The military intelligence unit responsible for spying on Americans had to evacuate its Fort Meade, Md., offices Friday after a six-alarm fire broke out.
A fire broke out shortly after 3 p.m. on the roof of Nathan Hale Hall, at 4554 Llewellyn Ave., just on the other side of the golf course from the National Security Agency headquarters. Construction was underway on the part of the roof that caught fire, according to Lt. Col. James Peterson, director of emergency services at Fort Meade.
Firefighters from Prince George’s, Howard and Anne Arundel counties and from Fort Meade responded and the fire burned until after 10 p.m., according to news reports. It’s not clear whether personnel will be able to return to work in the building immediately.
The cause of the blaze, which apparently began on the peaked roof of the red-brick building, was not immediately known and was under investigation.
“Everyone in the building was evacuated safely, and we had one firefighter who sustained a minor injury to his leg,” said Jennifer Downing, a Meade spokeswoman.
Downing declined to discuss the building’s contents, calling them “sensitive in nature.” — Washington Post
The strangest news report, however, was this one:
Jennifer Downing, a spokesman for the post, would only confirm a fire was burning at 4554 Llewellyn Ave., deep inside the west county Army base. She directed calls to a spokesman with the Army’s Criminal Investigation Division, who did not return calls.
Fort Meade’s fire chief also did not return calls for comment. And later, a public affairs officer told The Capital to file a Freedom of Information Act request. — Annapolis Capital
The Army’s 902nd Military Intelligence Unit is one of several military units housed in Nathan Hale Hall. It is responsible, among other things, for the Threat and Local Observation Notice database which the military uses to track potential threats to its bases and personnel. NBC News revealed last December that the database inappropriately held information on Americans engaging in Constitutionally protected activities, including an anti-war protest conducted by Quakers. The Department of Defense has since rectified the problems in the database and retrained personnel.
There isn’t enough information to say whether it was arson, but there is enough information to say this: Karma’s a bitch.
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902d Warrior
Oct 21, 2006
Anyone can counter your intelligence… Your a momma’s boy, you coward and moron… Go hide behind your mommies skirt you idiot. Join the Army and become a real man or woman. I bet you would take a crap in your pants if you had to fight for your country. GO vote for Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and other leftist that have wet dreams about when you sleep at night. I will bet that voted for Billy Clinton and wanted Monica to go down on you.
Michael Hampton
Oct 21, 2006
Sorry, but I’m no Democrat. But you’re almost funny.
Lone Wolf
Oct 21, 2006
Do you know who your real mommy daddy were? Are you a Quaker or do you just quake in your boots?
I know your liberal, flower child type that wants to sit around and bad mouth your country tell lies about organizations that protect your right to say stupid things.
You should write a Talon Report on yourself and send it to CIFA. It is sounds the Threat and Local Observation Notice database was meant for people like you.
Michael Hampton
Oct 21, 2006
Pick a name and stick with it, please. Otherwise you’ll confuse the people who can’t tell you’re the same account.
As I’ve said about 300 times already, I’m no liberal, and even a brief look around here would confirm that. It would seem that military intelligence isn’t that great at gathering intelligence anymore…
As for lying, DoD has confirmed all of the above as true, so I have no idea why you think they’re lying.
And finally, didn’t you take an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and to bear true faith and allegiance to the same? That’s what this is all about.
The minute the government, military or civilian, starts spying on its own citizens, it ceases being a free country based on the principles laid down in the Constitution, and becomes a police state.
Fortunately, the Quakers and old ladies’ clubs in the TALON database was a mistake, rather than anyone intentionally gathering intel on Americans, and DoD got it cleaned up. I have no complaints there.
But as Thomas Jefferson said, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. That means We the People have to watch the government very closely and call foul when it steps out of line. I’m sorry if that bothers you. But if it ever stops, then you can be sure that this free country will fall into some sort of tyranny.
JDL
Oct 21, 2006
Mr. Hampton,
I do not think your comments are very helpful or constructive.
