After you filled out your application how long was it until they got back to you? Did they tell you if your qualified right away or did it take awhile?
Juice
Nov 22, 2007
Happy Thanksgiving to all from Artesia!
Raven 1
Nov 23, 2007
Hey…. ive been reading alot of yearly salories about the FAMs… anyone know the actual OPENing yearly salory of a FAM? Overtime? thanks
Mr. EX.
Nov 23, 2007
Raven 1
A Fam starts out as eithier a G Pay Band, $36,400 – $54,000, H Pay Band $44,400 – $68,800 or I Pay Band $54,100 – $83,900 and than on top of this they are entitled to LEAP (Law Enforcement Availability Pay) this is 25% of base salary than a locality pay that varies site to site but average is about 12.5% again of base pay. So on top of base pay most FAMS are getting over 35% more.
Hopefully that helps! Paid much better than FAMS equivelent in other countries.
waiting
Nov 23, 2007
Mr. Ex
Have you heard anything about a new announcement that will require everyone to apply or reapply and the process over again regardless of being finished. Apparently, all classes hired from here on out will fall under these guidelines. On another forum a FAM posted this was the latest thing. There is also a test that will be mandatory as part of the process. The timeline on the new announcement from what they heard is unknown. Do you have any input on this subject?
Mr. Ex.
Nov 23, 2007
Waiting,
CMike could probably shed light on this!
However, based on contact with some High Ranking Officials within the TSA as I understand it, they have been challenged on the validity of the procedure that have been used in the past. Have several cases pending that I am aware of!
I beleive based on what I know in two realms;
One being Industrial Psychology (some formal education and experience)their procedures would struggle to make it past current standards requiring validation as they are old, outdated and apparently have a negative impact on various groups of individuals. This area is discussed in the EEOC Commissions Meeting of May 16, 2007 – Employment Testing and Screening
Second being of EEO (lots of experience and undertaking formal education in 2008), their procedure appears to violate the rights of many based on the aforementioned, and than the medical process, without a bonafide offer.
Should they have a new procedure that is validated? YES WITHOUT QUESTION
Should all applicants have to reapply? NO WAY
If you have already provided medical information in any form ie Question and Answer or via an exam, unless your determined medically unsuitable you should be an employee and not waiting for a call etc., that process is an apparent violation of the law. Contact TSA EEO you can remain anynomous at first, or TSA Ombudsman or an attorney! For more info search review the commissions meetings and federal sector law/process (towards bottom left of EEOC home page)
This is my opinion and not legal advice. eeorights@gmail.com
I must commend the agency for acting on lessons learned! Unfortunaetly they can not afford this in the line of duty as it would be too late! By you exercising your rights requires them to implement a higher standard just what will be expected of you if you get the job!
bigdaddy
Nov 24, 2007
Mr. EX
I’m sure it doesn’t but I have to ask anyway, do you know if this new policy applies to individuals who have already received the call?
Mr. Ex.
Nov 24, 2007
Bigdaddy,
Not sure if it is a policy! just know what is happening behind the scenes. They offered you a job already can not witdrawl the offer! I think it is some time away if they do it at all> I think if they hire for additional classess for Feb to June they will use the old list! Do not think they could advertise and recruit quick enough to do anything but! Look how long it took most of you!
bigdaddy
Nov 24, 2007
Mr. Ex,
Appreciate it, the post from the other forum is as follow’s and can easily be mis-construed, but again I appreciate you info makes a lot of sense, and put’s me at ease.
“Here’s the new word on future hiring. The next hiring is going to come from a new announcement. The way it’s going to work now is that a test is going to be given. The test was passed out at the office and taken by current FAMs to try to get a median score to determine what a passing score would be for future applicants. But they told us that because of the test, the next, and future, group of hires will have to go through the process again and take the test. And supposedly, the announcement is going to be for more than just DC and NY. When that vacancy will come out…..your guess is as good as mine and those who gave us the test. But that’s how future hiring is going to be done. That’s all I know.”
This was a post from a forum on .
Mr. Ex.
Nov 24, 2007
Bigdaddy,
What they are trying to do is validate the test! Although it is a lot more complex than giving the test to current employees. Age, sex, race, disabilities etc… need a large enough sample from each pool to ensure it does not have a negative impact on any one group! Not sure FAMS have large enough groups in certain areas to complete validation this way.
Also, it is to hire indiviiduals or for promotions and having people whom have done the job for a period of time would skew the results for hiring, could possibly validate a question. If the current FAM did not pass it do they get fired? Ha ha Sounds like the infancy stage and it is not uncommon for people to say one thing happens and it never eventuates.
Nobody should get anxious until it happens, one thing I learned is it isn’t that simple to just do these types of test. As AVUE would have to set their system up for it or diffrent offices will need resources to administer them etc. I’d be surprise if it happens it happens before June.
Footpatrol
Nov 24, 2007
Ex,
I hope your right. Ive been done with all steps since May’07.
This has been the most patience testing process. I couldn’t tell you how “heartbreaking” it would be to finish the whole process only to have been dropped. I’m hoping that the DHS wouldn’t waste resources by paying for the med and drug test for applicants then dropping them. I know some may think its not a big deal to waste money like that, but everybody has to answer to the bean counters. It is the gov’t and I could be wrong. I’m sure I’m not just speaking for myself, when I say I hope they haven’t filled the JAN and March classes yet.
