Comments on: Surgeon General clouds tobacco smoke issue http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/ Protect yourself from government gaffes, bureaucratic blunders and incumbent incompetence Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:25:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mark Greco http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/#comment-9996 Mark Greco Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:45:45 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/#comment-9996 Cite your sources Sally. Every story I've ever read, even in the criminal liberal media, has said that there is large financial impact on bar owners and restauranteurs when a smoking ban is put into effect. I've also read just as many sceintific studies that say that second hand smoke is not dangerous that don't get the airplay that your studies get because that's not part of the agenda. Needless to say, you had no comment about my arguments against pollution from cars, because there is no argument against it. I'd like to be able to go outside and not breathe that shit, but we all can't get what we want, can we? Freedom to go into a smoke free place to eat is something that I would never hold against you. I want you to be free to go into a smoke free bar or a smoke free restaurant, just as much as I would like to be able to smoke when I go to one. That's the idea behind "Free Market" buddy. The Government doesn't get to decide this. The Market does. How can it even be argued that all somebody has to do in a community is open a non-smoking establishment and if everyone is behind that kind of thing they will flourish, and others will follow, eventually leading to a happy balance of what the people want without Government intervention? Free Market.... what a concept, huh? Anything else is Unconstitutional and regardless of your view of what is more or less unhealthy, I'll take lung cancer over fascism any day. Personally, I think this is why my freedom is more important than yours, because you sir, do not understand the underlying value and meaning of the freedoms which you have lucked into at birth and have taken for granted your entire life. The loss of freedom is a slippery slope, my friend, and smoking is just the first step. Trust me.... you dont' appreciate your freedom now, but you will miss it when you're gone. Don't be a generalizing idiot either. I'm 100 percent against Big Gov banning gay marriages. I just don't want the Government going into churches and telling them that they have to honor them if they don't want to. As far as a civil marriage and tax incentives go, I don't see how your sexuality is anybodies business either, particularly the Government. I'm done..... You can just go back to being a close minded Government meat puppet now. Cite your sources Sally.

Every story I’ve ever read, even in the criminal liberal media, has said that there is large financial impact on bar owners and restauranteurs when a smoking ban is put into effect. I’ve also read just as many sceintific studies that say that second hand smoke is not dangerous that don’t get the airplay that your studies get because that’s not part of the agenda. Needless to say, you had no comment about my arguments against pollution from cars, because there is no argument against it. I’d like to be able to go outside and not breathe that shit, but we all can’t get what we want, can we?

Freedom to go into a smoke free place to eat is something that I would never hold against you. I want you to be free to go into a smoke free bar or a smoke free restaurant, just as much as I would like to be able to smoke when I go to one. That’s the idea behind “Free Market” buddy. The Government doesn’t get to decide this. The Market does. How can it even be argued that all somebody has to do in a community is open a non-smoking establishment and if everyone is behind that kind of thing they will flourish, and others will follow, eventually leading to a happy balance of what the people want without Government intervention?

Free Market…. what a concept, huh?

Anything else is Unconstitutional and regardless of your view of what is more or less unhealthy, I’ll take lung cancer over fascism any day. Personally, I think this is why my freedom is more important than yours, because you sir, do not understand the underlying value and meaning of the freedoms which you have lucked into at birth and have taken for granted your entire life. The loss of freedom is a slippery slope, my friend, and smoking is just the first step. Trust me…. you dont’ appreciate your freedom now, but you will miss it when you’re gone.

Don’t be a generalizing idiot either. I’m 100 percent against Big Gov banning gay marriages. I just don’t want the Government going into churches and telling them that they have to honor them if they don’t want to. As far as a civil marriage and tax incentives go, I don’t see how your sexuality is anybodies business either, particularly the Government.

I’m done….. You can just go back to being a close minded Government meat puppet now.