People in the Intelligence Community are hard working dedicated professionals. The US military, law enforcement, and intelligence organizations go to great lengths to protect the constitutional rights of US citizens. Many laws, regulations, and guidelines are followed to ensure that these activities are done legally and in the least intrusive manner.
I do not see the need to lambaste the Media Office and Emergency Services personnel at Fort Meade, MD. If you check the Fort Meade web site, you can view the official statement from the Installation Media Office. I suspect the installation media and emergency services personnel were inexperienced in handling this situation. The fire occurred late in the day. Many personnel had already left for the day when the fire started to spread and became a major news story. They were probably very busy, had some coordination problems with information and points of contact, were trying to gather facts when the status of the fire was changing constantly, and trying to get information that could be officially released. Some confusion among the various organizations is understandable under these circumstances and should be reflected in your article.
Again, I do not understand what the comments regarding CIFA have to do with the fire. If you think some type of poetic justice exists between the unrelated events, I guess that is your opinion. I do not agree with it. DOD has admitted some mistakes were made by CIFA in the handling the Talon Reports and cornerstone database. The incidents you referenced were investigated and corrective actions were implemented to prevent a recurrence.
I hope that you will be more objective and thoroughly research the facts showing that corrective actions were taken by DOD. I have never known any in the law enforcement or intelligence community that has deliberately tried to violate anyone’s constitutional rights. Your inferences to earlier articles suggest sinister motives and government conspiracies are simply wrong.
JS
JDL
Michael Hampton
Oct 21, 2006
Thanks. That’s criticism I can actually use.
This isn’t a conspiracy site, and as a general rule I hate conspiracy theories.
I’m well aware that the vast majority of law enforcement, intelligence and military personnel are hard working professionals dedicated to protecting the country and the rights of our citizens. But being in the military, you must surely be aware that mistakes do happen, and on rare occasions, there’s someone who will intentionally break the rules.
The “comments regarding CIFA” are, unfortunately, just about the only thing the general public knows about the 902nd. The down side to working in secret is that when you do something good, nobody knows about it, but if something bad happens, it’s only a matter of time before it’s front page news. (This is another reason I find conspiracy theories ridiculous; if there were any reality behind them, they’d be on the front page of every newspaper in the country.)
I was well aware that DoD had taken appropriate action to retrain personnel and remove inappropriate entries from the database, as I’ve previously covered this, and due to some oversight on my part, the original story did not reflect this. I’ve updated the story to convey these facts.
Finally, as for yesterday’s Act of God, I guess we’ll have to disagree. I’m still a firm believer in Karma, or “What goes around comes around.”
JDL
Oct 21, 2006
Multiple persons use this account. We have one logon to this terminal and different persons use it throughout the day. For clarity, we will use the handle JDL.
Your supposition that the government ’spies’ on US citizens is wrong.
I do not know any person within these career fields that would obey orders that violate the right of US citizens. Persons receive continuous training and education not to make these types of mistakes and weed out persons who do something inappropriate or illegal. People who violate their oath to the constitution, laws, regulations and policy are punished and usual have short employment periods within these organizations.
MAJ Arkay
Oct 21, 2006
Some general critiques, not confined solely to Mr. Hampton’s article:
Why is it necessary for the media to mention the National Security Agency in any article about something at Fort Meade? NSA is nowhere near Nathan Hale Hall, has nothing to do with the 902d MI Group’s mission or facilities, and it’s highly unlikely anyone from NSA had anything to do with the fire. I can surmise several reasons, none very complimentary to the authors, but I’ll confine myself to suggesting that if you haven’t got a “so what,” then there’s no reason to throw NSA into the report.
“The “comments regarding CIFA†are, unfortunately, just about the only thing the general public knows about the 902nd.” And the general public gets its information from you journalists, sir, so it’s incumbant upon you all to provide accurate information. Your statement shows you’re not doing so, even though accurate information has been provided to the news media numerous times.