Anonymous
Nov 24, 2007
???
Footpatrol
Nov 24, 2007
EX,
I hope my other post doesn’t appear. Ok, so those who have finished the whole process MAY be safe? I’ve been done since June ‘07 for the NYFO. You could add me to the long list of applicants with slowly fraying patience. It would be “heartbreaking” to be unceremoniously dropped after all the work of preparing. I cant see the gov. waisting time and money to test applicants then drop them after passing every phase. Budgets are not infinite.
Mr. Ex.
Nov 24, 2007
To give you a medical examination, they must provide you a bonafide offer of employment,… ie if you pass the medical exam you will be offered a job etc….
It is illegal to give you a medical examination without a bonafide offer it is covered under the pre-employment section of the federal EEO guidelines.
That is the problem until the GAO does a audit and smacks fingers they will waste money! Or a big news story runs or something that more people become aware of this!
Footpatrol
Nov 24, 2007
..sorry about the repost MODS……
Mr. Ex.
Nov 24, 2007
Okay, I have checked in with a senior HQ employee to find out what is going on with all of this. They seem to beleive a few things are happening simutaneously and one of them is a review of the selection process.
Another problem is how do they get enough people on board to meet their mandated requirment; Therefore a couple school of thoughts are going on for January class, one is to do FLETC and than have Phase 2 (FLEO) join them and another is hire enough to do a seperate phase two class in January whilst FLETC is running. Than to run the next class as scheduled as well shortly after the january FLETC class finishes.
Basically simply put how do they stream line the process whilst maintianing the effectiveness and budget and comply with the law!
CMIKE can you shed some light for them? Your apparently on the inside looking out!
Cmike
Nov 24, 2007
Mr. Ex.
You are right! There is too much going on for me to lay it all out on this forum. What I will say is that if people have completed the process, there is a good chance that they will be getting a call. They may have to re-certify in a few areas, but they will get an offer. There are plans for classes throughout this fiscal year, however, the dates are not set in stone. If you have completed the hiring process after October 2006, I would advise you to stay patient. If you haven’t completed the hiring process or you have been sitting on the “Hiring Process Completion Shelf” for some time, you may have to re-apply. Like I said, there is much going on!
waiting
Nov 24, 2007
cmike / Ex
Thanks for all the information you are providing. I’m sure I speak for everyone here that it is greatly appreciated and needed. I finished in early Sept. 06′ and will heed your advise by sitting tight and see what unfolds. Once again thanks.
waiting
Nov 24, 2007
Correction on my finish time, early Sept. 07′ How many on this forum are completed finished? Let’s get a tally if we can?
Footpatrol
Nov 25, 2007
June ‘07
Footpatrol
Nov 25, 2007
Sorry I’m having network issues…. June 07
hopeful
Nov 25, 2007
so I have not done more than fill out the application and gotten a request for fingerprints and a background check. I haven’t heard anything since May 07. Should I consider myself out of the process and re-apply when the new announcement comes out? Or should I stick it out and see what happens. From what I have read it seems like people have been in this process a whole lot longer than me butit also seem like they have completed more of the process. Any advice would be appreciated.
waiting
Nov 25, 2007
Just wanted to confirm your last statement. Just making sure you didn’t mean 2007. Thanks
“If you have completed the hiring process after October 2006, I would advise you to stay patient”.
Juice
Nov 25, 2007
Not sure if I am finished, completed the PT on June 6 07 and was never requested transcripts, several of the FAMS currently at FLETC told me there transcripts were never requested so who knows if I am truly finished!
Waiting, could you email me at jkicks15@gmail.com with an elaboration of this info and possible were you info is coming from. I believe what you are saying is if you finished after OCT. 06 you could be go to go?
waiting
Nov 26, 2007
Juice,
Did you get my email?
Mr. Ex.
Nov 27, 2007
C Mike,
Is Ray still the Asst Director of the Office of Personnel & Training? Also is Maria (G-Lady) still SAC? I heard today that many of Senior Managers are busy fighting fires! Not the type that are in the woods either!
GOD Bless our FAMS!
Nat
Nov 27, 2007
Flyboy,
Did you get the final information from HR yet?
Cmike
Nov 27, 2007
Nat,
Did you conclude your business with HR today? It looks like they are getting this January class wrapped up!
Juice
Nov 27, 2007
hey waiting I did indeed get your email sorry for the delay, things have been crazy here, getting towards the end. I hope you and the other person are correct, I guess time will tell!
An CMIKE are you at FLETC currently
Cmike
Nov 27, 2007
Juice,
I am not currently at FLETC.
Nat
Nov 27, 2007
Cmike,
No..Still waiting to get my final(hopefully more detailed) info from HR. Im sure she is busy…so I hope tomorrow I can get ahold of her. I have alot of questions..
Anonymous
Nov 28, 2007
Sorry CMIKE, my mix up!
juice
Nov 28, 2007
Sorry CMIKE, my mix up!
