For those who doubted that Rep. Ron Paul was a serious contender for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008, the debate Tuesday night in South Carolina put all doubts to rest. Paul stirred up a firestorm of controversy for suggesting that the Department of Homeland Security made national security even more inefficient after September 11 than before, and especially for his assertion that U.S. foreign policy over the past several decades contributed to the rise of Islamic terrorism.
But viewers at home responded, putting Ron Paul in second place in FOX’s own tamper-proof viewer poll.
As opposed to the largely conservative FOX viewers, MSNBC’s interactive post-debate poll, with more moderate viewers, puts Ron Paul squarely at the top of the heap among that network’s viewers.
And his assertions are not without merit.
Last week, the Government Accountability Office reported (PDF) that DHS “lacks a comprehensive integration strategy with overall goals, a timeline, appropriate responsibility and accountability determinations, and a dedicated team to support its efforts.” DHS still doesn’t have a plan to “deal with its many management challenges . . . could have serious consequences for our homeland security.”
Paul said during the debate that we had all the dots to put together the 9/11 plot and stop the attackers, but the bureaucracy was too inefficient to connect the dots. So in response, the government created even more inefficient bureaucracy.
Indeed, sharing of intelligence even between federal agencies, let alone with state and local agencies, still hasn’t improved that much since 9/11. Another GAO audit (PDF) last week found that the Homeland Security Information Network, meant to share intelligence with state and local officials, is doing a poor job and is largely redundant, since states and localities have already set up information-sharing networks, which DHS has failed to plug into. We’re little closer to being able to connect the dots, and all we have is a new “giant bureaucracy” eating up billions of taxpayer dollars to show for it.
That’s right, instead of real security, we’ve gotten real incompetence.
Citing the Central Intelligence Agency’s “blowback” principle, Paul explained that U.S. intervention in Middle Eastern affairs over the past several decades contributed to anti-American sentiment and helped create enemies, some of whom are today’s terrorists. This didn’t go over too well with Rudy Giuliani, who seems to know little about U.S. foreign policy for someone who supposedly led his city through the worst international terrorist attack in U.S. history.
“They attack us because we’ve been over there. We’ve been bombing Iraq for 10 years. … We’ve been in the Middle East,” Paul said in explaining his opposition to going to war in Iraq. “Right now, we’re building an embassy in Iraq that is bigger than the Vatican. We’re building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting.
“They are delighted that we’re over there because Usama bin Laden has said, ‘I’m glad you’re over on our sand because we can target you so much easier.’ They have already now since that time they’ve killed 3,400 of our men and I don’t think it was necessary,” he continued.
“That’s really an extraordinary statement,” Giuliani said, interrupting FOX News panelist Wendell Goler. “That’s really an extraordinary statement, as someone who lived through the attack of Sept. 11, that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq. I don’t think I have ever heard that before and I have heard some pretty absurd explanations for Sept. 11. I would ask the congressman withdraw that comment and tell us that he didn’t really mean that.” — FOX News
It goes back far before Desert Storm, as Paul pointed out, citing Reagan sending the Marines into Lebanon in 1983, saying “I will never turn tail and run,” and then pulling them back out after realizing just how “irrational” they are over there.
The only people who really reacted negatively to this were the handpicked debate audience, who applauded Giuliani for his ridiculous outburst and poor understanding of just what it is we’re up against.
While I rarely write about it, I follow the war in Iraq and other U.S. counterterrorism activities very closely. Ronald Reagan was right when he called them “irrational,” and so is Ron Paul. Indulge me for a moment while I quote from possibly the greatest military strategist of all time:
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle. — Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Sound familiar? The reason we’re suffering so badly in Iraq is that we’ve failed to know and truly understand our enemy. We failed in 1967, we failed in 1983, we failed in 2001, and we have failed today. The party line is that the Islamic jihadists hate us and our freedom and want to establish a global Islamic caliphate, dominating the world under Sharia law. Some people in this country claim that every Muslim wants this. (This is kind of like saying that the Church of Scientology represents all of Christendom.) The reality is quite a bit more complex than that.
Speaking of which, it’s probably more accurate to think of Al Qaeda and their associated jihadists as a religious cult. This is, after all, exactly how they act. We already know how to deal with religious cults, and it doesn’t involve long, protracted wars in the desert halfway around the world.
One last thing Ron Paul has been at pains to point out is that it’s left-leaning Democrats who have gotten us into the vast majority of conflicts in the last century, and conservative Republicans who have gotten us out of the vast majority of them. We must certainly be ready to defend ourselves from those who would attack us and have attacked us. If I’m around when somebody starts shooting people in a shopping mall, he’s getting two to the chest and one to the head. But we should not be picking fights, especially with people we don’t understand. We should instead open commerce and trade and let other countries sort out their own problems. That’s been the American way since the beginning, and it’s about time conservatives started being conservative again.
