U.S. marshals in New Hampshire have made plans to arrest convicted tax protesters Ed and Elaine Brown of Plainfield, along with their supporters, according to an anonymous Justice Department source who also threatened this author with jail.
“Anyone who is going to carry out plans killing officers, agents, and government persons after Ed is arrested is in way over their head,” said the message, which was routed through a proxy server in a failed attempt to obscure its source. “If you continue to pursue these threats, you along with several of your fellow Ed supporters are going to jail. Ed is a convicted felon and several more are going to be rounded up in their stupity [sic].”
Ed and Elaine Brown stopped attending their tax evasion trial in January saying they could not receive a fair trial. They were convicted and sentenced in absentia to 63 months in prison each for various charges of tax evasion and money laundering. Since that time, the couple have remained in their home and vowed to resist with deadly force anyone who attempts to seize them and take them to prison.
Two weeks ago, I said here that while I don’t believe that shooting federal agents is the appropriate thing to do at this time, I support those who would challenge the income tax laws as they amount to nothing more than theft and slavery, and can never be legitimate, no matter how many judges agree.
How some desk jockey at the Department of Justice confused this with a threat of violence, I can’t tell.
Anyway, if you are an Ed Brown supporter, put your affairs in order. They’re probably going to try to take you away, too, whether you have made any threats of violence or not.
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Lauren Canario
Jun 27, 2007
Ha Ha!
You have them running scared, Michael. They know you can out-keyboard them all and see you as a threat.
True Mr. Hampton has a formidable presence of omniscience online, but he really isn’t the bureaucrat assassin type.
V
Jun 27, 2007
Michael, ask them to show you the law!
Put out or shut the hell up already with this make believe law that is not!
They are scared stiff and going poopy all over themselves otherwise they would have gone in the Browns already.
HAHAHAHA! WUSSIES got BUSTED on Browns land with 2 counts of attempted murder and assault with deadly force already!
And please dont think that will ever go away or forgotten!
They may want to leave their jobs asap because they are knowingly and willingly engaging in alot of criminal activity!
We are watching you watch some of us!
We know who YOU are but you have no clue who all WE are!
Norm
Jun 27, 2007
I guess the answer is to stay clear of “stupity” so as to not get, you know, rounded up in it.
Dissent
Jun 27, 2007
Let’s review: we’ve got a VP who thinks that Executive Orders don’t apply to him, we’ve got an AG who turns a blind eye to the executive’s illegal domestic surveillance program and the VP’s “breathtaking act of arrogance” in defying an executive order, and someone from the DOJ is threatening you with jail because you expressed your support for Ed and Elaine Brown?
Sheesh.
If you land up blogging from jail, should we expect to see a new blog called “Homeland Stupity?”
Tyler Moore
Jun 27, 2007
I keep waiting for a visit anyways.
I dare them to attempt to round us all up.
Ian
Jun 27, 2007
Govt. law is bullshit, V. Only delusional men with guns are real…
Tyler Moore
Jun 28, 2007
Agree with Ian!
Law and order
Jun 28, 2007
Not everyone agrees on the law so, they take them to court. It is important to stand up for what you believe in and protect your rights. That is why we have the Judicial system but, that does not mean it is’nt corrupt. Looking through this sight you can see what the truth is. This is a great sight. Thanks for informing the public. People need to know about all the Gangster law enforcement crap going on so, they can do thier best to protect themselves against true crime.
Bob
Jun 28, 2007
I have seen no threats here, or anything that could even be construed as a threat. So I’d bet, based on the sheer “stupity” of the message, that it came from somebody who works at the DOJ, but has no ability whatsoever to do anything to anyone. Truth is, it could be coming from anybody who works in a DOJ office, including receptionists and secretaries. Some of those people let their little government job go to their head, and as a result they like to go onto the internet and pretend to be someone important at the DOJ.
Believe me, if it came from somebody who actually knew what was going on in that standoff …. well, it wouldn’t have come from someone in that position, because they have far more important things to do than harass bloggers by sending illiterate threats. People in a position of authority with the DOJ don’t make threats over the internet. If the DOJ really wanted to arrest you, or anyone else, they’d just do it.
So turn it in to the DOJ as a citizen complaint concerning a threat coming from one of their employees. I’m quite sure they won’t appreciate their employees stirring up this situation even more than it already is. In fact, if they can figure out who sent it, that person will probably get fired. So you should consider the act of turning it over to the DOJ, as a citizen complaint, to be a public service.
