Campus police repeatedly shocked a University of California Los Angeles student with a Taser after he allegedly refused to leave a campus library computer lab.
Mostafa Tabatabainejad, 23, was in a Powell Library computer lab at 11:30 p.m. Tuesday night when he refused to show identification to a campus security officer. Long standing UCLA policy requires anyone in the labs to show a student ID after 11 p.m. for public safety reasons.
What happened after that is less clear. Eyewitnesses and a video shot from a camera phone dispute many parts of the official police report. The only part accounts agree on is that police arrived and repeatedly tasered Tabatabainejad.
After repeated requests, the officer left and returned with campus police, who asked Tabatabainejad to leave “multiple times,” according to a statement by the UCLA Police Department.
“He continued to refuse,” the statement said. “As the officers attempted to escort him out, he went limp and continued to refuse to cooperate with officers or leave the building.”
Witnesses disputed that account, saying that when campus police arrived, Tabatabainejad had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack. When an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, the witnesses said, Tabatabainejad told the officer to let go, yelling “Get off me” several times.
“Tabatabainejad encouraged library patrons to join his resistance,” police said. “The officers deemed it necessary to use the Taser.”
“It was beyond grotesque,” said UCLA graduate David Remesnitsky of Los Angeles, who witnessed the incident. “By the end they took him over the stairs, lifted him up and Tasered him on his rear end. It seemed like it was inappropriately placed. The Tasering was so unnecessary and they just kept doing it.” — Los Angeles Times
Watch the camera phone video:
Much has been said about whether police acted appropriately in this case. I try not to judge these things prematurely, either in favor of the police or those on whom they use violence. But in this case, much is working against the police:
First, the police repeatedly order Tabatabainejad to stand up. But every time he’s nearly on his feet, they Taser him again, causing him to fall. One of these times, police caused him to fall down a flight of stairs. It’s not known whether he was seriously injured or given medical attention at all.
Second, the police repeatedly threatened to Taser people who were asking for their names and badge numbers, even after the situation was under control.
Students who protested at the treatment were themselves threatened to keep their distance or cop a tasering. Laila Gordy, “a fourth-year economics student who was present in the library during the incident”, claimed officers threatened to zap her “when she asked an officer for his name and his badge number”.
Eyewitness David Remesnitsky said of the incident: “It was the most disgusting and vile act I had ever seen in my life.” — The Register
Officials have promised an “administrative investigation,” but none of the officers involved in the incident have been suspended or reassigned pending the investigation.
It seems to me that he picked a bad policy to protest. Campus buildings are hardly public places in which one might expect to be able to travel freely without producing identification. The university certainly has the power to regulate who can be on campus or parts of it. Had he been on a public way, then it might have been a worthwhile protest.
At the same time, it seems that officials have confused the ends, ensuring that only students, faculty and staff are in the library after 11 p.m., with the means, checking ID through random sweeps. There are several other, and perhaps better, means to accomplish the end, and yet bureaucrats chose the means most likely to eventually end up in violence and police brutality, especially by emphasizing the means and making secondary the reason IDs were being checked in the first place.
It’s as if they want this sort of thing to happen.
Los Angeles has long been a hotbed of police violence and brutality, and perhaps the UCLA Police are trying to become more like the Los Angeles Police Department.
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mrme
Nov 17, 2006
How is it you manage to confuse the University’s right to tell a guest they must leave an area with a right to demand identification? If a person refuses to give an ID they can demand that person leave, and that is all. Unless there is reason to suspect a person has committed a crime police cannot force that person to produce an ID or search for it.
That is why the police department, in attempting to justify the officer’s actions, claim that the student had been asked to leave but refused. In reality they were probably just trying to set an example to show students what will happen if they try to aggressively assert their civil rights.
Michael Hampton
Nov 17, 2006
Sure, they can demand a person leave. That’s not in dispute.
What’s disputed is whether he actually tried to leave before being attacked by the police. Both the victim and the witnesses say he was leaving; the police say he was not.
Of course, the presumption of any reasonable person in a case such as this should be that the police are lying, since they do it so often.
I’m not sure what you think I’m confused about.
Anonymous
Nov 17, 2006
This seems to be yet another case of government’s over zealous use of
force to set an example of it’s power.