I’m apparently not the only person who thinks so; Ron Paul gained 25% of the vote in FOX’s more secure viewer poll of largely conservative viewers, coming in just behind Mitt Romney at 29% and far ahead of Guiliani at 19%. Supposed first tier candidate John McCain has fallen to the back of the pack with the rest of the second-tier candidates. It’s going to be much more difficult for the mainstream media to keep up their blissful, deliberate ignorance now.
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Ron Paul was brilliant in this debate! It’s a shame that the deck is intentionally stacked against him. Instead of kowtowing to special interests, he tells it like it is. Instead of being beholden to corporations, like all the other candidates, Paul receives 97% of his contributions from individuals.
I think Ron Paul did great with the time he was given, although he definitely got less then Rudy McRomney and the others ;). I think if he’d had enough time, he probably would’ve won.
I also thought Ron Paul did very well… Rudy knows nothing about foreign policy and to all those with a brain, he definitely showed his ignorance last night. Ron was agreeing with the CIA and the 9/11 Commission Report– is Rudy saying that they’re wrong, too? By setting up a strawman argument in his favor, Rudy showed that he can play the dirtiest of politics and is as immoral a politician as he is a husband.
Michael Scheuer, the CIA’s top specialist on bin Laden for years, told CNN: “We’re being attacked for what we do in the Islamic world, not for who we are or what we believe in or how we live.”
This is directly contradicting what Rudy G said in the debate last night.
Ron did NOT say that America caused the attacks or deserved the attacks, but that our policies are upsetting the crazy Islamist fascists. How can anyone disagree?
Considering the forum Ron Paul struck a decisive victory over the field and showed me what I already knew… He is going to make the best president we may have had since the time of the founding fathers… He absolutely spanked Chris Wallace and the other panelists with their weak attempts to take digs at his Libertarian past… I loved it!
Oh I forgot… SEND MONEY THE MAN NEEDS OUR SUPPORT!!! If we loose this fight now we will never be this strong again as there is no time left… if you believe as I do then the time is now!!
All hail John Paul. Finally someone with a sense of history and the humility to understand the old addage ” We reap what we sow.” Mr. Paul, I salute you.
To Ron Paul; Superb”"”" I’m sure you are aware of that gang attack on Pat Buchanan when he ran. Why not pre-empt by recalling that gang attack. It would be an opportunity to “wakeup” Americans(at least the ones there is hope for).
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D. Young, it’s Ron Paul not John paul. But besides that, Mr. Paul definetely gained some much needed attention at the debate last night, and I’m sure his name will get mentioned much more on national media, both conservative and liberal. Any publicity is good publicity.
Now is the time to spread the word to your friends.
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The truth is screaming to be heard…and Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate who is telling it!
JIM DUNN
Austin, TX
What was astounding, was that the “Fair and Balanced” station began attempting to influence the poll the moment the debate halted, by having Carl Cameron declare Ron Paul as a D.O.A. candidate, Hannity doing the same, along with a DEMOCRAT strategist regurgitating the Guliani red herring offense.
Then, along comes the results with Paul in the lead, and Hannity looked like he lost his best friend, and forgot where he buried him! Hannity then went on to rag on his own “tamper proof” poll!
Fair and Balanced my ass! Go get em Dr. Paul!
Ron Paul is the only “Classic Conservative” With him as President we could regain national pride, and World respect in one swoop!
Jim Dunn from Austin – you’re absolutely correct. Ron Paul is the only candidate among them that’s willing to face the truth and, thankfully, it looks like a large bulk of the US population agree. If the terrorists attacked us because we are free (like Guilliani said) then, by that logic, they should be attacking places like Switzerland too. The fact is, we’ve been sticking our nose in places it’s not welcome – it’s bound to upset the natives.
Thanks to the internet, people can now see through the MSM lies. The top tier candidates on both sides are all bought and paid for shills.
Ron Paul is absolutely right, and it’s a sign of the times that speaking the truth is seen as some kind of shocking gamble. We were attacked by Islamic terrorists because of our support for tyrannical governments and our actions in the Middle East. That doesn’t mean it was our fault – Dr. Paul was giving a reason, not a justification.
Anyone who believes that we were attacked because “they hate our freedom†must believe in the tooth fairy. We need to get out of these imperial alliances and get back to basics – protecting Americans at home.
