Comments on: TSA misses liquid explosives, weapons in tests http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/04/04/tsa-misses-liquid-explosives-weapons-in-tests/ Protect yourself from government gaffes, bureaucratic blunders and incumbent incompetence Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:25:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Nicole http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/04/04/tsa-misses-liquid-explosives-weapons-in-tests/#comment-14836 Nicole Sat, 15 Sep 2007 01:31:22 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/04/04/tsa-misses-liquid-explosives-weapons-in-tests/#comment-14836 ReallyEvilCanine, I am hoping that Kristi was being sarcastic. That's how I read it and oh please, oh please let it be so. ReallyEvilCanine, I am hoping that Kristi was being sarcastic. That’s how I read it and oh please, oh please let it be so.

]]> By: TSA seizes water, lets bombs through - Homeland Stupidity http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/04/04/tsa-misses-liquid-explosives-weapons-in-tests/#comment-14835 TSA seizes water, lets bombs through - Homeland Stupidity Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:38:53 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/04/04/tsa-misses-liquid-explosives-weapons-in-tests/#comment-14835 [...] Red Team testing at Denver earlier this year, screeners missed 90% of fake guns and explosives smuggled through checkpoints. [...] [...] Red Team testing at Denver earlier this year, screeners missed 90% of fake guns and explosives smuggled through checkpoints. [...]

]]> By: ReallyEvilCanine http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/04/04/tsa-misses-liquid-explosives-weapons-in-tests/#comment-14834 ReallyEvilCanine Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:03:49 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/04/04/tsa-misses-liquid-explosives-weapons-in-tests/#comment-14834 Kirsti, you have all the logical skills of a seedless grape. You are allowed to carry matches on a plane but not a lighter. This is stupidity. You can set up a book of matches to function as a time-delay incendiary and be away from the actual fire. This is impossible with a lighter. Instead of being one of the millions of Chicken Littles running around screaming that the sky is falling, <a href="http://qntm.org/terrorism" rel="nofollow">read this</a>. Kirsti, you have all the logical skills of a seedless grape. You are allowed to carry matches on a plane but not a lighter. This is stupidity. You can set up a book of matches to function as a time-delay incendiary and be away from the actual fire. This is impossible with a lighter.

Instead of being one of the millions of Chicken Littles running around screaming that the sky is falling, read this.

]]> By: Kristi http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/04/04/tsa-misses-liquid-explosives-weapons-in-tests/#comment-14833 Kristi Tue, 17 Jul 2007 04:03:30 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/04/04/tsa-misses-liquid-explosives-weapons-in-tests/#comment-14833 John, Who cares if you have to be where ever the lighter is to start a fire.......you obviously don't understand terrorism. John,
Who cares if you have to be where ever the lighter is to start a fire…….you obviously don’t understand terrorism.

]]> By: peter P. http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/04/04/tsa-misses-liquid-explosives-weapons-in-tests/#comment-14832 peter P. Sun, 13 May 2007 22:25:38 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/04/04/tsa-misses-liquid-explosives-weapons-in-tests/#comment-14832 Look up 'interdicting'. You really meant 'intercepting' ? Look up ‘interdicting’.
You really meant ‘intercepting’ ?

]]> By: ReallyEvilCanine http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/04/04/tsa-misses-liquid-explosives-weapons-in-tests/#comment-14831 ReallyEvilCanine Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:24:21 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/04/04/tsa-misses-liquid-explosives-weapons-in-tests/#comment-14831 John, People want security. What they're sick of is not only the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater" rel="nofollow">security theatre</a> but also the total dehumanizing experience that is today's screening. It's pointless, it's stupid, it humiliating, and it doesn't provide even the slightest addition to the security of 30 years ago walking through the metal detectors. Not a single intrusion performed today would've stopped 9/11. Not one. Even without the boxcutters the terrorists had learned martial arts and improvising weapons on-board is easy. The only way to make flights totally safe is to strip the pax naked, X-ray them with a dose that would prevent them flying more than twice a year, and chain them down in the manner of the nineteenth century slave ships. The first thing they took away from us in boot camp (in 1982) was our matches. Lighters were OK since you have to be wherever the lighter is to start a fire. Not so with matches. You don't even have to join the military to know this; it was a realistic plot device in <i>Stalag 17</i>. When I pointed this out to the TSA guy who'd said he'd been a Marine as he demanded I give up my lighter, I ended up nearly missing my flight as I was subjected to interrogation first by the police, then the FBI. I wrote about one experience I had in <a>. To save you the trouble of clicking, this was the dialog at JFK in December: <blockquote>TSA: You can't take these liquids with you. REC: They're each under 100ml and all in the bag. TSA: You can't take them. They're drinkable. REC: And they were drinkable when I got on in Munich and in London. I'm not even flying internationally. They're sealed cans provided by the airline! Look at the BA logo! TSA: And I'm telling you that you can't take them to Florida. REC: But I can buy the same stuff again right there ten feet away! TSA: Exactly. You have to buy them here. REC: So this has nothing to do with 'security' and everything to do with revenue generation? TSA: Well, now you... Supervisor (cutting TSA off): If that's how you want to see it, sir. Do you plan to make it to Tampa tonight or not?</blockquote> And so I gave up the bottles in order to get to my brother's place, a trip that ended up taking some 26 hours all told. I'd forgotten about the 33cl can of Coke and the 20cl can of Malvern (sparkling water) in my jacket pocket. The jacket went through the X-ray machine. I noticed the cans when I put the jacket back on. TSA didn't. Good thing, too, since everything closes at 8:00p.m. and it was 8:03. This is not about security. It's about controlling people. Nothing more. The airlines won't do anything about it on behalf of their passengers because they earn more money selling drinks to pax and can simply wash their hands of the matter and blame airport security. The security itself is, as this entry explains, a bloody joke. Few are laughing.</a> John,

