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		<title>By: rolf</title>
		<link>http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/01/was-the-2004-election-stolen/#comment-9231</link>
		<dc:creator>rolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How a Few People Could Manipulate an Exit Poll

And why we need an Ohio Recount

by Libertarian Rolf Lindgren (November, 2004)

Letâ€™s say an anti-FOX News employee of the Exit Poll company obtains a list of the precincts selected for Ohioâ€™s Exit Poll. The Ohio Exit Poll was based on about 2000 interviewed voters, with a margin of error of about 2% (note - this article will use round numbers for ease of mathematics).

The Ohio Exit Poll said that Kerry won Ohio by 4%, so Kerryâ€™s margin in the Exit Poll was 4% of 2000, which is about 80. 80 more people said they voted for Kerry than said they voted for Bush.

According to immediate post-election reports, Bush actually won Ohio by 2%. So Bush should have won the Exit Poll by 40, rather than losing it by 80, a swing of 120.

Letâ€™s say the anti-FOX News employee leaked the precint list to a very small group of pro-Kerry democrats. If this small group of people could travel the state and get 120 Exit Poll interviews done, that would be enough to swing the Exit Poll by 6%.

The 120 planted interviewees who said they voted for Kerry would replace about 60 real Kerry voters and about 60 Bush voters. This would give Kerry 60 more votes and reduce Bush by 60, providing the 120 vote swing in the data.

If one pro-Kerry democrat could hit 6 precints during the day, only 20 people would be needed to produce this result. The fake voters do not have to actually vote. All they need to do is go into the polling area and then come out of the polling exit. They could go into the polling area and pretend to be in the wrong precinct or use the restroom or whatever ruse they needed.

This pattern could have been repeated in other states as well, including Pennsylvania.

At 7 P.M. central time, the polls were closed in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and most of Florida. According to the Exit Poll data, Kerry won Ohio and Pennsylvania, and Florida was too close to call. Before 7 P.M. central, rumors were rampant that Kerry was winning. Had all the networks called Ohio and Pennsylvania at 7 P.M. central for Kerry, that would have about clinched victory for Kerry. Bush voters after 7 P.M. in the central time zone, after 6 P.M. in the mountain time zone, and after 5 P.M. in the pacific time zone would have been deterred to vote, which could have swung a close election.

It is much easier to rig a few Exit Polls, than to rig the entire election in thousands of precincts.

The Badnarik campaign was hurt all year by polling bias, just as the Ed Thompson campaign was defeated by rigged polls in 2002 ). Polls were conducted which excluded Badnarik, and besides the Rasmussen Polls, the polls that did include Badnarik, contained anti-libertarian bias.

Republicrats have been using polls for decades to discriminate against Libertarians.