Bravo!!! long leaning democrat here…Mr. Ron Paul truly is a man who has the vision and foresight to bring America out of the mess we’re in both internationally and domestically. Please support this man financially, and spread the word to everyone you know.
Fox did a gang up on Ron Paul.
Did you noticed that every question before Paul’s discussion on America Policy and September 11 was on immigration.
In the spin room Hannity and Colmes gave a bye to the big 3 and then Hannity sadly predictably ganged up on Ron Paul
If they had Ron Paul on this there would once again be a discussion about Real ID and being forced in via the immigration issue.
Interesting how democrats debates feature gay rights questions and this rarely comes up in Republican debates.
Ron Paul has my vote. He is not a tap dancer or pussy footer. I know where he stands and his record does not belie his positions he presents in the debate forum.
Why does the big time media neglect, or fear, Ron Paul? Could it be that a honest and candid man is a anathema to or for them?
How odd it is to have an honest presidential candidate. It takes me back… way too far back. I cannot wait to show my support in the primaries.
I just sent Ron Paul 100.00 and I suggest others do the same. The all out attack on him by the media talking heads shows that he needs the peoples support more than ever. We are the only ones that he is going to get help from.
Hannity and Carl Cameron were so disappointed when the results came out that Paul won, I thought they would cry.
So they spent almost a solid hour trying to make it appear Ron Paul said something he didn’t say.
There is an old saying that goes ” …I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you.”
If you don’t want to hear the truth, then don’t ask Ron Paul the damned question!
woops, it is me again, and I find it is odd that so many people actually believe in the polls to begin with, they also must believe in the tooth fairy, most of the people that even pertisipate in them don`t vote. the problem we have is none of the individuals running for president in any of the parties have the ability to walk straight,while they try to chew “yum gum”, MAYBE IT IS TIME FOR A WRITE IN CANDIDATE AT LEAST NO AID IS WRITTING THEIR SCRIPT FOR THEM.
HA, HA,BIG JOKE ON BAD HAIR DAY, POOR RON. NOW MICHAEL I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOUR MONEY COMES FROM, (LIBERTARIAN) WHY NOT START A NEW PARTY LIKE THE (PATRIOTS). ANYWAY MOST PEOPLE WITH ANY SINCE AT ALL WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT 9/11 WAS A ATEMPT TO DISTROY OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM, BY HITTING THE CORE OF THE INDUSTROY, AT LEAST TO THEIR WAY OF THINKING AND
OUR WAY IS TO CREATE A SUBTERFUGE IN IRAQ TO DRAW THEM IN TO A LARGER FINANCIAL HUB THAT THEY WANT VERY BADDLY TO CONTROL. WITHOUT MONEY, WITHOUT POWER,——–ALL THE CANDIDATES ARE LOST, WHAT A BIG JOKE TH
AS FOR THE
woops, it is me again, and I find it is odd that so many people actually believe in the polls to begin with, they also must believe in the tooth fairy, most of the people that even pertisipate in them don`t vote. the problem we have is none of the individuals running for president in any of the parties have the ability to walk straight,while they try to chew “yum gum”, MAYBE IT IS TIME FOR A WRITE IN CANDIDATE AT LEAST NO AID IS WRITTING THEIR SCRIPT FOR THEM.
HA, HA,BIG JOKE ON BAD HAIR DAY, POOR RON. NOW MICHAEL I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOUR MONEY COMES FROM, (LIBERTARIAN) WHY NOT START A NEW PARTY LIKE THE (PATRIOTS). ANYWAY MOST PEOPLE WITH ANY SINCE AT ALL WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT 9/11 WAS A ATEMPT TO DISTROY OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM, BY HITTING THE CORE OF THE INDUSTROY, AT LEAST TO THEIR WAY OF THINKING AND
OUR WAY IS TO CREATE A SUBTERFUGE IN IRAQ TO DRAW THEM IN TO A LARGER FINANCIAL HUB THAT THEY WANT VERY BADDLY TO CONTROL. WITHOUT MONEY, WITHOUT POWER,——–ALL THE CANDIDATES ARE LOST, WHAT A BIG JOKE THIS ELECTION IS GOING TO BE. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR NEW PARTY, AMERICA IS CALLING JUST DAIL 911, ODD ABOUT THOSE NUMBERS THEY REALLY MEAN EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!!!!
SORRY SLIP OF THE FINGER, PUSHED BY MISTAKE
I worry about the really evil, evil CFR power elite behind Bush’s throne. Mr. Paul is taking an extreme personal risk putting himself into the crosshairs of those NWO international banker globalists who control this government and are currently on a fast track to establishing their fascist, Orwellian rule over the entire earth via SPP, NAU, and beyond.
