hey it was made with cheap cameras, and it happened.

Oh well, what do you expect, the student had a freewill,
and it was dangerous for him to express free thoughts,
others might get infected with the ability to think
for themselves.

Danger Will Robinson, DANGER, DANGER

I was born in this country, I have lived in other countries
and I can only pray that the civil war that everyone
in the government is afraid will happen does happen.

Then we get to give each of those who could never get a real job, that work in uniform the same LOVE and wonderful feelings
that they show to all of us.

If you write that the taser bit was good, then you
deserve it shoved in your brain that you obviously
sit on alot, and if you think is was wrong,
make sure that when the civil war happens,
and realize its only a matter of time,
that you best think twice on which side your going to be on.

In France, the revolution clean up really worked.

What is wrong with America, as we know it today, is that
most of the people here complain about everything, but
few are really willing to do something about it.

I always wondered why US ARMY manuals were copies of
WAFFEN SS manuals, [ bet you did not know that ]
and why the police uniforms around the country are BLACK,
hmmmmmm, maybe I am paranoid, but seriously,
if we keep up this 911 crapola mindset, and let these
jerks who could never get a real job run around with guns,
then we deserve the abuse of power they play on us.

Frankly I hate to admit that I too, want safe access
to my car at night, safe access to the grocery store
and the beer store, but seriously folks, some body
needs to start shooting a few of these jerks to make
them realize that they were once us.

I think that phrase, a dead cop is a good cop, is rather
a bit overboard, but a few of them do need to be
given that tar and feather bit because afterall,
arne’t they FREEDOM AND JUSTICE FOR ALL BRAIN-WASHING speaking that cry out to help all of us too?

I mean, come-on, we are winning in MUD HUT IRAQ, right,
we are sending those new 20 thousand guys, each with
a wood coffin to expand the peaceful transistion
into another example of AMERICAN STYLE LIBERTY FOR ALL
SOCIETY.

Did you take that Johnny? When we get home I am going
to beat you with my belt. No, you can not have any candy.
Did you hit your sister Billy? What, you told
that lady I was home, I told you to lie for me Tommy.

Do you see the point in all this is moot.
We either deal with the crap and lies we are fed,
or we write comments on this blog to rant and feel better.

Personally, I think some one needs to hack some computers,
and send the missiles towards Washington and get rid
of all of them and start over.

Did I write missles, I meat missives, you know, political
comments, oh, I just read that if you comment about our
continuous win situation in Iraq that you could
end up with Military officials visiting you.

Gosh, do you think they might bring some bagels with lox?

Face it people, the land of Liberty for all is DEAD.

DOA

GONERS,

FINISHED,

and if you think it’s not, go see the new rules
for passports and the rules for overseas travel.

Its going to get a lot worse before the civil war
cleans everything up.

Deal with it, like I do, and my Friends who
play army in the woods all over the place………

Its going to be like the 4th of July in Springtime,
and its going to be something we have needed for a long time.

Oooops, did I forget to write firecrackers?

Even I have to be careful before I finally leave this
fucked up country because we were all too lazy to do
something before the new Hitler got in control.

I am James Seidel
citizen of the planet earth.

Oh, as for dumbass comments, made by people who
probably are dumbasses, I think that you will
face your own awareness issues, once you have
had the crap beat out of you for doing what you thought
was okay.

Nobody should hit anyone really, and any one who acts like a lowlife, thinks that they
know everything, hopefully will mature enough to understand
all these big words so that they can continue
to eat and waste 90 percent of the earths environment and resources, and still act like a jerk making comments
about how some guy got hurt.

Not complying with security is going to be the downfall
for all of us, because eventually your going to be
thinking even less like the sheep on the farm
and then you will deserve what ever those real dumbasses
give you as of course doing their job to make
sure you have no free thoughts and that you act like
a robot……. robot, no free thinking…..

danger will robinson,,, danger, danger……

get a life loser, that is all I have to write this time
to all those nazi wannabees and firetrucked- up republican
idiots who think so little on their own.

Oh you are republican too arn’t you?

For everyone who reads this, I seriously hope that your
not offended by my truthful comments, and we are wining
in Iraq, because our GLORIOUS LEADER SAYS SO.

SEIG HEIL, BUSH

SEIL HEIL

Oooops there I go again, I meant HAIL CEASAR

No need to assume anything regarding the requirement to show ID.”

That’s correct, once entering a private institution, you essentially wave certain 4th amanedment rights. However, the legal and philosophical belief is that a person can choose to leave the grounds if he does not wish to comply. If he was, as some witnesses have stated and will no doubt testify, in the process of leaving of his own volition, then there was no ground to continue to demand that he show ID.

