No-fly list confirmed useless to stop terrorists

October 7, 2006 @ Michael Hampton9 Comments

Robert Johnson. Gary Smith. John Williams. Daniel Brown. James Moore. These are but a few of the 44,000 names on the federal government’s “no-fly list,” which CBS News said it has obtained and will feature on Sunday’s60 Minutes television broadcast.

CBS reported Thursday that its investigative reporter Steve Kroft obtained a copy of the no-fly list in cooperation with the National Security News Service and on Sunday’s broadcast will speak to a former FBI counterterrorism agent who will say how ineffective the no-fly list has been in catching terrorists.

The former FBI agent, Jack Cloonan, knew the list that was hastily assembled after 9/11, would be bungled. “When we heard the name list or no-fly list — the eyes rolled back in my head, because we knew what was going to happen,” he says. “They basically did a massive data dump and said, ‘Okay, anybody that’s got a nexus to terrorism, let’s make sure they get on the list,’” he tells Kroft.

The “data dump” of names from the files of several government agencies, including the CIA, fed into the computer compiling the list contained many unlikely terrorists. These include Saddam Hussein, who is under arrest, Nabih Berri, Lebanon’s parliamentary speaker, and Evo Morales, the president of Bolivia. It also includes the names of 14 of the 19 dead 9/11 hijackers. — CBS News

“Easy to evade, it provides no protection against people who haven’t yet done anything wrong, who haven’t come to the attention of security officials, or who have adopted an alias,” writes Jim Harper, Cato Institute director of information policy studies. “Terrorist planners are nothing more than inconvenienced by having to use people with ‘clean’ records.”

The pointless listing of people who are dead or have already been detained, as well as uncounted thousands of very common names, is bad enough. But the no-fly list doesn’t actually include current terrorism suspects, such as the British suspects arrested in August for a foiled plot to bomb U.S. airliners, or other people who have actually committed terrorist acts.

Why aren’t terrorists and terrorist suspects on the no-fly list?

The excuse the government gave is because the terrorists might find out that they’re on the no-fly list. “The government doesn’t want that information outside the government,” Cathy Berrick, director of Homeland Security investigations for the General Accounting Office, told CBS News.

So much for a no-fly list that actually accomplishes its stated purpose of stopping terrorists. What’s the point of inconveniencing thousands of Americans again? If you aren’t putting terrorist suspects on the list, but just common names and people like Saddam Hussein who are not likely to fly anytime soon, what exactly is the point?

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9 Comments → “No-fly list confirmed useless to stop terrorists”


  1. Time to emigrate

    Oct 09, 2006

    Somewhere George Orwell is smiling.

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  2. dammed in the USA

    Oct 17, 2006

    how typical of the usa to inconvenience everyone but the terorist.
    take a lesson from ol;d saint nick USA, make a list and
    check it twice!

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  3. 341

    Oct 23, 2006

    I´m on that so called list, as I frequent the Middle East a lot. I have
    been detained in Dulles on more than one occasion.
    I´m not Middle Eastern, in any event those TSA workers are bunch of
    retards.

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  4. 7734

    Oct 24, 2006

    341, I also have been detained and inconvenienced by the “no-fly” list.
    It is of no value other than to cause real terrorists to explore new ways
    to circumvent operations procedures. But, to say “those TSA workers are a
    bunch of retards is a bit judgemental. I would say they are not so much
    retards as improperly trained or undertrained. Most, with little or no previous
    experience in physical security work, are given a minimal amount of “training”
    and then sent out to perform great and wonderful feats in physical security
    to thwart the real terrorists. On top of this add low pay, long hours, and
    hundreds or thousands of inconvienced travelers with whom they must contend on a
    daily basis. Travelers who often are obnoxious and nasty but still want to
    be protected from acts of terrorism. I’d say provide them with better pay,
    much, much better training and perhaps the “no-fly” list stupidity may be
    corrected to reflect actual bad boys and girls.

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  5. Oct 27, 2006

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  6. Sam Turkman

    Dec 30, 2006

    Is there a No Fly List posted on Web to see if I’m on it?

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  7. Jan 20, 2007

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  8. Jun 19, 2007

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  9. aime r sylvestre

    Jul 01, 2007

    How do we findout if we are on the list prior to buying a ticket or booking a flite.

    Reply

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