Comments on: Spellings plan for higher ed: Track every college student http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/ Protect yourself from government gaffes, bureaucratic blunders and incumbent incompetence Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:25:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: President Bush forming conference on school violence - Homeland Stupidity http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/#comment-11351 President Bush forming conference on school violence - Homeland Stupidity Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:30:41 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/#comment-11351 [...] Declining test scores brought us No Child Left Behind. Successes of international institutions of higher education have brought us the Commission on the Future of Higher Education. I can only imagine what this conference will bring. Comments RSS - Trackback URI [...] [...] Declining test scores brought us No Child Left Behind. Successes of international institutions of higher education have brought us the Commission on the Future of Higher Education. I can only imagine what this conference will bring. Comments RSS – Trackback URI [...]

]]> By: Jason http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/#comment-11350 Jason Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:29:50 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/#comment-11350 The <em>futrue</em> is now! ( Nitpick @ Dana :) ) The futrue is now!

( Nitpick @ Dana :) )

]]> By: Matthew http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/#comment-11349 Matthew Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:44:49 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/#comment-11349 Danielle, you make it sound as if everyone is capable of getting a college education. The truth is, that while 80% of high school seniors think they will get a college degree, only 30% actually do. A large portion of people are not helped by college; they can't handle the workload. I have people in my high school classes that struggle to keep up, should we make it possible for them to get a college education, even if it means making college easier? And if they can't keep up with college, does that mean they should have to pay taxes that support other people to get a degree? That hardly seems fair to them. It is possible for anyone to pay for college, even those in low tax brackets. 1. Many private universities are instituting need based financial aid to all students. 2. They can work while they are in college. 3. They can work when they get out of college. I personally know a psychiatrist who worked his way through a doctorate in psychology. Personal freedom does not always mean being free; it also means having personal responsibility Danielle, you make it sound as if everyone is capable of getting a college education. The truth is, that while 80% of high school seniors think they will get a college degree, only 30% actually do. A large portion of people are not helped by college; they can’t handle the workload.

I have people in my high school classes that struggle to keep up, should we make it possible for them to get a college education, even if it means making college easier? And if they can’t keep up with college, does that mean they should have to pay taxes that support other people to get a degree? That hardly seems fair to them.

It is possible for anyone to pay for college, even those in low tax brackets.

1. Many private universities are instituting need based financial aid to all students.

2. They can work while they are in college.

3. They can work when they get out of college.

I personally know a psychiatrist who worked his way through a doctorate in psychology. Personal freedom does not always mean being free; it also means having personal responsibility

]]> By: George Petrie http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/#comment-11348 George Petrie Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:59:09 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/#comment-11348 Idealist no, Socialist YES Q. If tutition is free where does the funding for universities come from? A. Taxpayers! Q. Who pays taxes? A. Those in the workforce! Discussion Point One: So if taxpayers pay taxes and those taxes fund higher education, for freeloaders, can you morally justify recieving that education? It isn't free, someone is paying! Discussion Point Two: While demanding government involvement in university education, the government then mandates you must have health insurance to attend college. Your complaint is? Discussion Point Three: You increase government intrusion in the workforce through higher taxes, crippling private business and the job/wage market. You wonder why jobs are difficult to come by? Solution: You can get a government job where an ever increasingly burdened private sector, is robbed of it's justly earned income, to pay your excessive wages and benefits. You shouldn't have to fill out an application since the government has all your information already. I am sure they will have just the position to force you into. Conclusion: Personal responsibility has long left California and is spreading across this nation so explain: If you choose to go into debt it is a personal choice. Geez, I have heard that before from some large taxpayer funded death instituition but no one complains about that personal cholce. And do not hold California up as a beacon of light. The depravity from within that state is a cancer to this nation. Idealist no, Socialist YES

Q. If tutition is free where does the funding for universities come from?

A. Taxpayers!

Q. Who pays taxes?

A. Those in the workforce!

Discussion Point One:

So if taxpayers pay taxes and those taxes fund higher education, for freeloaders, can you morally justify recieving that education?

It isn’t free, someone is paying!

Discussion Point Two:

While demanding government involvement in university education, the government then mandates you must have health insurance to attend college.

Your complaint is?

Discussion Point Three:

You increase government intrusion in the workforce through higher taxes, crippling private business and the job/wage market.

You wonder why jobs are difficult to come by?

Solution:

You can get a government job where an ever increasingly burdened private sector, is robbed of it’s justly earned income, to pay your excessive wages and benefits. You shouldn’t have to fill out an application since the government has all your information already. I am sure they will have just the position to force you into.

Conclusion:

Personal responsibility has long left California and is spreading across this nation so explain:

If you choose to go into debt it is a personal choice. Geez, I have heard that before from some large taxpayer funded death instituition but no one complains about that personal cholce.

