The state of Arizona will join Vermont and Washington state in creating a secure state identification document which can be used for travel within Canada and Mexico and will also likely meet the requirements of the REAL ID Act.
The so-called “3 in 1″ driver license will satisfy the requirements of the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative, which requires citizens to carry a passport or alternative document approved by the government when re-entering the country from abroad, as well as the requirements of REAL ID and as proof of employment eligibility, according to a statement (PDF) from Gov. Janet Napolitano’s office.
“Arizona’s new driver’s license is poised to be one of the nation’s first to comply with REAL ID requirements,” according to a statement from the Department of Homeland Security. And to think a few people didn’t believe me when I said this would be a back door to REAL ID implementation for border states.
“I applaud the leadership of the state of Arizona who came forward to join us in our effort to bolster security through secure identification,” said Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. “This partnership helps us strike the right balance between security and facilitation, incorporating 21st century technology and innovation.”
Oh, what a wet dream for the bureaucrats, and what a nightmare for the rest of us.
The Arizona project will require approval from the legislature, which Napolitano has said she will seek.
“Arizona has been a leader among the states on issues related to border security and immigration,” Napolitano said in a stateemnt. “My hope is that this project will lead to an effective permanent program that can be implemented nationwide.”
We already have one of those; it’s called the REAL ID Act of 2005. States which fail to follow a Homeland Security implementation plan for REAL ID risk having that state’s IDs refused at airports, courthouses, national parks and for other federal purposes.
A bill in the Arizona legislature which would have opted the state out of REAL ID passed the state Senate earlier this year but stalled in the House.
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Sep 09, 2007
What about 911?? We need more than a new ID. How did they pull off 911?? Here are more possibilites we discussed. They could have flown the plane to a hire altitude to prevent rad ar detection and then flew quickly into the Twin towers. They also could have used a cold wave length technology linked to the spectrum. A possibility is they used cold wave technology from spectrum light. Rumor has it they have this technology. We could easily use it too. They could have taken plastic devices to destroy on plane radar devices. They could have stored them in thier rectum (Russian spies had guns they stored in thier rectum). If any plane goes off of the radar, we should have the Air Force or private airline security to go after the air plane and take over even if it means killing the pilots to save the others along with the air Marshalls on board with secret codes. They also could have had large amounts of blood fats that destroyed the transfer of information on cell phones and the plane. There are different types of blood fats in the body that have no relation to body size or weigth that could have had an effect on equipment regardless if they were slender or obese. Would’nt a single ID make it easier for some one to falsify it?? That makes no sense. The ID should have more information on it to prevent identity theft not less. I am a survivor of indentity theft. They can easily ruin your credit and much more. What kind of ID do you think would work best??? I think one with blood type, genetic dna profile implemented on it, iris of eye information and finger print. They could also have a person touch a key pad on computer to validate ID. This would reduce crime, terrorism and prevent another 911!! Good to luck all!!!
Anonymous
Sep 10, 2007
Real ID is more BS to invade your privacy and make rich white people feel safe. It’s going to just as hackable and reproducible as any other passport or ID.
Possibly......
Sep 10, 2007
Possibly but,idenity theft happens to all races. I am living proof. What is a good solution?? More concealed weapon permits or stun guns??? Probably, you are smart. You tell me!!
911 possiblity
Sep 10, 2007
There is a possibility that the terrorists from 911 used rainbow technology to block the transmission of radar. Radar is used to detect airplanes. It is also used for cell phones. They could have blocked cell phone transmissions and radar with special rainbow light. This is a more complex issue than black or white. It has nothing to do with race. They could have this technology with special lights that they installed on the plane or on a cell phone. Rainbows keep things cool after a storm to prevent the rain from evaporating to bring much needed water to the environment. Radars detect heat. If rainbow technology was used transmission signals could have been blocked. They should use detectors to determine both cold and hot waves. This could prevent another 911. What kind of IDs could prevent terrrorist attacks?? What should be on an ID?? Very intelligent people read this sight and Micheal is intelligent. Good luck.
Paul
Sep 10, 2007
I’d embrace a mandatory secure national ID requirement for all citizens . . . if . . . if! . . . it would replace DHS.
But what we’ll get is national ID plus DHS.
Paul
Sep 10, 2007
BTW, comments 1 and 4? Complete & utter bullshit. Too many bad movies, guys.
Turds_R_Us
Sep 10, 2007
I know it happens to all races, but the people in charge of most of this, the people that will profit from selling their technology to the government on the tax payers tab these are the ones I’m referring to, them and the circles they walk in.
Facts
Sep 11, 2007
We only wish comments 1 and 4 were bullshit. Did you know they used bats that are blind to develop radar technology?? That sure sounds like bs but, it is not. Radars detect heat. Why don’t you share what you assume is the truth. Do you believe it was just that easy?? It could not be unless they had an Air traffic contoller working on thier side too. If not what was the cause in your world??? Any kind of ID will be easily duplicated by criminal geniuses!! 911 we will never forget!!! They horrid twisted mind of a dream they had of paradise that in reality was a true nightmare from hell.
cap (patriot)
Sep 11, 2007
I think it is a very good idea to implement an iris scan and a biometric fingerprint. Most sociopaths are very intelligent to. Twisted people will always try to find a way to block our fundimental right to a safe and secure homeland. Let’s get smart people and try to find a way to stop this from happening again. If the information is given in a secure and proper procedural form, who’s to say we can’t stop this from happening again.
Good call.
Sep 11, 2007
We agree!! Enough is enough!! Take back America people!! If we don’t buckle down, the world will be destroyed. We must not allow the sociopaths to continue on thier wicked sick and destructive path. The only paradise they will see is hell for thier evil deeds.
Bob
Sep 16, 2007
Why not go all the way. How about a computer chip that can hold all your information. It could be implanted somewhere on the body and scanned when necessary. It could hold your driving record, citizenship information, medical history, banking and account information, travel history, the whole nine yards. It could replace every card, licence and certificate you have. Maybe throw in a little GPS technology and you could know the location of every person who poses a threat to the nation at all times.
