Town aldermen in Dover, N.J., worried that terrorists could attack the town’s children by poisoning gumballs in coin-operated gumball machines, have launched an inspection of every machine they can find.
Aldermen Frank Poolas, Jack Delaney and Michael Picciallo, six months into a planned nine-month investigation, so far have found 100 unlicensed machines filled with gumballs, jawbreakers and other candies commonly enjoyed by children with a few coins in their pockets. They say that the issue is a “high priority” and plan to report their findings to the mayor by Jan. 1.
But the police chief says there’s nothing to worry about and that terrorists aren’t targeting gumball machines. “The gumballs are safe,” says Harold “Butch” Valentine.
The odds are remote that candy machines would be targeted by terrorists, he added. “You’d probably win the lottery first,” Valentine said.
Thomas Zellman, director of the Morris County Department of Law and Public Safety, agreed that gumball machines are “certainly not” a threat to homeland security. . . .
William Shuler Jr., a Republican running for a seat on the board of aldermen, thought gumballs are a problem, but only after they’ve been chewed.
“If I had it my way,” Shuler said, “I would probably remove all gumball machines and get the gum off the sidewalks and make less work for sidewalk sweepers.” — Newark Star-Ledger
But the aldermen are convinced they have to register every gumball machine in town, and set up a candy tracking system, “for the children.” Meanwhile, poor children live in overcrowded housing projects, families are losing the homes they’ve lived in for generations for “redevelopment,” and parents have now been given something else to worry about.
It seems to me that creating fear where there was no need or justification for it is a common tactic used by petty tyrants to increase their control over ordinary people’s lives.
Security expert Bruce Schneier calls the idea “too stupid for words.” Gumball registration isn’t going to make anybody safer, but it will make gumballs more expensive and it will grow government into yet another aspect of our children’s lives where it doesn’t belong.
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Toby Stevens
Oct 12, 2007
Oh dear – I recently saw machines vending Coke and Snickers… WHO KNOWS WHAT’S IN THEM???!!! Come to think of it, my local water comes OUT OF A TAP – anyone could have interfered with it! How shall our children ever be safe?
Anonymous
Oct 12, 2007
better call boston, they’ll know what to do.
Fixer
Oct 12, 2007
Damn, my dog isn’t registered with the county, either. I wonder if the terrorists can use him to get to me…
…hey, he’s eyeballin’ me kinda funny-like…
screw it, I’m calling Homeland Security. I’m betting they’ll get here quick ’cause they know right where I live.
mdh
Oct 12, 2007
Quoting Schneier ftw.
Remember the Tylenol
Oct 13, 2007
This is possible remember the Tylenol being poisoned in the 80s??? You can do the smell test and taste a small amount ect.. The larger companies are not going to allow it because, the law suits will cost them too much money. The pet food bs is unbelievable. All it takes is some terrorist to get too much power and they can waste millions of people or pets. Trust is an important issue for most. You can check the records of the companies who want to gain your trust. They have cameras on sight and high standards. It may come with a price but, it is worth it. Just be careful, aware and keep up with the news. If you think you have been a victim call the poison control center or go to the hospital plus have your stomach pumped. Another method to survive is flush it out with water. Most poisons have high levels of metal causing things to burn. Water can help prevent that. Just don’t get too much water or that will kill you too. Good luck. Some people claim a metal detector device can help determine problems too.
Bob
Oct 13, 2007
The answer is simple. Instead of making everyone afraid to eat a poisoned gumball, make everyone afraid to poison a gumball.
” See that man hangin’ and twitchin’ up there on that rope Lil’ Johnny? He poisoned a gumball machine. They’s gonna let him hang there for a spell so’s people know they shouldn’t be doin’ that sort of thing. Don’t you never poison no gumballs, boy.”
Crude but very effective.
The Dog
Oct 13, 2007
“The land of the free and the home of the brave”
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hah!
America should immediately change the words to the National Anthem to something more appropriate like:
“The land of the scared and the home of the afraid.”
Now you are all afraid of Gum balls!!!
What next? Sand?
Verbos
Oct 13, 2007
There have been Psychopaths throughout history. What’s different now? The MSM is just over blowing the issues. The government wants people to be paranoid and demand government action. Just accept your own personal responsibility. If you don’t the psychopaths in government will have total control and YOU will do as you are told.