The 902d MI Group is NOT charged with “spying on Americans,” no matter how badly some people want to believe it. The 902d is not the Department of Defense Counterintelligence Field Activity, which held the TALON database. The 902d MI Group is part of the US Army Intelligence and Security Command (Army). DoD CIFA is a field activity of the Under Secretary of Defense (Intelligence) (DoD). NSA is a Defense Agency with a completely different mission. Finally, DoD CIFA is not on Fort Meade.
NBC4 reported this morning that the fire was finally contained at 0230 this morning, not 3 hours after it began, as the photo caption said, nor at 2200, as the WAPO main article said, or the various hours in between, as other news media reported. So I suggest that there was a great confusion on both the Fort Meade spokespeople’s part, and the media, which is still rather all over the place on the fire itself.
The fire started near close of business on a Friday, so certainly details are a fast moving target, but throwing in NSA and CIFA and the ever wrong “spying on Americans” doesn’t make it a better report. Rather, it takes away from the fact of a huge WWII era building in one of the oldest parts of Fort Meade going up in a spectacular blaze. There’s history gone there, yet no one seems to care, except maybe the Fort Meade historian.
Spartacist
Oct 21, 2006
902d MI Gp’s motto is “Strength through Vigilance”. LMAO!
Anonymous
Oct 21, 2006
Way to go MAJ Arkey. I’m not sure what Mr. Hampton’s profession is, but it
is good to know that someone could help him get his facts straight
about NSA/902d/CIFA and Fort Meade. Having been member of two of the
organizations mention, this may well be a case where, the less the
public knows about the missions the better.
richard barnes
Oct 22, 2006
I guess the first prick that left his comment isnt very brave or intelligent
.Wont even leave a return link.Fascist asshole.If you are such a warrior,then what the fuck are you doing in Ft.meade and not in Iraq with the real
soldiers?What? couldn’t get a job at McDonald?I have the greatest respe
ct for our
military,the finest in the world.Its the assholes in government and you in particular,I have a problem with.It should not surprise me that the military had to lower its standards enough to enlist your dumb ass.So,Fuck you.Warrior.Come to New Hampshire.We have guns too and we dont shoot people who dont deserve it..I’ll give you direction to my house and we can have some ‘target practice”.Fuck of!!!
CBP
Oct 22, 2006
Richard Barnes, you are a stupid individual. How do you know where that guy has been. You obviously have never been on active duty. Don’t get upset because he is bashing your obviously beloved democratic party. Wow you live in New Hampshire and can fire guns. I’m pretty sure that you can do that in every state. No big deal there guy. It’s in the constitution. Yeah, the one that the guy you’re all pissed at defends. Sounds to me that the target practice thing could be a threat to a military member or a member of society in general. Sounds like terrorism to me. Which is the other thing that the so called “prick” is keeping you safe from. Get a life and don’t get so upset about the political views of other people. I’m sure you wouldn’t go around shooting the people that were knocking down your favorite Democrats signs in your neighborhood. Every military member has a tough job to do right now and remember they are not the ones that choose who goes where and who does what, your government does it for them. Your government tells them that they won’t see their family for a year, which really turns into 18 months to 2 years. Most don’t complain, they do it because it’s their obligation and their duty. If you can’t appreciate that, then get the hell out of the country, you’re not worth dying for.
Michael Fisher
Oct 22, 2006
Rather than being defensive, the 902nd should be highly apologetic and exceedingly careful not to repeat its mistakes.
They should also excuse Americans for being extremely paranoid after the 902nd’s prior violations of American privacy, intentional or not.
Or, you can dismiss us as Democrats to make yourselves feel better. That apparently works, too.
Spencer
Oct 22, 2006
I find it troubling that whomever is pretending to be from the 902d (at least I hope that no one in the military would post such idiotic comments) has twice intimated that you are a terrorist and that an investigation report should be filed against you:
Lone Wolf wrote:
CBP wrote:
Both of the above quotes sound a lot like many people who are entrusted with some level of “power” and then abuse it by letting things get personal.