If it contained all your banking info, it could replace cash. No more paychecks, direct deposit only. Just scan your chip at the checkout. A chip like that would eliminate crime because you couldn’t buy drugs or prostitutes or weapons or bombmaking materials without having your purchases recorded. A huge computer somewhere could process all the information and pick up on anyone who looked suspicious or who was not following the rules. No more income tax evasion because the super computer would know what you make and what you spend it on and automatically deduct what you owe. The government would save millions by not having to print cash and mint coins, plus, the information gained by the chips would streamline the country’s beaurocracy and save millions more.
The chip could be programmed to interact with your DNA or blood type or body heat so that if it was removed it would trigger an alarm signal, and the location could be picked up satelites. They use this theft technology in the automotive industry, and a lot of the other chip technology is already used in farm animals and family pets. Scan the animal’s chip and you know everything about it.
I know, it might cost us a little freedom but hey, if it makes us safe and warm and protected from the evil bad guys and terrorists it would be worth it, right? As long as the government doesn’t lose control to an Anti-Christ and they don’t try to put the chips in our right hands or on our foreheads, I don’t see a problem with this plan.
(Okay, I’m being sarcastic.)
Bob
Sep 17, 2007
That’s how they are going to sell it. Convienience and security. When the time comes, people will line up for a chip with smiles on their faces.
No more keys. The chip could be programmed to open and close the locks on your house and whatever else you want to keep secure. Your car, your safety deposit box, your mailbox, your computer, anything. With sensors, it could turn your lights on and off when you enter or leave a room, it could interact with your body heat to turn your furnace up or down or the heat in your car. Think about the energy savings.
The possibilities for a smart chip implant are endless. Drunk driving could be stopped overnight. The chip could be programmed to detect alcohol or drugs in your system and simply refuse to start your car. No drivers licence or insurance?-no start. No more missing children, the government could find anybody in an instant. No escaped criminals or parole violations. A criminal record would be programmed on your chip and if you try to enter a business or home to steal, an alarm would sound. Child molesters could be tagged in such a way(with GPS technology) that if they came close to a child they would trigger an alarm. The location would be known immediately. The same would apply to rapists or any other type of violent offenders. The chip could monitor your vital signs and signal for assistance if you had a heart attack or were suffering from hypothermia. No more being lost in the wilderness. No more being lost at sea. No more filing income tax returns, paying bills, paying rent, bouncing checks, lost records, fraud or any of the bad things in life. Your chip would record everything you earn, buy or sell and taxes, services and credit would be allotted to you accordingly. You would be completely protected by a chip.
The powers that be will play on our fears. When the time comes, getting a chip under your skin will seem like the smartest thing you’ve ever done but you will be completely surrendering all control of your life. You can’t fight the power behind this movement, it’s coming. Or maybe not, I don’t know, whatever. People that take things so seriously are really starting to crack me up. We all die in the end, remember? Live without fear and it will all work out.
Anonymous
Sep 18, 2007
“The possibilities for a smart chip implant are endless. Drunk driving could be stopped overnight. The chip could be programmed to detect alcohol or drugs in your system and simply refuse to start your car. No drivers licence or insurance?-no start. No more missing children, the government could find anybody in an instant. No escaped criminals or parole violations. A criminal record would be programmed on your chip and if you try to enter a business or home to steal, an alarm would sound. Child molesters could be tagged in such a way(with GPS technology) that if they came close to a child they would trigger an alarm. The location would be known immediately. The same would apply to rapists or any other type of violent offenders. The chip could monitor your vital signs and signal for assistance if you had a heart attack or were suffering from hypothermia. No more being lost in the wilderness. No more being lost at sea. No more filing income tax returns, paying bills, paying rent, bouncing checks, lost records, fraud or any of the bad things in life. Your chip would record everything you earn, buy or sell and taxes, services and credit would be allotted to you accordingly. You would be completely protected by a chip.”
- The problem about this is that also the chips could very easily be used by an oppressive government to curb individual freedom and suppress freedom of speech. Very easily done – track and coral the dissident like cattle. With the flick of a switch Hitler is back in power.
cap (patriot)
Sep 18, 2007
You guys crack me up. Watching a little too much of either the sci-fi channel or the xfiles. Paranoia runs deep. Why not cloning, you forgot that one. Then you wouldn’t have to worry about anything, you just wouldn’t remember, your memory would just be erased you wouldn’t have to worry about any of the above.
cap (patriot)
Sep 18, 2007
to add on to the above comment. Wouldn’t that make a new and better you. Security has to start somewhere, what would you suggest we do? Just forget about the whole problem or what would you do. Put your head in the sand and wait till someone digs you up in a time capsule somewhere. Can we at least get smart about the security of our freedom or do nothing? It is your choice. Give me an intelligent answer without the conspiracy theories please.
bob
Sep 18, 2007
Okay. Okay. But did you read my last line? That’s pretty much the essence of my post. Right from “Or maybe not,”.
I was just trying to show how the whole program will probably be sold to the people. I was an X-files fan though, and the memory thing was an Arnold movie, wasn’t it?
As far as what we should do? The best defense is a good offense, but we don’t seem to have the backbone to really strike fear into the heart of the Moslem world. We don’t even really want to recognize them as an enemy. “It’s a religion of peace” Yah, whatever.
You can’t fight a war halfway. Pave the place, take their oil(don’t buy it), and tell them that IF the next bomb is theirs, the one after that is going to flatten Mecca. Maybe blow up the Dome of the Rock first just to get their attention. That’s the way they would play it if they could.