Rabbit
Oct 13, 2007
FEAR the GUMBALL!!!
It is good to see at least one citizen is taking this threat seriously “Remember the Tylenol”, very good I see you keeping up the fear there. I truly think you should be worrying about the soda dispensing machines and those ones at the train stations etc which dispense candy bars, crisps and other crap. That would seem like a much more likely target than the few kids who still bother with such retro stuff as Gumballs.
The main thing is to remember to be afraid. Never let the silly little detail that more people die annually of Penaut allergies than Terrorist attacks; get in the way of seeing boogey men under every rock, behind every bush and lurking amongst the shelves of the local supermarket or in that harmless looking candy dispenser.
….The rabbit spits contemptuously on the thing and scatters dirt over its stupid ideas as it stalks haughtily away…
tim-iowa
Oct 13, 2007
WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE SMOKING?
Vukephalos
Oct 13, 2007
If this fearfulness represents anything but the tiniest segment of America then OBL has won.
He’s beaten George Bush. Let’s not let him beat the nation.
Rick
Oct 13, 2007
I think the people behind this law should be institutionalized a menace to themselves and to society at large. Their statements, ipso factor, are evidence of insanity. Maybe they did it to get free publicity.
All kidding aside, this makes me doubly sick – first because somebody is so deranged to think this is their civic duty, and second because some citizens actually think this behavior is in any way defensible instead of criminally negligent and flat out insane.
Well, look at the sheeple lining up to take off their shoes just to endure lousy airline service.
Save the humans....
Oct 13, 2007
Be careful and aware. Thier are socio-paths among us who just don’t give a damn about anything not even themselves… You just have to be safe. Don’t rely on Medicaide either. Those people will kill you. There really is no such thing. Health insurance is expensive but, it is a must. In California they will just let you die on the floor if you do not have insurance. The only hospitals that will not are Catholic hospitals. Keep this in mind. Save the humans. Human life is priceless. Those who kill will be punished. Nobody gets away with it even Mother nature will punish them.
Crazy Eddie
Oct 14, 2007
#7….what about sand? Why did you say sand? Are you talking about the way it gets in everywhere? What’s in the sand? Little bugs and stuff? Is it Arab sand that somebody smuggled in? Is their sand different? I never thought about sand……it’s everywhere!! Son-of-a____________! I’m freakin’ man!
Estelle
Oct 14, 2007
—Wow, now I’m not so sorry that I’m toothless.
The old plate could never handle a gumball.
This is right in line with being inoculated against
HIV, Hepatitis, etc. before attending a NASCAR race.
What alternate universe have I fallen into aggggggghhhhh!
Dude
Oct 14, 2007
Are any of you surprised. The issue is not about possible terrorist threats on children, the issue is the unregisterd vending machines. How can you tax something that is unregisterd?
Mark
Oct 14, 2007
“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.” – Adolph Hitler
Randy
Oct 14, 2007
Oh n0es! I eat a jawbreaker every day. I hope I’ve been buying sufficiently safe jawbreakers and no one has to inspect my source to protect me.
heather collins
Oct 15, 2007
I needed a good laugh today. LMAO!!!! The fearmongers are trying so hard and obviously watch too much TV and read too many “informative newspapers”;)
Jaw breakers.....
Oct 15, 2007
Buy Willy Wonka everlasting jawbreakers. They change colors and flavors. They are poison free and available everywhere. Yummy and cool. Don’t fall victim to nut cases!! Eat Justice jawbreakers they are so good.
Cooltruth
Oct 16, 2007
Forget “What are these people smoking?”… WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE SUCKING? Those hard candy ‘jawbreakers’ are at least as bad for children as smoking is for adults! Why do parents allow their children access to such things? Take ‘em home & teach ‘em to eat turnip greens instead of letting them live on jawbreakers & gumballs. Thwart another terrorist today…
the unbelievable
Oct 16, 2007
I suspect most of you already know but 911 was an inside job. watch this 1 minute youtube video.
Bob
Oct 16, 2007
Not again with the 911 inside job. It takes months for engineers to demolish a bulding 1/10th the size of ONE of the towers. It would have been a year and a half project designing and planting the charges capable of demolishing the twin towers. Placing the charges, running the wires and figuring the time delays would have taken a crew of hundreds of people. There would have been bundles of wires as thick as a fuel drum running through the hallways and elevator shafts. I think someone would have noticed. I’ve heard about the offloading of passengers from the jets and cruise missiles fired at the Pentagon and so on. It would have taken thousands of people to pull it off. I think somebody would have talked by now.