Cmike
Nov 28, 2007
Nat,
Yes she is busy but you should get what you are looking for sometime today. If you are trying to call her just keep at it. Eventually you will get her.
bigdaddy
Nov 28, 2007
Cmike,
Appreciate the info, I hope that goes for me too.
Nat,
look forward to seeing you soon.
Juice,
any forcast on the weather for January?
Anonymous
Nov 28, 2007
bigdaddy,
Yes, that goes for you too. You might want to invest in some “Coldgear” by Under Armour. You are going to need it! Also, a good S. Vest to hold all you stuff.
Cmike
Nov 28, 2007
The last post was me. Sorry!
bigdaddy
Nov 28, 2007
Cmike,
appreciate it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
flyboy
Nov 28, 2007
Nat,
I havent heard nothing either, i went and finish my re-assesment last week, so hopefully i’ll here something this week or next, the sooner the better.
footpatrol
Nov 28, 2007
I didn’t get a call for a re-assesment although I finished up in June (Pa in May) should I be worried?
waiting
Nov 28, 2007
flyboy,
What kind of re-assessment did you have to complete?
flyboy
Nov 28, 2007
waiting
fingerprints, etc
Anonymous
Nov 28, 2007
What about the guys who didnt get a re-assesment but are done in 2007?
waiting
Nov 28, 2007
Anonymous,
Looks like we just have to wait and see….
juice
Nov 29, 2007
BigDaddy, I was say the weather here is pretty unpredictable at best. We hay five inches of snow on sat. and it was 74 today! Just be prepared the mornings are pretty damn cooled. But it really just matters were you are from I am a Midwest boy and the cold is not bad here there is no humidity!
CMIKE, I was told form someone you might be able to help me, I was wondering if you could email me your email address so I could ask you a question in non public forum! My email address is jkicks15@gmail.com.
Juice
Juice
Nov 29, 2007
BigDaddy, I was say the weather here is pretty unpredictable at best. We hay five inches of snow on sat. and it was 74 today! Just be prepared the mornings are pretty damn cooled. But it really just matters were you are from I am a Midwest boy and the cold is not bad here there is no humidity!
CMIKE, I was told form someone you might be able to help me, I was wondering if you could email me your email address so I could ask you a question in non public forum! My email address is jkicks15@gmail.com.
flyboy
Nov 29, 2007
? juice/cmike
anyone have any word on the PT at FLETC, just want to be in best shape, im former college football, so hard training is my middle name, just dont want any surprises
waiting
Nov 29, 2007
Everyone,
Here is an update that has been posted on some other forums. News sounds good.
“Just had a talk with the SAIC in my office and he said that we are hiring 201 for the year with 2 classes being hired in January and the other 2 classes about June. So that is the finally word so far from my SAIC. He is in the inside because he just got back from a SAIC conference in DC. He also said that the 2 classes that get hired will still be going to the north east and LA, California. But I was surprised when he said that the 2 classes in June that a bunch would be coming to Miami. The Miami office is hurting for new hires”.
footpatrol
Nov 29, 2007
Is there a precedent for someone who finished the complete. process not getting a call? I heard that once you get the physical your pretty much wanted by the FAMS.
Thats some great news if its true, but man June seems so far away for those who won’t go in JAN. What would be the expected last period for calls going out for Jan?
Cmike
Nov 29, 2007
Juice,
Just be patient. Some events just have to play themselves out. Your time is coming soon.
Flyboy,
It might be wise to push your lungs to the extreme. The high altitude in NM is not lenient on anyone.
Mr. Ex
Nov 29, 2007
Foot patrol,
There is a precedent, I know of a few cases! Okay, I will tell you what I think is happening;
I think there are bits of truth all over the place and it needs a good intel analyst, thats not me! But I have taken plenty of raw data in and will attempt to produce a finished product, from unconfirmed & confirmed sources!
It looks like the case would be that many (should be all by law) whom finished the processed and possibly some whom are almost completed will get calls in Jan for a Feb/March class(es). Once this recruitment is done it would appear that a new announcement will be released.
All old applicants will be dumped as they would have expired is what will be officially told and everyone will have to reapply. (If you finished the medical or submitted sf-88 or sf-93 and are not hired contact TSA EEO, Ray Desmone, Manager Formal Complaints, 571 227 2832) or visit to retain cost effective representation or I can provide lawyers that are representing 15 other FAMS and 3-4 applicants.
This will allow the FAMS to implement change. This change may involve practice that is cost effective, and not let you habg in limbo for so long and hopefully meets standards of other professional associations. FAMS are heading down the track to restore their identity and change Org Culture. As Deming says Change the system do not make changes in the system if the system does not work.
CMIKE if I am off base here tell me, but I do think they will look after those who have completed the process, as they do not need GAO coming in or any bad press as they try to change that image!
I will say change in a Org that have done their own thing and hired so many friends etc., it is hard. Favortism is alive and well in the Fed Govt, yes it is a PPP but they still do it, look at the research from 2005 () surveys and my prediction 2007 will produce similar results. It is just in your face at in the FAMS and thats the diffrence. Although, as I understand it they are trying to work on this. It is an easy fix make the management meet the same standards as the FAMS no exceptions and hold them to it with corrective action.
Ladies and gents hang in there! Overall it is a damn good job and they are trying to fix things it takes time, in the next few years you may be part of a team that will be a lead agency for FLEO’s.