]]> By: Greg http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/#comment-9995 Greg Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:56:25 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/#comment-9995 Feel free to poison yourselves all you want, and line the pockets of the legal death merchants. Just keep it away from me. I would like to have the freedom to be able to go into any public access facility without the threat of being assulted by tobacco smoke. Whose freedom is more important? That debate could go on for ages. At the end of the day I think the decision should come down on the side of least harm. Generalised smoke-free laws have no negative effect on restaurant and bar business, so you can't say it causes risks to business survival. So all that's left is whether harm is caused to smokers by requiring them to go outside for a smoke, or refrain from smoking until they get outside, not much harm done there I think. Or whether there is harm done to those who do not smoke and are exposed to second hand smoke by allowing smoking inside to continue. There is good evidence to show second-hand smoke is harmful, therefore the least harm approach is to put a stop to smoking indoor public access premises and workplaces. About the only exception I can imagine is member only places like cigar clubs, where everyone is a smoker and where non-smokers have no interest in going. And as for the right-wingnut "keep the govt out of our lives" hypocrites: you pull out that phrase when it suits your particular sensibilities (including the non-smokers), but when it comes to other freedoms you are all for govt meddling (gay marriage springs to mind). If its liberal, its bad and the govt needs to squash it, stop deluding yourselves that it has anything to do with freedom vs regulation. I suppose I can respect those secular libertarians who are consistent down the line even if I disagree with their absolutist philosophy. Personally I think freedom in many circumstances is an absolute must, but in others it cannot be sanctioned. Extremism = bad, moderation = good, goes for both freedom and regulation. Feel free to poison yourselves all you want, and line the pockets of the legal death merchants. Just keep it away from me. I would like to have the freedom to be able to go into any public access facility without the threat of being assulted by tobacco smoke. Whose freedom is more important? That debate could go on for ages. At the end of the day I think the decision should come down on the side of least harm. Generalised smoke-free laws have no negative effect on restaurant and bar business, so you can’t say it causes risks to business survival. So all that’s left is whether harm is caused to smokers by requiring them to go outside for a smoke, or refrain from smoking until they get outside, not much harm done there I think. Or whether there is harm done to those who do not smoke and are exposed to second hand smoke by allowing smoking inside to continue. There is good evidence to show second-hand smoke is harmful, therefore the least harm approach is to put a stop to smoking indoor public access premises and workplaces. About the only exception I can imagine is member only places like cigar clubs, where everyone is a smoker and where non-smokers have no interest in going.

And as for the right-wingnut “keep the govt out of our lives” hypocrites: you pull out that phrase when it suits your particular sensibilities (including the non-smokers), but when it comes to other freedoms you are all for govt meddling (gay marriage springs to mind). If its liberal, its bad and the govt needs to squash it, stop deluding yourselves that it has anything to do with freedom vs regulation. I suppose I can respect those secular libertarians who are consistent down the line even if I disagree with their absolutist philosophy. Personally I think freedom in many circumstances is an absolute must, but in others it cannot be sanctioned. Extremism = bad, moderation = good, goes for both freedom and regulation.

]]> By: Mark Greco http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/#comment-9994 Mark Greco Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:10:33 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/#comment-9994 To Ava, and the other motherlike figures out there. Why is it that some people feel the need to inflict their own values and personal choices on everyone else? I respect that you chose to live your life a certain way. Why can't you show me the same respect? As far as my second hand smoke killing other people, which I know your reply is before you even read this... save it. You can come back and yell at me when we have clean, pollutionless cars and means to do factory work. There is no way in my lifetime I will even come close to matching the pollution one single car puts out in its comparatively short lifetime. Think about that the next time you're at the pump. Until then, please keep your opinions on this to yourself. To Ava, and the other motherlike figures out there.

Why is it that some people feel the need to inflict their own values and personal choices on everyone else? I respect that you chose to live your life a certain way. Why can’t you show me the same respect?

As far as my second hand smoke killing other people, which I know your reply is before you even read this… save it. You can come back and yell at me when we have clean, pollutionless cars and means to do factory work. There is no way in my lifetime I will even come close to matching the pollution one single car puts out in its comparatively short lifetime. Think about that the next time you’re at the pump.

Until then, please keep your opinions on this to yourself.