They are probably wondering right now if it’s such a good idea to allow a maverick, Liberty-loving Constitutionalist to be planting the seeds of unorthodox thought into the minds of the mentally enslaved population that they have spent so much time and money brainwashing into amenability to their agenda.
Barack Obama, although not the kind of immediate threat to them that Ron Paul is, would also be well advised to watch his back very carefully. It would be much preferrable to have a mature and cynical bitch like
Hillary in the oval office, whose husband has already served them faithfully, than some idealistic youngster who, upon coming to a realization of who and what is really in control of this world’s destiny, might become sufficiently revolted and disgusted that he would start threatening to throw some wrenches into their plans.
Ron Paul has often been referred to as “The Constitutional Conscience of Congress”.
In other words, the voice they usually ignore, as they go about doing what they know is not permitted under their Constitutionally enumerated powers.
Wouldn’t it be a wonderful change if Congress knew it’s “Constitutional Conscience” now held the power to veto any and all legislation they sent that didn’t meet Constitutional muster?
(They wouldn’t know whether to sh!t or go blind…)
As a Canadian I have no vote but would be estatic to have such a fine neighbour as Dr.Paul
If it wasn’t illegal I’d send him money myself.
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It is so interesting to me that everything Fox News had there entire agenda setup from the stage setup all the way to the post interviews with H & C. Rudy was front and center on stage and also the first interview backstage. did anyone notice that they stuck RP on the far left side of the stage which is exactly where Fox thinks RP is positioned politically.
Fox are fundametalists, why even watch their network. It doesn’t contain anything but propaganda.
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I’ve already sent Ron Paul $100. I plan to send him an additional $200 later. (If you can afford to, sign the $200 pledge! If not, consider signing and passing around the $25 pledge.)
Make your contribution at Ron Paul’s official campaign web site and then visit us here at our unofficial site to find out what’s going on here in New Hampshire.
Ron Paul needs to get on the podcasts of his supports such as Alex Jones and Free Talk Live. Fire up the supporters!
I do think Paul made a fair point in his exchange with Giuliani, but Rudy will come out the victor, because it will be spun that he is tough on security while Paul is irrational and anti-America.
However, I think it’s a stretch to say that Paul’s is a serious contender based on these text/internet polls. If he has such broad support, why doesn’t it show in real world polling?
I stopped watching Fox News years ago. I thought Ron Paul is a godsend for our nation. The obvious hostility Dr. Paul recieved last night will only fuel the fire of liberty Dr. Paul has started. I hope he stays in the race all the way!
Andy: “If he has such broad support, why doesn’t it show in real world polling?”
2 reasons
A – Ron Paul has seldom been included in “real world” (read: Big Name) polling, or media coverage.
B – When Ron Paul’s name HAS been included in polling, people have had to say: “Ron Who?” (Due to reason A)
I quit watching NBC, CBS, and ABC when they all got caught either faking news stories, or trying to sway elections by unlawfully projecting winners in early polling, three hours before polls closed in California, Nevada, etc.
So I started watching Fox. But last night was the most astounding demonstration of an attempt to slander or libel (I am not sure of the correct legal term) Ron Paul, by attempting to make it appear he said something he CLEARLY DID NOT SAY. So I don’t know who to watch now. I didn’t like CBS wth Dan Rather acting as the chairman of the National Democrat Party each night, nor Ted Koppel, et al.
Now Hannity is just as bad, along with Carl Cameron claiming that “un-named sources” within the South Dakota Republican party were saying Ron Paul was D.O.A.
But I guess I can just flip around channels just to try and listen to anyone who will put Ron Paul on for a “Fair and Balanced” interview. It sure ain’t gonna be Hannity. He is about as fair as someone wanting to play Russian Roulette, but wants you to go first, after loading all six chambers of the pistol.
You know, my dad used to say, “Never trust anyone with two first names.” Food for thought.
Ron Paul has the voting record of strictly consitiutional while in the senate, what other candidates can say that? Rudy does not know anything about foreign policy and is just truly a liberal. I think he should take Ron Paul’s challenge of a debate on foreign policy. Paul would blow him out of the water. I am tired of watching the liberal media pushing the candidates they want in the forefront. When Paul gets momentum and a following the media will just shut him out.
“A – Ron Paul has seldom been included in “real world†(read: Big Name) polling, or media coverage.
B – When Ron Paul’s name HAS been included in polling, people have had to say: “Ron Who?†(Due to reason A)”
I agree with your point that most people don’t know who Ron Paul is, which is exactly why his victories in these online polls mean little by way of true support across the country.