Cmike, will I be offered a place in one of the training classes?
Juice
Nov 29, 2007
Hey Cmike, I thank you for the reply, I was just trying to figure out if you could lead me in the right direction on contacting someone who could help notate my file. I have been told there is a way and than by someone it is impossible. I was just hoping to save the government some money since I will be completing FLETC in less than 19 days and not to shine a light on me, but I have done some really good things here. If you could be of any help I would appreciate it. You can respond here or at the email I listed earlier.
Hey Flyboy to answer your questing be prepared for the cold! Running wise if you can still do your PTA in a good time you will be good but you should thrive to be better. There are some really in shape people in the last class and some average shape, but generally speaking there were no sandbaggers! The altitude will hurt for the first couple of weeks but gets better pretty quick, especially if you use your free time and train on your own!!!
bigdaddy
Nov 29, 2007
Hey Juice,
appreciate your response, I wish you could be there when we get there, however I know that your ready to get it over with. I hope everything works out for you, as we have some pretty good and helpful agents on this forum, that will guide us in the right direction.
footpatrol
Nov 29, 2007
Mr Ex,
Thank you for your response you clarified a lot of questions. I guess its just wait and see in Jan.
Juice
Nov 30, 2007
Flyboy,
no worries. Hell I would do fletc all over again if I could work for the agency that I truley want to be with! But you are correct I can not wait to get out of Arteisa it sucks pretty bad here, atleast the Fams program is short! Also if you have a laptop bring it, it will help you keep sane becasue the Fletc computers are slow and at times are hard to get on!
Mr. Ex
Nov 30, 2007
Juice,
Hopefully CMIke can tell you something! Your deserving of it for sure and I think he and others would see value in you completing the course you started, the money side of it is important but a small piece of the value that you’d have to offer the service.
Just keep in mind although you may not have to go back to Artesia, the second half in NJ is said at times to be tougher than that of FLETC in various ways!
Big Daddy & Fly Boy, do not be so anxious your time is coming and you have dates! Enjoy the time until than! Get all the pointers and take them on board, give a little now and save a lot later!self preservation
Mr. Ex
Nov 30, 2007
Foot Patrol,
If I am wrong CMIKE could clarify it!
I will put this offer out to anyone that did their medical or provided the documents I posted in my earlier post if they are not hired before the new announcement is posted, contact me and I will go to my POC at TSA & DHS that are Senior and if it is several of you put it to them without names that I am aware of it, they know I am a firm beleiver in EEO and will push it further, especially if your a prefrence eligable veteran!
May my Higher Power (GOD) Bless each and everyone of you!
footpatrol
Nov 30, 2007
Thanks Mr Ex,
Its good to see things are moving. I’m sure I’m speaking for everyone waiting on the list. No one wants to be “that guy”. You know the one who just misses the cut by one. I hope the other guys have supportive friends and co workers like I do, then again isn’t that one of the best things of being in LE?
Best of Luck
Footpatrol
Nov 30, 2007
Are the Calls in Dec. going out for Jan? Or are the calls going out in Jan for Feb. and March?
bigdaddy
Nov 30, 2007
Mr. Ex
I gotcha, Self Preservation.
waiting
Dec 01, 2007
Footpatrol,
I think the calls already went out for the January class. Several people were contacted at the beginning of this month for a January class. Hopefully there is Feb. and March classes. Last post I read was that the next 2 classes would possibly be sometime around June.
Footpatrol
Dec 01, 2007
I was told that no calls went out for January classes yet. Wow there is a lot of disinformation out there. LOL
Juice
Dec 02, 2007
Hey Mr. Ex thanks for the vote of confidence hopefully the majority of us will get picked up without having to re-apply. It has been a really long time coming for some of the people on this forum!
waiting
Dec 02, 2007
Footpatrol,
There were several on this forum that were contacted. Look back up through the posts starting around #700. Calls were apparently made at the end of October beginning of November.
Footpatrol
Dec 02, 2007
I imagine there is so much info going through so many different offices and we hear what gets filtered down. Thanx Mr. Ex gathering it all and putting it together.
Mr. Ex
Dec 02, 2007
Footpatrol & Others,
A lot of info is out there without doubt! Some geniune and some not so genuine. Based off my experiences and others experiences, this is based off the ongoing communication problems within the service, as well as people holding on to knowledge whom is in management positions. Remember knowledge is power, plus they tell you what they want you to know (control).
Also, another reason is the need for the service to remain flexible in various ways. I found it interesting they had a SAC confrence in DC! Surely they could have held it at a cheaper place to show they have fiscal responsibility, maybe even saved enough to hire a extra FAM. As, air fare isn’t a concern!
Just hang in there and wait and see if calls go out in Jan for a Feb/March class(es). Enjoy the holiday period with loved ones and not so loved ones. Remember what it is all really about, do something for a stranger or an agency you wouldn’t normally associate with.
waiting
Dec 03, 2007
Mr. Ex,
Thanks for all your advice and input. Hopefully the new year will bring good news.
dekota110
Dec 04, 2007
Just to let you guys now there is suppose to be a class in March also. The January class is full. Hold on for the March class.