No I think it was just a bunch of wingnuts and some big jets. Do the math and physics and it’s more than possible. They just don’t like us and figured out a way to hit us with our own fist. Real simple.
Jeff Hoyt
Oct 16, 2007
Bob, I understand the depth of feeling that runs on both sides of the “9/11 inside job”. If you struggle with the possibility, no offense taken. For my part, I could no more buy the official account than I could buy the moon being made of out green cheese, but that’s just me. But, lacking time to get into any depth here, a quick response to some points you made. As you read, please keep in mind that I my day job is primarily low-voltage work in commercial installations.
The time it takes for engineers to destroy a building 1/10 the size of one of the towers depends entirely upon the design of the building. The towers were incredibly strong, but because their structure was repetitive and their mass was concentrated in a relatively small footprint compared to their height, the engineering process simply would not have been that complicated. Besides, what does it matter? It’s not like there was a deadline and a ribbon-cutting planned.
A year and a half to design and plan? Well, beats me; never done it before. But again, so what.
You do run into the problem with the work taking a crew of hundreds of people; not so. An efficient crew of a dozen could have placed several thousand small charges of HE in devices that looked like security sytem components well within the time frame you imagine. And forget the wires; I do stuff like this on multiple floors with very little wire. We call the technology “wireless”.
And nobody would have noticed. A building that size has hundres of various personel who walk around all day long doing all kinds of arcane jobs to keep everything from LAN systems to the air-conditioning working. Been there, done that. Nobody ever questions my being there once my presence is established as normal. That’s what would have happened here.
Thousands of people to pull it off? Un-unh. Not even a hundred; the rest would not have known what they were involved with.
Somebody would have talked? A good point, and one that I can’t refute with any credibility because I can’t remember the name of a particular fellow who worked in both Bush administrations; a heavy hitter who was way up the ladder. He gave a speech in August of 2006, and he, in fact, went on record as saying it was an inside job, and that he wanted everyone to remember that he said it first. I’ll try to bring myself up to speed on that one, and get his name and the location of the speech – again.
Do the math and the physics. They have been done, Bob. The greater credibility belongs to the group who say it wouldn’t have happened the way it did. Besides, you just can’t get past WTC 7, huge increases in put option purchases in the three days proceeding the attacks, the 270 degree diving turn by a 757 supposedly piloted by a guy who never soloed, a 1000 pound piece of one of Flight 93′s engines being found a mile away from the crash site, the lunacy of the 9/11 commision report, and dozens of other questions that aren’t getting answered in the public arena.
For what it’s worth – probably not much – here’s a series of questions I’d like to ask the CinC, although I doubt I’d get them all in before the Tasers came out…
1. Mr. President, debris from United Airlines Flight 93 was found as far as eight miles away from the crash site. A portion of one engine weighing about 1000 pounds was unearthed about a mile away. Eyewitnesses at Indian Lake, 2.5 miles away, saw debris raining down on the lake as a fireball was rising in the air in the distance. Further, other witnesses claim to have seen a small white jet flying near the scene, with one stating on the record that the jet made one circle around the crash area before flying away. Combined, these items suggest that Flight 93 was shot down. Your comment?
2. Mr. President, your youngest brother, Marvin, was a director at Securacom, now known as Stratesec, from 1993 to 2000. Stratesec was responsible for security at the World Trade Center as well as United Airlines at the time of the 9/11 attacks. To date, you have made no comment on this fact. Would you like to make one now?