I thought the purpose of a tasser or stun gun was to stop the average person from
attacking or running away for approxiamately 15 minutes. If their “stunned” how would they be able to
stand or walk?
Dubhgall
Nov 17, 2006
Tasers are weapons that should only be used as an alternative to lethal force when an officer perceives an imminent threat of serious bodily harm or death. Non-cooperation should not warrant the use of a taser.
By all appearances, Mr. T, although hostile and non-cooperative, did was not threatening the officers with violence.
In rare cases, tasers can be lethal and should be used only as a second to last resort.
Tasers should not be used as a form of cattle prod (which is actually far less painful).
J. Bruno
Nov 17, 2006
The victim actually says in the video that he was leaving at one point. But there is no possible senario that could justify what we see in the video: a man on the floor repeatedly being electrocuted because he’s unable to move from being electrocuted. The only question is why these butchers aren’t in jail.
Brock
Nov 17, 2006
1) If the state library is open, there is no justification for excluding other than students or faculty after 2200. The people of California pay dearly (much, MUCH more than the students); if it’s open and they want to be in it, so be it.
2) There is no provision in city, state, federal, or common law for producing ID on demand. There is no precedence in the courts for upholding attempts to make that a law.
3) The justification for arming policy enforcement officers with tasers is to provide a non-lethal, non-skull-bashing alternative to guns and batons. While I fully appreciate the ability of the taser to give the PEO time to restrain a suspect, its non-lethal, non-skull-bashing qualities makes it MORE likely to be used as a “retribution tool” as the others.
4) Once the suspect is restrained, use of the taser, baton, gun, fist, feet, whatever, is assault and battery. The bystanders would not only be justified in intervention, but are deserving of at least social osterization due to their inaction (conspiracy to assault and battery?).
I understand opposition to my view of this event, but I’m betting that this will become a watershed event because of the location and the audio evidence. It obviates a need for a “peoples’ court” with no government ties to act as an honest-broker.
Nov 17, 2006
UCLA student Tasered after failing to show ID at Student Education Resources and Information
Rob Davidson
Nov 17, 2006
This is clearly unjustifiable abuse of power. The victim can be heard to scream several times that he said that he would leave (after they starting Tasering him). I couldn’t tell if he actually said that earlier, but it sounded to me as though he was simply refusing to “show his papers” and would rather leave than comply. Apparently these arrogant thugs wouldn’t accept that kind of attitude from one of the sheeple. I hope he sues the hell out of each one of those bastards.
Timothy
Nov 17, 2006
I can’t help but think that this type of thing would be even more common in a libertarian society. Property owners would be calling on the police to enforce all types of arbitrary rules on their property. Individuals like this guy would be brutalized under the guise of enforcing property rights. Od course this does happen quite a bit even now…
The rules of this institution say that you must show your ID (which is issued by the institution, it’s not a national ID card or anything) If you don’t like the rules then don’t do business with this entity. If you don’t follow the rules then there are consequences (ejection form property, arrest, etc). If you don’t like the manner in which the rules are enforced (tasers) then stay away from any jurisdiction which employs the methods that you disagree with.
J.D.
Nov 18, 2006
Timothy,
That is one way to look at it, but I don’t think that on the Student ID Card it comes with a warning that “if you don’t produce this when asked, you will be tazed multiple times, while in handcuffs, and dragged down a flight of stairs.” All while in front of hundreds of your peers, who will do nothing to protect you while you are being tortured for not producing your Student ID Card. But you must have lived in Iraq while Sadaam was still in power, so this sort of thing is normal for you.
Shyfrog
Nov 18, 2006
While there is a policy in place for the Library at the UC campuses that requires ID to be shown after 12 midnight, it is still a public campus, subsidized by the state of California whose University system states in their master plan for public and state run education:
“Open to all Californians, UC’s libraries, museums, performing arts spaces, gardens and science centers are valuable public resources and community gathering places.”
My real concern is that, as a Libertarian/libertarian, I view the actions on the part of the officers as an abhorrent abuse of power and authority over someone who has committed a “victimless crime”.
I will retract if it is proved that he somehow used force or fraud against anyone in the building at the time. I do not consider failure to produce an ID or to show your papers an act of fraud.