Footpatrol
Dec 05, 2007
Not to start some wild rumor so please don’t hold me to it. Hopefully Mr Ex can confirm or deny this. With the recent budget confirmation the FAMS are motivated to get the classes in by spring and calls will be going out before the holidays (Christmas/New years).
waiting
Dec 05, 2007
dekota110,
Any word when those calls might go out if there will be a March class?
Juice
Dec 05, 2007
Footpatrol where have you heard there is a budget I was told recently there is no budget!
Footpatrol
Dec 08, 2007
Welcome back, thanks Mr Hampton for fixing the thread.
I believe it was from a reliable source, somebody who is involved in day to day affairs.
Mr. Ex
Dec 08, 2007
Guys (Gender Netural),
Foot Patrol, I can’t confirm nor deny the budget. C Mike already told you and others what is happening have faith.
Be patient and see what falls out of the tree over the next few months, lets be honest DC/Northern VA already went into holiday mode!
Is anyone going to the Secret Service Christmas Party in DC? You would probably meet most of management.
Anonymous
Dec 09, 2007
Juice,
Is there broadband/wireless card access for internet? Thanks!
Juice
Dec 09, 2007
If you want internet that works most of the time for your laptop, you will need to buy yourself an aircard from sprint or verizon, or you can walk over to the fedex area were they have very limited access via wireless.
dekota110
Dec 09, 2007
I was told that they were going through apps now to fill the March class now. They could not tell me when the calls would go out.
I heard that they were wanting to hire 500 this year, but that is what they want and what they get who knows. I also heard that D.C. is closed so what is open is your guess.
Most of this came from the FO, so take it for what it is worth.
Just throwing something out there.
waiting
Dec 09, 2007
dekota110,
What FO you out of?
Anonymous
Dec 10, 2007
cmike,
in your earlier post u recommend an S. vest I’m not familiar with it? wat is it? do anyone know wat we supposed to wear on our first day
bigdaddy
Dec 10, 2007
Annonymous,
We should be receiving an email from the fo explaining attire, and additional areas to reside for that reporting time. We should get something fairly soon I hope.
Anonymous
Dec 10, 2007
bigdaddy
thanks a lot, time is getting close I need to make some resevations, and need to know what to bring, hopefully more info is on its way.
bigdaddy
Dec 10, 2007
hey anonymous,
you should be getting something very soon, check your email.
Anonymous
Dec 11, 2007
bigdaddy,
i assume you got the info?
bigdaddy
Dec 12, 2007
Juice,
How long was your academy?
Anonymous
Dec 12, 2007
Two breaking FAM Stories;
Mr. Ex.
Dec 12, 2007
Two breaking FAM Stories
This is
This is
Mr. Ex.
Dec 12, 2007
Appears I am having some challenges posting these links.
However go to and search decisions it was issued on December 11 and list the agency as DHS. Now you might understand my position in regards to the medical stuff
The other is a story from Pajamas media written by Annie Jacobsen titled, American Gangster American Downfall highlighting a Senior FAMS Manager and problems in the office.
If you search the internet you will find them easily
waiting
Dec 14, 2007
Just got word from a (703)area code by email to fax transcripts. Anyone else get an email like this? Things are looking up hopefully.
waiting
Dec 14, 2007
Also, my boss just called. They were also contacted reference a background? Good news!!!!
Mr. Ex.
Dec 14, 2007
Hello Everyone,
Apparently they have been contacting a few people to finish up their packets!
It sounds like CMike has provided you all very sound advice!
Juice
Dec 15, 2007
Waiting congrats, was the email from avue? Still have never been contacted for that info and been in the process for a long time now. Best of luck to you!
waiting
Dec 16, 2007
Juice,
Thanks. The email for the request for transcripts was not from Avue. It came directly from HQ with an area code of 703 to fax it back to.
Juice
Dec 16, 2007
Waiting have you been asked to recert anything during the process.
waiting
Dec 16, 2007
Juice,
Yes. Both my application and background information earlier in the year.
bigdaddy
Dec 17, 2007
Hey waiting thanks for the response, one more question. I just read on another site that a guy had to fax has transcripts in and that the hiring bored would be reviewing them this thrusday! did they tell you any thing of this nature?
waiting
Dec 17, 2007
BD,
No, I didn’t get to speak to anyone regarding that issue. All I know is that last week I was asked by email to fax my transcripts ASAP, my boss was called to verify my employment, and I was called to redo my PTA for whatever reason. Don’t know what all this means, but, its got to be good.
Juice
Dec 17, 2007
When are you retaking your PTA? and how long has been since the first time!
waiting
Dec 18, 2007
juice,
This week and only 3 months.
Footpatrol
Dec 18, 2007
Can someone explain the method to the madness? This is how I see it, those of you who didn’t finish the process earlier had to redo various stages of the process. Has anyone finished with the process get called to re-cert. anything?
Mr. Ex.
Dec 18, 2007
Foot patrol,
It sounds as they are reviewing applications for at least another round of selection. Therefore it would appear those being called can assume they are considered “highly-qualified”.
Therefore they are all relatively equal, and to make some choices they need current data for various parts. As when they have to justify to GAO or Congress why they did what they did,they need to cover their six. Kind of like swimming upstream at this point, but better late than never to do things the way it should be done.
