Comments on: California moves to outlaw spanking http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/ Protect yourself from government gaffes, bureaucratic blunders and incumbent incompetence Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:25:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jane http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/#comment-13349 Jane Sat, 07 Aug 2010 08:28:19 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/#comment-13349 Tax payer money also goes to schools, which want to teach and protect kids. You support that right? Protecting kids from abusive spanking with this law...what's the difference? Tax payer money also goes to schools, which want to teach and protect kids. You support that right? Protecting kids from abusive spanking with this law…what’s the difference?

]]> By: Alex a 12 yr old http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/#comment-13348 Alex a 12 yr old Sun, 02 May 2010 17:19:04 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/#comment-13348 I love this law! I'm crying ( rly I am) because of this law. My parents have abused me ever since I was a baby. I'm emotionally scarred from those horrid memories.. I'm only 12,too. Hopefully now I know that I can charge them with abuse both emotionally and physically. In 3rd grade is was whipped until I peed. Now I feel safer than usual in my own household. Thank you! PS- I'm still crying As I type.. I love this law! I’m crying ( rly I am) because of this law. My parents have abused me ever since I was a baby. I’m emotionally scarred from those horrid memories.. I’m only 12,too. Hopefully now I know that I can charge them with abuse both emotionally and physically. In 3rd grade is was whipped until I peed. Now I feel safer than usual in my own household. Thank you! PS- I’m still crying As I type..

]]> By: Phil http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/#comment-13347 Phil Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:34:55 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/#comment-13347 Any uneducated insensitive idiot can loose patients with a child and spank or beat without realizing the damages that occure physically to a child later in life or at the time of the selfish act of spanking a child. A transverse process are the bones that stick out of the vertibrae below the ribs and are so easy to break in children, among so many other problems that occur. A child can have a deformaty, diseases of the skelital system, muscles or nervous system that can be serious enough without more trauma causing more damage. It's too difficult to know when one is hitting too hard and parents can't know what a child feels. Anyone who resorts to physical violance on a child is a coward who hasn't the brains to understand all the horrors and expenses in spanking or any other type of physical violance, considering the fact three are just too many other ways to punish a child without spanking. Children who are spanked become more apt to use phsical violence later in life. People who use physical violance on children often loose control at times and it's just too easy to hurt children with permanent concequences. Hitting is hate, hugging and using alternative methods is love, which do you teach your children? Any uneducated insensitive idiot can loose patients with a child and spank or beat without realizing the damages that occure physically to a child later in life or at the time of the selfish act of spanking a child. A transverse process are the bones that stick out of the vertibrae below the ribs and are so easy to break in children, among so many other problems that occur. A child can have a deformaty, diseases of the skelital system, muscles or nervous system that can be serious enough without more trauma causing more damage. It’s too difficult to know when one is hitting too hard and parents can’t know what a child feels. Anyone who resorts to physical violance on a child is a coward who hasn’t the brains to understand all the horrors and expenses in spanking or any other type of physical violance, considering the fact three are just too many other ways to punish a child without spanking. Children who are spanked become more apt to use phsical violence later in life. People who use physical violance on children often loose control at times and it’s just too easy to hurt children with permanent concequences. Hitting is hate, hugging and using alternative methods is love, which do you teach your children?

]]> By: Zo http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/#comment-13346 Zo Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:49:29 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/#comment-13346 I cannot believe the exerpt I just read from Darby and many of the others. I'm floored! I cannot believe that Darby indicated that she hates her mom for spanking her. That's very sad. What ever happened to teaching kids that there are consequenses for their actions. I've got news for everyone out there - the world is not easy. It takes courage and street smarts to make it out there. Not everyone is polite and looking out for your best interest. You need to toughen up your kids and give them a chance to make it once they become adults and learn how to handle difficult situations. There is a difference between a spanking and a beating. Listen, the bottom line is that no government entity has the right to tell a parent how to raise their kid. Period. Think about what is going in the world today with kids - kids are bringing more guns to school today than ever before, there are school shootings seemingly every week, and have you ever watch TV - kids talk back to their parents like never before. There is no respect for adults on the part of kids and that is because there is a lack of discipline. Kids are very smart - they will test their parents to see what they can/cannot get away with and see what their punishment for their actions are. If they know their punishment is a "timeout" or their gameboy being taken away, they will continue to do the same things over & over again because they have not developed a respect for their parents. Parents are too busy trying to be their kids friend instead of being their parent. A spanking shows your kid that what they did was wrong and it let's them know that their parents care. Kids need to be disciplined and there is a BIG difference between spanking your kid an abusing them. As you can tell I am for spanking your kid. I respect parents that choose not too as it is their choice on how they raise their kids, but for the government to tell me how to is intrusive to nonsense. I cannot believe the exerpt I just read from Darby and many of the others. I’m floored! I cannot believe that Darby indicated that she hates her mom for spanking her. That’s very sad.