Timothy
Nov 18, 2006
J.D,
I wasn’t clear about the meaning of the second paragraph of my original comment. The point was to illustrate the absurdity of embracing a libertarian society (which Micheal Hampton the webmaster here regularly advocates).
Libertarians often over-simplify by saying that ‘Life is not fair”, or that individuals are wholly responsible for the consequences of their actions.
Also, remember that the argument that this is a publicly financed library goes out the window in a libertarian society because there would be no ‘public’ institutions.
Everything would be privatized…
So, Michael H. and other libertarians should not complain about this incident because things would likely be the same under their libertarian system.
Michael Hampton
Nov 18, 2006
Well, when are you going to illustrate the “absurdity” of embracing a libertarian society?
So far you’ve simply shown that you have no idea what a libertarian society would look like or how it would actually work.
This sort of incident would be much less common, for one, because it’s very bad for business.
Justme
Nov 18, 2006
See this opinion on tasers from an LAPD officer:
http://www.policeone.com/less-lethal/articles/1188331/
… no questions anymore
Q
Nov 18, 2006
they’re telling him to stand up while they’re tazing him that’s just sick. these people are out of their minds.
Q
Nov 18, 2006
tazing him down a flight of stairs is the same as throwing him down the stairs, he has everything he needs for a major lawsuit. It baffles me that the requirements to become police officer in most cases requires a college degree, yet, the people they hire are such nitwits.
it is also forbidden for the police to refuse to identify themselves, big mistake, and they are in big big trouble.
on a lighter note, anyone notice how wonderfully clear the rez on that camera phone is? great quality man, better than some surveillance tapes.
Todd
Nov 18, 2006
Is there some reason why he couldn’t just do what he was asked to do? Is there something so difficult about that? Isn’t that what brought about this whole incident?
Rob Davidson
Nov 18, 2006
Nothing difficult at all, Todd, if you enjoy being a sheep. Can you say, Baa-aa-aah?
Personally, I’m getting sick and tired of being ordered around by these gangs of criminals and thugs – which is all the “government” is.
Anonymous
Nov 19, 2006
Not showing your Student ID is no crime.
He was on his way out of the building.
One of the cops grabbed him.
There was no reason to do that.
jayleto
Nov 19, 2006
I am an Asian faculty member working at an American University in the Middle East. Most of the faculty are from the USA, Canada, England, and the Middle East. There are about 5 Asian faculty members. I have been stopped a few times by the campus security (funnily enough, they are from Ethiopia, Sudan, …African countries usually) and they ask me for my ID because I look like I don’t belong in a faculty area. I have been screamed at for not having my ID with me. They would never approach any Caucasian on campus; but they do it to me all the time. (I have asked my white colleagues and friends -no one has ever questioned them about their presence anywhere on campus). Unless you have experienced what people like me go through, you will never understand the humiliation of being confronted “where you shouldn’t be” just because of your race or color. Ask all the African Americans who have been stopped by the police for going through a white neighborhood; they know exactly what it feels to be singled out. It’s not about the ID. Rosa Parks went against regulation by not moving to the back of the bus. Taser her??? It’s not about the ID. If a white student had been tasered; he would have been called “a student” at UCLA. But if you’re darker skinned with have extra pigments, you’re tagged “African American student”-”Asian American”- “Iranian American”. Listen to his cries…he sounds pure bred American down to the profanities. It’s not about the ID. To all the people who said he deserved it; what goes around comes around. I wish hard that one day, just one day in your life (no more than one) you would know what it is to suffer humiliation such as this at the hands of your fellow humans. To all you folks with no sympathy or compassion in your hearts for a fellow human being who is hurting and crying in anguish; you are probably the same people who want “world peace” and can’t understand why the world cannot get along. Look in the mirror; it’s not about the ID.
C.A. Casperson
Nov 19, 2006
Just a quick thought. Tasers are meant to be used on violent suspects when police officers or other ’security personell’ feel that they or bystanders are in danger of physical harm. What physical harm did choosing to leave a building rather than produce ID cause?
Were enough people in danger to warrant the blasting of crippling electric shocks through this student’s body three, four or even five times?
I think not.