Slim
Jun 28, 2007
Michael, If they take you away I would support you also. The big if is will they give you a public trial or will you be labeled a “Terrorist” and be taken away to the gulag oops I mean Guantanamo bay. We all know that being labeled a “Terrorist” means that you are too dangerous that even communication with a lawyer could allow for the infection to spread throughout the entire world.
Verbos
Jun 28, 2007
Micheal, I know we argue but I think your ‘are’ a true patriot. I know of no threats that you have made in the time I have been here. You have always spoke the truth as you saw it. Hold to your principles and be a free man. You can be sure where I stand.
Potential Threat
Jun 28, 2007
Come on, really… Common sense (remember common sense?) would dictate that whoever wrote that email speaks for the DoJ about as much High Pitch Eric speaks for Sirius Satellite Radio.
–Po
Nonya
Jun 28, 2007
I wouldnt be concerned. I personally talked with Prozzo (Sherriff) and he said the US marshals will not take Ed and ELaine with force.
My concerns were due to my family being there over the 4th (at the BBQ) in support of their stand.
I dont condone violence at all, but I do condone self defense. And if they cannot get a fairl trial, they cannot show the law, then leave them alone. If they attack on orders from the powers that be, they each have a obligation to an oath they took before doing so.
As a corporation, are they setting a precedent that we must adhere to a collective system where if it is expected you must do it?
If not, jail or death?
So when I decide to stop doing business with Lowes, who expects it as a corp, and I get people to follow, then I must be breaking some federal law.
Give me a break!
Lets talk about structuring, if any of you has looked it up you would find that we are all guilty of structuring.
If you choose to stop using your cc or debit card to make a purchase at Walmart, that is structuring per the law.
Im sick of it, and I dont want to be a part of it anymore.
Which planet or country can I go to to get away from the imperalist ideology of this country?
Im glad to say that the ignorant in this country that believe in the BS being fed to them, are dying off in age.
When the old is less in numbers, only then will new views be appreciated.
Tim
Jun 28, 2007
Did you know…
Google News considers Homeland Stupidity to be satire (yup, just like The Onion).
From an “Ed Brown” search on google news:
“DOJ: Ed Brown supporters will be “rounded up”
Homeland Stupidity (satire), DC – Jun 27, 2007″
They try to marginalize liberty minded folk anyway they can. Shit, even the second link on google news says “Presidential _hopeful_ Ron Paul…”
FIGHT THE DOUBLESPEAK.
Michael Hampton
Jun 28, 2007
Oh, I do satire on occasion, but feel free to complain to Google that the site shouldn’t be classified as satire anyway. :)
Joe
Jun 28, 2007
Good day all,
As someone with some experience with tax law, I can assure you that the IRS has a body of court cases that support the existence of an Federal income tax, the right to collect that tax, and the definition of what is “income”. Rather than asking for “the law” that gives the govt the right to collect taxes, they should be asking for all of the laws that support the process. Every aspect of the tax law had been challenged and upheld.
Challenges to the doubters:
1) Look at the Americans that pay the most in taxes and the resources they have available to go to court. Why aren’t they contesting? At the worst, they would pay what they owe anyway. Stables of lawyers, but they pay their taxes.
2) Do some research on the alternatives. Projections put a national sales tax at 35% if it is supposed to replace the current tax revenue. That’s gas and milk going to $4 a gallon instantly. Griping is easy. Finding answers takes real work.
3) For the rest of the day, try to recognize the vast amount of things our tax dollars pay for. Utilities working? Roads paved? Have a mail box? Police protection? Use the regulated airwaves in any form? Is your food safe? Your water? Can someone sell you a product that is so poorly built that it may kill you? Breathable air? The list is long. This is the part where a person takes one thing from the list (“My house is protected by Smith and Wesson!”)and selectively ignores the rest.
If this is the greatest country in the world, some part of that is a result of taxation.
David
Jun 28, 2007
Is there a way to let the DOJ know that I support Ed and Elaine. Being rounded up by goverment thugs would put me in good company, historically speaking. I want to be rounded up too.
american_patriot
Jun 29, 2007
Dear Forumn,
If I were you all I would take these threats of arrest lightly. It is very stupid and not to mention damaging to the cause of the tax honesty movement to make threats against officails and I am totally and completely against any such idiotic behavior. Guys under current anti-terrorism laws they can declare anyone they arrest as enemy combatants and declared terrorists and you disappear and you get detained for probably the rest of your life. I believe that the Browns are right about the tax issue but I think that it is immoral to make threats against other people and I think we can change system by going through the courts and exvcercising our Constitutional rights as American citicizens and by working with our elected representatives. As a Christian I could never condone threats or violence against another human being
american_patriot
Jun 29, 2007
Joe I do not have much time so I will only address #3 of our comment.