3. Mr. President, according to seismic records, American Airlines Flight 11 struck the North Tower of the World Trade Center 26 seconds after 8:46 a.m. Established records indicate your motorcade left the Colony Beach and Tennis Resort in Sarasota, Florida at 8:35 a.m. on the morning of the attacks and headed for the Emma E. Booker Elementary School, located just slightly over 9 miles away. A MapQuest direction request indicates a drive of 19 minutes. Assuming the Secret Service had cleared the roads for your travel, you would have arrived at the school at approximately 8:54. Therefore, Flight 11 struck the North Tower while you were being driven to the school. Allowing as much as two minutes for you to exit your limousine, you would have entered the building at approximately 8:56 a.m. CBS news broke into normal broadcast operations at 8:52 a.m. to show the North Tower after the impact, four minutes before your arrival. At this time, no one had seen the film taken by the Naudet brothers showing the strike, and wouldn’t until the next day. So, at the time of your arrival, news reports would have begun broadcasting images only of the smoking tower and only for a few minutes. It seems unlikely that anyone at the school would have known of the event and managed to turn on a TV set so quickly, especially in any of the individual classrooms. And it would have been impossible for any TV set at the school to show the actual impact of Flight 11, because the man who filmed it was still filming, and would be for some time, even getting so close to the South Tower that he wound up running for his life as the tower collapsed. But you are on record, Mr. President, in an audio recording that can be heard in the film “9-11 Justice” saying – and I quote – “Well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on.” Mr. President, how is it possible for you to have seen a plane strike the North Tower of the World Trade Center when the event would not be broadcast until the next day?
4. Mr. President, it seems strange that when it became apparent the United States was under attack, that you remained in an area where your presence was previously announced for nearly 30 additional minutes, exposing yourself and the people around you to considerable potential danger. This seems an unusual decision by the Secret Service. Your comment?
5. Mr. President, Section 802 of the Patriot Act redefines the standards of “Enemy Combatants” to include anyone who commits – and I quote – “acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State.” Now, while it is laudable that the writer of this portion of the Act recognizes the legal and political distinction between the United States and the individual states, it is disturbing to some to realize that a reckless driving conviction could result in a citizen of the several states being declared an enemy combatant if the Justice Department chose to do so, wherein that citizen could be incarcerated indefinitely in a secret location, in or out of the United States, without legal representation or trial. Your comment?
6. Mr. President, a flurry of activity in the stock market involving “put options” was seen in the last two or three days before 9/11. This activity involved United Airlines, American Airlines, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, as well as other large corporations, some of which saw this kind of activity increase hundreds or even thousands fold, and all of which saw significant, if not catastrophic, loss of stock value in the aftermath of the attacks. As a result, large fortunes were made by those exercising these options. Have you ordered the SEC to investigate these trades to determine if their originators had prior knowledge of the attacks?
7. Mr. President, it is claimed that in a meeting that took place in November of 2005 in which you referred to the Constitution as “just a g—damn piece of paper”. Frankly, the source of this report is questionable, and no one to my knowledge has stepped forward to corroborate it. For the record, then, Mr. President, what is your opinion of The Constitution for the United States of America? (Note: the word “for” is the correct one; the Preamble does not refer to the document with the word “of”)
8. Mr. President, the United States government has been in the process of converting military bases into detention camps, as well as constructing new ones, such as Sweet Luck Greens in central Wyoming, built by the Halliburton subsidiary KBR. I have not been able to confirm it, but there are claims that there are 600 such camps. Mr. President, are you expecting trouble?
Jeff Hoyt
Oct 16, 2007
I should know better than to comment like this when I first wake up…
I’ll ignore the other grammatical foul-ups, but paragraphs 3 and 7 have a couple that are just too egregious to ignore. Sorry, all.
Parapraph 3. “You (imagine a) problem with the work taking a crew of hundreds of people; not so.”
Parapraph 7. “The greater credibility belongs to the group who say it wouldn’t have happened the way (the official explanation says) it did.”
Bob
Oct 17, 2007
“All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the right one.”
First of all, it was completely possible for those jets loaded with fuel to bring down those buildings. Maybe there could have been a better way but who’s to say that they didn’t just get lucky?
The jet made crazy turns that pushed the limits of it’s airframe? He was a crappy pilot who didn’t care if he lived or died! In fact he wanted to die. That explains that.
It has been my observation that in most cases the government couldn’t run a two hole outhouse. I find it hard to believe that they could pull something like that off without a screw up or someone coming front with their story to make millions.
The event happened in real time with no-one knowing what the hell was going on. Things like that get confusing. Maybe some government officials made some decisions that resulted in events that they thought were best to cover up. Possible.
Maybe some big money men with middle-eastern connections knew that something was in the wind and made a killing off the fall of the towers. Possible.
Maybe some people took advantage of the confusion and made opportunities for themselves. Possible.