Anonymous
Nov 20, 2006
Regardless of whether or not the student gave the officers a hard time or even “refused to cooperate” no one deserves to be degraded and treated in such a manner. The police are way too “trigger happy” and we all know that LA police have a reputation for using excessive force, racial profiling, corruption, ect. Unfortunately this incident just makes it all the more real.
Mercury
Nov 20, 2006
Especially if the “suspect” is leaving the facility of his own free will.
Also, once someone is places in handcuffs, the arresting officers are wholly responsible for the safety of the person detained. And damage he received, at their hands or not, they are to be held accountable for. Whether or not they will accept that responsibility is debatable.
The students around were likely both afraid for their own safety, but more likely unaware that they had the right to fend off the illegal assault and battery that was taking place. People are taugh from a young age to fear police as an absolute authority–as opposed a a service position–and the result of this type of thinking was the apathy witnessed in this video. The students who were protesting and asking for badge numbers were probably responding only to the aesthetics of the situation, reacting to the all around ugliness of the violence, as opposed to acting from a principled libertarian position.
I do not share your optimism that this will become an event other that typical tabloidized sound-bites. People will be offended for a time, yes, but only until the new season of Desperate Housewives comes on.
Me
Nov 20, 2006
Let’s see. This stupid student was repeatedly asked for his ID. He refuses to show it. Police called to drag him out. End of story. He should have been gagged and bound.
Vicki
Nov 20, 2006
My God! I cannot adequately express my disgust. These men were hired
to serve and protect. Not torture. Cruel and unusual punishment is
against the law. Their actions were no less than criminal. My God!
I would never, after seeing this, encourage any student to enroll
there.
There are several cogent points made here. I work at a state tax
supported institution. We never, I repeat never, ID anyone using the
library during open hours. The community pays for it, the community is
free to use it. If, however, a patron wants to check out material,
he/she does then need to get a library card.
My God! These police officers would fit in very well with the Gestapo
or the SS! These men showed no remorse or no compunction is giving
great pain to a helpless student, just because he what? disobeyed them?
My God! These men should be fired. These men should be arrested. These
men should have a record after this. These men should be banned from
working in any position of authority. These men are the criminals.
Dang! They did all this to a student who was leaving because he couldn’t
produce an ID. Isn’t it ironic that they refused to give theirs when
asked? Hey, how about a taser guys?
Mercury
Nov 20, 2006
This assumes, of course that he was under any requirement to show ID upon demand. Is every demand made by the police to be followed without question?
Regardless, they used force in excess of what was clearly necessary, and in excess even of standard police procedure. Are you assuming that the event of an arrest strips the arrestee of all rights as a human being?
UCLA JOE
Nov 21, 2006
“This assumes, of course that he was under any requirement to show ID upon demand. Is every demand made by the police to be followed without question?”
When you enter upon the campus of a UC campus you agree to abide by all the rules and regulations of that facility. One of those rules limits the hours in which non-students may make use of specific facilities (such as libraries.)
No need to assume anything regarding the requirement to show ID.
You may note the failure to mention that Tabat attempted to incite violence against the CSOs that removed him from the library. “[H]e [Tabat] urged others to join his resistance.”
Tabat also resited exiting the library before the taser was put to use by falling “limp to the floor because he did not want to participate in a case of racial profiling, his attorney said.” This is Tabat’s own attorney (yes, he is suing) stating that Tabat was being a blockhead. Granted that most likely isn’t grounds for a good zap, but that is only the part Tabat and his lawyer admit to.
UCLA JOE
Nov 21, 2006
“This assumes, of course that he was under any requirement to show ID upon demand. Is every demand made by the police to be followed without question?â€
When you enter upon the campus of a UC campus you agree to abide by all the rules and regulations of that facility. One of those rules limits the hours in which non-students may make use of specific facilities (such as libraries.)
No need to assume anything regarding the requirement to show ID.
You may note the failure to mention that Tabat attempted to incite violence against the CSOs that removed him from the library. “[H]e [Tabat] urged others to join his resistance.â€
Tabat also resited exiting the library before the taser was put to use by falling “limp to the floor because he did not want to participate in a case of racial profiling, his attorney said.†This is Tabat’s own attorney (yes, he is suing) stating that Tabat was being a blockhead. Granted that most likely isn’t grounds for a good zap, but that is only the part Tabat and his lawyer admit to.