Utilities: All private companies where I live and we do not have the same problems that other parts of the country have regarding goverment controled utilities.
Roads paved: Property taxes and gasoline taxes pay for all this not the income tax. Don’t worry it is a common mistake.
Water: See Utilties above.
Mail: Would be much better handled by private business. When was the last time FedEx lost one of your parcels? When was the last time the US Post Office did?
Breathable air: Tell that to the workers that worked the World Trade Center after the collapse. They may laugh at you or might just smack you.
Whoops forgot police protection: This is not the type of protection I want or am asking for. In many many cases the police are very bad and far more dangerous to me personally then a would be criminal. See no-knock raids, ect all.
Also, if I came up to you and stole $20.00 from you I would be a bad man, right? Why is it okay for the organized crime family called Goverment to do the same thing?
Threats
Jun 29, 2007
The only threats that hold up in a court of law are spoken ones. Never forget that. It’s what you say that can put you away not what your write. The person who is running this sight is obviously very intelligent and that is very admirable. Thanks for running it. You are wonderful.
Joe
Jun 29, 2007
All good points American Patriot, but exceptions don’t make the rule. I really don’t understand the anger over this issue. Is it income taxes specifically or taxes over all? Does anyone on this board believe that the country can run without taxing the citizens? Is it the method everyone dislikes? Why isn’t everyone complaining about liquor and cigarette taxes?
I still contend that the benefits available to the citizens of this fine country far outweigh the costs paid by the common citizen. I was hoping that people would go beyond the specifics of my list and see that point. I look around and see a country that takes care a very high percentage of its citizens at very low cost to themselves. If you think most patriotic Americans can review the last 6 months of their life and see that they are getting less out of their tax dollars than they put in, attempting dramatic change makes sense. I am completely against the “America: Love it or Leave it” philosophy.
I ask again for solutions. I ask for an example of any nation that offers as much as ours does that doesn’t have an income tax. Can I qualify that and say that countries with dramatic natural resourse advantages, like Saudi Arabia shouldn’t count, or do we consider their system a viable option of Americans?
Leaving the question of the tax butrden for another post.
David
Jun 29, 2007
American_Patriot – for some reason your name was used for my post about the reply to Joe. Not sure why it did that, more then likely it was user error. Sorry.
I would never be foolish enough to threaten these thugs. But if they want to group me in with Ed and Elaine Brown, I would take it as a compliment. Government thugs have been rounding up people they don’t like for years for many reasons. Yes, they have the ability and many guns to do what they want including throwing people into gulags never to be seen or heard from again. If that were to happen to me I would have but one regret; “that I have but one life to give for liberty”.
David
Jun 29, 2007
Joe – for some reason the american_patriot name was used when I posted a reply to your post.
I do have a solution for you that fits every aspect when it comes to taxes and government. What ever the government attempts to do (there is not once instance the government ever did anything that could be called successful in my view) the free market can do far better. Go ahead and think of one thing that you believe only the government can do and I would be happy to explain why the free market can do it better.
Also, believe me as a life time smoker and drinker I have many issues with sin taxes.
Ray
Jun 29, 2007
The message “was routed through a proxy server in a failed attempt to obscure its source”.
So, can we see the source? Can we see come actual IP
addresses?
How are we supposed to know this actually came from the
Justice Department?
gabe Harris
Jun 29, 2007
The tax code is what is criminal. Even if you agree with every single government expenditure(which any sane person couldn’t), you’d have to admit that a 20,000 page code that creates an estimated $500 billion compliance cost(THIS is 100% DEADWEIGHT loss) is absolutely criminal. Especially when the only reason we have such a complicted tax code is because it benefits the politicians who love to cut up and parcel otu little sections of tax code that beenfit contributors. YES EVRY SINGLE POLITICIAN IN DC will tell you in private that the US TAX code is quid pro quo bought and paid for….the people’s tax code is sold at retail prices by our criminal politicians….any human who enforces this tyrannical tax code is complicit in criminal activty as well.
The IRS then prosecutes people on a guilty-until-proven- innocent basis…the opposite principle of what this country was foudned on.
So you appologist for the jack booted thugs don’t lecture us about highways being paid for with taxes….that is besides the point. There are fundamental problems with the tax code that need to be fixed.