You may note the failure to mention that Tabat attempted to incite violence against the CSOs that removed him from the library. ‘[H]e [Tabat] urged others to join his resistance.’”

This is specious at best. Lying limp on the ground is not ‘violence’ in any sense of the word, and if this was the extent of his resistance, then even if he did ask others to join in his activities, he was not ‘inciting violence.’

Considering available information, the only use of ‘violence,’ that is, the use of force to trample on another individual’s rights, was by the officers—and as such the use of force by Tabat or those around him to stop the violence would have been justified.

“Tabat also resited exiting the library before the taser was put to use by falling ‘limp to the floor because he did not want to participate in a case of racial profiling, his attorney said.’ This is Tabat’s own attorney (yes, he is suing) stating that Tabat was being a blockhead. Granted that most likely isn’t grounds for a good zap, but that is only the part Tabat and his lawyer admit to.”

‘Going limp’ is only passive resistance at best. If he was not forcebly resisting removal, then they could have carried him out. They did not need to taser him, repeatedly, simply to make him stand and walk out—something which he was previously doing of his own accord. That said, Jason has already described the 0+1 notion regarding what is considered the acceptable use of force by an officer.

That said, when all is said and done and in the possibility that there are no charges or suits files against the officers, then I would hope they are are at least dismissed from their jobs on the grounds of complete stupidity. Tasering someone over and over to make them stand and walk out is about as smart as beating a child with a belt to make them stop crying.

In most cases, a taser is classified as either an impact weapon, one level below an impact weapon, or one level above an impact weapon (often “lethal force” or “less lethal force” depending on the department). Assuming the classification being even the lowest likely level of force, the subject never took any action that would require that level of force. The subject was clearly being passively resistant, not actively resistant as in fighting. And as such, officers would be entitled to use controlling techniques, such as arm bars, pressure points, and physically escorting the gentleman, i.e. carrying, hobbling, etc. I find this use of force, and the subsequent threats to use the same level of force on the bystanders, one of the most grotesque abuse of force and authority I have ever witnessed in my line of work.

Tasers are supposed to be considered as the last alternative before lethal force. Frankly, I think police departments should institute the same review process for unholstering tasers that they do for drawing firearms.

When you enter upon the campus of a UC campus you agree to abide by all the rules and regulations of that facility. One of those rules limits the hours in which non-students may make use of specific facilities (such as libraries.)

No need to assume anything regarding the requirement to show ID.

You may note the failure to mention that Tabat attempted to incite violence against the CSOs that removed him from the library. “[H]e [Tabat] urged others to join his resistance.”

Tabat also resited exiting the library before the taser was put to use by falling “limp to the floor because he did not want to participate in a case of racial profiling, his attorney said.” This is Tabat’s own attorney (yes, he is suing) stating that Tabat was being a blockhead. Granted that most likely isn’t grounds for a good zap, but that is only the part Tabat and his lawyer admit to.

When you enter upon the campus of a UC campus you agree to abide by all the rules and regulations of that facility. One of those rules limits the hours in which non-students may make use of specific facilities (such as libraries.)

No need to assume anything regarding the requirement to show ID.

You may note the failure to mention that Tabat attempted to incite violence against the CSOs that removed him from the library. “[H]e [Tabat] urged others to join his resistance.”

Tabat also resited exiting the library before the taser was put to use by falling “limp to the floor because he did not want to participate in a case of racial profiling, his attorney said.” This is Tabat’s own attorney (yes, he is suing) stating that Tabat was being a blockhead. Granted that most likely isn’t grounds for a good zap, but that is only the part Tabat and his lawyer admit to.

Let’s see. This stupid student was repeatedly asked for his ID. He refuses to show it. Police called to drag him out. End of story. He should have been gagged and bound.

This assumes, of course that he was under any requirement to show ID upon demand. Is every demand made by the police to be followed without question?

Regardless, they used force in excess of what was clearly necessary, and in excess even of standard police procedure. Are you assuming that the event of an arrest strips the arrestee of all rights as a human being?

There are several cogent points made here. I work at a state tax
supported institution. We never, I repeat never, ID anyone using the
library during open hours. The community pays for it, the community is
free to use it. If, however, a patron wants to check out material,
he/she does then need to get a library card.

My God! These police officers would fit in very well with the Gestapo
or the SS! These men showed no remorse or no compunction is giving
great pain to a helpless student, just because he what? disobeyed them?
My God! These men should be fired. These men should be arrested. These
men should have a record after this. These men should be banned from
working in any position of authority. These men are the criminals.

Dang! They did all this to a student who was leaving because he couldn’t
produce an ID. Isn’t it ironic that they refused to give theirs when
asked? Hey, how about a taser guys?