We need an Ohio recount to find out what really happened. A Badnarik campaign poll found that 19% of voters think that the Libertarian Party can win the presidency by the year 2016. We need to root out Exit Poll bias by then so we have a fair chance to win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How a Few People Could Manipulate an Exit Poll</p>
<p>And why we need an Ohio Recount</p>
<p>by Libertarian Rolf Lindgren (November, 2004)</p>
<p>Letâ€™s say an anti-FOX News employee of the Exit Poll company obtains a list of the precincts selected for Ohioâ€™s Exit Poll. The Ohio Exit Poll was based on about 2000 interviewed voters, with a margin of error of about 2% (note &#8211; this article will use round numbers for ease of mathematics).</p>
<p>The Ohio Exit Poll said that Kerry won Ohio by 4%, so Kerryâ€™s margin in the Exit Poll was 4% of 2000, which is about 80. 80 more people said they voted for Kerry than said they voted for Bush.</p>
<p>According to immediate post-election reports, Bush actually won Ohio by 2%. So Bush should have won the Exit Poll by 40, rather than losing it by 80, a swing of 120.</p>
<p>Letâ€™s say the anti-FOX News employee leaked the precint list to a very small group of pro-Kerry democrats. If this small group of people could travel the state and get 120 Exit Poll interviews done, that would be enough to swing the Exit Poll by 6%.</p>
<p>The 120 planted interviewees who said they voted for Kerry would replace about 60 real Kerry voters and about 60 Bush voters. This would give Kerry 60 more votes and reduce Bush by 60, providing the 120 vote swing in the data.</p>
<p>If one pro-Kerry democrat could hit 6 precints during the day, only 20 people would be needed to produce this result. The fake voters do not have to actually vote. All they need to do is go into the polling area and then come out of the polling exit. They could go into the polling area and pretend to be in the wrong precinct or use the restroom or whatever ruse they needed.</p>
<p>This pattern could have been repeated in other states as well, including Pennsylvania.</p>
<p>At 7 P.M. central time, the polls were closed in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and most of Florida. According to the Exit Poll data, Kerry won Ohio and Pennsylvania, and Florida was too close to call. Before 7 P.M. central, rumors were rampant that Kerry was winning. Had all the networks called Ohio and Pennsylvania at 7 P.M. central for Kerry, that would have about clinched victory for Kerry. Bush voters after 7 P.M. in the central time zone, after 6 P.M. in the mountain time zone, and after 5 P.M. in the pacific time zone would have been deterred to vote, which could have swung a close election.</p>
<p>It is much easier to rig a few Exit Polls, than to rig the entire election in thousands of precincts.</p>
<p>The Badnarik campaign was hurt all year by polling bias, just as the Ed Thompson campaign was defeated by rigged polls in 2002 ). Polls were conducted which excluded Badnarik, and besides the Rasmussen Polls, the polls that did include Badnarik, contained anti-libertarian bias.</p>
<p>Republicrats have been using polls for decades to discriminate against Libertarians.</p>
<p>We need an Ohio recount to find out what really happened. A Badnarik campaign poll found that 19% of voters think that the Libertarian Party can win the presidency by the year 2016. We need to root out Exit Poll bias by then so we have a fair chance to win.</p>
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		<title>By: Q</title>
		<link>http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/01/was-the-2004-election-stolen/#comment-9230</link>
		<dc:creator>Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abolish the electoral college. it&#039;s useless, and it we had done away wit hit and simply counted the votes of the people, bush would not have won either election. its should be considered unconstitutional that the votes of cirtain people be more important than that of the citizens they &quot;represent&quot;. they aren&#039;t even obligated to vote in the same direction as the people of the state they represent, as proven by the past 2 elections.

it&#039;s alot easier to pay off  270 people than it is 20,000,000.

electoral college was needed in a time when it would have taken a year to go from city to city to collect and count all the votes,  now that inforation is almost real time  the electoral college needs to go.


as for the person who says stop whining abou the past,  if i broke into your house and stole something that important from you wouldn&#039;t you want me brought to justice?
this is essentially what happened. and the criminal are not only not being prosecuted, but they keep comming back and stealing more. they think they&#039;re elite, with thisspying, and cutting medical and educational funds to pay for war,  secret prisons, managed by people who sell chldren as sex slaves, with a good ol&#039; boy thumbs up,  this shit is getting worse and worse and you say get over it? what&#039;s wrong with you?

Homeland security has not met a single quota for any of the goals they were created to do, instead they have been spening thier money hunting file sharers, and mexicans, &quot;securing&quot; the mexican border, even though the terrorists who hit us on 9-11 came in through canada.  mroe terrorist were arrreste in canada with plans to come here, but since canadians are white, i guess it&#039;s okay.  they keep killing al lthe terror suspects instead of getting information from them. but they want the authority to crush the balls of children to make them talk. they executed timithy mcveigh knowing he had ties to al qaida, when they could have made him talk,  they are so proud of killing the latest one, when they could have caputed him, loaded him up with Sodium Pentothal and made him talk, the family members of bin laden ,should have all been questioned, but they let them, go to protect them, and they continue to take away our freedoms, they want to add a constituional amendment that takes away rights the only other time this was done was when the one that called negros 2/3rds of a man so they couldn&#039;t be considered born free.

this is slowly becoming a dictatorship, an empire, and like rome, it will fall. bush started WW3 and he did it on purpose.  they could have had bin laden so many times. they puposely let him go. they don&#039;t want to catch him cause then they know it&#039;s over. they imprisioned a man who was trying to find him in iraq on his own as a bounty hunter!