Ron Paul 2008!
Michael Hampton
Jun 29, 2007
Ray, that’s why I get paid the big bucks. Sorry, but I won’t give up my sources, even if they are evil bureaucrats who deserve to lose their jobs.
Gabe Harris
Jun 29, 2007
Joe….america has a hell of a lot of natural resources itself….check out our natural gas, oil, coal, lumber, precious metals production stats….does that mean we should nationalize it? no just wanted to point out that it is really irrelevant.
Yes the income tax and FICA and self-employment taxes are the worst, because it is the most invasive and when they are combined together they are extremely regressive taxes(this means they charge the poor a bigger percentage than the rich in many cases). The income tax rates do decrese with income, and that is why most don’t understand the regressive nature of the system….but when you count in the various common deductions and understand how the FICA- self-employment and SS tax works…the system is very regressive.
Bottom line…guilty until proven innocent is NOT an acceptable form of taxation. Now throw in the fact that the majority of government spending is a complete waste of money….from the huge buildings that house the Department of Education and the genreal services admninistration to the 1000+ military bases around the world ….why do we need 40000 troops in germany? don’t you think germany can defend itself? how many billion dolalrs is that? what about the terrorist creation program we have in Iraq? do you think I was happy about those terrorists camps we created in the mid-east when my friends int eh WTC were killed?
what about the drug war and the millions of lives ruined in south america due to mindless governemtn created violence and the crime created int his country….what about the horrible governemtn controlled schools in our inner cities that are breeding grounds for criminal activity.
Yes we love America and we love the principles that made us a the great coutnr we are, but when we have the canacerous growth of a beuracracy that is destroying the country we need to get things fixed….we need to protect privte property and allow provate citizens to keep more of their earnings, educate their children, engage in free trade. At the same time we need the millions of parasites who have become dependent on milking the common man of his tax money thorugh government jobs, lawyering ridiculous cases or lobbying there way into some bigger piece of the governments next boondoggle…..we need these paraiste to be thrown out of work and to join the productive protion of this society. Many of us to get voluntary customers to pay for our work instead forcing people to buy our services at gunpoint!
I know lawyers and accountants don’t want a simpler tax code, because then they’d have to learn a useful skill, but damnit the current system ain’t right JOE!
Anonymous
Jun 29, 2007
Mike, be very what you say to this Ray guy. He’s been in several other sites bashing people who actually are doing something to support Ed and Elaine Brown. In fact, he’s gone so far as to claim he is Christ. I think he’s a throwback from David Koresh! Could be a spy as well! Reveal nothing to him!
Tyler Moore
Jun 30, 2007
Ja, Ray is a nutcase and for some reason Fred Smart gives him air time on the QFFT blog.
Mr. Karczewski should read the verses in the Bible about “anti-Christ”…
Davy C Rockett
Jul 01, 2007
I support the Brown’s, solely because there so called trial was illegal. Study the case. The nutcases are running the asylum and doing whatever they want regardless of the Rule of Law.
Paying taxes is not the problem, it’s the wreckless unconstitutional spending(breaking the rule of law)by our politicians that is the real urgent crime problem we have here.
Nobody minds paying their fair share. In fact the Browns have paid more taxes than most people on this post, seeing how the Browns are self made millionaires.
Who wants an IRS who totes around paramiltiaristic weapontry.
Not me. Who wants a tax system based on your labor. Not me.
Federal income tax only serves right now to pay interest on national debt.
It’s not the minority of tax evaders that’s the problem, it’s the spending by ungodly and unlawful leaders that is our biggest threat in AQmerica.
Put the heat on the politicians where it belongs, not decent people like the Browns.
frank benjamin
Jul 01, 2007
for another example of a “fair” proceeding, look to the following:
so far, the IRS has refunded MILLIONS to filers of properly documented returns.
“ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free”
“Knowledge is power”
Gary
Jul 01, 2007
I thought it was ridiculous at first when I heard that there was no law saying income tax wasn’t mandatory. But after about 20 hours of exhaustive research in the Internal Revenue Code, I’m now convinced.