We’re in an all out war whether we like it or not and they are eventually going to win because they are committed. Have you listened to their rhetoric? There is no appeasing them. They’ll just keep grinding us down and making us spend money WE DON’T HAVE on their oil, our security and a half hearted war effort until we finally crack. Then the Chinese will help them step on our necks. But, whaaatever, as Clint says in Unforgiven “we all got it coming, kid.” I’ll try to put a few scratches on them before I go.
cap (patriot)
Sep 18, 2007
Okay Bob, that’s a fair response. The scary part about the whole situation is we do have alot of sheep in this country, that donot understand, if we sit back and do nothing as to the security and wellfare of our fellow countrymen and woman, I don’t want to offend anyone in our new politically correct society that you are exactly correct, expect the current lunatics to keep trying and trying until they do kill us all. There is no stopping people that see things in a warped and dangerous view, and they will stop at nothing to obliterate all of us. continued
cap (patriot)
Sep 18, 2007
That’s why I stated in previous argument that a perfect start would be to implement security procedure’s now. No nothing is 100 percent perfect but let’s get the ball rolling. No disrespect intended in above comment. Glad you picked up arnold comment, gave me a good laugh. This country might not be perfect, but I am proud to be in America where we can have these discussions. Thanks for the thought. Im sure I will talk to you again.
canton
Sep 19, 2007
this is to cap(patriot) you have a good way of explaining things, but don’t forget this country has been blind to security, especially concerning the identifyting of its citizens. we need to implement a Idetity system that will actually certify the individual, not some pice of paper that no matter what we do will be able to be forged. LETS GET IT ON WITH A BIOMETRIC SYSTEM. then at least we can’t fool it. keep up your good work, everyone is waiting for you to show them you you got the right answers.
cap (patriot)
Sep 19, 2007
This is a big nod to canton, I had a exceptional teacher. I think the operative word as to that little piece of paper, should be social security card. Let’s now pick this apart piece by piece and see if we are all heading in the same direction. As a security measure that was put in place, now I will have to refresh my memory or my notes, so please bear with me for now. This will be continued shortly. My hope is that eventually through all of these conversations that the right answers will be continued on for an eternity. At least that is what I think we should be all shooting for. As my brain would say, the youngest and the best of us all brain. Peace out for today, and a stronger comeback for tomorrow.
William Rist
Sep 20, 2007
The National ID/Real ID/Drivers License which are all the
same thing, has already been issued here in Colorado.
Grants.gov, had a deadline for grants to each state for the cost of the new drivers license, which is the National ID card. The deadline was September 17, 2007. You must go into your local DMV office with a original SS card,birth certificate,there will be a digital photo and right index
finger scan. Anyone leaving outside the U.S. will have an RFID chip in there card.
cap (patriot)
Sep 20, 2007
William, are you stating that they have to bring to dmv instead of a system in place at the dmv these documents. If that’s the case, that will not work. Anyone can bring in paperwork, doesn’t secure the certification of the document and still will be ripe for fraud. Can someone clarify for me?
cap (patriot)
Sep 20, 2007
canton, aren’t we still blind. If states are relying upon the fact that non-citizens will bring in documents, they are fooling themselves. Has anyone addressed the fact that we have so many undocumented people in this country we do not know about, do they really think that these people will step forward and just appear with proper paperwork. The answer lies in the fact that we do not have a clue who is here legally or not legally. How do we address this issue? What system has been put in place in the overall picture of what’s happening in regards to the security of our nation? How do we educate the citizens of this country on a biometric fingerprint? We need to get this information out in a proper non-threating forum. We need to address why we need this type of certification along with if I am not mistaken, wouldn’t an iris scan be a better certification process also along with the biometric fingerprint. Educate me. thanks
cap (patriot)
Sep 20, 2007
one final note to canton, then I think silence should be the answer for a few days. Rest well my friend.!!
bob
Sep 21, 2007
We’re overthinking the idea of security. Like I said before, the best defense is a good offence. In the old west, Wild Bill Hickock was one of the best Marshals there was for bringing order to a lawless town. They didn’t hire him because he had the best iris scanning system or the latest in computer identification technology. His way was simple. You stepped out of line and he made an example out of you. You wound up dead or shamefully pistol whipped. The next guy looked at what was left of you and thought twice about doing evil deeds. It was a simple idea and it didn’t cost much. It just took a man with backbone who believed that he was right to enforce it.
It amazes me that people will consider all other options without consideration of cost, rather than use the tried and true method that has worked for thousands of years. It is not because we are civilized that we shy away from force, it is because we lack conviction and principles.
Innocent people will suffer when force is used to maintain order. I don’t contest that, but far fewer will suffer that way than by a corrupt government trying to control every move and action made by the 300 million people living in our country. As long as force is applied by a democratically elected government that has to answer to the people and the constitution of the United States, I don’t see a problem.
The founding fathers gave us the right to bear arms as the final failsafe. It’s our responsibility to keep the government in line, if they get out of hand. If they try to lock me up as an enemy of the state, I have the RESPONSIBILITY as an American to make them work for it if they are wrong. As long as we are all willing to do that, it will be far easier for the government to do their job and go after the real bad guys than to opress the American people.
That is why our system is failing. WE THE PEOPLE are lacking in fortitude and our government knows it. If you want to make this country better, start by taking a long look at the person in the mirror and figure out what that person can to do to become a responsible American.
In all of history, the Constitution of the United States is the greatest system ever set up by human beings but it is only as good as the individuals it governs. Overall, as individuals, we are fat, lazy, greedy, selfish, spoiled, cowardly and completely undeserving of the wealth we have. Change that, and our problems are solved.
bob
Sep 22, 2007
Why don’t you all watch Big Jake with John Wayne.
bob
Sep 22, 2007
Or Barbarosa, or The Wild Bunch or a movie called Harry Tracy with Bruce Dern. Aren’t there any Americans out there anymore?
bob
Sep 22, 2007
Hey, cap(patriot), if you’re interested read some of my other posts on the topic of The Coming Economic Collapse of the United States in this blog. I try to be entertaining.
bob
Sep 22, 2007
Enough drinking for tonight.
cap (patriot)
Sep 23, 2007
Bob, I think back in John Wayne’s era, I do believe that would be whiskey, he would be drinking. Did we imbibe too much of that by chance. Now you know as well as me, You can’t just go out and shoot someone to settle justice. Not even over a horse.They also used to hang people for crimes. No american’s anymore. Shame on you. I get to watch Gunsmoke over and over again, because someone in my house not only loves John Wayne but anything western. Couldn’t be this person has half injun in him. But no firewater. Hmmmm
cap (patriot)
Sep 23, 2007
Okay Canton,
I get the fact that the birth certificate was the only way to actually track who was actually born in this country and the fact that it was the only so called record that was certified at the time of birth. I understand that the Social Security card was never supposed to be used for identification purposes, I just don’t remember who decided this would be a good idea to even do such. Wasn’t this done sometime back in the 50’s by one of the political pundint’s. Which created a huge nightmare for identification purposes. Being as may, what we are now saying is in order to fix Social security properly or actually overhaul Social Security, we will need a third party verifyer, not connected to any one outfit, but branched out to all sources and only the information needed by one aspect, but connected to all aspects so noone can abuse the system. If we document an individual’s footprint at the time of birth, why can’t we use a biometric system that would be in play at the time. This will then give us an actual accounting, at the same time am i thinking to far out of the box for that. Just a simple step, to start with, the driver’s license can be retrofitted first.
cap (patriot)
Sep 23, 2007
to Canton continued
We would then need qualified people to train individuals from this third party source, wouldn’t we. Someone who is equipped with the knowledge of how to use the equipment and implement it to the appropiate source. Am I correct? This would then certify all documents affiliated with such.