And do not hold California up as a beacon of light. The depravity from within that state is a cancer to this nation.

]]> By: George Petrie http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/#comment-11347 George Petrie Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:27:40 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/#comment-11347 Hello Nigel, Two points for discussion: 1. "Evil reigns when godly men stay silent." As the Germans stood silent, the Jews were marched to the extermination camps. Is this extreme? No, it began with population tracking. 2. Which government program once installed has ever been recinded? Nigel, your apathy is deadly. Unfortunately your generation will count the cost. Hello Nigel,

Two points for discussion:

1. “Evil reigns when godly men stay silent.” As the Germans stood silent, the Jews were marched to the extermination camps. Is this extreme? No, it began with population tracking.

2. Which government program once installed has ever been recinded?

Nigel, your apathy is deadly. Unfortunately your generation will count the cost.

]]> By: Danielle Kilchenstei http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/#comment-11346 Danielle Kilchenstei Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:25:06 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/#comment-11346 First, the cost of tuition is increasing, but limiting financial aid will only make it more difficult to attend an institution of higher education. Policies are continually restricing attendance to college, for instance the "hard waiver" that requires students to have health insurance is another cost associated with college now. Second, I am a student that is an example of not graduating on time because of the university. I will not go into detail, lets just say that there are many students who do not graduate on time due to institutional restraints or holdbacks. Lastly, students do graduate with debt. However, they are expected to be able to find a good job with that college degree to pay those loans. This is becoming difficult. I say help students become educated as much as possible and aim at increasing jobs availability and salary. Maybe even apply education and job opportunity equally among all, or am I just being an idealist?! California allows free college tuition to all of its residents. Get on board people!!!! First, the cost of tuition is increasing, but limiting financial aid will only make it more difficult to attend an institution of higher education. Policies are continually restricing attendance to college, for instance the “hard waiver” that requires students to have health insurance is another cost associated with college now.
Second, I am a student that is an example of not graduating on time because of the university. I will not go into detail, lets just say that there are many students who do not graduate on time due to institutional restraints or holdbacks.
Lastly, students do graduate with debt. However, they are expected to be able to find a good job with that college degree to pay those loans. This is becoming difficult. I say help students become educated as much as possible and aim at increasing jobs availability and salary. Maybe even apply education and job opportunity equally among all, or am I just being an idealist?! California allows free college tuition to all of its residents. Get on board people!!!!

]]> By: Nigel Watt http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/#comment-11344 Nigel Watt Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:38:08 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/#comment-11344 Because even if a few of us realize how bad this is, most don't. When it actually goes into effect, or if the proposals get more egregious, it'll be time. Because even if a few of us realize how bad this is, most don’t. When it actually goes into effect, or if the proposals get more egregious, it’ll be time.

]]> By: Dana http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/#comment-11345 Dana Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:56:34 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/#comment-11345 Perhaps. I think this kind of thing happens because most don't care enough to think about it much in the first place. And they won't care much later. It took years for parents to realize that NCLB included a measure requiring schools to turn over information on their children to military recruiters. Even though it was printed in the little newsletter sent home at the beginning of the school year. People don't care enough to read the fine print and really think through how it affects them. Perhaps. I think this kind of thing happens because most don’t care enough to think about it much in the first place. And they won’t care much later. It took years for parents to realize that NCLB included a measure requiring schools to turn over information on their children to military recruiters. Even though it was printed in the little newsletter sent home at the beginning of the school year. People don’t care enough to read the fine print and really think through how it affects them.

]]> By: Spellings plan for higher ed: Track every college student at Student Education Resources and Information http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/#comment-11343 Spellings plan for higher ed: Track every college student at Student Education Resources and Information Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:02:37 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/#comment-11343 [...] Original post by Dana Hanley for Student News Published by September 28th, 2006 in Student News. Tags: Student News. « Intruder stole cash at student common room - Leeds Today NME produces Topman-sponsored student guide - Brand Republic Bulletin » [...] [...] Original post by Dana Hanley for Student News Published by September 28th, 2006 in Student News. Tags: Student News. « Intruder stole cash at student common room – Leeds Today NME produces Topman-sponsored student guide – Brand Republic Bulletin » [...]

]]> By: Dana http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/#comment-11342 Dana Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:39:43 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/09/28/spellings-plan-for-higher-ed-track-every-college-student/#comment-11342 Why wait until it gets worse? By then, it will be harder to change. Right now, several states are already on the verge of rejecting NCLB and universities are not yet dependent on these promised funds. Right now would be the most productive time to object. Why wait until it gets worse? By then, it will be harder to change. Right now, several states are already on the verge of rejecting NCLB and universities are not yet dependent on these promised funds. Right now would be the most productive time to object.

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