The federal government has tried almost everything in its various bids to get undocumented immigrants out of the country. Now it’s trying something simple and unusual: just asking them to please leave.
Under “Operation Scheduled Departure,” a pilot program set to run tomorrow through August 22 in Charlotte, N.C., Chicago, Ill., Phoenix, Ariz., San Diego and Santa Ana, Calif., illegal immigrants who have been ordered deported and who have no criminal records will be able to turn themselves in at local Immigration and Customs Enforcement offices in those cities.
Anyone who does so, ICE officials say, will not be arrested and will be given 90 days to wrap up their affairs and leave the country. In some cases, they may be required to wear electronic tracking bracelets. Such individuals would be able to avoid the risk of being picked up in a raid and going through the government’s convoluted, time-consuming, often unjust excuse for a justice system while their families starve.
[ICE director Julie Myers] said the idea derived from a common complaint voiced by immigrant detainees: If given the opportunity, they’d rather just go home than be holed up in immigration prisons. . . .
“It’s pure fantasy,” said Doug Rivlin, spokesman for the National Immigration Forum in Washington. “An attempt to entice people to sign away their rights and get out of the country as quickly as possible before even talking to a lawyer.”
If people truly wanted to leave on their own, they’d buy their own bus or plane ticket home without checking in with ICE first, Rivlin said.
Ira Mehlman, spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, the country’s largest anti-illegal-immigration lobby group based in Washington, said he’d have to concede that point.
The government would have to offer some kind of incentive to entice immigrants to sign up, such as telling them that by leaving voluntarily they would be allowed to apply to come back legally, Mehlman said. — San Antonio Express-News
Interestingly, this plan might actually work. Word has certainly gotten around by now about the injustice perpetrated on the immigrants picked up in the May 12 Agriprocessors raid in Postville, Iowa, where hundreds of illegal immigrants were railroaded into pleading guilty to trumped-up charges in an on-site temporary court which resembled an assembly line.
This may be part of the reason why illegal immigrants are now leaving the country on their own in droves. From August 2007 to May, the estimated number of illegal immigrants in the country dropped from 12.5 million to 11.2 million according to the Center for Immigration Studies. CIS “seeks fewer immigrants but a warmer welcome for those admitted,” according to its Web site.
Another part of the reason may be economic. Despite claims to the contrary, the U.S. economy was already headed south in mid-2007 and the pace of decline is only accelerating now. And when jobs leave, the workers must follow.
“The problem is it’s difficult to know what’s causing a change like this,” says Tamar Jacoby, president of ImmigrationWorks USA, an organization of employers nationwide lobbying for comprehensive immigration reform. “But the one thing we know for sure is that the country is in a deep economic downturn, if not a recession, which means there’s much less need for workers, especially those providing services for the middle class.”
“Immigration is a market-driven phenomenon and that’s why immigration is beneficial to the economy,” she says. “When we need them, they come; and when we don’t, they go home. Has enforcement had some effect? Perhaps. But there’s no question that the economic downturn would in and of itself have a huge effect in attracting fewer [illegal immigrants] and sending more home.” — Christian Science Monitor
ImmigrationWorks USA, a federation of pro-immigration business coalitions, lobbies against anti-immigration legislation which it says hurts small business owners.
The truth is likely to lie somewhere in between. Rats jump off a sinking ship before the captain even knows anything is wrong. Immigrants leaving the country on their own is either a sign of hard economic times ahead, or stepped-up worksite enforcement, or perhaps some of both.
How many of the estimated 572,000 illegal immigrants who qualify for Operation Scheduled Departure actually leave will give a good indicator as to which is the major cause of illegal immigrants heading south. Though I’ll predict in advance that, as someone once said, it’s the economy, stupid.
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> By defeating an immigration reform bill in Congress last year, opponents
> sent the message that more enforcement was needed before they would
> consider reform. The message seems to have been heard. Stepped-up
> enforcement against illegal aliens and their employers has caused the U.S.