What ever happened to teaching kids that there are consequenses for their actions. I’ve got news for everyone out there – the world is not easy. It takes courage and street smarts to make it out there. Not everyone is polite and looking out for your best interest. You need to toughen up your kids and give them a chance to make it once they become adults and learn how to handle difficult situations. There is a difference between a spanking and a beating.

Listen, the bottom line is that no government entity has the right to tell a parent how to raise their kid. Period. Think about what is going in the world today with kids – kids are bringing more guns to school today than ever before, there are school shootings seemingly every week, and have you ever watch TV – kids talk back to their parents like never before. There is no respect for adults on the part of kids and that is because there is a lack of discipline. Kids are very smart – they will test their parents to see what they can/cannot get away with and see what their punishment for their actions are. If they know their punishment is a “timeout” or their gameboy being taken away, they will continue to do the same things over & over again because they have not developed a respect for their parents. Parents are too busy trying to be their kids friend instead of being their parent. A spanking shows your kid that what they did was wrong and it let’s them know that their parents care.

Kids need to be disciplined and there is a BIG difference between spanking your kid an abusing them. As you can tell I am for spanking your kid. I respect parents that choose not too as it is their choice on how they raise their kids, but for the government to tell me how to is intrusive to nonsense.

]]> By: Kenny http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/#comment-13345 Kenny Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:45:15 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/#comment-13345 I am sure that there are other ways of disciplining children besides spanking, but a spanking is not a beating, and it's not the right of the state to tell parents how to discipline their children. I find it absurd that a parent could go to jail for a year for smacking their child on the backside. It reminds me of the movie "The Killing Fields" where children were taught to tattle on their own parents if they did something the "state" didn't like. These people who want to meddle in other peoples lives have already screwed up more than one generation of children with their permissive philosophy. I always felt loved and safe in my relationship with my parents and I never held it against them when I got my backside tanned (usually when I was disrespectful). I don't understand these shrinking violets who complain that their parents spanked them a couple of times and it ruined their lives. Somehow, I think it was something else that was bothering them. Well, at any rate the government needs to stay out of our lives as much as possible since they manage to screw up almost anything they get involved with. I am sure that there are other ways of disciplining children besides spanking, but a spanking is not a beating, and it’s not the right of the state to tell parents how to discipline their children. I find it absurd that a parent could go to jail for a year for smacking their child on the backside. It reminds me of the movie “The Killing Fields” where children were taught to tattle on their own parents if they did something the “state” didn’t like. These people who want to meddle in other peoples lives have already screwed up more than one generation of children with their permissive philosophy. I always felt loved and safe in my relationship with my parents and I never held it against them when I got my backside tanned (usually when I was disrespectful). I don’t understand these shrinking violets who complain that their parents spanked them a couple of times and it ruined their lives. Somehow, I think it was something else that was bothering them. Well, at any rate the government needs to stay out of our lives as much as possible since they manage to screw up almost anything they get involved with.