One big question. Assuming that it was a planned event and the planning went beyond an Arab terrorist group to involve our own government, I have to ask, for what purpose would the government cause this?
Any answer that you can give me will be based on the assumption that we are ruled by an extremely intelligent, diciplined group of individuals, with an uncanny talent for predicting future chain reaction events and consequences, connected to world money and industry across all borders and races and… totally devoted to evil and the domination and destruction of the human race. That doesn’t sound like Bush or Clinton. It may be the case, but it’s not our government. The individuals are most likely of divine origin, if you believe in that sort of thing. That would be the more plausible explanation.
(I don’t know if I’m being sarcastic there or not.)
Either we are just humans doing our thing for our own reasons or, we are being led by Lucifer down a path to our own destruction. I think it’s one or the other. Or maybe both, I don’t know but there’s no Illuminati. Humans as I’ve come to know them, aren’t capable of such a thing.
Bob
Oct 17, 2007
There are just so many things that could have gone wrong in the scenario that you choose to believe, that it becomes more likely that the act WAS committed by terrorists. They managed to pull it off because of our incompetence and indecision and maybe our greed. I’m just asking you to consider that, if you haven’t already.
Bob
Oct 17, 2007
I don’t want to get in an argument with the legendary Jeff Hoyt. You’re a detail man. Details can win an argument if you know them all and use the ones you want to make your point. I’ve never been good with details. I’m an idea and concept man. Once I know enough details to understand the idea or concept, I move on. If you start on me, I’m going to have to start researching and it will take a while to make my responses.
I feel like I just spilled Hickok’s whiskey.
Matawan
Oct 17, 2007
Somebody call these rectums (rectii) and remind them of some of the more pressing issues such as mass forclosures, national de-industrialization, and the slumping dollar. (I suppose they haven’t the technical ability or creativity to comprehend, much less address these issues.) Then tell them they are anuses (anus’? anii?)
Bob
Oct 17, 2007
Jeff,
Another thought that I just had. If those goofballs put flight 93 into a full power vertical dive from 20,000ft or so, it probably would have broken up before impact and scattered all over. I don’t think a passenger jet can withstand the stress of .98 Mach. In Chuck Yeager’s book, he remembered getting close to Mach 1 in power dives with the old P-51. They didn’t understand what was happening until later when they finally broke through the sound barrier and everything smoothed out.
Or maybe the military did shoot it down out of fear and covered it up. If that was the case though, why would they have shot it down if they had planned the whole thing and were trying to hit the White House?
Hey, is this Matawan guy a Roman or something? Didn’t they have a god called Uranus? I wonder what Jupiter had him in charge of?
Jeff Hoyt
Oct 20, 2007
Bob,
The legendary Jeff Hoyt? Spilled Hickock’s whiskey… I usually don’t get a laugh that good this early in the morning. Many thanks!
But it is early, and I have a huge decision to make in the next half-hour or so – whether or not to go to work – so my mind won’t be on topic, and believe me when I say it takes everything I’ve got to engage in this sort of activity. That’s why I don’t do it very often…
Tell you what, when something like this gets rolling and I think I may be responsible for instigating it, I prefer to ask Michael if he’s copacetic with what may turn into a lengthy exchange. Reference the “Aaron Russo” thread and the results under “I support Ed and Elaine Brown”. Sheesh…I’m thinking of unsubscribing to that thread.
I appreciate your reference to Occam’s Razor, something I have done many times. But I think that an objective look at specific events that occurred that day result in the greater faith being necessary to believe the Feds. I will concede that the bulk of what is generally believed by the public is posssible – you make some perfectly valid points, IMO, – but should we isolate specific facts, it gets very difficult for me to reconcile the official account with practical reality. Sure, I have no problem with Flight 93 breaking up due to excessive stress on the airframe. (Hell, put me at the controls and I guarantee it.) The testimony of the eyewitnesses at Indian Lake would support such an idea, but it would also support the theory of a missile strike. So which do you go with? In this case, my problem comes when you find a piece of an engine that weighs 1000 lbs a mile away – not the whole thing. Given the two possible scenarios – aerodynamic stress or the inconvenience of several pounds of PBXN-3 detonating nearby – I think Friar William would put his chips on the latter. If it were me, I’d be asking the lab boys if they found any trace of titanium fragmentation rods…
And from the for-what-it’s-worth department, overhead pictures of the impact site show a cross-sectional outline in the dirt, with the shape of the fusleage and wings clearly visible, so it seems unlikely that the forward portion of the craft had broken up. If the thing came apart under stress, I would think at least one of the wings would have fallen victim before impact. As to why a shoot-down might have been in order, a possible scenario is what the British spy-types refer to as a UEC – unexpected cock-up. This part of the operation was unraveling for reasons we will likely never know. Better to abort; take the bird in hand, and shoot the one in the bush – at $84,000.00 a copy, AIM-9M’s are cheap insurance, assuming that’s what happened.