]]> By: Scott http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/#comment-9993 Scott Sun, 25 Mar 2007 00:01:03 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/#comment-9993 Ava, With all the stress from doing all that research I bet you could really use a smoke about now. So, please feel free to light one up for yourself and all of the unborn children of the world. And while your at it, chase it down with some alcohol. Oh and I'm hoping to get a bill passed to get you bleeding heart liberals to shut the fuck up and stop trying to manage other peoples lives. Kindest Regards, Scott Ava,

With all the stress from doing all that research I bet you could really use a smoke about now. So, please feel free to light one up for yourself and all of the unborn children of the world. And while your at it, chase it down with some alcohol. Oh and I’m hoping to get a bill passed to get you bleeding heart liberals to shut the fuck up and stop trying to manage other peoples lives.

Kindest Regards,

Scott

]]> By: Ava Smith http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/#comment-9992 Ava Smith Sat, 24 Mar 2007 15:20:30 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/#comment-9992 As a former smoker, I am grateful to be free of that horrible habit. I am currently writing my thesis on the relapse phenomena of postpartum women who actually quit smoking during pregnancy but fall victum to tobacco after delivery. Bonifide research has shown persistent tobacco use during pregnancy resulted in premature labor & delivery, poor weight gain, and fetal hypoxia. This research is valid and reproducible. 90% of all lung cancer is directly related to smoking tobacco. What about fetal exposure? Studies by Yolton, and Otsuka,et al., 2001 studied the effects of 2nd hand smoke and consistently found neurological delays in these children such as reading, and mathematical comprehension. They also found a higher incidence of behavioral problems such as hyperactivity and attention deficit disorder related to both fetal and 2nd hand smoke. Why would you feed rat poison to child but you think its okay to blow poison in their face? If you don't believe the surgeon general then read the research. You cann't argue with mutliple studies that are reproducible and their findings are consistent with specific health consequences of smoking and 2nd hand smoke. Whats frightening to me is that people still continue to worship smoking and remain enslaved to its demands. Can you go without a smoke for more than a few hours? I couldn't, I had to decide that smoking was no longer an option. THere are new drugs out there that really help Wellbutrin is one, and now there is Chantix. Read the research get some help, smoking is killing you and those around you, inch by inch, robbing you of of thousands of dollars annually. Money you could spend on living and playing. I am obviously very pro any legislation that restricts tobacco use, why wouldn't you be. To me its the equivalent of Crack cocaine, and addicts will tell you its easier to quit crack than quit smoking. What does that indicate. Get help, wake up!!!! As a former smoker, I am grateful to be free of that horrible habit. I am currently writing my thesis on the relapse phenomena of postpartum women who actually quit smoking during pregnancy but fall victum to tobacco after delivery. Bonifide research has shown persistent tobacco use during pregnancy resulted in premature labor & delivery, poor weight gain, and fetal hypoxia. This research is valid and reproducible. 90% of all lung cancer is directly related to smoking tobacco. What about fetal exposure? Studies by Yolton, and Otsuka,et al., 2001 studied the effects of 2nd hand smoke and consistently found neurological delays in these children such as reading, and mathematical comprehension. They also found a higher incidence of behavioral problems such as hyperactivity and attention deficit disorder related to both fetal and 2nd hand smoke. Why would you feed rat poison to child but you think its okay to blow poison in their face? If you don’t believe the surgeon general then read the research. You cann’t argue with mutliple studies that are reproducible and their findings are consistent with specific health consequences of smoking and 2nd hand smoke. Whats frightening to me is that people still continue to worship smoking and remain enslaved to its demands. Can you go without a smoke for more than a few hours? I couldn’t, I had to decide that smoking was no longer an option. THere are new drugs out there that really help Wellbutrin is one, and now there is Chantix. Read the research get some help, smoking is killing you and those around you, inch by inch, robbing you of of thousands of dollars annually. Money you could spend on living and playing. I am obviously very pro any legislation that restricts tobacco use, why wouldn’t you be. To me its the equivalent of Crack cocaine, and addicts will tell you its easier to quit crack than quit smoking. What does that indicate. Get help, wake up!!!!