]]> By: Darby http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/#comment-13344 Darby Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:42:02 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/#comment-13344 Spanking is not a necessary discipline method. If you feel your child will be completely out of control without spanking, you are wrong. There are other ways to discipline. What I can't understand is why people who spank are so violently opposed to trying any alternative. It's almost as if suggesting an alternative to hitting is taken as a personal insult to their parenting skills. I was a headstart and kindergarten teacher. Over the years I have successfully disciplined hundreds of children and never had to spank any of them. Here's how; I accepted the fact that it is my responsibility to control their environment when they are children. By controlling their environment, I easily control the behavior. To the parent who mentioned 'imagine your 2 year old wandering through the house...', your two year old should not be allowed to 'wander through the house, the kitchen or any environment you haven't controlled for him'. If you don't allow him to wander through the house, he won't get into things he shouldn't. Again, it is your responsibility to control the environment until your child can control his own environment. I've heard tons of situations of why a parent should spank and in each situation its easy to see a downfall in the parent's action. Here are some examples: My child got a hold of the matches = you didn't properly store a dangerous object. My child put a fork in an outlet while I was napping and almost killed himself=you can't nap and leave your child unattended. A healthy child will explore. That's natural. My child wandered off at the mall= you became distracted and were not paying attention to your child. I could go on but you get the idea. Stop punishing your children for being children. I don't want to insult anyone but it comes off as if you don't understand child development. I have seen parents smack their kids for getting rowdy in the mall. Well guess what, a 4 year old doesn't have the attention span to walk 50 stores and watch you try on stuff you don't need (in fact, neither do I). It's not his fault that you can't afford a babysitter. If you have to put him in inappropriate situations (and sure, we are all forced to sometimes) you are going to have to find a way to calmly deal with the inappropriate behavior that will result. If you take a kid to a birthday party and fill him up with McDonalds and cake, he's going to be bouncing off the walls when he gets home. You control the environment. For all of you who think my words are BS, if you have a normal healthy child (I say that because some children have actual behavior disorders and need medication or professional intervention) and he/she tends to misbehave, take them outside on a warm day and give them 2-3 hours of real exercise...a game of football, baseball, swimming or playing in the park. Walk him to the park, don't get in the car, and walk with him back home afterwards. I can guarantee you won't need to spank him that day. That child will come home sit down, relax and probably fall asleep right after dinner. Most kids do not get enough exercise or attention to use up their energy constructively because their parents don't have time. I'm not blaming anyone, most of us have to work or have other obligations that keep us from spending as much time with our kids as we would like, but just realize that more often than not we are the ones creating the problem, and punishing the child for reacting to the situation as any kid would. I had two spankings in my life and I remember them both very clearly. My mom didn't physically hurt me with the spanking and I know she thought she was doing the right thing, but she was wrong. A part of me has always hated her for it, but I can forgive her because she didn't know any better. I wouldn't expect my kids to forgive me, because I do know better. If anyone wants to discuss it further drop me a line Spanking is not a necessary discipline method. If you feel your child will be completely out of control without spanking, you are wrong. There are other ways to discipline. What I can’t understand is why people who spank are so violently opposed to trying any alternative. It’s almost as if suggesting an alternative to hitting is taken as a personal insult to their parenting skills. I was a headstart and kindergarten teacher. Over the years I have successfully disciplined hundreds of children and never had to spank any of them. Here’s how; I accepted the fact that it is my responsibility to control their environment when they are children. By controlling their environment, I easily control the behavior. To the parent who mentioned ‘imagine your 2 year old wandering through the house…’, your two year old should not be allowed to ‘wander through the house, the kitchen or any environment you haven’t controlled for him’. If you don’t allow him to wander through the house, he won’t get into things he shouldn’t. Again, it is your responsibility to control the environment until your child can control his own environment.

I’ve heard tons of situations of why a parent should spank and in each situation its easy to see a downfall in the parent’s action. Here are some examples:

My child got a hold of the matches = you didn’t properly store a dangerous object.

My child put a fork in an outlet while I was napping and almost killed himself=you can’t nap and leave your child unattended. A healthy child will explore. That’s natural.

My child wandered off at the mall= you became distracted and were not paying attention to your child.

I could go on but you get the idea. Stop punishing your children for being children. I don’t want to insult anyone but it comes off as if you don’t understand child development. I have seen parents smack their kids for getting rowdy in the mall. Well guess what, a 4 year old doesn’t have the attention span to walk 50 stores and watch you try on stuff you don’t need (in fact, neither do I). It’s not his fault that you can’t afford a babysitter. If you have to put him in inappropriate situations (and sure, we are all forced to sometimes) you are going to have to find a way to calmly deal with the inappropriate behavior that will result. If you take a kid to a birthday party and fill him up with McDonalds and cake, he’s going to be bouncing off the walls when he gets home. You control the environment.