C’mon, Sherry. Don’t blame this on the liberal media boogey man. Wouldn’t they want to support Paul, because he’s anti-Iraq?
If anything, the more conservative members of the media would be more anti-Paul than the liberal ones. Hannity was obviously upset with Paul last night and was not pleased that he was doing well in the FNC poll.
Superb article as usual!
Ron Paul makes a lot of sense on a lot of issues. It’s a shame, though, that he is antiabortion. He’s considers himself “prolife”, but that term encompasses much more than forcing a woman to bring a pregnancy to full term.
He is Pro-Life, but he doesn’t believe the federal government should restrict abortions. The states should decide. That way a woman only has to travel to state where it is legal to have her choice made…
That was the idea of federalism. With 50 different ideas of law and government in each state having purpose, it creats a market place of ideas… and with each state competing, those states with good ideas succeed and the other adapt to those things that work. Its natural and i think Ron Paul will bring balance back to the force..er, i mean to federalism.
Can’t wait for Ron Paul to become President!
I pray the media gives the man a chance.
There has not been a decent, SMART, honorable, sincere, moral, competent man in the White House for years!
Andy, the left wing media doesn’t want Ron Paul in, but not due to him being non-interventionist. They don’t want him in because of his stance on the “North American Partnership Agreement” which was the unconstitutional treaty “made” in August of 2005 by the Bush Administration (in direct defiance of Article II, Section II of the United States Constitution) to establish a “trilateral network of law enforcement for the protection of Judges and Officers” of the “North American Partnership”, or as the Dept. of Commerce likes to call it, the “Security and Prosperity Partnerhsip of North America”. (i.e., the agreement attempting to create a “North American Union” of Canada, Mexico, and the United States)
Dr. Paul realizes that Article II, Section II allows treaties to be “made” only with a two third majority Senate approval. (The SPP was created without a SINGLE congressional vote at all)
So the media doesn’t want Ron Paul to continue to try to dismantle the unconstitutional NAFTA superhighway, which includes the Trans Texas Corridor which nobody but President Bush, along with a company from Spain, and the heads of the Depts. of Commerce and Transportation seem to want.
Google up the following words “…U.S. House Con. Res. No. 40 of the 110th Congress” and read it. Sixteen other Congress Members have co-authored it with him. It is quite an interesting document.
This video I think explains fox quite litterary:
This video Outfoxed explains fox policies quite literrary I think. One can wonder if they are still at it’s same track record…
If you can’t afford to donate, click on a few links here and he gets the cash :D
What a difference it is reading the comments here versus the comments on one of the GOP hack web sites. There people are calling Ron Paul everything from anti-American to out right NUTZ. His campaign manager for many years basically said he will run against Ron Paul for his Congressional seat.
Here he is the next best thing since sliced bread. Myself, I lean much more to the latter.
I personally don’t plan to support any of those candidates, but I do respect Paul’s courage to stand by his beliefs even though they aren’t the norm in this field. I do think, however, it will be extremely tough for him to get the nomination. I just don’t think his libertarian ideology is the best fit for the Republican Party today.
For those who don’t understand the media it needs to be clear. The media has been controlled by others for years. Conspiracy theory? No! It is hinted at in none other then the Congressional record itself. Don’t believe me, go read about it yourself at
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I don’t want to get too much on religion BUT…..God honors truth, and liars are an abomination to Him.
Therefore, I think Ron Paul is in the very best of hands! Go get em’ Mr. Paul, truth will win in the end.
I also want to support him and I too sent in a $100 donation.
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Finally, a candidate that knows and believes in what the constitution actually says. If the founding fathers could vote in this election we can be certain that Ron Paul is the only candidate they would consider.
LOL at Obama worrying about the CFR. Obama’s wife is CFR…
That whole “debate” was nothing but a sham, an act of theater which was supposed to catapult Giuliani to the top. Cliff Kincaid wrote an article highlighting the conflict of interest and the whole thing stinks.
What a shame the whole thing was. The audience was mostly GOPAC:
On their homepage:
“We have reserved tickets for all GOPAC Charter Members to attend the debate in South Carolina. As a Charter Member, you will see the candidates first hand as they debate the issues in front of a world audience.”
The chairman of GOPAC is named Michael Steele, whom Giuliani campaigned for, and he is the one that declared Ron Paul to be “done” after the debate.
Gee, no wonder Giuliani got such a pop from the crowd. The whole thing was a sham. The media tells us we are crazy to believe that Ron Paul’s supporters are sophisticated haxxors makind a concentrated effort to spam polls but I’m supposed to believe that this “debate” was nothing but a farse?