]]> By: Two years of Homeland Stupidity - Homeland Stupidity http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/#comment-9991 Two years of Homeland Stupidity - Homeland Stupidity Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:50:28 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/#comment-9991 [...] For instance, smoking bans of various types have passed in numerous cities and states, undermining further Americans’ property rights. In Indianapolis, the smoking ban is causing businesses to shut their doors. Washington State passed a particularly egregious ban on smoking on private property, and it’s draining Seattle’s creative spirit. And, we also learned, the “science” used to justify smoking bans is pure bunk, some of it even being spread by the Surgeon General. [...] [...] For instance, smoking bans of various types have passed in numerous cities and states, undermining further Americans’ property rights. In Indianapolis, the smoking ban is causing businesses to shut their doors. Washington State passed a particularly egregious ban on smoking on private property, and it’s draining Seattle’s creative spirit. And, we also learned, the “science” used to justify smoking bans is pure bunk, some of it even being spread by the Surgeon General. [...]

]]> By: Mark Greco http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/#comment-9990 Mark Greco Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:10:38 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/#comment-9990 There goes my political career. All somebody has to do to defeat me now is make a little negative campaign mailer and get a little creative with their use of ellipsis (A skill I'm sure they could learn, working for the Surgeon General). I can just see it now: Independant Nominee Mark Greco a self-confessed babykiller! Sources have uncovered that as a young man, Mr. Greco had been found to have said on the internet "....I'm proud to be a red blooded American baby killer!" Would you want to be the one to blame for putting such a monster in office? We didn't think so. Punch 666 for Big Brother!" There goes my political career. All somebody has to do to defeat me now is make a little negative campaign mailer and get a little creative with their use of ellipsis (A skill I’m sure they could learn, working for the Surgeon General).

I can just see it now:

Independant Nominee Mark Greco a self-confessed babykiller! Sources have uncovered that as a young man, Mr. Greco had been found to have said on the internet “….I’m proud to be a red blooded American baby killer!” Would you want to be the one to blame for putting such a monster in office? We didn’t think so. Punch 666 for Big Brother!”

]]> By: Mark Greco http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/#comment-9989 Mark Greco Tue, 19 Sep 2006 05:43:33 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/#comment-9989 If smoking makes me a baby killer, than I'm proud to be a red blooded American baby killer! If smoking makes me a baby killer, than I’m proud to be a red blooded American baby killer!

]]> By: Michael http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/#comment-9988 Michael Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:53:20 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/#comment-9988 AFD, As an avid non-smoker I'm here to tell you that your comment isn't only horribly mispelled, but completely assinine and misinformed. The FDAs study of second hands smoke was sensationalized, if not completely fabricated. The results found that there was no significant increase in cancer or heart disease in persons subjected to second hand smoke as opposed to those that weren't. They filed the report anyway and now there is a political and social fiasco surrounding it. The SG and government's continued attempts to limit an establishment's ability to allow smoking withing their place of business is a violation of civil liberties and the concept of free enterpise. Who is the governement to tell a bar owner that his patrons can't smoke? The only place I support a smoking ban are on planes, because you can't exactly crack open a window for circulation. And I have to ask, in your post you wrote "big brown stick filled with weeds". This confused me, as I don't know anyone that smokes weeds. If you mean tobacco, than it's actually categorized as a plant, not a weed. AFD,

As an avid non-smoker I’m here to tell you that your comment isn’t only horribly mispelled, but completely assinine and misinformed. The FDAs study of second hands smoke was sensationalized, if not completely fabricated. The results found that there was no significant increase in cancer or heart disease in persons subjected to second hand smoke as opposed to those that weren’t. They filed the report anyway and now there is a political and social fiasco surrounding it.

The SG and government’s continued attempts to limit an establishment’s ability to allow smoking withing their place of business is a violation of civil liberties and the concept of free enterpise. Who is the governement to tell a bar owner that his patrons can’t smoke? The only place I support a smoking ban are on planes, because you can’t exactly crack open a window for circulation.

And I have to ask, in your post you wrote “big brown stick filled with weeds”. This confused me, as I don’t know anyone that smokes weeds. If you mean tobacco, than it’s actually categorized as a plant, not a weed.

]]> By: Scott http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/#comment-9987 Scott Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:08:42 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/06/29/surgeon-general-clouds-tobacco-smoke-issue/#comment-9987 AFD, Nice spelling. How about I send you a book so you can learn to write? With a little bit of help I can get you on your way to being a monkey trainer. (Or maybe a monkey trainee) AFD,

Nice spelling. How about I send you a book so you can learn to write? With a little bit of help I can get you on your way to being a monkey trainer. (Or maybe a monkey trainee)

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