Comments on: Why I cannot continue to vote for Republicans as the lesser of two evils http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/ Protect yourself from government gaffes, bureaucratic blunders and incumbent incompetence Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:56:43 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Joeyhttp://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-25187 Joey Fri, 15 Dec 2006 04:34:33 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-25187 Ok my look on this subject i would much rather a liberalist be in office more than anything because i like the fact they have many many points of views anbout the economy and war and rights of all sorts and the fact they are for the people and just not for money and power like the concervs are now they dont like gay rights and they love the fact that people can might as well walk around with guns all over there body and shoot the local kid so screw that and as for george bush he has made some bad decisions but i dont even want to start on him and as for john kerry you didnt even give him a chance to prove he knows his shit. Ok my look on this subject i would much rather a liberalist be in office more than anything because i like the fact they have many many points of views anbout the economy and war and rights of all sorts and the fact they are for the people and just not for money and power like the concervs are now they dont like gay rights and they love the fact that people can might as well walk around with guns all over there body and shoot the local kid so screw that and as for george bush he has made some bad decisions but i dont even want to start on him and as for john kerry you didnt even give him a chance to prove he knows his shit.

]]> By: Johnhttp://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-16055 John Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:59:21 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-16055 As long as the Democrats are in power next time round, I think the world will breathe a sigh of relief. As long as the Democrats are in power next time round, I think the world will breathe a sigh of relief.

]]> By: Joey Chestnuthttp://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-13095 Joey Chestnut Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:55:12 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-13095 You are a goddamned fool. You are a goddamned fool.

]]> By: 5 GigaWatt Lizard » Confessions of a Republican Defector (Wonders Never Cease Pt 1)http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-11283 5 GigaWatt Lizard » Confessions of a Republican Defector (Wonders Never Cease Pt 1) Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:25:50 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-11283 [...] Internet, all in an effort to protect Americans from bad words and dirty pictures. — FOX News permalink | trackback uri| [...] [...] Internet, all in an effort to protect Americans from bad words and dirty pictures. — FOX News permalink | trackback uri| [...]

]]> By: Mind of Moghttp://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-10937 Mind of Mog Tue, 30 May 2006 01:42:42 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-10937 <strong>Does Not Apply...</strong>To them, Congress, the law. Want to hide a crime, hide it in Congressperson’s office. If you get searched, cry foul. Then get opposing party (Republicans) cry foul and have the President to issue an order so that the documents seized can’t... Does Not Apply…

To them, Congress, the law. Want to hide a crime, hide it in Congressperson’s office. If you get searched, cry foul. Then get opposing party (Republicans) cry foul and have the President to issue an order so that the documents seized can’t…

]]> By: Michael Hamptonhttp://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-10923 Michael Hampton Sun, 28 May 2006 20:37:43 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-10923 Well, the LP hasn't yet figured out how to tailor their message to those who normally vote Democrat because they believe in various types of social issues -- never realizing that by voting for EITHER of the two parties, they only guarantee that those issues will get worse. Well, the LP hasn’t yet figured out how to tailor their message to those who normally vote Democrat because they believe in various types of social issues — never realizing that by voting for EITHER of the two parties, they only guarantee that those issues will get worse.

]]> By: Mark Jaquithhttp://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-10922 Mark Jaquith Sun, 28 May 2006 19:43:50 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-10922 How about "lesser of two currently viable options?" Consider that I'm directing this at people who are voting for Republicans out of a "lesser of two evils" mindset. The Libertarian Party gains the majority of its members from the Republican party. As the Republican party moves further and further way from libertarian thought, more people should jump ship. How about “lesser of two currently viable options?” Consider that I’m directing this at people who are voting for Republicans out of a “lesser of two evils” mindset. The Libertarian Party gains the majority of its members from the Republican party. As the Republican party moves further and further way from libertarian thought, more people should jump ship.