In looking at the case law on this, it is ridiculous how flimsy the cases are and the obvious collusion between the judicial system and the IRS. In a lot of these cases, the protestors have letters to congressmen asking them politely to remedy the language in the Internal Revenue Code. When they get lame responses from their representatives, they sometimes don’t pay the taxes for strictly civil disobedience reasons to get the law clarified. They freely say they will pay the taxes as long as the legislative branch does its job and addresses their legitimate gripe about the piss poor language in the Code. It makes you wonder why our representatives can’t just fix it instead of using words like “frivolous” and “ridiculous” as to the legitimacy of the protestor’s claim that either the wording needs to be corrected or the fact that the law is of itself unconstitutional
frank benjamin
Jul 01, 2007
the hyperlink did not come through on post #31
let’s try again:
frank benjamin
Jul 01, 2007
OK three strikes and you’re out
this html stuff ain’t do easy
here is a very good explanation of what IRS doesn’t want you to know about
look here
tax truth
and for the refunds info check here
money back
Jim
Jul 02, 2007
first up,
to get elected in this country you need a secret society,
secret societies are ran by devils….
FIAT means people must die,
but you will always have monies….
takes a lot of death to remove FIAT once in place…
and all the politicians know this and are very scared…
so they sacrifice soldiers to appease FIAT…
ED and Elaine now face FIAT and say not us
pray GOD finds them
HE has Risen
Joe
Jul 02, 2007
Good day all,
As a CPA, I can assure you that we want the tax code changed. Heck, everyone wants the tax code changed. The problem is that we all want it changed in our favor and we have different goals. I re-read some of the Federalist Papers #10 this weekend. Amazing how the issues stand up.
The Union exists as safeguard against Domestic Faction and Insurrection. And it does so quite well. If you can come up with a better solution than Pres. Madison, please feel free to elaborate.
So the challenge continues. Can you offer a solution to the Human problem of greed in a society of varied resources and varied means? How do those that cannot do for themselves get care? So many of these posts seem to advocate Anarchy. Do you really think that is the answer?
Be well and stay safe all.
Joe
Jul 02, 2007
A Link that the Hendricksons don’t want you to read. Why do they sell this info? If it’s correct, it should be freely given to all Americans. To withhold it is the greatest form of corruption.
Or maybe they just need a buck.
Tom Brook
Jul 04, 2007
Article V of the U.S. Constitution specifies the ratification process, and requires 3/4 of the States to ratify any amendment proposed by Congress.There were 48 States in the American Union in 1913, meaning that affirmative action of 36 states was required for ratification. In February, 1913, Secretary of State Philander Knox issued a proclamation claiming that 38 states had ratified the amendment. National Archives in Washington, DC : 16 page memorandum from the Solicitor of the Department of State, whose duty is the provision of legal opinions for the use of the Secretary of State. In this memorandum sent to the Secretary of State, the Solicitor of the Department of State lists the many errors he found in the ratification process!
The 4 states listed below are among the 38 states that Philander Knox claimed ratification from. * The Kentucky Senate voted upon the resolution, but rejected it by a vote of 9 in favor and 22 opposed. * The Oklahoma Senate amended the language of the 16th Amendment to have a precisely opposite meaning. * The California legislative assembly never recorded any vote upon any proposal to adopt the amendment proposed by Congress. * The State of Minnesota sent nothing to the Secretary of State in Washington. *33 states engaged in the unauthorized activity of amending the language of the amendment proposed by congress, a power the states do not possess. Since 36 states were needed for ratification, the failure of 13 to ratify would be fatal to the amendment, and this occurs within the major (first three) defects tabulated in Defects in Ratification of the 16th Amendment. Even if we were to ignore defects of spelling, capitalization, and punctuation, we would still have only 2 states which successfully ratified.
The IRS believes, & in turn has convinced us, that the 16th Amendment is the law that allows them to tax earnings. That seems perfectly reasonable given the language of the Amendment. The simple explaination is in what it doesn’t do, rather than what it does do. 1. It does not permit any taxation on the income itself. 2. It doesn’t create any new power to tax outside of what was allowed by our Constitution. 3. It doesn’t change the Constitution in any way, (direct tax must still be apportioned, or shared by the states), as stated in the Constitution. A direct tax is one on property, versus activities. For a complete explaination of this, go to & click on “Where Is The Income Tax Law”. The point that is made here is that the term income tax as is stated in the 16th Amendment & the Revenue Code, is misrepresented. The Supreme Court ruled in an 1895 case that the income tax contained in the Tariff act of 1894 was unconstitutional because it was a direct tax & not apportioned. The 16th Amendment simply added the protection of making the income tax forever an excise tax that would not have to be apportioned. According to the court, the Amendment was to take the income tax out of consideration as a direct tax in keeping with our Constitution.