Sorry about the last post. I realized after sending it this service stripped out the links. So let’s try it again. Hope it works.
For those who don’t understand the media it needs to be clear. The media has been controlled by others for years. Conspiracy theory? No! It is hinted at in none other then the Congressional record itself. Don’t believe me, go read about it yourself at
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He’s the best of the two-partide, I think Bush Jr is acting on the Zap Brannigan big book of war, and Guilliani might have watched The Family Guy on Sunday and realized they made fun of him before he responded to Paul. “Nine……Eleven…..” — Lois Griffin Rebuttle to Mayor West on Brian Griffin’s Management (Family Guy). It’s sad it’s like a sad old man revisiting his High School Sports Story every day with Guilliani acting like he was in the Building, maybe his Stock Broker was, but I don’t think he was; then again that might be sadder to the old oligarchist; “Ohhhhh, the Hegemony!” Pointing out his Commissioner, didn’t he get caught in some bad shit? He was considered too bad for violating the Constitution as a DHS head…..I think that’s him.
Anyway, yeah, someone has to say this out there; even if he’s a Buchanan or Keyes among them.
For sure, the media will do everything they can to belittle Ron Paul because he can change the course of history that USA is going.
So what do one do? Well I for one would start making signs as a part of the Ron Paul Revolution, talk with the neighbours and donate some money. Money isn’t the most important thing though, support and new people to discover Ron Paul is the most important objective.
Just anther point: has him as number one, abive Hunter with the second best record.
Just anther point: This GOA, has him as number one, above Hunter with the second best record.
I hope he survives long enough to make some changes. I do support his effort.
Typically, I loath politicians, but this one I like.
Dr. Ron paul is incredible. I’ve never voted republican,
but that will change in the case of Dr. Paul.
Never, say never.
I’m going to the Ron Paul Campaign fund raiser this weekend in Austin Tx… hope you Austinites show up for support.
Seriously, we need a doctor in the house…the white house.
Vote,Ron Paul.
I don’t know if this is factual, but the message below was sent to me by someone and I’d like to be sure Mr. Anuzis is NOT doing what the message below is saying. Below the message is a link to a petition I signed )which has now over six thousand signatures) so I think there may be a possiblity that this is factual:
Saul Anuzis, chairman of the Michigan Republican Party says wants to to bar Texas congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) from future GOP presidential debates. Anuzis intends to circulate a petition among Republican National Committee members, debate sponsors and broadcasters to keep Paul out of debates.
. Anuzis was angered by remarks made two days ago, in the second Republican debate, when Paul (R-TX) claimed that U.S . provocations in Iraq contributed to the current “war on terror” The remarks proved controversial, drawing immediate criticism came from former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani who rebutted Paul’s remarks during the debate. Since then, the remarks have drawn both fire and praise from various groups.
Please Call Saul’s office at 1-517-487-5413 and complain to him or his secretary.Also, everyone should sign Dena Turner’s petition online to keep Ron in the debates.
What man can bring over 4000 babies into this world like Dr Paul has and be pro abortion. It is not possible if the man has half a conscious. The fact is to me that this man deserves the respect that an elder statesman deserves. He has more political experience than the read of the Republican field combined.
I have not voted for President in the past because I did not feel I was not represented but with Ron Paul I am and I am going to register to vote as a Republican for him in the primaries. The GOP needs to wake up. If they think the US population is a bunch of blood thirsty Armageddonist Neo-Cons that do not want to think for themselves they have another think coming.
Ron Paul is a 5-star patriot according to the Globalism Scorecard:
Some Daily Kos article on him and Buchanan Org article with a YouTube Video on it.
Hopefully fox news will accidentally report this as real news so Ron Paul can finally start getting some MSM coverage!!
There is a petition going around to ban Ron Paul from further debates.
There is also a petition to stop that ban. The site is here:
Please go there and stop these people from banning the truth.
NH, yes there is a petition to ban Ron Paul from debates and, I too, signed the one to keep him in.
If I can get this to work this is the link:
Keep Ron Paul in the debates
If you want a leader that will lead by his emotions, Guliani is your man.
If you want a leader that will be objective and lead by the facts, Ron Paul. Regardless of whether you agree with all of his ideas, by supporting him, it’s also making a stand to say that we want politicians that will tell us the truth, because we’re tired of big Washington games.
Ron Paul is now being spoken of as one who knows what he is talking about and on Foxnews.com of all places!
There’s no place to go but forward and onward!
Ron Paul has gained support, from people as diverse as Pat Buchanan, Rosie O’Donnell, Joy Behar, Andrew Sullivan, etc.
