Further, the Early Church Fathers can illuminate your understanding of the 2,000 year old teaching of the Eucharist here: http://www.theworkofgod.org/Devotns/Euchrist/Topics/Fathers.htm

Confess your sins one to another… That is, to the priests of the church, whom (ver.14) he had ordered to be called for, and brought in to the sick; moreover, to confess to persons who had no power to forgive sins, would be useless. Hence the precept here means, that we must confess to men whom God hath appointed, and who, by their ordination and jurisdiction, have received the power of remitting sins in his name.

Is that where you say the Bible says to confess your sins to God? Or shall I confess my sins to you and expect absolution?

No, the Bible clearly gives priests (disciples) that power when Christ gave the keys to heaven to Peter and said, “Whatsoever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven and whatsoever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” That’s our Blessed Lord speaking and our Bible speaking, in direct contradiction to your notion that the Bible teaches us to confess to God. Which, of course, we Catholics do, since Christ is also in the confessional with us acting through His priest to whom He gave the power to absolve us from our sins.

Nifty, indeed! Too bad you guys are stuck with shrinks. Ever try to get a shrink to give you absolution? Well, when I get it from a priest, I can literally feel the immense weight of sin lifted off of my shoulders. It gives full credence to Christ’s promise to save us from our slaverly to sin. You should give it a try sometime. Emancipation from slavery to sin is a remarkable, phenominal experience. The shackles fall and Christ is there, exactly as He is in the Blessed Sacrament of every Catholic Church throughout the entire world. No PROTEST-ant church can make any claim close to that!

18:1. At that hour the disciples came to Jesus, saying: Who, thinkest thou, is the greater in the kingdom of heaven?

18:2. And Jesus, calling unto him a little child, set him in the midst of them.

18:3. And said: amen I say to you, unless you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Now, I have, by the grace of God and via the diligent prayer of the Holy Rosary, been given the unimaginable lesson of hearing a voice from hell itself in my left ear. The Blessed Mother gives 15 promises to those devoted to the Rosary, one of them is “signal graces.” The wholesale turnaround of my fortunes was miraculous in the extreme and all our old friends back in NY to this day say amazingly supernatural things were commonplace with us. But first and foremost was that voice from hell, saying “I WILL KILL YOU ALL!” in the most hideous, unearthly, exponentially furiously murderous, hissing sound like nothing even capable of being heard by mortal ears.

So, being the beneficiary of this unimaginable terror and the grace it gave me to turn from my sins, I found no other route to salvation than to submit to Holy Mother Church.

It is the evidentiary practice of PROTEST-ants to muse and study and ponder and intellectually gratify themselves to justify their own positions on theology. I no longer have this luxury. It is for me to take up my cross daily, deny myself to the best of my ability and follow Christ in His devotion to His family, the Church, and devote myself to my family and fail daily in attempting to divert those who despise the Church Christ created from the deceptions of the devil.

You state that I have a problem with Vatican II. For good reason. One of the most devious and diabolical attacks on the Church in Its history has been that borne by Communist agents since the early 20th century. I read a book entitled “AA-1025″ which told the story of a communist agent and his plots to enter the Church and destroy it from within. Vatican II started practices which are the fruits of Communist treachery and western gullability. You can read about it here: http://www.tldm.org/news2/infiltrators.htm

but I fear that the wholesale secularism of the PROTEST-ant revolution (which, again, never seems to resolve now, does it?) has bitten its constituents hard on their souls wherein theology has become a devious plaything rather than a securing Rule.

In short, you and all PROTEST-ants are so addicted to ego gratification that no amount of Truth will divert you from the need to be self-justified. Therein lies the difficulty of our conversation.

So, in short, you are correct that Vatican II leaves me deeply suspicious, in that so may changes in the Mass were established, so many prayers extracted and a whole host of other alterations devised as to be lethal to any hope of the True Faith being left on earth, assisted by all the left-leaning media . . . to the point that modern man can only echo Pontius Pilate in stating, “Truth? What is that?” and going his or her merry way down the broad path to Hell.