The sales tax is on the privilege of selling at retail, & not on the income. Legally, the name of the tax means nothing. What is the subject of the tax? That’s the test. The retail sales tax is a legal income tax. It is an excise tax paid by the seller for the privilege of selling at retail. Could other businesses & professions be taxed this way, & pass it on to the end user? Yes, governments have always been able to impose excise taxes. The trouble being, that if the tax were too high the People would stop buying the things that were taxed. The income tax got around that problem but it was struck down as unconstitutional. The IRS & Franchise Tax Board now intimidate, extort & bully the People to pay a tax they don’t owe
you want the real story of browns watch
Dick
Jul 07, 2007
Chief Justice John Marshall wrote the following in “American Insurance Co. v. 356 Bales of Cotton”…It is self explanatory and defines the United States District courts with precision.
“These Courts, then, are not constitutional Courts, in which the judicial power conferred by the Constitution on the general government, can be deposited. They are incapable of receiving it. They are legislative Courts, created in virtue of the general right of sovereignty which exists in the government, or in virtue of that clause which enables Congress to make all needful rules and regulations, respecting the territory belonging to the United States. The jurisdiction with which they are invested, is not a part of that judicial power which is defined in the 3d article of the Constitution, but is conferred by Congress, in the execution of those general powers which that body possesses over the territories of the United States. Although admiralty jurisdiction can be exercised in the states in those Courts, only, which are established in pursuance of the 3d article of the Constitution; the same limitation does not extend to the territories. In legislating for them, Congress exercises the combined powers of the general, and of a state government.”
The Governor, Attorney General Kelly Ayotte, County Attorney Dan St Hillaire, Sheriff Scott Hilliard, all should be presenting Mr. McAuliffe affidavits demanding his response to the jurisdictional challenges that justice requires. Failure to do so would appear to be knowing, willing and intentional obstruction of justice.
Mitchell Mathews
Jul 08, 2007
You’re an idiot.
You said, “How some desk jockey at the Department of Justice confused this with a threat of violence, I can’t tell.”
Ed Brown said, “We either walk out of here free or we die,” (with Randy Weaver in the background). If you support this guy, who incidentally, has an assault with a deadly weapon and armed robbery conviction, then you obviously condone violence.
Now who’s the confused one?
Michael Hampton
Jul 08, 2007
“Mitchell,” you’re calling me an idiot, while you intentionally misrepresent my position. You are well aware that I stated nothing of the sort. You’re the confused one.
I was in attendance at the press conference you refer to. Ed and Elaine Brown made abundantly clear that they just want to be left alone. If there’s any violence, it will be brought by the U.S. marshals trying to bring injustice upon them. And I certainly do not condone that at all.
Why are you trying to start something here? Do you love the government-mob so much that you have to get online and defend them? These government people cloak themselves in a veneer of the things we were taught were respectable, and yet the truth is that they are no better than the Mafia; indeed, they act virtually the same way.
It’s clear that you’re condoning violence against everyone by supporting this band of thieves.
Mitchell Mathews
Jul 09, 2007
Once again, who’s the confused one? How did you confuse my comment with a defense of the “government-mob?” My comments were not a defense of anything, but rather a condemnation of your own words in which you make an absurd assumption that the ensuing conflict between the Department of Justice and Ed and Elaine Brown is the result of disagreement over tax law. The “threat of violence” has nothing to do with tax law. It has everything to do with Ed Brown’s unwillingness to abide by the conviction against him set forth in a court of law.
Do I think that the Browns got a fair shake? Hell no. Do I think that the Browns have a golden opportunity to stick it to the IRS? Hell yes. Do I think that the Browns and all the other dipshits who want a stand-off are going to flush this opportunity down the toilet? Hell yes. It doesn’t take a genious to realize that the Browns are getting screwed. But if they pursue this case the way they are doing it, by hiding behind concrete walls and an arsenal of firearms, they are insane to think that any rational-thinking American is going to support them.
When will people realize that the government doesn’t react to the actions of people like David Koresh and Randy Weaver? It’s not time for a revolution. It’s time for reform. You want results? It is gonna take place by getting the current crop of asshole politicians out of office. We need politicians who work for the people and not their own campaign advisors. The Browns should be throwing money at this problem, not bullets. There are thousands of wealthy Americans who are fed up with the current set of tax laws and would love to back the Browns and help them stick it to the Man, but you won’t find them in Plainfield.
david
Jul 09, 2007
The jails are going to be beyond capacity when the DOJ arrests several million Ed Brown supporters. Gonna be silly.