If you are getting a call for anything feel privliged, they could just select another person with out providing you a chance to renew things. It is the season to beleive, even NORAD tracks Santa.
Have a great holiday everyone!
bigdaddy
Dec 18, 2007
Mr. Ex.
Happy holiday’s to you too, and thanks for all of the advice.
Jucie
Dec 18, 2007
That is crazy waiting, congrats and good luck on your re-test hopefully you will hit perfect scores on your PTA!
Footpatrol the people who are recerting were finished with everything!
Cmike
Dec 18, 2007
waiting,
If you do well on your PTA, you will be in. You should have gotten the call for the up-coming January class. If you wouldn’t have gotten held up by FAM Medical, you would be on your way to your field office come January. You were still in the pipeline to be hired. They kept you waiting for a while, huh? As they say, better late than never.
Good luck on your PTA. Keep it tight and don’t blow it! They are not stopping to pick you up if you should slip on this! They will just move on to the next applicant.
Footpatrol
Dec 18, 2007
how long before the PT and medical expire? Will the guys who pt’d and passed the physical last spring have to re-qual?
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Dec 18, 2007
Good luck everyone
CMIKE all I have to do is recert my drug test, but I can not do it until the week after xmas, they were trying to get me to do it this week! I hope this does not screw my chances I have been waiting for a long time also, do you think there is still a chance! When I took my PT test I aced across the board!
waiting
Dec 18, 2007
footpatrol,
I was told the pta expires after 180 days and the medical I’m not sure.
Footpatrol
Dec 18, 2007
Hmmm, cutting it close then, late may pt – June physical for me.
Anonymous
Dec 19, 2007
Waiting,
If all they wanted you to do is recert your drug test, and they were pushing for you to complete it this week, there is a very good chance that they may have been trying to get you into this January class. When they start pushing, they are usually trying to accomplish something in the near future. Otherwise it’s sit back and wait. I can’t say if you will make the January class, but you should surely make the next class. Last I heard, they were still working on the January class. Like I said earlier, they are not slowing down for anyone. If you can’t comply with their wishes, they will just move on to the next applicant in the pipeline.
Cmike
Dec 19, 2007
Sorry, last post was mine.
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Dec 19, 2007
Cmike that was not from waiting about the drug test, I just no longer choose to use a screen name! Thanks for the info, I am hoping you are right for it has been a long time and they wanted me there this week, but said the next week or the first week of Jan would be no prob, so hopefully I do not miss out on the hiring board.
Footpatrol
Dec 19, 2007
You guys who have all this activity going on are making me envious, and nervous. I’d wish they would call just so i can aim into the cup and feel wanted. LOL
Cmike
Dec 19, 2007
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Whether it’s the January class or the next, either way, it sounds like you are in! Good luck to you.
waiting
Dec 19, 2007
cmike,
Thanks for the information. It did seem strange that they were trying to hurry up and get this redo of the PTA finished this week before the Holidays. Either way, I’m glad to have been contacted. Haven’t heard anything since September and then get all of a sudden this happens. January class seems too close to be contacted for, but, you never know. After this week it’s back to sitting and waiting some more.
waiting
Dec 19, 2007
cmike,
Any word on when the next class is after January? I think there was a rumor floating around earlier about a possible March class.
Cmike
Dec 19, 2007
Waiting,
It’s not too late for you to be added to the January class. Don’t be surprised if you get the nod! Like I said earlier, you should have been in this January class!!!
A march class may be in the works.
Footpatrol
Dec 19, 2007
Cmike, is there anyway can I email you? I’d like to pick your brains, this way I can give you any info you need off the board.
Cmike
Dec 19, 2007
Footpatrol,
Sorry but no can do! Don’t need my brain picked. I have all the info I need. I am on the inside looking out. Just trying to help people along in the process.
grandjctfrui
Dec 19, 2007
Can someone explain the FAM hiring process to me. I completed my profile information on avue today but didn’t see anywhere to submit my information.
Is there anything that I need to do after I complete a profile or do I just wait to see if I am contacted. Thanks!
Footpatrol
Dec 19, 2007
No problem, I’m sure your deluged as it is. I guess I’m just nervous. I’ve been sitting around since spring waiting and now others are getting called to recert. I’m hoping those guys were way before me. Its giving me the jitters.
Melanie Serra
Dec 20, 2007
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I am interested in any position that I am qualified for, mostly in management or management trainee department. I have a Bachelor’s Degree earned from Loyola university and Northern Illinois University and therfore have the polish that you seem to be interested in.
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waiting
Dec 20, 2007
Well, I completed my PTA and drug screening again for the second time. All I was told is they are looking at a few classes in the near future for hires. Wish I had more information for everyone. Stay safe and Happy Holidays.
Anonymous
Dec 20, 2007
to any new hires,
first of all, congrats, i was wondering do any of you know what we will be doing for the two weeks we report to our field office before training?
waiting
Dec 20, 2007
Anonymous,
What is your reporting date to the academy? It’s in January correct?