Now then, having done exactly what I said I wasn’t going to do, I’m going to close up – and maybe to work – and wait for our gentle moderator to give his preference.
And should I find a copy of Uranus’ job description, I will forward same.
Persona non grata
Oct 20, 2007
We have nothing tho fear but gumballs themselves.
Baaah.
Anonymous
Oct 21, 2007
Jeff Hoyt.
Wow.
I found this blog on the 24th of June, 2007, by typing “economic collapse” into that little box on the Google page. (What kind of lost soul does things like that?) That’s where I started. I checked a few older topics here and there and I saw your name pop up enough times to appreciate your debating style but judging by that link that you just gave me, I’ve missed a lot.
I watched the Aaron Russo “Mad as Hell” show and started to read some of the comments but I feel it would take days to catch up. I don’t want to get a Bill Gates hunch in my back. It’s too bad because I think I would have liked to get in on some of that discussion. I have some thoughts about freedom that I didn’t see come up anywhere.
One thing I did read that caught my imagination. You were talking about the tax laws and how their complexity made the Gordian Knot look like a half hitch. I had a thought. Nobody remembers how that knot was tied or what purpose it served even though it must have taken many academics and tradesmen a long time to create it. People do however remember that it didn’t take Alexander long to figure out how to undo it. He didn’t worry about offending their pride by not exhibiting an appropriate state of awe for their knot nor did he worry about looking stupid for taking such a simplistic approach. He knew that they were the stupid ones for wasting so much time trying to figure out a problem of their own making when the solution was just a quick stroke of the blade.
To solve a problem, sometimes it only takes confidence and will. He didn’t discuss it with them first or have debates or talk, talk, talk, he just whipped out his sword and whacked it. Something to think about.
Anyway, let’s see what the boss has to say about the 9/11 debate.
Bob
Oct 21, 2007
The previous posting is from me, Bob.
Signed
Bob
Bob
Oct 21, 2007
If it comes up, that is. It was adressed to Jeff Hoyt.
Bob
Oct 21, 2007
Please tell me that it wasn’t lost.
Bob
Oct 21, 2007
Okay, that’s it. I can’t take the stress of wondering what’s happening to my postings anymore. From here on in, I’m going to write my comments somewhere else and paste them here when they’re finished. Some of them are like my babies. I think I forgot to put my name on that one. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaagggghh!
Bob
Oct 21, 2007
I wonder how many computers Elvis would have shot if they had been around back then.
Michael Hampton
Oct 21, 2007
You’re using Tor. That means about 2/3 of the time your comments are going to be held for approval due to the high volume of spammers using Tor. You are also not putting in an email address, (and you’re probably not even using cookies) which means the system can’t inform you that the comments have been held for approval.
Bob
Oct 21, 2007
I lost it once before going back for info. Had to retype it from memory. Now it’s gone again. I’ll try to resurrect it tomorrow if it still hasn’t shown up.
Jeff Hoyt
Oct 21, 2007
I don’t know about anybody else, but I’m enjoying this. We have someone new who knows how to spell – or how to use spellchecker – and has enough respect for self and others to do so.
Stick around, Bob. As you can tell, your stuff is making it through, eventually.
We’ve heard from Michael, but no comment was made about discussing this further here. While preferring to wait, I’ll risk the presumption that a short comment regarding the insider I mentioned earlier will be okay.
Found the name of the guy that made the speech. Following is a shamelessly cut-and-pasted portion of an article found at “thetruthseeker” website – see, I’m so lazy I won’t even bother with getting the link through the filters… The article is dated May 12, 2006.