Most importantly, he has gained the support of Michael Scheuer, who started the CIA’s bin Laden unit and headed it for many years. He wrote a letter saying that Ron Paul is totally right and is the only one who knows what this country is facing.
“Last week, Representative Paul did all Americans an immense service by simply pointing out the obvious: Our Islamist enemies do not give a damn about the way we vote, think, or live. Though any country they ruled would surely not look like ours, they are motivated by the belief that U.S. foreign policy is an attack on Islam, its lands, and its believers.”
“Of the eighteen presidential candidates now in the field from both parties, only Mr. Paul has had the courage to square with the average American voter. We are indeed hated and being warred against because we are “over there,” and not for what we are and how we live. Our failure to recognize the truth spoken by Mr. Paul – and spelled out for us in hundreds of pages of statements by Osama bin Laden since 1996 – is leading America toward military and economic disaster.”
“And no matter how you view Mr. Paul’s words, you can safely take one thing to the bank. The person most shaken by Mr. Paul’s frankness was Osama bin Laden, who knows that the current status quo in U.S. foreign policy toward the Islamic world is al-Qaeda’s one indispensable ally, and the only glue that provides cohesion between and among the diverse and often fractious Islamist groups that follow its banner.”
Ron Paul scores highly on the Globalism Scorecard.
Well, since the government stenographers and lapdogs wont help us, we will have to act like real Americans. We will have to help ourselves. Tell everyone. Tell them calmly and rationally, looking like nutjobs doesnt help us. Use the facts about Dr. Paul’s record, use the Constitution of the United States of America. Make them understand that true patriots support the only candidate with true constituonal credentials. Ron
Paul 2008. Thank goodness we finally have a real American candidate.
Dear Alone in Paradise:
Regarding the advice to use the Constitution, I agree with you. Problem is, the folks in the Senate and U.S. House (and unfortunately all too often Civil Law Enforcement officers) will swear or affirm an oath to Preserve, Protect, and Defend the Constitution of the United States, and not have once read the damn thing, much less understand or intend to “preserve” it, as they spend almost 24/7 VIOLATING it.
Our job, is to work toward removal of people from any and all offices (lawfully) who do not faithfully live up to their oath or affirmation.
For instance, take this current so called President of the United States. He instigates the “making” of a treaty in August of 2005 with Mexico and Canada, without a SINGLE vote in Congress, to usurp the powers of Article I, Section VIII from the Congress, and hand them over to the “working groups” of an unconstitutional cabal recently named the “Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America”.
Now when you read Article II, Section II, it says the president can only “make” a treaty with a foreign power, with a majority approval in the Senate. Not one vote was cast. Regardless, instead of impeaching Bush for that blatant violation of the most Supreme law of the land, the Senators in the U.S. Senate are currently IGNORING it, and now that they are caught and are hearing from the People, they are going to “back door” approve it by way of the current Immigration Sellout Bill which authorizes the “acceleration of the Security and Prosperity” treaty.
The reason CBS, NBC, Fox News, MSNBC, and every other media outlet is trying to bury Ron Paul by reporting things that he NEVER SAID, is because they know he will address that issue if allowed to continue in the next debate. They are scared of him being allowed to educate the “American Idol” watchers if they accidently find out how our system of government is being usurped by people within the Government.
Is it me or did he say that trade with China was a good thing as a counter argument to the war in Iraq.
Oddly enough still called an isolationist by Rick Sanchez.
How is he going to keep pitchfork interest with a fondness for Maoism?
It’s not too surprising the moment someone starts looking good, you just have to expect they’ll step in something at some point.
Did anyone else notice that the audience started to cheer for Ron Paul for a brief second before Rudy started on his ignorant rant?
Golok:
All he said was he preferred trade over war.
He didn’t say he wanted to initiate an unconstitutional treaty with them, or form some type of George Bush “Partnership”.
He just said trade. Not surrender to the NWO.
Sadly Dr Paul won’t be allowed to win, the 1.5 party system must protect itself.
I’m still voting for him…
Sean, that defeatist attitude is what the Globalists such as Senator Mitch McConnell count on. Don’t accept the notion that Dr. Paul cannot win.
Think back to the asinine manner in which Sean Hannity and the little pencil necked Carl Cameron of Fox News Channel did their best for over an hour to misquote and obfuscate what Ron Paul actually said in the debate, and then consider how astoundedly and deservedly STUPID Hannity looked when he read the totals of the thousands of text messages sent DESPITE the Fox News Channel’s efforts to try to sway those people voting in their own damned poll!