I rely a great deal more on the Council of Trent’s catechism, thank you very much. It preceded the well established and well-documented infiltration of communists into the Vatican hierarchy and the destruction of the priesthood (leaving no access to Confession nor the Eucharist, the only way to gain eternal life exactly as our Blessed Lord states and you ignore) and so it is with little wonder that I assume our Blessed Lord’s words, “But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?” are hysteria-inciting to me, the beneficiary of the Truth of Hell (and, conversely Heaven since you can’t have one without the other) and more Scriptural evidence of the chaos we have today and which our Blessed Lord clearly states we should expect in the end times.

The Catholic Church, due to the lack of priests and the massive closing of Churches (63 last month in Boston alone), is now the breeding ground, in my opinion, for massive summary judgments of damnation as hoardes of Catholics in mortal sin and non-Catholics who never have even stepped into a confession nonetheless get in line and recieve our Blessed Lord’s Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity in a state of mortal sin, bringing down upon them exactly what St. Paul stated is the case for such, viz.:

11:23. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread,

11:24. And giving thanks, broke and said: Take ye and eat: This is my body, which shall be delivered for you. This do for the commemoration of me.

11:25. In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood. This do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me.

11:26. For as often as you shall eat this bread and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come.

11:27. Therefore, whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.

Or drink… Here erroneous translators corrupted the text, by putting and drink (contrary to the original) instead of or drink.

Guilty of the body, etc., not discerning the body, etc… This demonstrates the real presence of the body and blood of Christ, even to the unworthy communicant; who otherwise could not be guilty of the body and blood of Christ, or justly condemned for not discerning the Lord’s body.

11:28. But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread and drink of the chalice.

Drink of the chalice… This is not said by way of command, but by way of allowance, viz., where and when it is agreeable to the practice and discipline of the church.

11:29. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.

11:30. Therefore are there many infirm and weak among you: and many sleep.

11:31. But if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

11:32. But whilst we are judged, we are chastised by the Lord, that we be not condemned with this world.

Do you follow this? I fear not, since as 1 Peter 5:8-9 clearly state, the devil roams about seeking whom he can devour. And he is having a field day in this modern, technological, consumerism, class warfare, evenly divided liberal-conservative political climate, wholesale atheistic, homosexual justifying, abortion rationalizing, pornographic, insatiably hyper sexualized society in which we live, all the while Islam is successfully infiltrating Europe and the U.S. on a MASSIVE scale. This, of course, is just punishing by our Lord, since, most obviously, the path of liberalism/PROTEST-antism is invariably and inevitably wholesale atheism. For with such vastly contradictory and diametrically opposed theologies of Presbyterianism, Lutheranism, Methodism, Mormonism, Congregationalism, 7th Day Adventism, and all the other inevitably reducable creeds which go around posing as “theology,” indeed is Our Blessed Lord’s prophecy fulfilled:

But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?

He, being God, certainly would have grounds for knowing what to expect, eh? Best pray the Rosary. After all, the Blessed Virgin *did* say all generations will call me blessed, didn’t she? Where else do you find that but in the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

And throughout the history of the Catholic Church one finds that tenet to be the Rule, save for the advent of the Vatican II council. Should that, in combination with the communist infiltration well documented as well as the infiltration of homosexual predators into the ever shrinking ranks of the priesthood, not be sufficient grounds to doubt the validity of Vatican II? I think not, but there again remains much which is yet in harmony with the previous Church teachings.

But, again, the Church has had such problems in the past with heretical infiltrations and survived. Why should I ultimately worry?

I have been working at keeping things intellectually respectable. I have read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. I also have read a bit about the Orhodox Church. Which interestingly enough orthodox means right thinking. I find this interesting. But that is another tangent in this discussion. The Catechism also talks about the Eastern Church that are recognized as Christians. Again, based on your argument so far I find this difficult to understand how your view stands against the Catechism and Vatican 2. This is really odd.

Further to speak about transubstatiation, you have not done anything other than point me to people who have spoken about it, and have not explained in detail anything except pointing to the Roman Catholic Church web sites, which, intellectually speaking, is a circular argument.

Obviously you don’t seem to agree with Vatican 2 with your statements about christians outside of the Roman Catholic church.

Who do I confess to? I confess to God as was asked to me throughout the Bible. If I have something to confess that requires confession to another I do so.

“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” 1John 1.9.

You ask about Sola Scriptura.
Why does the Roman Catholic Church add so many traditions of man? And then why did they ever allow their own followers to have the Bible in their own languages? Or perhaps that was a mistake, according to your own argument, but then you wouldn’t be able to quote from it unless it was from the Latin.