This adminitration, if it can be called such, is just plain nuts. Cheney is legally insane and should be in a straight jacket in a padded room. Jr. is an ignoramus. Their puppets don’t know their rears from a hole in the ground. Congress is a bunch of paid off punk wussies. There are way too many ridiculous laws on the books. The police have turned into facist pigs. All ‘We the People’ do is bitch while the rest of the world roles their eyes in utter disgust. When people? When? It’s time for action and the only one’s doing anything are the Brown’s and company. I applaud their effort, whether correct or not, in just doing anything to shed light on the absolute sad state of affairs that is the justice system in the U.S. If I didn’t think I’d end up wasting my life alone I’d grab a gun and march on the capitol and white house to throw out this government and start anew. But alas the prozac nation whines a mighty whimper and that’s all ‘We the People’ will do until the FEMA Rex84 camps are filling up with the likes of you and me. Then it’s too late. It happened in Germany and the stage is set here. It’s just a matter of time. Back to the brainwashing idiot box I go for my nightly dose of propaganda.
The Threat
Jul 10, 2007
I’m more than a little appalled by the suggestion that shooting federal agents could ever be “the appropriate thing to do at this time”. Let us hope that none of us ever face a situation where it is the appropriate thing to do.
Implying that at some time it might be the appropriate thing to do to shoot federal agents could be twisted to mean something you don’t intend it to mean, I least I hope you (and think you) don’t. It’s easy to misinterpret.
The threats are laughable. If they wanted you in jail, especially these days, it wouldn’t be hard to arrange.
Michael Hampton
Jul 10, 2007
Indeed. I hope it’s never necessary as well, but I can’t deny the possibility that in the near future, it might be.
david
Jul 11, 2007
When another ‘terrorist’ event is staged resulting in martial law and suspended presidential elections you’ll wish you had a gun when the feds come knocking at your door.
Robert Holtzclaw
Jul 16, 2007
“Liberty or Death!” I think I have heard that somewhere before.
Kevin
Jul 16, 2007
Forgive my ignorance, but even if there was no law that clearly states “everyone must pay taxes”, wouldn’t a criminal law that states, “anyone who doesn’t pay taxes goes to jail” be that law?
Or is this not the issue in the Brown case?
Jul 19, 2007
To harass and annoy - Homeland Stupidity
Scottfree
Jul 21, 2007
To Kevin:
No, that wouldn’t “be that law”…because such a law would be based upon a false premise—that the average American wage-earner IS required to pay a tax on his/her labor. A law based upon a false premise is null and void.
Sincerely,
Scott
Scottfree
Jul 21, 2007
P.S.
Before there can be a law imposing a penalty for failing to do something, there must be a previous law (or a previous portion of the same law) legally requiring the “something” to be done.
Years ago the famed attorney, Melvin Belli, attempted to locate the section of 26 USC, Subtitle A, Chapter 1 (the Fed Income Tax) that imposed an income tax on the labor of average Americans. He did so because there was an offer of $50,000 to anyone who could produce such a law.
Belli came up empty.
Sincerely,
Scott
Al
Jul 21, 2007
I have an excellent working knowledge of Subtitle A of 26 USC. This is the REG for section 1 at 26 CFR 1.1-1….. Section 1 of the Code imposes an income tax on the income of every individual who is a citizen or resident of the United States and, to the extent provided by section “871(b)” or 877(b), on the income of a nonresident alien individual.
Section 871(b)
(b) Income connected with United States business – graduated rate of tax
(1) Imposition of tax
A nonresident alien individual engaged in trade or business
within the United States during the taxable year shall be taxable as provided in section 1 or 55 on his taxable income which is effectively connected with the conduct of a trade or business within the United States.
We know that non-resident aliens are taxed on their income which is effectively connected to the conduct of a trade or business within the USA right? I will give away all my worldly possessions to anyone that can produce the same statement about American citizens whose’ income is effectively connected to the conduct of a trade or business within the United States!
Al
Jul 21, 2007
26 USC Sec. CHAPTER 25 §7203. Willful failure to file return, supply information, or pay tax
-STATUTE-
Any person required under this title to pay any estimated tax or tax, or required by this title or by regulations made under authority thereof to make a return, keep any records, or supply any
information, who willfully fails to pay such estimated tax or tax, make such return, keep such records, or supply such information, at the time or times required by law or regulations, shall, in
addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $25,000 ($100,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both, together with the costs of prosecution.
Sec. 7343. Definition of term “person”
-STATUTE-
The term “person” as used in this chapter “(25)” includes (only) an officer or employee of a corporation, or a member or employee of a partnership, who as such officer, employee, or member is under a duty to perform the act in respect of which the violation occurs.