Bob
Sep 23, 2007
I feel better now. You just made my point for me though, cap(patriot). You said “we can’t just go out and shoot people” and “they used to hang people(but we don’t anymore)”. Those ideas are the reason that our security doesn’t work.
We can set up a wall of computers and documents and scanning equipment to protect ourselves, but the terrorists will go right through that wall with a box cutter or a bomb because they are not afraid to hurt somebody. They are committed and they believe that they are right. They are willing to die and/or kill others for their beliefs. You can’t fight that with half measures.
If you are trying to protect yourself from an enemy, you have to understand who they are and how they are going to come at you. Their ways are simple. If we build a computerized security system that makes it impossible to get into the country, they’ll just take out our power grid so that the computers don’t work. They don’t have to blow something up to do that. Just buy a half a million cheap Chinese air conditioners and turn them all on at the same time to short out a grid. When the security isn’t working they could take advantage of the chaos.
They don’t have to get people into the country anyway. There’s lots of them already here. You can’t control everybody. A suicide bomber can make a gasoline bomb or a propane bomb and he doesn’t need an elaborate detonation system if he’s not worried about getting away. A Bic lighter would work. As long as our communications are wide open, they can coach their people from outside our country.
An attack doesn’t even have to involve a bomb. A timed and co-ordinated number of arson fires would bring a city to it’s knees. We have to get tough if we want to protect our freedom, because the very nature of freedom leaves us wide open for attack. Don’t think defense, think offense.
A complicated security system will only slow us down, make us weaker and cost us money that we don’t have. It won’t affect them in the least. All I ask is that you try and get past the political incorrectness of what I’m saying and really consider the simple truths in my ramblings. I’m not promoting hate or violence(they are ugly things), I’m just saying that hate and violence are part of our world and we have to confront them realistically.
I’m going to pull back for a while. I think I’ve said all I can say for now.
cap (patriot)
Sep 23, 2007
bob, come on. Yes we have an open society. But what your saying is that we have to completely close the door now. You are telling us to forfit every constitutional right we have and be what. You are proposing an instant change. Really!!Are we all supposed to build bomb shelters, live in the dark, or how about fortress’s that are inpenetrable. That’s not even remotely, realistic. Fortify that with enough arsenal to blow up what, ourselves. Do you really think that change works that fast overnight? To get this far in this country we had to have 911 happen for any security procedures to be finally upgraded and put into place. Maybe not perfect but change is coming soon and happening fast. What do you think I’m proposing here, a final place to begin to find out who the hell is already in this country. What exactly are you trying to say. Be afraid and petrified all the time. Societies will never function that way. Fear is also not a driving option, just causes mass hysteria. How much are you willing to commit to become this perfect society you are trying to impose. Do you really think a bunch of guns are going to stop a nuclear explosion. well, I tell you what stand there with that arsenal, and through sensors, which is quite possible, they’ll just drop a bomb on you. When your bunker doesn’t hold anymore and the air is polluted as hell, what difference did that make. Change doesn’t happen overnight and the west wasn’t won overnight either. Give me a little bit of a break. You have to play both an offensive and a defensive game. Who’s going to win in the end. The person that can think up both. If not stalemate. I for one would rather not be someone else’s pawn.
Anonymous
Sep 23, 2007
continued. On either front. If we start to stand strong finally, changes will happen. Maybe not fast enough for you but Im sorry friend, you are living in an impossible dream land. I’ve been told it’s like a chess board. One false step and kaboom, we are all screwed. So, like it or not we also cannot traverse back to the days of old lang syne.
cap (patriot)
Sep 23, 2007
WEll, I did post something before this and magically it just disappeared. So ignore the last if the first isn’t going to posted.
cap (patriot)
Sep 23, 2007
Well, screw it I guess now it’s magically posted again. I guess my rest is no name given.
cap(patriot)
Sep 23, 2007
Oh, I get it, Anyone else can say whatever, but as soon as someone tries to challenge this, I’m as Arnold would say, erased. My comment was awaiting modification. What doe’s that mean.
cap(patriot)
Sep 23, 2007
I quess I’m not allowed to challenge anything. Right. That’s really democratic of you.
William Rist
Sep 23, 2007
Cap,this is William Rist, DMV has always had the abilty to link to other agencies for documents, they just want you to bring in the documents yourself, because they want to see an individual in person. Once the documents are scanned,it then
goes into a federal data base share between states,This is an unfunded mandate that will cost the American people $5 billion. This will not stop the illegals from crossing the border. Cap this is just another way to
control the American people by using fear.
cap (patriot)
Sep 23, 2007
William,
Fear,Smear, This is just another way the states overstep their bounds and have no idea what they are doing. Like I said before this does not certify the documentation.You have got to be kidding and just how many illegal immigrants are going to come in and say, here I am, and if by chance some idiot does,if they are smart enough to get forged documents, don’t you think they are smart enough to avoid also. Who thought up this concept? Captain Kangeroo, Oh that’s right him and Mr. Magoo. If you refer to my previous comments above, the only proper way is thru a third party. Not affliated and not run by the clones at the DMV. Have you ever walked into one of those places. Scary to think about them having any control over any database. I always feel like a sheep being rounded up by sheepherders. Next number please. Like I said before just opens us up for more fraud.