Fox was telling everyone that Paul was OUT of the running, while having to report at the same time, that Paul had WON the second debate also, based upon their own numbers.
Granted, Sean Hannity continued to state that Dr. Paul’s votes in the TAMPER PROOF poll were “skewed” but he still looked rather ridiculous trying to push that ridiculous claim.
Don’t let the old claim (that a Patriot can’t win the Presidential election because of the “system”) get repeated and repeated without challenge. He can, and WILL win if the American public doesn’t buy the lie that Dr. Paul “can’t win” because he isn’t a NeoCon Globalist.
thanks Jared, i just sent the following letter to the list you supplied:
To whom it may concern:
I would love to see a good indepth interview with Dr Ron Paul – one which gives him adequate time to state and adequately expound upon all his views. No hatchet jobs, no time-slanted “debates”, just get him on, let him have his say, and let the people decide what they think.
For the record, I’m a registered Democrat and am actually switching my registration so i can support Dr Paul in the Republican primary. I’m 45 years old and he’s the only candidate in my rny entire lifetime that actually appears to value the Constitution and the principles our country claims to represent. I’m Republican (ie: small government) in ideology but have voted Democrat only because the Republican party has become so corrupted by fasicst ideologues in conservative guise it’s no longer worthy of the name.
And please don’t mention that freedom-hating, drug-warring, machinegun-grabbing, fascist-supporting, corporate puppet Reagan in the same breath as this Patriotic man – i just had dinner.
(my name and town)
Dear Susan 28:
I noticed your comment and want to point out that Ron Paul himself mentioned Ronald Reagan during the last debate, so I guess you didn’t see or listen to the entire debate.
In fact, Dr. Paul stated the fact that what America needs right now, is “…another Ronald Regean” when it comes to foriegn policy.
Seems Regean was the first to realize you cannot win a war with Islaamic Extremists unless you are willing to be as viscious as they are. And Reagan wasn’t. So that is why he pulled the U.S. Marines out of Lebanon back in the 1980.s after they attacked and killed 170 sleeping Marines in their beds with a truck bomb delivered by a person who was willing to commit murder and suicide, based upon the mere fact that the Marines were sleeping on the “Holy” sand which has been fought over for the past 2,000 years.
Seems that dumb old Regean was smart enough to know that if the entire population of a “country” is dedicated to either killing you or to dying while attempting to kill you, then that population’s version of “freedom” might not be worth getting your people killed over.
So Regean ordered the military out of Lebanon. Dr, Paul advocated the same policy be followed in Iraq, and that is when Wendall Goler of Fox News, and Rudy (a.k.a. “I enjoy being a girl”) Guliani used the opportunity to claim Dr. Paul had said something totally different than what he actually said, and declared his candidacy dead on arrival.
Regean’s candidacy was declared the same several times when running for Governor of California, and for the Presidency. But people saw past the Left wing Socialist Party which passed for the “News Media” of that time, and elected him in landslide elections each time.
I predict if Dr. Paul is ever given a fair platform to present his case for foreign policy, he will also be elected in a landslide. (That is why Fox and MSNBC, etc. all misrepresented what Dr. Paul said, and what the instant messaging tamper proof poll numbers said right after the debate)
If you hate Reagan, you won’t much care for Dr. Paul in the long run.
If any of you have seen James Stewart in the film “Mr Smith Goes to Washington”, then Ron Paul would be that character. A lot older and wiser though, but still sincere; passionate and truthful.
That is why his words resonate with the on-line masses and exactly why the MSM is trying so hard to suppress his message to stop it spreading, (just like in the movie). The only problem there is that the suppression is only working to wake people up to this injustice. Mainly because Mr Ron Paul is Sincere; Passionate and TRUTHFUL, (unlike his peers running for office).
Ron Paul is probably our last great hope to guide our country back to the reality our forefathers wanted. I thought your write-up was very good, however I have one SERIOUS problem. “This is kind of like saying that the Church of Scientology represents all of Christendom”
To be part of “Christendom” one needs to claim to be a Christian or at least be a follower and avid student of Christ and the ways he taught us. To compare a “religion” written up by a sci-fi writer that tells us that we all have bad spirits that were dropped off into volcanos by aliens, isn’t even close to Christ-like. That’s way to off base to put into a story like this. Where exactly is Christ in scientology’s story of Gods loving Grace?
I look at it this way, OJ would be in prison right now getting ramrodded by bubba if some jackass cop didn’t plant evidence that didn’t need to be planted. Keep to the FACTS, and don’t smear your own writing by making comparisons that are complete and utter nonsense.
Fixer, Here’s two first names for you: Benjamin Franklin.
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