they take away our rights and give them to the people who bombed us!!! why becasue like judas they were given the ok to do wha they did by our own people so the new world order could finally take effect,

rfid chips, detention camps, ww3, illegal spying,  patriot act,  it just keeps getting worse!

i love my country and its time to take it back before these barbarians destroy everything.

http://www.barefootsworld.net/admiralty.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abolish the electoral college. it&#8217;s useless, and it we had done away wit hit and simply counted the votes of the people, bush would not have won either election. its should be considered unconstitutional that the votes of cirtain people be more important than that of the citizens they &#8220;represent&#8221;. they aren&#8217;t even obligated to vote in the same direction as the people of the state they represent, as proven by the past 2 elections.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s alot easier to pay off  270 people than it is 20,000,000.</p>
<p>electoral college was needed in a time when it would have taken a year to go from city to city to collect and count all the votes,  now that inforation is almost real time  the electoral college needs to go.</p>
<p>as for the person who says stop whining abou the past,  if i broke into your house and stole something that important from you wouldn&#8217;t you want me brought to justice?<br />
this is essentially what happened. and the criminal are not only not being prosecuted, but they keep comming back and stealing more. they think they&#8217;re elite, with thisspying, and cutting medical and educational funds to pay for war,  secret prisons, managed by people who sell chldren as sex slaves, with a good ol&#8217; boy thumbs up,  this shit is getting worse and worse and you say get over it? what&#8217;s wrong with you?</p>
<p>Homeland security has not met a single quota for any of the goals they were created to do, instead they have been spening thier money hunting file sharers, and mexicans, &#8220;securing&#8221; the mexican border, even though the terrorists who hit us on 9-11 came in through canada.  mroe terrorist were arrreste in canada with plans to come here, but since canadians are white, i guess it&#8217;s okay.  they keep killing al lthe terror suspects instead of getting information from them. but they want the authority to crush the balls of children to make them talk. they executed timithy mcveigh knowing he had ties to al qaida, when they could have made him talk,  they are so proud of killing the latest one, when they could have caputed him, loaded him up with Sodium Pentothal and made him talk, the family members of bin laden ,should have all been questioned, but they let them, go to protect them, and they continue to take away our freedoms, they want to add a constituional amendment that takes away rights the only other time this was done was when the one that called negros 2/3rds of a man so they couldn&#8217;t be considered born free.</p>
<p>this is slowly becoming a dictatorship, an empire, and like rome, it will fall. bush started WW3 and he did it on purpose.  they could have had bin laden so many times. they puposely let him go. they don&#8217;t want to catch him cause then they know it&#8217;s over. they imprisioned a man who was trying to find him in iraq on his own as a bounty hunter!</p>
<p>they take away our rights and give them to the people who bombed us!!! why becasue like judas they were given the ok to do wha they did by our own people so the new world order could finally take effect,</p>
<p>rfid chips, detention camps, ww3, illegal spying,  patriot act,  it just keeps getting worse!</p>
<p>i love my country and its time to take it back before these barbarians destroy everything.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.barefootsworld.net/admiralty.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.barefootsworld.net/admiralty.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hampton</title>
		<link>http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/01/was-the-2004-election-stolen/#comment-9229</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hampton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 18:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s much better, but please don&#039;t waste TinyURLs like that. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s much better, but please don&#8217;t waste TinyURLs like that. <img src='http://www.homelandstupidity.us/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jason McClain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason McClain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rest?

:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/06/03/kennedy/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rest?</p>
<p>:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/06/03/kennedy/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/06/03/kennedy/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steven Yanis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Yanis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Discussing alleged fraud in the 2004 elections might help us prevent such incidents in the future, but it still won&#039;t change the fact that no amount of debate could undo the crap that Americans all over the world have to deal with because of America&#039;s &quot;War on Terrorism&quot; or whatever excuse this administration comes up with to invade other countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discussing alleged fraud in the 2004 elections might help us prevent such incidents in the future, but it still won&#8217;t change the fact that no amount of debate could undo the crap that Americans all over the world have to deal with because of America&#8217;s &#8220;War on Terrorism&#8221; or whatever excuse this administration comes up with to invade other countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hampton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hampton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 05:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the interesting clarification on the exit polls. Now how about the rest of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the interesting clarification on the exit polls. Now how about the rest of it?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason McClain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason McClain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 05:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mysterypollster.com/main/2006/06/is_rfk_jr_right.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Here&lt;/a&gt; is a  fairly thorough debunking of this tripe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.mysterypollster.com/main/2006/06/is_rfk_jr_right.html" rel="nofollow"> Here</a> is a  fairly thorough debunking of this tripe.</p>
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		<title>By: The Golden Gate &#187; Department of Homeland Stupidity</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Golden Gate &#187; Department of Homeland Stupidity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 05:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Department of Homeland Stupidity is a site I just discovered a couple of days ago. Most of it good, some of it a little off&#8211;like their running debunked stories being recycled by Rolling Stone. Debunked. Anyway, more interestingly, by coincidence I ran accross a web developers blog who mentioned the Tempus Fugit Blog who has a post [now we are getting to it] about his first post to The Dept. of Homeland Stupidity. And in his excerpt of his own post, he is spot on: On paper, Republicans are easily more favorable than Democrats to a libertarian-minded person such as myself. On paper, they support lower taxes, less socialism, limited government, a rigid interpretation of the Constitution, property rights, parental rights and gun rights. In practice, they do little to permanently relieve the tax burden, they support wealth redistribution in a variety of forms, theyâ€™ve bloated the government to an unprecedented degree, theyâ€™ve made a mockery of Amendments One, Four, Six, Eight and Ten, theyâ€™ve been slow and inadequate in their response to the Supreme Courtâ€™s eminent domain decision. That leaves parental rights and gun rights. So if all you want to do is to teach your kid that God created the world in seven 24-hour periods or shoot empty beer cans for fun, the Republican Party has your back. Otherwise, itâ€™s time to wake up and realize youâ€™ve been duped.    &#160; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Department of Homeland Stupidity is a site I just discovered a couple of days ago. Most of it good, some of it a little off&#8211;like their running debunked stories being recycled by Rolling Stone. Debunked. Anyway, more interestingly, by coincidence I ran accross a web developers blog who mentioned the Tempus Fugit Blog who has a post [now we are getting to it] about his first post to The Dept. of Homeland Stupidity. And in his excerpt of his own post, he is spot on: On paper, Republicans are easily more favorable than Democrats to a libertarian-minded person such as myself. On paper, they support lower taxes, less socialism, limited government, a rigid interpretation of the Constitution, property rights, parental rights and gun rights. In practice, they do little to permanently relieve the tax burden, they support wealth redistribution in a variety of forms, theyâ€™ve bloated the government to an unprecedented degree, theyâ€™ve made a mockery of Amendments One, Four, Six, Eight and Ten, theyâ€™ve been slow and inadequate in their response to the Supreme Courtâ€™s eminent domain decision. That leaves parental rights and gun rights. So if all you want to do is to teach your kid that God created the world in seven 24-hour periods or shoot empty beer cans for fun, the Republican Party has your back. Otherwise, itâ€™s time to wake up and realize youâ€™ve been duped.    &nbsp; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MacManX.com &#187; Blogroll Dive: 6/5/06</title>
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		<dc:creator>MacManX.com &#187; Blogroll Dive: 6/5/06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 06:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michael Hampton called American democracy, specifically the 2004 presidential election, into question. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Michael Hampton called American democracy, specifically the 2004 presidential election, into question. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hampton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hampton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mainstream press frequently screws up or completely misses the most important stories of our time. Consider the two Presidential candidates who were &lt;em&gt;arrested&lt;/em&gt; in October 2004 at the Presidential debates. You didn&#039;t hear a word about that from your precious mainstream media! And yet it still happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mainstream press frequently screws up or completely misses the most important stories of our time. Consider the two Presidential candidates who were <em>arrested</em> in October 2004 at the Presidential debates. You didn&#8217;t hear a word about that from your precious mainstream media! And yet it still happened.</p>
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