William Rist
Sep 23, 2007
Cap,I have already spoken to DHS on previous ocassions,
along with Digimarc, who is helping to implement the technology in the new drivers license. My neighbor down the street showed me his DL, and it looks the same except for the
scanning of documents. I am a Gulf War Veteran who is trying to expose the truth of the REAL ID. I have already requested
an interview with George W. Bush, on how we can turn away from such a card and to redirect the illegals back home. Many of the personel in the senate are cowards.
cap(patriot)
Sep 23, 2007
Oh, no disrespect intended to the people just doing their job at the DMV. But really, personality is lacking just a tad. Hey, William thanks for the response. I will respond back to you tomorrow. Till then have a good evening, or if I decide to not get to sleep tonight, later on. Thanks for your imput right now. I appreciate any comments that make me tax this brain.
cap(patriot)
Sep 23, 2007
OH, and by the way, I always figure knowledge is power.To the millions of people that never read or use their brain. Do so please! You might just learn a few things that are quite useful and educating.
cap(patriot)
Sep 23, 2007
Last comment to William tonite. A gulf war veteran. I salute you. Glad to hear you served for this country.
Bob
Sep 24, 2007
I’ll try it another way. The western world is threatened by violent attacks, and the result is public fear and damage to our economies and democratic systems. Oklahoma City, 9/11, Bali, London, Spain, etc.. We know who is behind these attacks. In large part, the perpetrators are Islamic fundamentalists, but there are also extremist groups with political agendas, and individual wingnuts. Up until now, the response of western governments has been to try and be less offensive to the perpetrators and to try and appease them and negotiate with them. Along with that, we’ve tried to make it harder for them to committ their atrocities by tightening our security. This has cost us billions and we have had many of our freedoms curtailed but unfortunately, it has not lessened the possibility of more attacks. The proposed ID system that you speak of will just be another bite out of our personal freedoms.
What I am proposing is a different approach. We know who they are; hurt them every way possible, both to limit their ability to strike and to intimidate them. We should not be buying middle eastern oil when the profits are being funnelled into terrorism. We should not be giving aid to third world countries when their education systems are promoting hatred for the west. We should not be spending money and lives fighting wars that we don’t intend to win, at all costs and as quickly as possible for OUR benefit, not for theirs. Domestic terrorists? The Unibomber made some good points in his Manifesto, but his methods should have won him a quick trip to the public gallows. Same with Timothy McVay. No more Guantanamo Bay crap. Those prisoners want the US to follow the Geneva Convention concerning prisoners of war? Fine. They were enemy combatants captured out of uniform, they should have all been shot a long time ago. If a videotape surfaces of a Moslem cleric inciting violence in a mosque on American soil, that mosque should be demolished and that cleric should be dealt with as severely as possible under the constitution. My idea is that this hardline approach to the world would do more for our security in the long run than clamping down on OUR freedoms here at home.
I just want my ideas to be understood before I log off. I hope this make my position a little clearer. I never said anything about bunkers or fortresses or holing up with a bunch of guns. Where did that come from cap(patriot)? I think the more freedom the better and we should all try to have a lot more of the “live free or die” attitude. Not the ” live free because it’s more fun that way but we recognize the rights of others to live any way they want to, unless that conflicts with our freedoms then we will have to put together a delegation to review that conflict and try to work towards negotiating a settlement between the two parties that is fair, agreeable and peaceful for all involved”, attitude.
bob
Sep 24, 2007
Hey, I just lost one too. Took me an hour and a half to write and now it’s gone. What’s up with that?
bob
Sep 24, 2007
Oh, there it is. It looks right on my end but I don’t know if it reads the same for you as it does for me. Maybe that’s why we’re not communicating.
cap(patriot)
Sep 24, 2007
Bob, if you are referring to your previous remarks, I understand clearly what you are saying. Anyone can think up doomsday scenarious. All I’m asking is for a little understanding too. How would you suggest we fix a broken system? That’s what I’m getting at. By just saying attack them hard, now, and show no mercy, because they’ll show us none. Frankly, it’s not realistic. Look at the presidential show that’s being put on now for the up coming election. Same old rhetoric. If you are looking for legislature to fix. Forget it. Noone seems to want to stand up and be held accountable. All I’m saying is we need a third person to mediate their purposal. One that can oversee this mess. Not party affiliated and perferably unbiased.
cap(patriot)
Sep 24, 2007
oops, sorry, I just got your msg posted now. Let me go back and read, then I will rerespond. Your new one wasn’t posted the last time, I responded. I quess you were erased for awhile.
cap(patriot)
Sep 24, 2007
and forgive me, I am feeling abit under the weather today.
William Rist
Sep 25, 2007
Dear Cap,this is William Rist, again I tell you the truth
that who ever has wisdom and understanding the truth will set
him free. I do not say these things on my own accord but, the
one who has given me these words in which to speak. Do not be afraid, but only believe in the truth of what is yet to come. Whoever shows love and forgiveness, putting on the “Armour of God” and the “Fruit of the Spirit”, without judging or condemning his neighbor,will indeed be set free.
Cap I will pray for you and for those who seek to know the
truth about Jesus Christ. As for the government “Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasars” but give to “God what belongs to God”. Take care my friend and please know the power of prayer. May God, Himself be with you and show you the love just as He, has shown me and those who seek to know Him.
bob
Sep 25, 2007
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bob
Sep 25, 2007
It is easy to be a holy man when you are alone on top of a mountain. We know the rules and the words of wisdom but living by them in the trenches gets difficult. The struggle inside is never over William Rist. Thanks for the reality check.
cap(patriot)
Sep 25, 2007
Amen to that. Still not feeling well, but haven’t forgotten anyone. I’m sure everyone is waiting with baited breath for my response.Who care’s right. Still can laugh at myself even though I feel like crap. Bob, didn’t forget. I like your thoughts, just sometimes don’t always agree. Haven’t really sunk my teeth into your msg yet but will. You really did spend an hour on your msg. Amazing and it almost didn’t get in. That would stink. There are alot of times I feel alone at the top of that mountain. It’s tough to climb day in and day out. But I have never lost my faith. Even though sometimes it doesn’t sound like it.
William Rist
Sep 25, 2007
Cap, My point being,that know one is perfect but, to have a
seed of hope from somewhere is better than nothing.