People want security. What they’re sick of is not only the security theatre but also the total dehumanizing experience that is today’s screening. It’s pointless, it’s stupid, it humiliating, and it doesn’t provide even the slightest addition to the security of 30 years ago walking through the metal detectors.

Not a single intrusion performed today would’ve stopped 9/11. Not one. Even without the boxcutters the terrorists had learned martial arts and improvising weapons on-board is easy. The only way to make flights totally safe is to strip the pax naked, X-ray them with a dose that would prevent them flying more than twice a year, and chain them down in the manner of the nineteenth century slave ships.

The first thing they took away from us in boot camp (in 1982) was our matches. Lighters were OK since you have to be wherever the lighter is to start a fire. Not so with matches. You don’t even have to join the military to know this; it was a realistic plot device in Stalag 17. When I pointed this out to the TSA guy who’d said he’d been a Marine as he demanded I give up my lighter, I ended up nearly missing my flight as I was subjected to interrogation first by the police, then the FBI.

I wrote about one experience I had in . To save you the trouble of clicking, this was the dialog at JFK in December:

TSA: You can’t take these liquids with you.
REC: They’re each under 100ml and all in the bag.
TSA: You can’t take them. They’re drinkable.
REC: And they were drinkable when I got on in Munich and in London. I’m not even flying internationally. They’re sealed cans provided by the airline! Look at the BA logo!
TSA: And I’m telling you that you can’t take them to Florida.
REC: But I can buy the same stuff again right there ten feet away!
TSA: Exactly. You have to buy them here.
REC: So this has nothing to do with ‘security’ and everything to do with revenue generation?
TSA: Well, now you…
Supervisor (cutting TSA off): If that’s how you want to see it, sir. Do you plan to make it to Tampa tonight or not?

And so I gave up the bottles in order to get to my brother’s place, a trip that ended up taking some 26 hours all told. I’d forgotten about the 33cl can of Coke and the 20cl can of Malvern (sparkling water) in my jacket pocket. The jacket went through the X-ray machine. I noticed the cans when I put the jacket back on. TSA didn’t. Good thing, too, since everything closes at 8:00p.m. and it was 8:03.

This is not about security. It’s about controlling people. Nothing more. The airlines won’t do anything about it on behalf of their passengers because they earn more money selling drinks to pax and can simply wash their hands of the matter and blame airport security. The security itself is, as this entry explains, a bloody joke. Few are laughing.

]]> By: John http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/04/04/tsa-misses-liquid-explosives-weapons-in-tests/#comment-14830 John Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:45:35 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/04/04/tsa-misses-liquid-explosives-weapons-in-tests/#comment-14830 Doesn't surprise ME in the least. I am a TSA screener. Management AND the PAX do not want security. The PAX whine if you are not subservient and take their knives away. Management is more worried about public relations and kissing xxx then protecting the public. Management's focus since 9/12 has been "numbers are equal to previous numbers" and "tracking wait times". We wouldn't want the PAX to have to WAIT a few minutes. Security may well be worse now than PRE 9/11. But hey! just so people are smiling and pleasant, that is what we REALLY want, a "pleasant" trip, right up until the side of the plane rips open. TSA is a Ptomkin Village to protect.........the AIRLINE INDUSTRY. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Doesn’t surprise ME in the least. I am a TSA screener. Management AND the PAX do not want security. The PAX whine if you are not subservient and take their knives away. Management is more worried about public relations and kissing xxx then protecting the public. Management’s focus since 9/12 has been “numbers are equal to previous numbers” and “tracking wait times”. We wouldn’t want the PAX to have to WAIT a few minutes. Security may well be worse now than PRE 9/11. But hey! just so people are smiling and pleasant, that is what we REALLY want, a “pleasant” trip, right up until the side of the plane rips open. TSA is a Ptomkin Village to protect………the AIRLINE INDUSTRY. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

]]> By: More on airport security theatre « Blunt Object http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/04/04/tsa-misses-liquid-explosives-weapons-in-tests/#comment-14829 More on airport security theatre « Blunt Object Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:23:29 +0000 http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/04/04/tsa-misses-liquid-explosives-weapons-in-tests/#comment-14829 [...] TSA misses liquid explosives, weapons in tests [...] [...] TSA misses liquid explosives, weapons in tests [...]

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