> illegal immigrant population to drop by 11 percent in the past year,
> according to a new report by the Center for Immigration Studies. While a
> slowing economy has been a factor, the center reports that the decline
> began before the economic downturn
>Tough enforcement might seem heartless, but it is a necessary step toward
ending the still-pervasive notion that it’s OK to enter this country
illegally. It isn’t. It doesn’t benefit any of us to have millions of
people living here whose first act in the country was to break one of its
laws. The lax attitude also isn’t good for the lawbreakers. Illegal aliens
exist in a shadow world of limited opportunity that can lead to them being
taken advantage of.
Only when strong enforcement has established that illegal entry won’t be
tolerated can the United States increase immigration quotas. Only then can
Congress consider such measures as the DREAM Act, which would allow those
brought here illegally as children the chance to apply for citizenship if
they live in the United States several years, finish high school and show
“good moral character.”
The United States prides itself on being a nation of immigrants, not a
nation of lawbreakers. Strict enforcement of immigration laws, plus a
policy that provides more people the opportunity to legally enter this
country, will help the nation hold on to this tradition.
Polls overwhelmingly show citizens want jobs available only to legal
residents. It appears the Democratic leadership in power, given their
opposition to E-Verify legislation, cares more about illegal immigrants
acquiring and keeping jobs rather than citizens. This position is misguided
and shows a lack of real concern for our legal resident workers, versus the
rhetoric about concern for workers.
“Tradition” implies that this is something that’s been going on a long time and that is generally a good thing. You’ll get plenty of disagreement on the latter, even on this site, but it’s the former I want to address.
Aliens living in the U.S. weren’t even required to register with the government until 1940, and the first green cards were issued in the 1950s. That hardly seems to qualify as a tradition.
If the law is wrong, I couldn’t care less if someone is breaking it. If the law is wrong, I’ll actually encourage people to break it.
Why should I care if it doesn’t “benefit any of us” to have them here? Other people don’t exist for your benefit.
The only reason “illegal” immigrants are stuck in that “shadow world of limited opportunity” is because of their illegal status—get rid of stupid laws and that problem is solved. It’s the same as drug prohibition: People are going to do it anyway, but if you outlaw it, you also remove the protection that the legal system affords (e.g., to arbitrate disputes), and thus you create a violent black market.
“Polls overwhelmingly show citizens want jobs available only to legal
residents.” Thanks for reminding me why democracy is evil. Two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner, indeed.
I think I know why ICE came up with this plan, see my name’s link for the details. If I’m right, this might be one of the few times they’ve actually done something in the best interests of the U.S.
P.S. For some reason the ‘Website’ field was set to jraxis.com when I loaded this form.
I think I know why ICE came up with this plan, see my name’s link for the details. If I’m right, this might be one of the few times they’ve actually done something in the best interests of the U.S.
P.S. For some reason the ‘Website’ field was set to jraxis.com when I loaded this form.
P.P.S. Search for her name at my site for more on Ms. Jacoby.
it seems to me that the only people that dont like throwing illegals out are those that dont see firsthand how it is destroying out country. spend a day at L.A. county hospital, or at L.A. county jail, or at a L.A. city school or any other southern state facility and see how many millions of YOUR dollars are spent. i can hosestly say i have seen it, and it makes me sick. our country is big economic trouble and we need to cut the waste. this is one way to make a dent. oh just in case you call me racist, im refering to all illegal aliens. its just a fact that most are of south american descent.
The problem is the federal government isn’t throwing those illegal immigrants out. It’s letting the welfare queens and the hospital abusers stay as long as they like and suck off as much as they can.
Instead, the government is throwing out the ones who are working to try to feed their families, paying taxes and contributing to your Social Security and Medicare because they’ll never see a dime of it.
Seems a bit counterproductive to me, is all.
One has to wonder why no US citizens were at the top of the docket for criminal charges. Frankly with that many illegal employees it had to go all the way to the top. The fact that the CEOs were not on the docket would show a lack of due process.
I also have been in court many times with defendants who did not speak English. I also have experienced court with defendants who did have a full command of the English language. Some of these did not read and write at a functional level. I have seen the judges do the right thing and insure that the defendant was afforded all of their rights. And I can tell you timewise what happens.