And as you seem to imply that Peter only preached in Rome and founded the Church there, and that Paul was not there before him and that Peter was only in Israel with Jesus then left for Rome and never did any other work. I find this very strange.

It appears that I am not going to get any intellectual resepct here and so this is aply named homeland stupidity.

To continue this is pointless. You follow blindly, making apparant accusations to things that you assume about me. I had stated earlier that I respect the Roman Catholic Church. All that I was saying in pointing out the problems of different Church officials of the Roman Catholic Church was that they were the ones who have written the documents since the compilation of the original Vulgate (meaning the common tongue) by Jerome, who made mention that the best thing to do would to go back and translate from the Jewish canon, but the tradition of the Roman Catholic Church had already been taken up and refused, essentially said they already had the correct scriptures and were not going to declare they were ever wrong. But we see that 1700 years later, it is still saying the same thing. I find that they had built on the traditions of Hippo and not Rome for the final canon. Perhaps that means the Bishop and church in Rome had not advanced in their claims or they began to lay the foundation to absorb traditions as their own and therefore anyone who did not think exactly like them were absolute and complete heretics, also anyone who thought like them in all but that the Roman Bishop was above all other bishops and the Roman church was above all other churches because of an easily warped idea by twisting a few words (explained earlier, but never refuted) could then be called heretics.

It has been an interesting discussion, but it really is not going anywhere. So this will be my last post. If you think this is a victory, that is up to you. But I will not continue and be disrespected intellectually. It is a discourtesy to me and an embarassment to you (although you may not see it that way).

I can only hope that we have both learned something here.

May God grant you patience and wisdom when speaking, may you have strength to be humble and the wisdom to do what is right in the eyes of God. May God grant you peace in your spirit, mind and body. May God reveal Himself to you through His Word by the power of His Spirit. May God’s grace and mercy overflow onto you and in your life. In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Your first paragraph deals with the persistent sentiments you have towards Sola Scriptura. I’ve dealt with that extensively in the post just previous to yours, so apparently your bias toward it is invulnerable to intellectual appeal. I’ll let God hold you responsible for that at Judgment. However, if you go to http://www.stjosephradio.org/liveradio.html and there is a small link at the top which reads, ”
Listen to archived “St. Joseph Radio Presents” programs on EWTN” If you go there, and scroll down to No. 25, you can read the BRILLIANT analysis of the fallacy of “sola scripture” as clearly analyzed by one of the greatest gifts of God to the Catholic Church, Dr. Scott Hahn, a former Presbyterian minister turned Catholic apologist. Do NOT miss this man’s explanation! You will do yourself a grave disfavor if you ignore it.

In your second paragraph, you pose several questions concerning the different topics of “indulgences” and “relics.” Let’s deal with relics, first. You may recall that Christ healed the woman with the hemorrhage simply because she touched his garment. You may also recall in Acts that:

5:15. Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that, when Peter came, his shadow at the least might overshadow any of them and they might be delivered from their infirmities.

5:16. And there came also together to Jerusalem a multitude out of the neighbouring cities, bringing sick persons and such as were troubled with unclean spirits: who were all healed.

So clearly the very shadow of Peter was sufficient for healing. Not to rest with this sole example of intangible matter being capable of delivering grace to those with Faith, allow me to point you toward the following like which deals with relics in far more detail than I have time to muster right now: http://www.catholic.com/library/Relics.asp

For indulgences, try this: http://www.catholic.com/library/Myths_About_Indulgences.asp

In your third, fourth and fifth paragraphs you present economic dangers and temptations. You are quite very correct that we are all sinners. Please allow me to point out that that concept is the very foundation of why PROTEST-ants should never expect perfection from the Church, FOR ALL HAVE SINNED. Peter himself was called the devil by Christ, yet Peter is featured more prominently in Acts and the rest of the Bible than any other apostle. Clearly, there is redemption and salvation available to the penitent sinner. Even Peter. Even you. Even me. Do penance, says the Baptist and says our Blessed Lord at the beginning of their mutual ministries. It is the most important concept of gaining supernatural power, exemplified by Christ’s own clarion statement:

17:16. Then Jesus answered and said: O unbelieving and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I suffer you? Bring him hither to me.

17:17. And Jesus rebuked him, and the devil went out of him, and the child was cured from that hour.