`
Dec 20, 2007
CMIKE, I was wondering if you could provide me with some info, I will be recerting my urine test, but I would like to also add the fact that I am completeing FLETC this week, shot ex and top of my pt! Someone nudge me and stated you maybe able to provide some valuable info for me!
bigdaddy
Dec 20, 2007
Waiting & Anonymous
The reporting date is the in Jan. The initial part of the week consist of paperwork. The rest will be told to you from your perspective field offices.
bigdaddy
Dec 21, 2007
bigdaddy
I still haven’t received any info on wat to wear on first day or what to expect I’m a young one, so this all new to me just want to be ready
bigdaddy
Dec 21, 2007
It may be different per fo, but my advice would be to wear a suit.
bigdaddy
Dec 21, 2007
bigdaddy
thanks a lot, looking forward to meeting you soon.
Mr Ex
Dec 21, 2007
I would say you dress for success on your first day and than take direction from the office. I would say if your going two weeks before, you will do an orientation and sign off on policy and procedures. As well as learn about those all other duties as assigned, ie vehicle managment, houskeeping/hand skills and get to learn about the airport(s) your work out off.
Big Daddy, waiting, juice and others understand that you will need to take the good and bad, tuck your chin in and roll with the punches if you make it! Things are changing just some of ………. need forced out and let the younger staff move upward.
CMike I would say you have the directors ear, since you post here, as he is the only one whom can authorise current FAM Employees to do so. Or else OPR would be looking into who you are and tracking down your IP address like he has others. I am glad to see you are looking after people. I Assume you are Mike from HQ’s, hence your screen name C (see) Mike a common statement aye!
Anonymous
Dec 22, 2007
IF YOU FAIL FLETC YOU SHOULD STILL HAVE A JOB.
United States Court of Appeals, For the First Circuit No. 06-2468
SIDNEY MARIANI-COLÓN, Plaintiff, Appellant, v. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, through its Secretary, Michael Chertoff,
Defendant, Appellee.
ON APPEAL FROM THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF PUERTO RICO, [Hon. Gustavo A. Gelpí, U.S. District Judge] Before Torruella, Circuit Judge, Baldock,
Of the Tenth Circuit, sitting by designation. Close Senior Circuit Judge, and Lipez, Circuit Judge.
One hundred and thirty nine candidates, including appellant, started service with FAMS on May 12, 2002.
The record does not reflect the race of these candidates. Therefore, the Court cannot construct a racialdistribution of basic pay offered to candidates who began service at the same time as appellant.
Based on a list of qualifying factors, TSA gave sixty-five of these candidates, including appellant, a base annual salary of $36,400. Thus, TSA provided appellant with the same base salary as approximately forty-seven percent of federal air marshal candidates entering service at this time. TSA assigned seventy four candidates, or approximately fifty-three percent of the candidates entering service on May 12, 2002, an annual base salary greater than $36,400.
As a result of this suspension, appellant failed to graduate from FLETC. TSA placed him on administrative leave and appellant returned to Puerto Rico in June 2002. Shortly thereafter, appellant contacted TSA’s human resources department and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), alleging he was the subject of illegal discrimination. After appellant made these allegations of discrimination, TSA offered him an administrative position in New York.
I Know of others they sent back and placed them in the next class or so after they retrained them or rehabilitated them.
Mr. Ex.
Dec 22, 2007
Wow this case is very interesting;
A few comments I will make from a EEO perspective is that this lawyer failed this Ex. FAM. He could of got the racial distribution easily via discovery and other reports that are public record for supporting evidence.
Well has the FAM service set a precedent here as I know of another individual they did this with of Hispanic decent and funny enough they wanted the Miami Office as well. They too got looked after once they contacted EEO.
Other thing is they did not use FOIA to their advantage and use the EEO process wisely as they could have required his classmates to testify at the FAMS Cost so to speak or give depositions.
Although it sounds as the courts made a right decesion in this matter, based on evidence presented if he would have had proffessional liability insurance from the word go and had a attorney familiar with the issue the results most likely would have been diffrent. Makes you wonder did he have good record keeping and observation skills an essential function of a FAM.
POOCH
Dec 22, 2007
I APPLIED FROM THE LAST ANNOUNCEMENT THAT ENDED EARLIER THIS SUMMER. I GOT THE COND. APPOINTMENT THE NEXT DAY. MY BOSS SAID HE HAD A MESSAGE THAT THE FAMS CALLED, BUT HE MISSED THE CALL AND NO ONE EVER CALLED BACK…ANY CLUE ON WHAT THAT MEANS???
Mr. Ex.
Dec 22, 2007
Pooch,
Not sure what you got the next day it would not have been a conditional appointment for sure. As to provide this they must evaluate all information besides medical prior to offering this. You may have gotten something back based off the information you submitted to AVUE saying that you are qualifed under the announcement. This is very diffrent from conditonal appointment or a “real offer” of employment. Prior to submitting SF-93, 88 or medical exam you should be provided a “real offer” basically stating that once you pass the medical you will be hired.
Ussally from what I gather when they are contacting a employer they are starting the process, they should have left contact details or some sort of message for him or her to contact them or return the call within a few days.
Have you done anything besides submitted the application at this point? Interview, Physical Fitness , drug screen, etc.