William Rist
Sep 25, 2007
Cap, I am living a third life, and come from a family of 13
in a broken dysfunctional home, growing up hoping never to go into an orphanage. There was always hatred in the home never any love. I grew up with learning disabilities,never
knew what a bible was and kicked out of my parents home at the age of 18. My parents divorced when I was 3, plus I served in the military for over 8 years in artillary and meeting my biological mother for the first time in 2005 for about 2 days and havn’t seen her since. So, what is wrong with being a holy man who never knew anything worth living for. I am not some kind of religious fanatic like most pastors. I don’t believe you have to spend $50,000 to go to
a seminary. I came to know Jesus Christ, through life experiences. And I am still waiting to see and hear from my dad and brothers and sisters who I haven’t seen since 1996.
My grand parent are over 80 years old and deceased who I have never seen. But maybe I’m just a Holy man on the mountain. Take care Cap.
cap(patriot)
Sep 25, 2007
CANTON,
ACKNOWLEGED AND HUMBLED.
bob
Sep 25, 2007
I regret the misfortune in your life William. It could have been better for you or it could have been worse. Life is what it is but we won’t be given more than we can bear. You can choose to use the tragedy in your life as a reason to do better or as an excuse to do worse, the choice is what defines your character. You seem to have chosen to do better, I respect that, but the only two opinions that really matter are yours and God’s.
When faced with the day to day struggle of life, we deal with anger, emotion, impatience, pain, love, lust, joy and whatever else comes along. The choices must be made without time for thought and it becomes hard for a holy man to stay holy. On the mountain top, there are no distractions and there is time to think before one acts. It is easy to be a holy man when you are alone on the top of a mountain. That is the meaning of that line. You don’t know your true character until you are tested and tempted over and over, and the battle is never won as long as you live. You just try not to lose.
Whheeewee! Man, we are waaaaayyy off topic here! What happened to the security debate?
William Rist
Sep 26, 2007
Bob, thanks for the info. I will continue to expose George
W. Bush and the Real ID he implemented. So far I have already
met 3 individuals in Colorado with the new National ID/Real
ID/Drivers License. Hopefully my second request to George W.
Bush, will be an answered prayer. Because, I have some convincing ideas that may help the current illegal immigration issue.
cap(patriot)
Sep 29, 2007
The only answer for a true identification purpose is a biometric imprint. On a daily basis we give up our most important Civil Liberty. OUR SIGNATURE. A biometric imprint cannot be copied or used by anyone person. No one owns this but us. The Real ID act is just a small way to insure that the citizens of the USA preserve this civil liberty. THE GOVERNMENT has a fudiciary duty to protect all of its citizens against identity fraud.
bob
Sep 30, 2007
Well, nothing changed here but we all expressed our views. Sometimes discussions like these change things and sometimes they don’t. We’ll see what the future brings. Next topic please, if you will Mr. Hampton?
cap(patriot)
Sep 30, 2007
Everyday in this country documents are being signed. Mortgages, Loan papers, credit cards, etc.,etc. Do we really know for sure by who? It could be us and maybe, which happens everyday, a signature is forged or a charge is put on a credit card. The only way to certify these documents and to insure that our transactions are truly ours,is by one infallible way. A BIOMETRIC IMPRINT.
Bob
Sep 30, 2007
Remember when we used to sign deals in blood? That was biometric. It was the only kind if signature the Devil would take. He didn’t like ink because it wasn’t as binding. What are you getting us into with these biometrics?
It’s a good thing William got me thinking religion or I never would have had that thought. I don’t want to sign at the bank in blood. That’s crazy, man!
Bob
Sep 30, 2007
At least with ink you can say “hey, I didn’t sign that” or “that’s not my signature” and a good lawyer might get you out of a stupid deal. “It was my evil twin” or “it must have been the Mission Impossible squad”, those are plausible excuses, but if your blood is still fresh on the page, you’re screwed! Is that really what you want, Cap(patriot)?
Bob
Sep 30, 2007
And the thing is, that someone would still find a way around a biometric system. Now, instead of watching for someone looking over your shoulder when you enter your pin# you’ll have to guard your hairbrush, burn your fingernail clippings, make sure you don’t bleed after a paper cut, collect every hair from the barber, don’t spit or throw away your cigarette butts and so on. If you leave DNA anywhere, someone could copy it and make a biometric forgery of your imprint and as I say above, it would be a lot more binding than ink.
I will repeat, there is only one tried and true method of protecting one’s identity. When the government and the courts lay out a severe and unflexible set of rules and punishments for a person proved guilty of stealing your identity you put the thief in a state of fear. You sleep like a baby at night. Thieves police themselves because they are afraid to commit the crime.
I’ll give you another example. Think about drug dealers and users. Unsavoury types to say the least. Popular opinion preaches that the existence of drugs in a neighborhood leads to more crime. Druggies need money for drugs so they steal your TV and sell it. They get the money and buy their drugs.
Question: Why don’t they just steal the drugs?
Answer: They know the punisment for stealing from their
pusher. They wind up dead or in a lot of pain.
Hypothesis: If the punishment for stealing your TV was harsher than the one for stealing drugs from a pusher, your TV would be safe. Plus we would probably see a reduction in the numbers of druggies.
It would work the same for identity theft. Historically, it worked before, we just have to reverse our direction and get a little tougher again. Voila, it’s a simple, lowtech, lowcost solution to the security problem.
Here we go again, Cap.
cap(patriot)
Sep 30, 2007
Okay, The only part of that theory is and bob you are quite intelligent. That there are 76 filed affidavits recorded in our court system and other places. Plus numerous other documents. Think about how many more there are that did not get their due. Upheld by the HIGHEST COURT SYSTEM and never overturned. Not even as you so call say by an ATTORNEY. Not only did these people not lose their most precious posessions, their homes, but their signatures were forged. BUT NOT ONE case was overturned,and this I know by personal experience. WHO WAS FIGHTING FOR THEM!!!! THE BIOMETRIC FINGERPRINT AND IMPLEMEMTATION WORKED.
cap(patriot)
Sep 30, 2007
EXCUSE ME, THUMBPRINT AND IMPLEMENTATION. BUT YOU HAVE MY POINT.