17:18. Then came the disciples to Jesus secretly, and said: Why could not we cast him out?

17:19. Jesus said to them: Because of your unbelief. For, amen I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you shall say to this mountain: Remove from hence hither, and it shall remove: and nothing shall be impossible to you.

As a grain of mustard seed… That is, a perfect faith; which in its properties, and its fruits, resembles the grain of mustard seed, in the parable, chap. 13. 31.

17:20. But this kind is not cast out but by prayer and fasting.

If you don’t think fasting is penitential, trying living on bread and water every Wednesday and Friday and giving up game playing or TV or the internet or any waste of time which should be applied to our labors. In this consumer society, who then should be saved? Is it any wonder our Blessed Lord stated in Luke 18:

18:1. And he spoke also a parable to them, that we ought always to pray and not to faint,

18:2. Saying: There was a judge in a certain city, who feared not God nor regarded man.

18:3. And there was a certain widow in that city; and she came to him, saying: Avenge me of my adversary.

Avenge… That is, do me justice. It is a Hebraism.

18:4. And he would not for a long time. But afterwards he said within himself: Although I fear not God nor regard man,

18:5. Yet because this widow is troublesome to me, I will avenge her, lest continually coming she weary me.

18:6. And the Lord said: Hear what the unjust judge saith.

18:7. And will not God revenge his elect who cry to him day and night? And will he have patience in their regard?

18:8. I say to you that he will quickly revenge them. But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?

Our Blessed Lord sounds rather . . . errrmmm . . . disappointed, don’t you think?

Your sixth paragraph requests extrapolation on the topic of transubstantiation. Errrrmmmm . . . I believe that’s all I’ve been doing in previous posts, in particular the combination of citations from John, Matthew and First Corinthians. If that is insufficient, again try Catholic Answers, the Catechism, St. Joseph Radio, EWTN, or, if you really want to hear powerful preaching, Google “Fr. Corapi” and order his products/homilies in either DVD or CD. You can also find him broadcast on EWTN on-line TV, but check the program guide there for times of his broadcasts.

Other good resources would be the writings of Bishop Fulton Sheen or his TV shows from the 1950′s (when he was soundly beating “Uncle Miltie” in the national ratings). In short, stop relying upon the disparate, contradictory, confusing, rebellious and divisive individual writings of avowed PROTEST-ants and read the stuff from the Church Christ and the Holy Ghost established and which gave you the Bible, which you trust implicitly. To ignore everything else the Church offers is flagrantly illogical, if you rely solely upon their canon, even partially.

Your seventh paragraph deals with Luther and the “Reformation,” which “reformation” never seems to settle down to one, unified Truth, now, does it? Don’t the utter confusion, disarray and contradictions inherent in the heresies of PROTESTANT-ism give you any pause?

Anyway, Luther was a total nut case and a really interesting insight on his nature can be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia at http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09438b.htm, which is an exhaustive essay on the life and nature of Luther, and which also makes absolutely exhilarating reading.

And, if Luther wanted to “get rid of ‘corruption’,” then why did he add to it by the corruptible practices of the massive disunity and contradictions inherent in sola scriptura? This behavior of rebellion can hardly be said to contribute to unification and Truth. What, after all, *is* the pillar of Truth? The Bible, as you hold? Why then does First Timothy clearly stated:

3:15. But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

The pillar and ground of the truth…. Therefore the church of the living God can never uphold error, nor bring in corruptions, superstition, or idolatry.

THE CHURCH. THE BIBLE SAYS SO. GET IT?

In paragraph 9, you disparage lineage as being an unreliable evidentiary element. Why? Which PROTEST-ant church can directly plot its course directly back to Peter, upon whom Christ imposed the task to “Feed my lambs. Feed my sheep.”? Not to mention the inerrancy Christ bestowed to His Church (singular) by the power of the Holy Ghost to him and the apostles and the disciples of the Church, fully ratified in First Timothy.