Anonymous
Dec 23, 2007
Department: Department Of Homeland Security
Agency: Transportation Security Administration
Sub Agency: Federal Air Marshal Service
Job Announcement Number:
FAMS-OPT-08-0044
Management and Program Analyst
SALARY RANGE: 79,052.00 – 122,531.00 USD per year OPEN PERIOD: Friday, December 21, 2007
to Tuesday, January 08, 2008
SERIES & GRADE: SV-0343-J/J POSITION INFORMATION: Full Time Permanent – No time limit
PROMOTION POTENTIAL: 00 DUTY LOCATIONS: 1 vacancy – Reston, VA
WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED:
US citizens
JOB SUMMARY:
The incumbent of this position serves as a Management and Program Analyst in the Office of Personnel and Training, Recruiting and Hiring Division, Office of Law Enforcement/Federal Air Marshal Service (OLE/FAMS) in Reston, Virginia.
Applications for this position are being processed through an on-line applicant assessment system that has been specifically configured for Federal Air Marshal Service applicants. Even if you have already developed a resume in USAJOBS, you will need to access this on-line system to complete the application process. To obtain information about this position and TO APPLY, please click on
KEY REQUIREMENTS:
See Other Information.
Anonymous
Dec 23, 2007
Department: Department Of Homeland Security
Agency: Transportation Security Administration
Sub Agency: Federal Air Marshal Service
Job Announcement Number:
FAMS-OPT-08-0044
Management and Program Analyst
SALARY RANGE: 79,052.00 – 122,531.00 USD per year OPEN PERIOD: Friday, December 21, 2007
to Tuesday, January 08, 2008
SERIES & GRADE: SV-0343-J/J POSITION INFORMATION: Full Time Permanent – No time limit
PROMOTION POTENTIAL: 00 DUTY LOCATIONS: 1 vacancy – Reston, VA
WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED:
US citizens
JOB SUMMARY:
The incumbent of this position serves as a Management and Program Analyst in the Office of Personnel and Training, Recruiting and Hiring Division, Office of Law Enforcement/Federal Air Marshal Service (OLE/FAMS) in Reston, Virginia.
Applications for this position are being processed through an on-line applicant assessment system that has been specifically configured for Federal Air Marshal Service applicants. Even if you have already developed a resume in USAJOBS, you will need to access this on-line system to complete the application process. To obtain information about this position and TO APPLY, please click on
KEY REQUIREMENTS:
See Other Information.
POOCH
Dec 23, 2007
MR EX,
I LOOKED BACK AT MY EMAILS, AND YOU WERE RIGHT. i GOT THE OK FROM AVUE THE NEXT DAY, THEN IT WAS ABOUT ONE MONTH LATER THAT I DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL STATING THAT I HAD A CONDITIONAL APPOINTMENT AND TO REPPLY WITH MY SF FORMS WITHIN THE ALOTTED TIME. I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING ELSE. I FAXED THE FORMS, TRANSCRIPT, DD214, ETC. I CAN’T REMEMBER WHEN MY BOSS TOLD ME HE HAD THE MESSAGE, HE SAID THEY DIDN’T LEAVE ANY CONTACT INFO FOR HIM TO CALL ANYONE BACK. I KNOW THIS IS A LONG PROCESS, BUT IT JUST SEEMS KINDA WIERD.
ANOTHER QUESTION…ARE THERE MANY WOMEN THAT APPLY FOR THIS JOB?
POOCH
Dec 23, 2007
SORRY I FORGOT… IF MY BOSS WAS SUPPOSED TO CALL BACK AND DIDN’T DUE TO THE MESSAGE GETTING MIXED UP OR SOMETHING, WOULD THEY CALL BACK OR JUST GO ON TO ANOTHER APPLICANT?
Mr. Ex.
Dec 23, 2007
Pooch,
I am sure a lot of females apply but statistcally speaking FAMS appears to be a majority white males, based on reports generated. Although every office have several females in it and I think they are starting to equal the work force out a little and hiring more.
Well I would hope they call back, as you may have gatherd CMike is the one to ask these type of questions to for a definite answer.
it would appear from a earlier post the service has an interest in making things better the whole way around. Now if senior managment just listens to their experts and police their own ranks.
POOCH
Dec 23, 2007
CMIKE
I POSTED A QUESTION #942 AND #943. MR EX SUGGESTED YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME INSIGHT TO ADD?
Anonymous
Dec 25, 2007
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
Bob
Dec 26, 2007
With Military combat experience and working as a TSA screener would that stream line the application process? For a new application what would be the realistic time frame? Anything anybody can offer would be great?
Mr. Ex.
Dec 26, 2007
Bob,
A couple things to keep in mind! You can apply as an internal applicant and under veterans prefrence, this requires two applications. Furthermore, if you have not applied yet you may be able to apply even though the application closed under veterans prefrence rules if you meet certain criteria. You can read more at about this under veterans prefrence.
Streamline, well is that word used in govt?
SF2007
Dec 27, 2007
WHEN IS FAMS HIRING AGAIN OR DATE…?
Bob
Dec 27, 2007
Atlantic City is a training location but is it also a field office that could be a choice of assignment?
Anonymous
Dec 27, 2007
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SF2007 | December 27, 2007 12:48 am
WHEN IS FAMS HIRING AGAIN OR DATE…?
That my friend is the 64,000$ question…