These are the ONLY persons subject to “Willful Failure to File” charges under chapter 25 of the Code and that excludes Ed and Elaine Brown!!!
Al
Jul 21, 2007
26 USC Sec. CHAPTER 25 §7203. Willful failure to file return, supply information, or pay tax
-STATUTE-
Any person required under this title to pay any estimated tax or tax, or required by this title or by regulations made under authority thereof to make a return, keep any records, or supply any
information, who willfully fails to pay such estimated tax or tax, make such return, keep such records, or supply such information, at the time or times required by law or regulations, shall, in
addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $25,000 ($100,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both, together with the costs of prosecution.
Sec. 7343. Definition of term “person”
-STATUTE-
The term “person” as used in this chapter “(25)” includes (only) an officer or employee of a corporation, or a member or employee of a partnership, who as such officer, employee, or member is under a duty to perform the act in respect of which the violation occurs.
These are the only persons under chapter “25″ of the Code that are subject to “Willful Failure to File” charges and that excludes Ed and Elaine Brown!!!
Coffeeseven
Jul 21, 2007
Federal Marshals are painfully aware the clock is ticking. The more time that goes by the less chance of being able to sell their heavy-handed tactics as legitimate.
I’m not surprised by this latest news. “We’re going to jail you for your beliefs” could have come right out of the list of 1776 griievences.
This issue needs the sunlight that throwing innocents into jail will provide. Besides I look great in orange.
Stan
Jul 21, 2007
One of the drains on the government besides the criminal ‘War on Terra’ is the blatant support of the 30 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS from Mehico, not to mention the millions of others from other places and our pre-owned Africans. They pop out a baby after making a run for the border, or 15 babydaddy droplings, and end up living off of you and me.
In the case of the Africans, they haven’t changed at all.
Look at Black run countries elsewhere. They are only hours away from mud huts, grub eating, rape and war. Hell, New Orleans was a perfect example of what happens when the White man isn’t there to keep the black man afloat. You can pump all the tax dollars you want into that hole and it’s not going to make a lick of difference in the longrun.
If the government is going to do nothing about rounding up and deporting these people then find out who the hell they are and tax the hell out of them. Racial profiling? Yeah, but so what? My White ass is tired of paying for gangs, drug dealers, highest crime ever, no-go zones, press 1 for English, hate crime laws,… you get the picture.
Call me a racist, but I’ll be in good company with the founders of this country. I’m just sick of footing the bill for my own family’s genocide.
Al
Jul 22, 2007
So you need to get the picture in your head that there is a new world order and the elimination of free peoples is necessary in order to achieve their goals. Try to internalize this. You are at war. War is being waged on YOU and your families! I didn’t start with Ed & Elaine Brown. The war against you began before you were born. It’s just that the Browns simply won’t accept going to the slaughter without a fight. So if you are sick and tired of paying for welfare rats, gangs, drug dealers, and criminals in Washington D.C. then you know what you have to do. STOP paying! Do what ever it takes. Talk is cheap and only action counts in this war. So don’t call “the” government “your” government unless you accept being a slave. You need to watch Aaron Russo’s’ documentary America From Freedom to Fascism, if you haven’t already seen it and if you have, you need to watch it over and over because when you labor without pay you are giving the government NOTHING because they don’t use Federal Reserve Notes to fund anything. They use credit borrowed from the Federal Reserve cartel to fund absolutely everything. The Federal Reserve will not accept paper notes in payment for the National debt. If they did, then all the government would have to do is create a single note that said 9 trillion on it, give it to the Federal Reserve and call the National debt paid. So to all those that feel that complaining is all you are willing to do for freedom I say this. Your slave masters care little about your whining, as they know that soon you will be quiet out of fear or distraction. The only thing they fear is the resolve of slaves determined to be free at any cost.
mycall
Jul 24, 2007
If you are going to protest the tax system, you should read this first!!!!!!!!!!!
AzraelsJudgement
Aug 03, 2007
If we didnt have the “federal” reserve then we wouldnt need to pay taxes. Our federal tax goes into the bankers pockets who charge the government interest for making our own money!
If the government made the money then there would be no interest on every dollar made therefor no federal tax to pay the interest rate.
When people say the federal tax pays for our roads, police etc they have done no research.
Tolls pay for roads, state tax pays for police. Federal tax goes into bankers pockets. Thats why the IRS is so militant about protecting their “law”.