Your tenth paragraph pleads for validation as a “Christian.” Can one exist outside of the Catholic Church? Of course not. Christ Himself states it resolutely by solemnly avering, “Unless you eat My Body and drink My Blood, THERE IS NO LIFE WITHIN YOU.” [My stress, of course.] Where can there be transubstantiation save through the power handed down by the bishops of the Church which Christ established at Pentacost to all the priests sent to the “four corners of the earth” to PREACH the Word, baptist the believer, heal them from their sins in the confessional and bestow upon them the Most Precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ Jesus Truly Present in the Eucharist? The Eucharist, which is the Source, Center and Summit of the Church’s (First Timothy) life. Get Fr. Corapi’s discourse on the subject at http://www.fathercorapi.com/Media/Video/Small/EUCHARISTSmall.wmv

Further, the Catholic Church DOES translate Catholic to mean universal. What other “Christian church” can make the extraordinarly claim of having a world-wide government? I’ll include a web site I’m developing which will deal with this issue at a near-future date. I’ll try to create it tonight and get it posted. When the URL is valid, I’ll leave it here, and I’ll try to get a blog going there as well to further develope the argument for anyone who is interested. Personally, I really enjoy the debate. 2,000 years of success of the Catholic Church during which all other false claims to the throne were summarily dashed to peaces or diluted to the extent of being unrecognizable from their heretical origins is proof enough to know firmly I am on the winning side.

It’s all been established the past 2,000 years. And, if you think the failings of popes and others associated with the Church is sufficient to dismiss It from the field of examination, what then shall we think of PROTEST-ants who have diluted and scandalized their own flocks, such as today’s vast panorama of televangelists? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_televangelist_scandals, for starters, eh?

A question for you. How do you confess your sins? And how do you KNOW you are forgiven?

FIVEFOOT: Thank you profoundly for the obvious tender care you provide the citizens of the countries our President has seen fit to send you to. God bless you for your love and care and know there is a massive number of Americans who are deeply proud of you for your selfless contribution, but apologize that we are usually too busy to make any noise about it. After all, somebody’s GOT to work to pay all the taxes the libbies are going to bring down on our heads in order to bring back a welfare state for the indigent, ineducablel and culturally depraved minions who are their voting block . . . at least those who aren’t convicted felons and can only dream of supporting the backsliding morality of liberalism. See http://liberalismisasin.com/ and read at least the first chapter. I’ve read no greater exacting condemnation for the heresy of liberalism than from that hallowed author, Dr. Don Felix Sarda Y Salvany. What a genius!

In Christ and praying for your entry into the Kingdom, I remain

Yours truly,

Peter1589

5:8. Be sober and watch: because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, goeth about seeking whom he may devour.

5:9. Whom resist ye, strong in faith: knowing that the same affliction befalls, your brethren who are in the world.

I have a few questions regarding the selling of indulgences and relics. For what reason is an indulgence sold and to whom is it sold? Why were indulgences sold inside churches and in the courtyard of churches? Why did many churches have the same relics? And why were people charged to see them?

Why did some popes become debt laden? Were they unwise, have bad council, or just human?

Peter, too, was human. He and Paul did not agree about the gentiles. Then the Lord showed Peter where he had erred. Peter was not perfect, yet he built on what Jesus had said and the churches that Paul had started in Greece and Rome. I’m not saying Paul was without any faults.

We all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. This includes all the teachers that came before us. This includes you and me.

As for as my issues with the Roman Catholic Eucharist, it would come down to transubstansiation. Extrapolate on that please.

Luther had resigned himself to never marry. After he had been removed from the Roman Catholic Church he did marry, and his wife actually proposed to him. Luther never asked to be separate from the Roman Catholic Church. He wanted to get rid of the corruption. Is that bad? Is that why people are excommunicated in anathama? I haven’t read such things coming out of Vatican 2, but there has been some change between Luther’s time and now. I have not been to Rome, but I don’t think that there are places for Cardinals and Archbishops and Priests to go for the things that Luther was writing against. There cannot be any denying that priests, Cardinals, bishops and even popes had mistresses and families (mind you this was not everyone, and this was not all at the same time, but during Luther’s time is was very wide spread especially in Rome). Luther was writing against this. Was he wrong to do so? Because these were practices that were political and pervasive in the Roman Catholic Church at that time, the church was against him. Yes, he stated what Paul stated, when talking about people who could not keep from wanting a woman, he said let them marry so that they do not fall into sin. Is this wrong? A celebate clergy is not ever called for in the Bible. I can only recommend reading books that are out there. Yes there are the books that raise Luther to more than a man. There are people who raise Luther to be more than a man. I am not one of these people. I have read what he wrote and look at his views from the context that he wrote them. I can only suggest you do the same. Intellectual respect is all I’m asking for.