“Last Saturday, former Bush administration official Morgan Reynolds drew an enthusiastic capacity crowd to the Wisconsin Historical Society auditorium. It is probably the first time in Historical Society history that a political talk has drawn a full house on a Saturday afternoon at the beginning of final exams.
Reynolds, the former director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis, and the ex-top economist for George W. Bush’s Labor Department, charged the Bush administration with gross malfeasance, and proposed the prosecution of top administration officials.
Despite the prestigious speaker and venue, and the gravity of the charges aired, for most Americans, indeed most Madisonians, the event never happened. Why? Because it was censored, subjected to a total media blackout. Not a word in the State Journal. Not a word in The Capital Times. Not a word on the local TV news. Not a word on local radio news. And, of course, not a word in the national media.
Why the blackout? Because Reynolds violated the ultimate U.S. media taboo. He charges the Bush administration with orchestrating the 9/11 attacks as a pretext for launching a preplanned “long war” in the Middle East, rolling back our civil liberties, and massively increasing military spending.”
Now then, what does this prove? Nothing, other than the fact that it isn’t true that no one who’s been involved with the current administration is talking about 9/11 being an inside job.
Incidentally, my mention of truthseeker isn’t intended as an endorsement.
Bob
Oct 21, 2007
Thanks for the details, Michael Hampton. Your comment wasn’t there when I signed off. I’ll try to keep it together next time.
Bob
Oct 21, 2007
Okay Jeff, I’ve got another one on deck. If we get the go ahead from Michael, I’ll post it. Don’t worry about checking up on Uranus. He must have retired. Michael says a God named Tor is doing his job now.
Bob
Oct 23, 2007
I’m ready to move to another site or shut up if Michael says so, but I can’t hold it any longer. (I hope you’re ready, it’s a long one.)
Let’s assume for argument’s sake that you are right. The WTC collapse was a government orchestrated event. Now let’s look at the groundwork involved in planning something on that scale and bear in mind that every part of the plan would have required absolute secrecy and a fallback cover story in the event of discovery or accident.
Demolition plans would have had to have been engineered and worked out prior to the planting of the charges. A crew would have had to have been assembled to actually carry out the work in the towers. They would have needed to acquire enough explosives and detonators to do the job, a computer system capable of timing the detonations and transmitting multiple frequencies (if the detonators were wireless) and a place relatively close by where the computer and transmission equipment could have been stored and operated. It also would have been necessary to transport the explosives and all other related supplies to a place reasonably close to the WTC for storage. When you work on any project you need your materials close to the jobsite for practical reasons. There would have been a need for two way communication during the operation. It would have been absolutely necessary for the detonation frequencies and the communication frequencies to be unusable and undetectable by the general public, local police and fire departments, air traffic, naval traffic and any National Guard or military personnel in the area. The signals could have been scrambled but that would have only meant more equipment on the detonation end and, over that length of time, the possibility of interfering with local signals during communications would have been a high risk.
If you want to blame the Bush administration, you must acknowledge that they only had at most, 8 months to do the job. During that time, the engineers were employed and paid. The work crew was fed, housed and paid. The explosives and detonators (a large quantity-each floor was an acre in size) were manufactured, paid for, transported and stored. A base of operations was established and dismantled after the job. During the eight months of operations, not one stray radio signal was heard and even after the fact, under a veil of suspicion, not one member of the public has come forward and said “hey, I saw or heard something”. Everyone involved in the work must have been fully aware of what they were doing because not one of them has come forward since the event and blown the whistle or shown remorse regarding the part that they may have unwittingly played……with the exception of Morgan Reynolds who knows all about it but doesn’t know any details and wasn’t involved in any criminal way.
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That’s not all. While all this was going on, somehow the US government was secretly manipulating Mohammed Atta and the boys into taking flight training and planning the hijackings. Their plans would have had to mesh perfectly with the demolition crew working and waiting in New York. The terrorists never would have acted if they had been aware of the fact that they were puppets of the Great Satan. That was quite a deception and extremely risky considering that the whole operation hinged on the timing of those aircraft impacts.