For all of you who think my words are BS, if you have a normal healthy child (I say that because some children have actual behavior disorders and need medication or professional intervention) and he/she tends to misbehave, take them outside on a warm day and give them 2-3 hours of real exercise…a game of football, baseball, swimming or playing in the park. Walk him to the park, don’t get in the car, and walk with him back home afterwards. I can guarantee you won’t need to spank him that day. That child will come home sit down, relax and probably fall asleep right after dinner. Most kids do not get enough exercise or attention to use up their energy constructively because their parents don’t have time. I’m not blaming anyone, most of us have to work or have other obligations that keep us from spending as much time with our kids as we would like, but just realize that more often than not we are the ones creating the problem, and punishing the child for reacting to the situation as any kid would.

I had two spankings in my life and I remember them both very clearly. My mom didn’t physically hurt me with the spanking and I know she thought she was doing the right thing, but she was wrong. A part of me has always hated her for it, but I can forgive her because she didn’t know any better.

I wouldn’t expect my kids to forgive me, because I do know better.

If anyone wants to discuss it further drop me a line

]]> By: Buttwhacker http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/#comment-13343 Buttwhacker Sun, 05 Aug 2007 16:46:31 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/#comment-13343 Why don't these spankaholic parents admit to themselves and the world that it isn't for discipline, it's that they enjoy hitting kids? Why don’t these spankaholic parents admit to themselves and the world that it isn’t for discipline, it’s that they enjoy hitting kids?

]]> By: nellz http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/#comment-13342 nellz Tue, 29 May 2007 21:23:11 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/#comment-13342 beat them kids beat them kids

]]> By: Kristine Smith http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/#comment-13341 Kristine Smith Sat, 19 May 2007 20:26:24 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/#comment-13341 Don't dare to bring in God in cruel child dicipline. God is loving. God does not spank. There is NO WHERE in the Holy Bible where God commands to spank children. "Spare the rod, Spoil the child" - does not say spank your child. This is a Bible vers fundamentalists love to twist to give them permission to spank a child. Jesus loves children and never hit children. Jewish people don't spank children from which Bible, Old Testament, the verse comes from. Rod in Hebrew is the kind you guide sheep with. If you spare this rod, then your sheep get misguided. So, what parents need to do is to guide their children. So, don't come here and twist the Bible and God's Word. For, God is loving, NOT a spanking God. Don’t dare to bring in God in cruel child dicipline. God is loving. God does not spank. There is NO WHERE in the Holy Bible where God commands to spank children. “Spare the rod, Spoil the child” – does not say spank your child. This is a Bible vers fundamentalists love to twist to give them permission to spank a child. Jesus loves children and never hit children. Jewish people don’t spank children from which Bible, Old Testament, the verse comes from. Rod in Hebrew is the kind you guide sheep with. If you spare this rod, then your sheep get misguided. So, what parents need to do is to guide their children. So, don’t come here and twist the Bible and God’s Word. For, God is loving, NOT a spanking God.

]]> By: Joshua David Brown http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/#comment-13340 Joshua David Brown Sat, 19 May 2007 16:17:54 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/25/california-moves-to-outlaw-spanking/#comment-13340 This bill is a new level of stupidity. Spanking, done properly, is a good form of discipline. It teaches the children they are responsible for their disobedience. I was spanked as a child and I turned out great. When I have children, I will spank them if they're disobedient. It can only become abusive if the parent spanks while they are angry. Dr. Spock started the "no spanking" methods and it brought up an entire generation of spoiled brats. He denounced his methods on his deathbed saying he had ruined and corrupted an entire nation. My mom used switches. My stepdad used a belt. In the cases at church where I've had to punish, a wooden spoon works very well. These legislators will have to answer to God one day. They'll have to answer for their stupidity. I encourage all parents to disobey this asinine law. God bless you all. This bill is a new level of stupidity. Spanking, done properly, is a good form of discipline. It teaches the children they are responsible for their disobedience. I was spanked as a child and I turned out great. When I have children, I will spank them if they’re disobedient. It can only become abusive if the parent spanks while they are angry. Dr. Spock started the “no spanking” methods and it brought up an entire generation of spoiled brats. He denounced his methods on his deathbed saying he had ruined and corrupted an entire nation.
My mom used switches. My stepdad used a belt. In the cases at church where I’ve had to punish, a wooden spoon works very well.
These legislators will have to answer to God one day. They’ll have to answer for their stupidity. I encourage all parents to disobey this asinine law.
God bless you all.

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