Anthony B Pugh
Oct 22, 2006
Why is the Army even collecting and maintaining a database on domestic anti-war groups? Is such a thing even legal? What are they doing? Collecting an Enemies List of people for the 902nd to disappear in the near future? Is dissent such a threat to our national security? I think this is just another COINTELPRO and will be used to simply attack domestic critics.
What I think is laughable is that these fools in the Army actually think they are protecting our freedom when instead they are the biggest threat to our freedom.
richard barnes
Oct 22, 2006
CBD,
I have been in the military and I am definitely not a democrat.I am a Libertarian.Look it up and while you are at it read the bill of rights.BTW,fuck you too
Jeff R Thompson
Oct 22, 2006
I highly doubt military intelligence has enough intelligence to post
a comment, if they do, hope springs eternal. I am just waiting until
people start being loaded into box cars, then I can use my military
training to refresh the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants.
The only reason we wage war abroad is to avoid the civil war that
sits at our doorstep. This country is a powderkeg of unrest. I have
friends who are lawyers, doctors, teachers, nurses, etc. all of
whom would have been the last people in my mind to go out and
buy enough firepower for a small army. The average citizen is
becoming very pissed off, especially when they hear their
employees(all you military/government types), trying to tell them
what to do, threatening them, spying on them. This country is now
a combination of facisim, communisim, and dictatorship. Are you truly
stupid enough to think that Americans are going to sit back and do
nothing? You best update your OTV if that is the case. An aside,
New Hampshire, is going to leave the union soon, we want it to
be peaceful and only if the majority of people in New Hampshire
want it, but if troops are sent to stop our seccession then the
civil war will begin. States still have the right to leave the
union, that is the type of freedom you are meant to protect, do
you understand the lie you live if you try and
snuff out that type of freedom, think on this seriously.
If you are the type of person who would shoot another American who
lives in a state that is peacefully leaving the union then
you are an American I would point my rifle at, aim to kill and pull
the trigger. As for “protecting” us from the “terrorists,” grow a
brain you retards. No “terrorists” have invaded America, no Iraqi’s have
launched boats to land millions of troops on our shores, nor have
the Afgani’s or the soon to be nuked (thanks to your glorious Furhur
George Bush), Iranians. Where is the invasion? Do we have an invasion
of the body snatchers? Are the Koreans going to sneak up on us and
launch their glorious naval armada to invade Alaska? Maybe the
evil Russians are planning an invasion, ooohhh, I am so scared, of my
own Goddamn government you twats! YOU are taking away my freedoms,
YOU are a threat to my security and safety, YOU are the one who
hates my rights. If the founding fathers were alive today they
would be dead again as they would have tried to storm the Black
House, Congrees and the Senate. Luckily for you Americans are, for the
time being, to doped up on TV and shit food to realize that YOU
are the terrorist, that YOU are the evil scum trying to take
away our freedom and liberty than millions of Americans have
died trying to protect. I have no respect for you, none, you are
nothing but a pile of shit that needs to be flushed. I can protect
myself, I do not need the government to protect me from some made
up enemy.
Michael Fisher
Oct 22, 2006
The phrase “military intelligence” is too oxymoronic and nonsensical.
To describe government investigations and privacy-invading data gathering practices, I prefer the far more accurate double-meaning of the phrase: “criminal justice.”
Dave24
Oct 22, 2006
Assuming these people claiming to be Army are the real thing…
I do appreciate the fact that the Army folks would drop by and explain themselves in some form or fashion…even if they are being a little juvenille. All government workers should feel the need to defend their work and not be afraid to do so on a web forum.
I don’t know all the details about this unit or the allegations about it, but I do know that I was required to pay for its activities via the taxes I sent in last year.
I do appreciate many of the things the military has done in the past. But anyone who’s eating up tax dollars on purpose had better be doing great stuff and behaving pretty close to perfectly to justify even a small salary. I don’t think spying on Quakers would qualify.
Hey also I thought the military was supposed to be limited in its role against U.S. citizens inside the country?