Now let’s throw in the attack on the Pentagon and assume that there was some similar type of organization and planning involved there although on a much smaller scale. There also must have been an overall command base somewhere, overseeing all operations, if we are to believe that a problem was detected with Flight 93 and a jet or missile was standing by, in the air, ready to receive the order to shoot the passenger jet down. That state of readiness must have then also been the case with all of the other hijacked jets. This whole end of the operation would have also encountered the same problem with radio frequencies experienced at the Twin Towers. This was a BIG operation and would have involved A LOT of people. I know that they can scramble transmissions but the amount of radio traffic necessary to run this type of enterprise would have once again been a considerable risk.
It all went off without a hitch (except for Mr. Reynolds). That’s hard for me to believe. There are also rumors of the hijacked jets landing beforehand and offloading their passengers. More planning, more timing, more people. Where are those people? If they were killed by the CIA to keep them quiet, why weren’t they just left on the planes? When a plane is unloaded after an unscheduled landing in a busy airport, isn’t it likely that someone would see something or say something? They say it was a missile that hit the Pentagon. Where was it fired from? It takes a crew or an aircraft to fire a missile, how did they keep that secret? Why wouldn’t the dozens of airport radar installations in the area have picked something up? Was that covered up too? Where are the air traffic controllers and how did they keep all of them quiet? Every question here raises the possibility for more people to have been involved but to this day, they’ve all been kept quiet. Big question; when this level of secrecy was obviously maintained with that many random members of the public directly involved with the events of that day, IS it likely that a high ranking government official (Morgan Reynolds) would have been let in on the operation if he was NOT directly involved? If he was involved, why hasn’t he been prosecuted? It is more likely that his statements were motivated by the possible fact that he had an axe to grind with the Bush administration and took the opportunity (paid for by the Wisconsin Historical Society) to sling some mud in their direction. Maybe they laid him off a month short of his pension.
I’m sorry; but it is just easier for me to believe that this job was pulled off by a bunch of wingnut, suicide hijackers. It involved only a handful of people, very little money, a simple but workable plan and the motives behind the act along with the suicidal nature of the crime fit perfectly with the Moslem terrorist way. To make it more believable, their attack didn’t go as planned. They didn’t get the Whitehouse and they didn’t do much damage to the Pentagon. It is not a stretch to reason that the terrorists would have expected a US reprisal after a successful attack, knowing full well that any military action in the Middle East leads to a dramatic increase in the price of oil. That is where they get their money isn’t it? That just adds to their motive. If the plan had leaked out in that social circle, it is more than likely that the holder of that information would not have cared about the infidel victims and would have moved to profit from the attack if possible. That explains the profitable stock market activity just prior to 9/11. The towers’ collapsing after the plane impacts was completely possible. Flight 93 could easily have played out just like we talked about earlier. Very few know everything that was going on in the confusion of that day and exactly what was covered up to avoid embarrassment. Because of that, we probably never will know all of the details. That’s normal. Everything else in the government conspiracy theory is more than likely coincidence or just hindsight information bent to give a desired appearance. I just don’t think it was possible for the government to have done this and not left behind a string of undeniable evidence and witnesses.
Your move Jeff.
Michael Hampton
Oct 23, 2007
What the hell does any of this have to do with poisoned gumballs?
Anonymous
Oct 23, 2007
Which comment explains my reticence to procede without the moderator’s blessing…
My apologies to all.
Bob
Oct 23, 2007
Sorry Mr. Hampton. Somebody else started it at #22 and then we just couldn’t shut up about it. No excuses, I will endeavor to not let this sort of thing happen again. Not really much a guy can say about the gumball thing though. It’s just stupid and that pretty much sums it up.
Anonymous
Oct 23, 2007
And then there was silence and they spoke of the planes and the towers and the poisoned gumballs no more. Until…….
thunderbird
Oct 27, 2007
this can’t be real…. it’s like something you would see in weekly world news.
although no one has ever accused the government of being logical or sane.
Bob
Nov 27, 2007
Jeff Hoyt. I would sure like to hear your opinion on post #44. I think I made some good arguments there. I’ve been checking back here everyday. Is there any place we can talk about this on your site Michael Hampton?
If it is obviously something a few of your readers would like to discuss, maybe you could write a piece of your own on the subject that we would be able to comment on. I would like to hear your opinion on the conspiracy theory too, if you are not too busy with the Ron Paul campaign. What’s happening with the Liberty Dollar case?
peter griffin
Jan 12, 2008
heheheheheehheheheheheheehehehhehehehehehe.
Ron paul should be president…