Potential Threat
Nov 21, 2006
When I was younger (and I’m not really that old), if the police decided it was time for you to get out of the building and you weren’t going under your own power, they’d pick you up and carry you out the door. Are the UCLA campus police such pussies that they can’t do that with someone of average weight who’s giving them zero resistance? Or were they just looking for an excuse to play with their toys? Either way, it would explain why they’re not employed by a real department.
Tasers are supposed to be considered as the last alternative before lethal force. Frankly, I think police departments should institute the same review process for unholstering tasers that they do for drawing firearms.
Jason
Nov 23, 2006
I have two Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice degrees and have worked in public and private law enforcement all my life. The usage of the tasers by the officers was entirely beyond the limit in the use of force continuum. The use of force continuum allows peace officers to use a 0 + 1 level of force when dealing with subjects. This means that if a subject is being passively resistant, the officers are allowed to use active physical control techniques, etc. If a subject is using pepper spray, then officers would be allowed to use impact weapons, and so on.
In most cases, a taser is classified as either an impact weapon, one level below an impact weapon, or one level above an impact weapon (often “lethal force” or “less lethal force” depending on the department). Assuming the classification being even the lowest likely level of force, the subject never took any action that would require that level of force. The subject was clearly being passively resistant, not actively resistant as in fighting. And as such, officers would be entitled to use controlling techniques, such as arm bars, pressure points, and physically escorting the gentleman, i.e. carrying, hobbling, etc. I find this use of force, and the subsequent threats to use the same level of force on the bystanders, one of the most grotesque abuse of force and authority I have ever witnessed in my line of work.
Mercury
Nov 24, 2006
“When you enter upon the campus of a UC campus you agree to abide by all the rules and regulations of that facility. One of those rules limits the hours in which non-students may make use of specific facilities (such as libraries.)
No need to assume anything regarding the requirement to show ID.”
That’s correct, once entering a private institution, you essentially wave certain 4th amanedment rights. However, the legal and philosophical belief is that a person can choose to leave the grounds if he does not wish to comply. If he was, as some witnesses have stated and will no doubt testify, in the process of leaving of his own volition, then there was no ground to continue to demand that he show ID.
You may note the failure to mention that Tabat attempted to incite violence against the CSOs that removed him from the library. ‘[H]e [Tabat] urged others to join his resistance.’”
This is specious at best. Lying limp on the ground is not ‘violence’ in any sense of the word, and if this was the extent of his resistance, then even if he did ask others to join in his activities, he was not ‘inciting violence.’
Considering available information, the only use of ‘violence,’ that is, the use of force to trample on another individual’s rights, was by the officers—and as such the use of force by Tabat or those around him to stop the violence would have been justified.
“Tabat also resited exiting the library before the taser was put to use by falling ‘limp to the floor because he did not want to participate in a case of racial profiling, his attorney said.’ This is Tabat’s own attorney (yes, he is suing) stating that Tabat was being a blockhead. Granted that most likely isn’t grounds for a good zap, but that is only the part Tabat and his lawyer admit to.”
‘Going limp’ is only passive resistance at best. If he was not forcebly resisting removal, then they could have carried him out. They did not need to taser him, repeatedly, simply to make him stand and walk out—something which he was previously doing of his own accord. That said, Jason has already described the 0+1 notion regarding what is considered the acceptable use of force by an officer.
That said, when all is said and done and in the possibility that there are no charges or suits files against the officers, then I would hope they are are at least dismissed from their jobs on the grounds of complete stupidity. Tasering someone over and over to make them stand and walk out is about as smart as beating a child with a belt to make them stop crying.
Kevin Fields
Dec 01, 2006
I’ll agree with the majority opinion posted sofar — the student is a dumbass for not wanting to comply with security. However, he very clearly stated that he was willing to leave, and from the video footage that I saw, the police were actually interfering in his right to leave. The use of the tazer was uncalled for.
james hates america
Jan 30, 2007
Tasers at campus, sounds like a really cheap horror flick,
made with a couple cameras, or cellphone cameras,
hey it was made with cheap cameras, and it happened.