Dave24
Oct 22, 2006
Oh and I forgot to post our website:
NHfree.com
Don’t forget to infiltrate and spy on us if in fact you are into watching peaceful patriotic folks.
local
Oct 22, 2006
“NSA is nowhere near Nathan Hale Hall, has nothing to do with the 902d MI Group’s mission or facilities”
Have you ever been to Ft. Meade? It’s not far, maybe a mile or two. NSA’s mailing address is Ft. Meade. People are fascinated with NSA, thus they are mentioned in articles. Not to mention, NSA facilities have more personnel than Ft. Meade. With all the bad publicity NSA has received, do you really think it’s all that odd that they are mentioned in connection with an incident at Ft. Meade? If they hadn’t specified that it was on the “base” side of the Fort, people would have been wondering if it was NSA that had the fire.
The fire outbreak was probably not handled as well as other local fire incidents probably have been. Within 2 miles of Ft. Meade, there are at least 3 fire departments (2 of which are volunteer units). Typically, any fire incident ends up having the 3 civilian fire departments as well as the Ft. Meade fire department show up, making the areas surrounding Ft. Meade sound like a war zone. Considering there was “sensitive information” in the facility, the powers that be decided to keep the response to military only. Perfectly reasonable considering that information in the facility was probably classified. There are regulations concerning how classified information should be handled, even in event of a catastrophe.
I’ll also reiterate some previous comments in that military intelligence is quite the oxymoron. Government intelligence and the intelligence community in general too.
Voter
Oct 23, 2006
Headline of the RNC Newsletter come Monday?
Perhaps: “Growing suspicion Diebold’s inability to deliver (again) in ‘06 may cause fires, subpoenas in the Washington D.C. area throughout the coming year”.
And since every front page story needs a quote, I suggest “It blowed-up reeeeeal good.” and attribute it to – Army Intelligence, Ft. Meade, MD.
Additionally, if there is a sparcity of photos/videos (due to the interests of “republican national security”), then they can re-run shots and samples from clips showing the tons of paperwork flying out of all the ministry buildings in Baghdad a few days after “Mission Accomplished”.
And finally, I think they may want to include a reminder at the end of the piece that all requests for pardons MUST be received prior to midnight, January 19, 2009.
Conyeezy
Oct 23, 2006
It is worth mentioning that when someone mentions ‘Military Intelligence’ as a field or bureau, they must realize it is a loaded word. Any individual enlisting in the army has many potential careers to choose from, with MI being one of them. PVT Joe Snuffy could be in MI. MI as a field is not populated with 35yo coat-and-tie power-seekers any more than any other Military Occupational Specialisty (MOS), which is to say not at all.
On the same note, Officers in the military receive their missions from other Officers; they merely have a bit of leeway in how to interpret going about their mission. The Soldier is then given the exact task to be accomplished. If, for example, the Soldier is told ‘take these sheets of paper and enter the information into an Excel spreadsheet, he does just that. No more, no less. Were the domestic spying program to be handled even remotely by the US Army, which it is not, the individuals performing the paperwork tasks are doing exactly what they swore to do; they don’t sit around and think of new ways to oppress the populace. They wouldn’t have the authority to make such a decision anyways. Hell, most aren’t even allowed to decorate their barracks room they way they want!
This has been a bit of rambling, I know, but it tends to rub me the wrong way when someone a bit ignorant of military life assumes those in the military are responsible for such things.
Mark M
Oct 23, 2006
Hello all
Nice to see talk about my old unit the 902nd MI Group. And it was freaky to see my old Headquarters in flames. I worked in that exact part of the building a few years back.
So what is all this nonsense that I see being spoken about The Deuce? First of all the 902nd MI is not a National Security Agency organization. NSA has a bigger mission. The 902nd has a different mission that focuses on those threats to military facilities here in the United States. To associate the 902nd with NSA just shows one’s ignorance of the facts.
Collecting on Quakers? Well hey, if the Quakers, the Boy Scouts, the Taliban or the League of Women Voters were going to stage a protest at a military facility in the United States, then as one wanting to protect our military facilities in the United States, I would certainly be inclined to collect information on any such threats. Yeah it may just be a peaceful protest, but it poses the potential for a threat.