I don’t think that any church can make that claim period. If the Truth would be taught exactly as it was taught 2000 years ago there would be some major differences. And I don’t just mean the fashion of the age.

Considering many churches make the same claim about the lineage of pastors, this is rather weak. There are many reasons for others to make the claim. I do not have time at this moment to go into them all, and I ask that you forgive me.

One last question set. Can a Christian exist outside of the Roman Catholic Church? Can a True church exist outside the Roman Catholic Church? Should the Roman Catholic Church translate Catholic to the more easily understood Universal? The last one can be answered no and I would not find fault as the current debate is going. Lastly, do you pray to the pope? ( I ask this because of my experience with Roman Catholics in different areas of the world )

May God grant you patience and wisdom when speaking, may you have strength to be humble and the wisdom to do what is right in the eyes of God. May God grant you peace in your spirit, mind and body. May God reveal Himself to you through His Word by the power of His Spirit. May God’s grace and mercy overflow onto you and in your life. In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Okay, the Bible wasn’t compiled until 360 or so. What happened to all those Christians who came before? They were fed by the Word, not the Book. Christ commanded the apostles and disciples to TEACH ALL NATIONS, not set up Amazon.com and sell all sorts of individual interpretations!! It was a teaching Church, not a book club.

And what did Christ say about it? Here, read:

14:23. Jesus answered and said to him: If any one love me, he will keep my word. And my Father will love him and we will come to him and will make our abode with him.

14:24. He that loveth me not keepeth not my words. And the word which you have heard is not mine; but the Father’s who sent me.

14:25. These things have I spoken to you, abiding with you.

14:26. But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you.

Teach you all things… Here the Holy Ghost is promised to the apostles and their successors, particularly, in order to teach them all truth, and to preserve them from error.

Exactly so. The Holy Ghost with TEACH YOU ALL THINGS AND BRING ALL THINGS TO YOUR MIND, WHATSOEVER I SHALL HAVE SAID TO YOU. Meaning, in fine, that there is much in the life of Christ and the teachings of the Christ which are not to be found in the Bible. Find the word, “Trinity” therein, for example. It’s not. Yet this is a dogma even found in the name of numerous PROTEST-ant churches.

It’s such an important concept, our Blessed Lord repeats it again in Matthew a second time:

16:12. I have yet many things to say to you: but you cannot bear them now.

16:13. But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth. For he shall not speak of himself: but what things soever he shall hear, he shall speak. And the things that are to come, he shall shew you.

Will teach you all truth… See the annotation on chap. 14. ver. 26.

Does He leave it at that? Heck, no! Christ knew that MEN would be TEACHING MEN and that without supernatural guidance heresy would emerge and destroy His work. Do you think He was about to let THAT happen? Hardly! The gates of Hell will never prevail. Which is why Jesus gave infallibility to Peter (whatsoever you bind . . . whatsoever you loose) and his successors so that throughout human history the Truth would never dissipate or evaporate.

Not to say liberalism hasn’t tried, but nope! Just like Justin Martyr’s explanation above, the Catholic Church still behaves in exactly the same manner at Holy Mass, and still teaches EXACTLY what the Apostles taught as they went out at the command of Jesus WITHOUT A BIBLE:

The final statements in Matthew firmly avow this:

28:18. And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth.

All power, etc… See here the warrant and commission of the apostles and their successors, the bishops and pastors of Christ’s church. He received from his Father all power in heaven and in earth: and in virtue of this power, he sends them (even as his Father sent him, St. John 20. 21) to teach and disciple, not one, but all nations; and instruct them in all truths: and that he may assist them effectually in the execution of this commission, he promises to be with them, not for three or four hundred years only, but all days, even to the consummation of the world. How then could the Catholic Church ever go astray; having always with her pastors, as is here promised, Christ himself, who is the way, the truth, and the life. St. John 14.

28:19. Going therefore, teach ye all nations: baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.

28:20. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. And behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.

With us in the Eucharist and the Holy Ghost continues to teach the Truth EXACTLY as it was taught 2,000 years ago at Pentacost. NO OTHER CHURCH CAN MAKE THAT CLAIM AND NO HUMAN BEING CAN BE HELD SO IMMUTABLE AND SO INFALLIBLE.

Live with it. Come home!