]]> By: Jasonhttp://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-10914 Jason Sun, 28 May 2006 08:49:29 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-10914 Things I don't understand about this post. 1) "Two" evils? (aren't we a multi-party nation? oh wait, I forgot...)Well, that's about it I guess. The point of this post was completely lost on me as soon as I got through the first paragraph.I know I got my mom to vote Green in the 2000 elections (seeing as I was 15, I was a bit more naive about certain things). So... why are we talking about 2 again? Things I don’t understand about this post.
1) “Two” evils? (aren’t we a multi-party nation? oh wait, I forgot…)

Well, that’s about it I guess. The point of this post was completely lost on me as soon as I got through the first paragraph.

I know I got my mom to vote Green in the 2000 elections (seeing as I was 15, I was a bit more naive about certain things). So… why are we talking about 2 again?

]]> By: Lenny Zimmermannhttp://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-10875 Lenny Zimmermann Fri, 26 May 2006 12:48:38 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-10875 I can't say that I could have ever felt safe voting Republican (well, except in one situation, sorta.) And no way I could have ever voted for Bush, as it seemed to me that even during his first term his meglomaniacal grab for executive power was just inexcusable. It seems to me that even back in the Reagan era Republicans always struck me as overly concerned with fundamental Christian values (and getting everyone else to accept those values) far, far more than they were ever concerned with economic freedoms. At least Democrats would flat tell you they wanted to take your money to expand government... (well sorta, since we really should consider that Clinton really did reduce the defecit, no matter what other faults the man may have had.) Republicans always struck me as willing to pay lip-service to fiscal responsibility, but not really backing it up with their actions. In all that told me they would be far bigger meddlers in our personal freedoms then the Democrats ever had been, and that they would be even more willing to baldfaced lie about what they were really doing.Then again I've always felt that our civil liberties were the are we most need to watch for against government intervention and, other than gun rights, the Dems have tended to have a better record there. Admittedly they've made some big-time screw-ups in the name of those liberties and equal rights, but at leas they always seemed more willing to look for real answers to problems. Too bad they can't always admit that thier social programs just haven't worked and that government is not really the best answer. At any rate I've always felt that a free people would work to ensure a relatively free market, but a free market would not necessarily make for a free people.I like David Brin's expressions on where I think many Libertarians may have deluded themselves about Republicans (or at least where Cato seems to continue deluding itself about Republican virutes) in this blog post: http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2006/05/cato-hypocrisy.htmlDon;t get me wrong, there are some Republicans I would have no problems voting for, but they are very, very few. (Folks like Ron Paul.) Not that Dems are any better, mind you, but given no other choices at the ballot I've often found myself accepting the Dem positions on issues to be a tad more palatable. That "flip-flop" thing just tells me that at least some of them are willing and open to admitting when they were wrong. I can’t say that I could have ever felt safe voting Republican (well, except in one situation, sorta.) And no way I could have ever voted for Bush, as it seemed to me that even during his first term his meglomaniacal grab for executive power was just inexcusable. It seems to me that even back in the Reagan era Republicans always struck me as overly concerned with fundamental Christian values (and getting everyone else to accept those values) far, far more than they were ever concerned with economic freedoms. At least Democrats would flat tell you they wanted to take your money to expand government… (well sorta, since we really should consider that Clinton really did reduce the defecit, no matter what other faults the man may have had.) Republicans always struck me as willing to pay lip-service to fiscal responsibility, but not really backing it up with their actions. In all that told me they would be far bigger meddlers in our personal freedoms then the Democrats ever had been, and that they would be even more willing to baldfaced lie about what they were really doing.

Then again I’ve always felt that our civil liberties were the are we most need to watch for against government intervention and, other than gun rights, the Dems have tended to have a better record there. Admittedly they’ve made some big-time screw-ups in the name of those liberties and equal rights, but at leas they always seemed more willing to look for real answers to problems. Too bad they can’t always admit that thier social programs just haven’t worked and that government is not really the best answer. At any rate I’ve always felt that a free people would work to ensure a relatively free market, but a free market would not necessarily make for a free people.