Now to infiltrate organizations to collect on law abiding citizens, that is against the law. But to report threats or acts of violence against military personnel and facilities is justifiable.
We in the military took/take an oath to protect the Constitution of the United States from all enemies both foreign and domestic. And while most Americans see no problem with fighting foreign threats, the notion of fighting domestic threats all of a sudden becomes a debate over freedom of speech. Fighting the enemy within is a grey area oft debated in our society. But threats to our constitution exist in many forms throughout this society. Those threats need to be identified, investigated and if necessary, eliminated. The problem though, is figuring out who the real enemy of the United States Constitution is, or should I say, are? Enemies come in many shapes sizes and constituencies. Some are elected, some are the unaffected or ignorant class, and then some are the cowards that veil their image of self worth, with the rights which they use as a camouflage for their wicked and self prserving designs.
Anthony B Pugh
Oct 23, 2006
You are absolutely right Mark M. As Keith Olbermann just said we now have “A government more dangerous to our liberty, than is the enemy it claims to protect us from.”
You might have swore to protect the Constitution but does anyone even bother to read the Constitution they swore to uphold? I honestly doubt it so I honestly doubt that when the time comes, you or anyone else in the Army will lift a finger to defend the Constitution.
The threat to our Constitution and our liberties has already been identified. You are it. It is units like the 902nd and the NSA and other parts of the Federal government that have become the biggest threat to our freedom.
MAJ Arkay
Oct 23, 2006
What’s really sad is the ignorance of the military is so widespread these days, that far too many people automatically assume that the US military (and therefore Military Intelligence) is about to trample all over the civilian populace. We’re not, but when someone has already decided something, mere fact will not change their minds. Sad, truly sad.
Local, a mile or two away is nowhere near. The fire endangered nothing of NSA.
There is no reason to mention NSA in any and every media report about another intelligence organization, because it doesn’t begin to meet the “so what” criteria. In this case, NSA facilities were in no danger from the fire, NSA and 902d have completely different missions and chains of command, and mentioning NSA provided no clarity to the report. In fact, throwing NSA into the story probably just confused folks.
Anthony, 902d is not maintaining such a database. I believe you may be confusing organizations.
Jeff, this left me utterly confused: “If you are the type of person who would shoot another American who lives in a state that is peacefully leaving the union then you are an American I would point my rifle at, aim to kill and pull the trigger.”
I thought the unpleasantness of 1860-1865 had been settled. Could you please clarify this?
Mark M, saying what you would do, versus what 902d is actually authorized to do, probably added to the confusion. Just because someone is planning or is holding a demonstration doesn’t mean there’s automatically a potential threat. It’s why there’s a separation between intelligence collection on US persons and law enforcement doing its keeping order job.
There’s an awful lot of raw emotion here, that has nothing to do with the fire. Rather than calling names and making sweeping generalizations, why not try and explain what you believe and why, rather than blaming a political position/party/agenda?
Just sayin’…
Mark M
Oct 23, 2006
The 902nd has offices all across the US at every major army facility. And all sorts of things are reported back to the HQ at Fort Meade. Some of the information being reported is credible information, while most of what is reported warrants no further investigation for example a planned protest at an army post, or the report of suspicious looking individuals carrying binoculars too close to a military convoy, or an anti USA slogan painted on an army recruiting station. But the difference is between not credible and credible. If you look at the mission of the organization, the 902nd is collecting information on Foreign Intelligence Services activities in the USA. There is nothing wrong with that.
Here is the mission statement direct from their website:
“The mission of the 902d Military Intelligence Group is to protect Army Forces, Secrets, Technologies, and Facilities by detecting, neutralizing, and exploiting Foreign Intelligence Services and International Terrorist Threats.”