Oh well, what do you expect, the student had a freewill,
and it was dangerous for him to express free thoughts,
others might get infected with the ability to think
for themselves.
Danger Will Robinson, DANGER, DANGER
I was born in this country, I have lived in other countries
and I can only pray that the civil war that everyone
in the government is afraid will happen does happen.
Then we get to give each of those who could never get a real job, that work in uniform the same LOVE and wonderful feelings
that they show to all of us.
If you write that the taser bit was good, then you
deserve it shoved in your brain that you obviously
sit on alot, and if you think is was wrong,
make sure that when the civil war happens,
and realize its only a matter of time,
that you best think twice on which side your going to be on.
In France, the revolution clean up really worked.
What is wrong with America, as we know it today, is that
most of the people here complain about everything, but
few are really willing to do something about it.
I always wondered why US ARMY manuals were copies of
WAFFEN SS manuals, [ bet you did not know that ]
and why the police uniforms around the country are BLACK,
hmmmmmm, maybe I am paranoid, but seriously,
if we keep up this 911 crapola mindset, and let these
jerks who could never get a real job run around with guns,
then we deserve the abuse of power they play on us.
Frankly I hate to admit that I too, want safe access
to my car at night, safe access to the grocery store
and the beer store, but seriously folks, some body
needs to start shooting a few of these jerks to make
them realize that they were once us.
I think that phrase, a dead cop is a good cop, is rather
a bit overboard, but a few of them do need to be
given that tar and feather bit because afterall,
arne’t they FREEDOM AND JUSTICE FOR ALL BRAIN-WASHING speaking that cry out to help all of us too?
I mean, come-on, we are winning in MUD HUT IRAQ, right,
we are sending those new 20 thousand guys, each with
a wood coffin to expand the peaceful transistion
into another example of AMERICAN STYLE LIBERTY FOR ALL
SOCIETY.
Did you take that Johnny? When we get home I am going
to beat you with my belt. No, you can not have any candy.
Did you hit your sister Billy? What, you told
that lady I was home, I told you to lie for me Tommy.
Do you see the point in all this is moot.
We either deal with the crap and lies we are fed,
or we write comments on this blog to rant and feel better.
Personally, I think some one needs to hack some computers,
and send the missiles towards Washington and get rid
of all of them and start over.
Did I write missles, I meat missives, you know, political
comments, oh, I just read that if you comment about our
continuous win situation in Iraq that you could
end up with Military officials visiting you.
Gosh, do you think they might bring some bagels with lox?
Face it people, the land of Liberty for all is DEAD.
DOA
GONERS,
FINISHED,
and if you think it’s not, go see the new rules
for passports and the rules for overseas travel.
Its going to get a lot worse before the civil war
cleans everything up.
Deal with it, like I do, and my Friends who
play army in the woods all over the place………
Its going to be like the 4th of July in Springtime,
and its going to be something we have needed for a long time.
Oooops, did I forget to write firecrackers?
Even I have to be careful before I finally leave this
fucked up country because we were all too lazy to do
something before the new Hitler got in control.
I am James Seidel
citizen of the planet earth.
Oh, as for dumbass comments, made by people who
probably are dumbasses, I think that you will
face your own awareness issues, once you have
had the crap beat out of you for doing what you thought
was okay.
Nobody should hit anyone really, and any one who acts like a lowlife, thinks that they
know everything, hopefully will mature enough to understand
all these big words so that they can continue
to eat and waste 90 percent of the earths environment and resources, and still act like a jerk making comments
about how some guy got hurt.
Not complying with security is going to be the downfall
for all of us, because eventually your going to be
thinking even less like the sheep on the farm
and then you will deserve what ever those real dumbasses
give you as of course doing their job to make
sure you have no free thoughts and that you act like
a robot……. robot, no free thinking…..
danger will robinson,,, danger, danger……
get a life loser, that is all I have to write this time
to all those nazi wannabees and firetrucked- up republican
idiots who think so little on their own.
Oh you are republican too arn’t you?
For everyone who reads this, I seriously hope that your
not offended by my truthful comments, and we are wining
in Iraq, because our GLORIOUS LEADER SAYS SO.
SEIG HEIL, BUSH
SEIL HEIL
Oooops there I go again, I meant HAIL CEASAR