Bob
Sep 30, 2007
Rewrite that a different way if you can, I’m confused. Were the 76 cases fought and lost trying to break documents containing forged signatures? I read it a half a dozen times but you’ve got some double negatives in there that throw me. Maybe you’ve been edited.
cap(patriot)
Sep 30, 2007
The Documents were forged by an outside party without the knowledge of the people they were forged against. Not only were these people threatened with a foreclosure action, but they had no idea that their signatures were even forged on the following documents. The cases involved home improvement companies. Not only did they not fix the problems that these people had, and most were elderly or sick. But they forged their signature on documents and filed them of record (Mortgages,DEEDS and so on )They were left with NOTHING to protect themselves against. What I’m trying to say is who fought for them. OF these cases, which were researched extensively, NOT ONE OF THESE PEOPLE were forclosed against. Not only that but the very institutions involved, Banks etc. knew that by our laws at least in ohio, THAT THIS WAS ILLEGAL. The Paperwork was done by a third party and the very people who approved of it were our own LENDING INSTITUTIONS. How many more instances besides this exist. This is just one case. WHO IS GOING TO PROTECT AND STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING ON AN EVERDAY BASIS? Referring back to my earlier comment, WE NEED TO VERIFY THE BASIC CIVIL LIBERTY WE HAVE. OUR SIGNATURE. WHICH WAS DECRIBED IN ABOVE INSTANCES and UPHELD. A BIOMETRIC SYSTEM.
cap(patriot)
Sep 30, 2007
OF THOSE 76 AFFIDAVITS and THE DOCUMENTS ATTACHED THAT WERE FILED OF RECORD. NO, NOT A SINGLE HOMEOWNER LOST. THEY WERE UPHELD and NOW CAN BE USED AS CASE PRECEDENT.
bob
Sep 30, 2007
Okay, I think I understand what you’re saying, but basically people steal identities to steal property. A system that uses fingerprints combined with DNA to identify an individual would be much harder to fool but not impossible. Nothing is impossible. So if someone managed to steal your biometric identity you would really be in trouble. It wouldn’t happen as often but it would be worse when it did.
I’m just saying that we need to make the criminals afraid to committ such crimes in the first place. We don’t need new laws and punishments, just bring back the ones we had 50 or 60 years ago. If a bank manager was risking 20yrs at hard labor instead of 2yrs community service, he would be less likely to get involved in a scheme to rip off some old people. That is just a fact. If the risk didn’t scare him, at least it would be 20 years before he could try it again and the public would get a lot of free labour out of him in the meantime. Either way, it’s a win-win situation.
cap(patriot)
Sep 30, 2007
THE LAWS WERE ALREADY IN PLACE. ALL WE NEEDED TO DO WAS INFORCE THEM. WE ARE NOT REWRITING THE LAWS. THEY GOT PUSHED ASIDE. ALL WE NEED TO DO IS INFORCE WHAT IS ALREADY THERE AND NOT GET SIDETRACKED.
cap(patriot)
Oct 01, 2007
TRUE, If we stand up and submit evidence that SOMEHOW DOES NOT GET LOST. Then these individuals would get the proper sentence, not a plea bargain deal.
cap(patriot)
Oct 01, 2007
WE ALL HAVE A UNIQUE SIGNATURE. THE SIGNATURE WE WERE BORN WITH AND CANNOT BE REFUTED. DNA CAN BE USED, BUT THE ONLY THING ABOUT DNA IS THIS CAN BE TAINTED. A BIOMETRIC IDENTIFICATION CANNOT BE COPIED,FORGED,STOLEN OR ABUSED.
funkyguy
Oct 01, 2007
seems like the American people are getting exactly the Homeland Security they deserve. Just like they have a president they deserve…
cap(patriot)
Oct 01, 2007
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William Rist
Oct 02, 2007
Hey Bob, I just recieved a letter from Congressman Tom
Tancredo, acknowledging that the REAL ID which is your current drivers license is in fact being implemented because of the 9/11 attacks, and because of terrorist Mohammed Atta. I am still waiting for my interview request from George W.
Bush, or the flyers will start to be distributed on October 3, 2007, to active duty personel as well as the community around Washington D.C. area.
William Rist
Oct 02, 2007
I, have already started exposing the deception of the
501c3, to pastors around the U.S. and how it will affect
them.
Jerry Barham
Oct 05, 2007
Does anyone know about a seminar that I have been told will take place somewhere in Arizona in November of this year relating to Real ID?
Steve Lee
Oct 05, 2007
More paranoid propaganda to push us towards the mark of the beast, funny thing how a man a couple thousand years ago knew that without this special mark you wouldn’t be able to buy or sell, makes you wonder if it is a bad idea since somebody called it out from that far
there are people that gain from exploitation, seek the truth and accept truth as authority, not authority as truth
cap(patriot)
Oct 07, 2007
A better question is HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR THE TRUTH!
cap(patriot)
Oct 09, 2007
What is paranoid propaganda? This case does exist. This is all of public record. That’s the only truth. I trust what I read and know when documented and certified, especially when personally involved. It is a shame that someone has to rule out as propaganda without studing the facts.
cap(patriot)
Oct 12, 2007
Interesting story reported by Reuters yesterday. An experimental Biometric Visa is being used as a trial run for entry into the UK. This is being done at the Gatwick airport. I watched the feed yesterday. This will test run till April 2008. Pretty interesting to listen to as to how they will tie into to their other security systems.
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Bob
Oct 12, 2007
I read up a little more on these biometrics. The most common systems are fingerprint and iris scans. I thought they were more complicated than that. That’s why I suggested that we would have to be careful with our biological wastes.
The iris scan would be tough to fool but who wants lasers shot in their eyes every time you have to identify yourself. It would be ridiculously expensive too when you think about nationwide use.
As far as the fingerprints go, couldn’t someone just lift your prints off of your coffee cup and copy them onto a rubber finger? If they got your card in a burglary or a car theft, they could just dust around for prints and steal your identity too. Am I missing something or would it be that simple?
I still think the whole program is a waste of our resources and in the end, will still not produce the desired result of better security. Just more complication in our lives, more taxes and less freedom. We’re not ruthless enough to impose this system on all the bums, junkies and illegals in this country so what good would it be?