I like David Brin’s expressions on where I think many Libertarians may have deluded themselves about Republicans (or at least where Cato seems to continue deluding itself about Republican virutes) in this blog post: http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2006/05/cato-hypocrisy.html

Don;t get me wrong, there are some Republicans I would have no problems voting for, but they are very, very few. (Folks like Ron Paul.) Not that Dems are any better, mind you, but given no other choices at the ballot I’ve often found myself accepting the Dem positions on issues to be a tad more palatable. That “flip-flop” thing just tells me that at least some of them are willing and open to admitting when they were wrong.

]]> By: Mark Jaquithhttp://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-10873 Mark Jaquith Fri, 26 May 2006 05:38:35 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-10873 <blockquote>I have to disagree with your implication that one needs to vote for the lesser of two evils. Voters don’t have to compromise to get freedom. They just have to express a desire for it at the ballot box!</blockquote>It's a short term vs long term thing. In the long term, you're probably better off asking for what you really want... but in the meantime, that vote can make things worse.I'm just saying that I understand why people don't want to go through the inevitable Democratic domination that would happen if Republican voters started jumping ship to other parties. The problem, as I see it, is with our system of voting that puts people into this dilemma. Unless everyone can be convinced to jump all at once, there will be unavoidable negative short-term consequences. With a preference-vote system, former Republican voters could vote Libertarian as their first choice, but back it up with a failsafe vote. That would empower alternative parties and really diversify political debate.

I have to disagree with your implication that one needs to vote for the lesser of two evils. Voters don’t have to compromise to get freedom. They just have to express a desire for it at the ballot box!

It’s a short term vs long term thing. In the long term, you’re probably better off asking for what you really want… but in the meantime, that vote can make things worse.

I’m just saying that I understand why people don’t want to go through the inevitable Democratic domination that would happen if Republican voters started jumping ship to other parties. The problem, as I see it, is with our system of voting that puts people into this dilemma. Unless everyone can be convinced to jump all at once, there will be unavoidable negative short-term consequences. With a preference-vote system, former Republican voters could vote Libertarian as their first choice, but back it up with a failsafe vote. That would empower alternative parties and really diversify political debate.

]]> By: First Entry at “Homeland Stupidity” [ Tempus Fugit | TxFx.net ]http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-10872 First Entry at “Homeland Stupidity” [ Tempus Fugit | TxFx.net ] Fri, 26 May 2006 04:56:35 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-10872 [...] My first article, “Why I cannot continue to vote for Republicans as the lesser of two evils” is now up. [...] [...] My first article, “Why I cannot continue to vote for Republicans as the lesser of two evils” is now up. [...]

]]> By: Michael Hamptonhttp://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-10871 Michael Hampton Fri, 26 May 2006 04:55:52 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/25/why-i-cannot-continue-to-vote-for-republicans-as-the-lesser-of-two-evils/#comment-10871 I have to disagree with your implication that one needs to vote for the lesser of two evils. Voters don't have to compromise to get freedom. They just have to <a href="http://www.lp.org/" rel="nofollow">express a desire for it</a> at the ballot box! It's the fact that over 100 million of them don't do so, because they're deathly afraid of "the other guy," that got us into this mess.Remember that after every election, the winner will come out and say he's received a "mandate from the people." What that means is that when you vote, you aren't voting AGAINST someone, you're voting FOR someone. If you thought you were voting AGAINST John Kerry, well, that's not the way the politicians see it. They only see your votes FOR them.That's why it's absolutely vital that people vote FOR what they want, and NOT AGAINST what they don't want. I have to disagree with your implication that one needs to vote for the lesser of two evils. Voters don’t have to compromise to get freedom. They just have to express a desire for it at the ballot box! It’s the fact that over 100 million of them don’t do so, because they’re deathly afraid of “the other guy,” that got us into this mess.

Remember that after every election, the winner will come out and say he’s received a “mandate from the people.” What that means is that when you vote, you aren’t voting AGAINST someone, you’re voting FOR someone. If you thought you were voting AGAINST John Kerry, well, that’s not the way the politicians see it. They only see your votes FOR them.

That’s why it’s absolutely vital that people vote FOR what they want, and NOT AGAINST what they don’t want.

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