The many offices spread across the US receive thousands of calls relating to a whole spectrum of potential threats to continental US based forces. Like I said, most of the threats are not credible, but a few are. Communication of the many threats of course goes back to HQ in Fort Meade. But all the conspiracy theorists in this country and abroad see Fort Meade and think NSA. The 902nd’s reputation therefore is tainted by the main stream media’s negative perception of their neighbor, the National Security Agency. That makes sense, and so, you have a handful of the uninformed passing along all sorts of misinformation, i.e. Michael Hampton.
The 902nd’s role in the Florida Quaker story is muddied. Did the 902nd send in operatives to report on their activities? Um, you are court martialed, fined and often sent to a place called Leavenworth for doing that.
I believe that some twisted individuals choose to use this incident to stoke the flames of fire not against a military facility at Fort Meade, but against the present administration in Washington. I believe our own Constitution will destroy our country simply through wars of rhetorical translation. And I believe the threats to the United States are not only foreign, but domestic. These threats reside in the hearts of those venemous propagandists who unconsciously undermine the future of this country, by setting us viciously upon each other. The divisive behavior of both conservatives and liberals will fan the flames of destruction that many of our enemies, both foreign and domestic truly seek.
EMK
Oct 23, 2006
What drivel!! A building burned…that’s about all. All this talk about consiracies, and spying, and all this nonsense is the paranoid showing up in you. I
know and have served with soldiers from the 902d. We went out of our way
to ensure the rights of US citizens were protected. You who are posting
denigrating anyones service have no right, and would have no rights unless they served. The trouble with you guys, is that as soldiers we are willing to die for our cause, whic is to protect and defend the constitution. You though just want to believe that all soldiers are bad, the govenment is bad, and all we want is to accrue power. You are dead wrong, and you are a sad bunch for turning on a country that gives you the right to pontificate here, Try saying all this nonsense in Iran, and we’ll be there to look at your head…separated from your body I might add.
spartacist
Oct 24, 2006
It appears that the urge to be right and point out facts here on this blog may not be the best OPSEC.
Deuce
Oct 25, 2006
Interesting that I spent 5 minutes reading the comments of people I have never met nor will ever meet. I find myself busting my ass for the past week cleaning up the remains of the 902d building…Hmmm…this all seems like a waste of time pushing little plastic pieces on the computer to form words that someone in his underwear with a beer in his hand will read…and will probably disagree with. Well, I think I will go and read a book and get smarter that way…good luck on all your ramblings, I doubt anyone’s opinions will be swayed……and don’t forget to vote!!! -Deuce Out
D. Astin
Oct 30, 2006
It’s good to see this discourse, all types of folks ‘hashing it out’;
this is part of our “self correcting process.” One of many important
points brought up in this thread is “..as Thomas Jefferson said, the
price of freedom is eternal vigilance. That means We the People have
to watch the government very closely and call foul when it steps out
of line.” This is the job of the people and this is why we vote.
Presently, and clearly, there is a lack of critically important
congressional oversight in regards to SAPs and a number of other
government operations and programs. It is very important that we do
not tend to ’shutdown’ discourse about these issues. There is a good
deal of evidence that [at least] strongly indicates that military and
other governmental resources have been misused by the present
administration in quite a few areas; this in combination with the
historic knowledge that we have that some of these resources, and
“resources akin,” have been abused, sometimes seriously, in the not
so distant past points to an urgent need for inquiry and highlights
the legal requirements for congressional oversight.
The potential for hidden and unchecked damage to our complex and rich
American society by misuse of these abovementioned abuse is a reality
and with all due respect to the thousands of honest-hardworking
government employees proper inquiry and oversight must be applied.
D. Astin
Oct 30, 2006
So much for cut and paste, that should read:
The potential for hidden and unchecked damage to our complex and rich
American society by misuse of these abovementioned resources is a
reality and with all due respect to the thousands of honest-hardworking
government employees proper inquiry and oversight must be applied.
Douglas Durtz
Jan 18, 2008
There were people from the 902nd used in the murder of Martin Luther king Jr. as survailence and as back up shooters according to William Pepper
our military has been slowly brought to work against us- the hierarcy is working for european interests( the old reich)
the event called 911 could not have happened without military help.
so sad.