Daniel
Oct 13, 2007
Why don’t they just implant a microchip in stupid propagandized Americans and leave the rest of us alone?
Mark
Oct 13, 2007
I beleive the GESTAPO/NAZIs required ID that allowed you move around, get food, money etc.
I also wish that the moron, poster #6, since he is challenging 1&4s opinions, would come up some facts-not just reciting by rote White House press briefings- or worse George Bush himself-which would be embarassing, to show that their opinions as invalid-no BS-no excuses-just do it- inform yourself-and the rest of us-before you shoot your mouth off again, that the “Officail” story is valid.
The burdon really is on you, since you claim you have facts that would reduce 1&4s posts to dishwater…..
I didnt think so.
cap (patriot)
Oct 14, 2007
Mark ?????????????
cap (patriot)
Oct 14, 2007
Daniel, Your not even worth commenting too.
cap (patriot)
Oct 14, 2007
I’ll get back to you Bob. Sorry for delay.
cap (patriot)
Oct 14, 2007
Bob, We have to be dilligent in our duties to make sure everyone living in this country is ID. Even as you so call say the bums on the street. They are people too. First, you can’t just lift a fingerprint off a wall or such as you stated. Do you watch CSI also? There has to be a specific system in place. Costs would be minimal, compared to the security of our identity. Have you ever watched someone trying to get their name cleared if used illegally, I can assure you this is not a cheap venture, and virtually might go for years without any clear outcome. The costs on that are tremendous and not only money. As to the rest here i go bringing the case previously stated forward. My favorite person in the whole case was a women named Emma Cross, this first started in 1993. Her husband has just passed away before I got a chance to meet him. Remember something, the people that were involved in this case had virtually nothing to their names. Innocent bystanders trying to figure out how to improve their living conditions. How would you like it when talking to one of these poor citizens, that mice were crawling on the back of the furniture and floors. A Supposedly fixed house? Sound right to you.
cap (patriot)
Oct 14, 2007
sorry, finish later. a rather cranky person just walked in have to deal with this first.
William Rist
Oct 14, 2007
God,will bring down a “wrath” for those refusing to give up the 501c3.
William Rist
Oct 22, 2007
I am now getting citizens,active duty personnel,veterans,
and law enforcement, to assist in helping the American people. If George W.Bush, won’t listen along with the other
candidates, then we will work on the other side to assist.
In the meantime the person to support for office would be
Congressman Ron Paul, because he is exposing the Real ID along with Congressman Tom Tancredo. If the higher ups’ won’t
listen, then they will have to fight their own war without the American people. Americans’ should not enlist or re-enlist. If their is to be a ” Draft ” then that would include
the politicians, not the American people let it be a goverment war, not a innocent human life war.
cap (patriot)
Nov 05, 2007
In the case above that I am referring to they all had one thing in common. Establisment of a new notary system. A federal notary. This was done with a biometric fingerprint. What is the purpose of a notary? A person that can certify documents, attest to documents, whether they be mortgages, drivers license, etc. With the affidavits above, remember not one of them was overturned and on all the affidavits above, the one common factor was the biometric fingerprint by the notary. An attestation of fact and certified with this method in a court of law.
cap (patriot)
Nov 05, 2007
Establishment, sorry.
cap (patriot)
Nov 05, 2007
Let me clarify the above statement, not an establishment of a new notary but a different kind of notary, using the very same laws that are now in place, but strengthing the punch of the laws that are in place now.
cap (patriot)
Nov 11, 2007
In the Cases above, there are affidavits of record in Canton, OH showing the abuse of the current notary system.There is nothing to stop the rampant misuse of the system as it is today. People were coerced into complying with there employers to just notarize, at the expense of their own lives and jobs. Even after these people left their employers, the employers still would fraudently notarize the documents, in effect commiting a criminal act. The above affidavits will show that hundreds of documents that were recorded, were done illegally, sometimes with the consent of notary and at times not with their consent. Not only do you have fraudently signed documents, but you also have a fraudulant notary. There currently is no way to account for the millions of documents signed each and every day and noone to police such procedures.The current system that is supposedly policed by the bar association is a joke and has to dramatically change if we are to account for certified documents.To give someone that much power and not police it is criminal in it’s self. There must be accountabliliy on the notary’s part to insure against massive fraud, and we must have a system put in place that will do just that. As I refer to in the above comments, that system would be biometric.Remember the definition of a notary and what they are entitled to do.
cap (patriot)
Nov 11, 2007
Spelling or grammar mistakes, ignore. Hopefully, my point carries across.
world patriot
Nov 14, 2007
I don’t see how the Real ID can protect us from terrorists when the terrorists who perpetrated 911 are right inside our own government. Please see:
The more we give up our rights, the more we are suseptible to internal terrorism. We all need to wake up.
Bob
Nov 14, 2007
World patriot.
Jeff Hoyt and I started the conspiracy discussion (that I think you are referring to) towards the end of the “Jawbreaker- Next Terrorist Attack” headline. You can find it in the October or September ‘07 section at the left of the screen.
We were sort of shut down by Michael Hampton. Let me know what you think of our posts over there. I’m dying to keep the argument going. The subject fits with this topic in light of what you just posted.
cap (patriot)
Nov 20, 2007
Definition of Patriot. Read it. Oh, by the way read the conspiracy theory from Bob and Jeff. Good discussion. Give the govt. more credit than they actually could ever properly put together. 911, Sir, Was not the United States of America’s due. I am sick of this shit. World Patriot. Please.
Carry on dudes. I cannot figure why you would think this discussion even merits any so called further mention. There are alot of good Americans still left in this country, and unfortunately we are all lumped together as coniving terriorists. Where is World Patriot from? US or WHERE? and since everyone here is such a brain genius, suppose you tell me what the living hell you know for a fact, not some random bullshit comment. I apoligize to anyone else that could possibly be offended, but there are limits to my sense of right and wrong. If I get screamed at for this, so be it.
tom scott
Nov 28, 2007
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah!! In Real Life the governmenttissimo does what it wants and the sheepdom just bitches while being prodded along the trail. The governmenttissimo allows you that. Bye.