Comments on: Chertoff: We will "vigorously" enforce bad laws http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/ Protect yourself from government gaffes, bureaucratic blunders and incumbent incompetence Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:25:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Immigration hysteria being used as an excuse for rise of US police state « paulie cannoli http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/#comment-12591 Immigration hysteria being used as an excuse for rise of US police state « paulie cannoli Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:38:13 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/#comment-12591 [...] course, we all know that illegal immigrants are coming here to work. Some people think that’s wrong. They claim that people should come here legally, not realizing [...] [...] course, we all know that illegal immigrants are coming here to work. Some people think that’s wrong. They claim that people should come here legally, not realizing [...]

]]> By: Social Security card to be national ID - Homeland Stupidity http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/#comment-12590 Social Security card to be national ID - Homeland Stupidity Thu, 17 May 2007 01:37:22 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/#comment-12590 [...] Of course, we all know that illegal immigrants are coming here to work. Some people think that’s wrong. They claim that people should come here legally, not realizing that the legal paths for people to come here have been constricted or closed entirely, thus causing the “problem.” [...] [...] Of course, we all know that illegal immigrants are coming here to work. Some people think that’s wrong. They claim that people should come here legally, not realizing that the legal paths for people to come here have been constricted or closed entirely, thus causing the “problem.” [...]

]]> By: DHS: You’ll take a national ID and you’ll like it - Homeland Stupidity http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/#comment-12589 DHS: You’ll take a national ID and you’ll like it - Homeland Stupidity Wed, 09 May 2007 06:36:04 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/#comment-12589 [...] Of course, this isn’t really about terrorism at all, says the Wall Street Journal’s editors. It “was always more about harassing Mexican illegals than stopping Islamic terrorists.” That figures. “Illegal immigrants” come here to work, and DHS is determined to put them on the welfare rolls instead. [...] [...] Of course, this isn’t really about terrorism at all, says the Wall Street Journal’s editors. It “was always more about harassing Mexican illegals than stopping Islamic terrorists.” That figures. “Illegal immigrants” come here to work, and DHS is determined to put them on the welfare rolls instead. [...]

]]> By: Mass deportations a drop in the bucket - Homeland Stupidity http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/#comment-12588 Mass deportations a drop in the bucket - Homeland Stupidity Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:45:51 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/#comment-12588 [...] ICE conducted a widely publicized series of raids last month and rounded up over 1,200 illegal immigrants at five locations of the Swift meat processing company. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff says more workplace raids are coming. [...] [...] ICE conducted a widely publicized series of raids last month and rounded up over 1,200 illegal immigrants at five locations of the Swift meat processing company. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff says more workplace raids are coming. [...]

]]> By: Chertoff: Real ID not “invasion of privacy” - Homeland Stupidity http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/#comment-12587 Chertoff: Real ID not “invasion of privacy” - Homeland Stupidity Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:45:40 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/#comment-12587 [...] And it won’t stop illegal immigration. I suspect Chertoff knows this. He’s previously admitted that he knows why people come here. “We all know that the primary economic engine that draws in illegal migration is work,” he said. But one can make up a phony name and number on the spot and work. Or a person can work under the table. The REAL ID won’t stop any of this. [...] [...] And it won’t stop illegal immigration. I suspect Chertoff knows this. He’s previously admitted that he knows why people come here. “We all know that the primary economic engine that draws in illegal migration is work,” he said. But one can make up a phony name and number on the spot and work. Or a person can work under the table. The REAL ID won’t stop any of this. [...]

]]> By: Ray http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/#comment-12586 Ray Sat, 16 Dec 2006 00:51:19 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/#comment-12586 One does have to wonder if they actually got that $13. My personal experience (admittedly over a decade old) indicates that probably a bunch of this had to be paid back to the supervisors and the company in various forms if you don't want to end up fired. Also how long could you do the job, and what could you do afterwards. I know that this is another issue in hiring illegals. They don't complain about safety issues. My experience comes from construction, and most of the times we had to help the fire department remove a body from the site the body was "illegal". Also most of these positions while they actually paid over minimum wage (but about two thirds what they officially paid) also included a lot of off the clock time. The bottom line is that $13 an hour is not really that much if in a year or two you will be totally disabled. One does have to wonder if they actually got that $13. My personal experience (admittedly over a decade old) indicates that probably a bunch of this had to be paid back to the supervisors and the company in various forms if you don’t want to end up fired.

Also how long could you do the job, and what could you do afterwards. I know that this is another issue in hiring illegals. They don’t complain about safety issues. My experience comes from construction, and most of the times we had to help the fire department remove a body from the site the body was “illegal”. Also most of these positions while they actually paid over minimum wage (but about two thirds what they officially paid) also included a lot of off the clock time.

The bottom line is that $13 an hour is not really that much if in a year or two you will be totally disabled.

]]> By: Potential Threat http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/#comment-12585 Potential Threat Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:14:33 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/#comment-12585 You're right. $27K a year isn't anything to sneeze at, especially if the alternative is $0 a year. I was about to type up a whole diatribe on the situation, but while looking for a couple of facts in news reports, I found <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/14/AR2006121401362.html" rel="nofollow">this commentary</a>, which pretty much sums it up. We really need a program like H-1B for unskilled workers. If what's in that article is correct, our immigration system is b0rked. Maybe the next Congress will do a better job than the last several at fixing it up. --Po You’re right. $27K a year isn’t anything to sneeze at, especially if the alternative is $0 a year.

I was about to type up a whole diatribe on the situation, but while looking for a couple of facts in news reports, I found this commentary, which pretty much sums it up. We really need a program like H-1B for unskilled workers. If what’s in that article is correct, our immigration system is b0rked.

Maybe the next Congress will do a better job than the last several at fixing it up.

–Po

]]> By: Michael Hampton http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/#comment-12584 Michael Hampton Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:41:27 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/#comment-12584 $13 an hour is nothing to sneeze at. That's what Swift started people off at. Then again, it's one messy, smelly job, and you aren't going to find a lot of Americans willing to enter a slaughterhouse at that price, or perhaps any price. $13 an hour is nothing to sneeze at. That’s what Swift started people off at.

Then again, it’s one messy, smelly job, and you aren’t going to find a lot of Americans willing to enter a slaughterhouse at that price, or perhaps any price.

]]> By: Ray http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/#comment-12583 Ray Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:28:02 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/#comment-12583 I don't know what the negative here is. The mantra is that these people are doing jobs that you can't get Americans to do. When the problem is that they can't get Americans to do them at the wages they pay. There is a big difference. I don’t know what the negative here is. The mantra is that these people are doing jobs that you can’t get Americans to do. When the problem is that they can’t get Americans to do them at the wages they pay. There is a big difference.

]]> By: Q http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/#comment-12582 Q Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:24:42 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/12/14/chertoff-we-will-vigorously-enforce-bad-laws/#comment-12582 EDIT:: "Do the right thing" EDIT:: “Do the right thing”

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