If the defendant can’t read then it always takes at least twice as long. If the defendant doesn’t have a full command of the English language but kind of speaks English it takes about 6 times longer. If by chance the person basically speaks no English it takes 15-20 times longer. I have seen pleas take several hours to complete when the person was from out of the country and didn’t speak English. The fact that many non English speaking defendants were processed with guilty pleas in a single day by each single judge absolutely proves that not even a reasonable facsimile do due process was involved. Much the same that it would be proof that someone was lying if they claimed to have drove from New York to LA in two hours. It can’t be done.
Yes we should be deporting these people, but if we want to criminally prosecute them we should do so according to the law. At this rate of speed one has to wonder if any legal residents or US citizens were in fact convicted or deported.
The problem isn’t illegal immigrants. The problem is illegal immigrants leaching off of a social safety net that shouldn’t exist in the first place, and illegal immigrants committing lucrative crimes because they have no respect for our weak and impotent justice system.
More people would be a good thing if they were all producing and contributing members of society.
When you read Ray’s last post, you have to wonder how many people pretend that they don’t speak English just to get better treatment. There was a time when not speaking English WAS A REASON for getting kicked out of the country. Seems to me that a system like that would work better. More incentive to fit in.
Bob:
I would have to see a cite on your comment about not knowing English getting you kicked out of the country?
I would happen to doubt this. But we certainly do have a lot more support for those who don’t speak English today.
I’ll try to look it up when I have more time, but I always understood that in the early years, it was a requirement for all immigrants to learn English before they would be granted citizenship. Logic would follow that if they didn’t, they wouldn’t be allowed to immigrate.
I’m just basing this on old immigration stories I’ve read and heard.
Do you have any info on this Michael?
Bob:
Oh yes knowing English used to be a requirement for citizenship, but not to immigrate and to have the same status as we call a green card, which has not been green for years. ;-)
Also the old immigrants understood that to make a real success here in the US one has to know English. So they worked very hard in this area. Today they just get a lawyer to yell discrimination if you try and require English as a part of a job.
There is a great deal of difference between being proud of your heritage and insisting that everyone accept and work around the language and customs of your ancestors. We should encourage the first and insist that the second not occur.
On a funnier note, the comedy website had a great feature on the new do-it-yourself approach to immigration- so silly:
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K.T Your post says it all but the driving force is
the fact that Mexico is doing everything it can to
create an Illegal Mexican Nation within the borders
of the USA,by aiding,abetting and even urging its
people to illegally emigrate to the USA calling
them “heroes”and “who will think Mexico first into
the 7th generation” and by changing its laws to
promote dual citizenship inviting U.S.Hispanics
to become Mexican citizens. So…its not Hispanics who
come here legally that outrage U.S. citizens
its people who illegally enter the USA
and that Hispanics are the overwhelming majority of
illegal aliens here who are mostly from Mexico.
ICE: Vanilla ICE officials say,(illegal immigrants), will not be arrested and will be given 90 days to wrap up their affairs and leave the country. Shawn-Earnest: So sweet of “Vanilla ICE officials” ass grabbing criminal immigrants politely to leave our country with that special “Vanilla ICE official cuddling touch”. This is an embarrassment to the American Flag and my constitution. Hey, “Vanilla ICE officials” get some man balls, and stop messing with my man pride making my United States of America Country look like a bunch of mangina’s.
I think they ought to shoot these bastards on sight! Shoot a few and watch the rest scrambled for the border. Let’s get HARDCORE!
We have a Government For The People And By The People….
HAD… Now we have a Government for the corporations, for the lobbyists for the cry babies and by each of these parasites.
I think a revolution might be a healthy step forward. But as long as we keep paying our taxes and being politically correct and polite we will get more of the same to deal with.
Maybe we’ll put a few more border guards in prison for doing their jobs too. Think?
Gary:
I am not sure about doing their job, but what the border guards you are referring to did certainly did not deserve jail time, that is for certain. What the guy they shot did certainly did deserve jail time. Apparently from what I can see what the US Attorney did also deserves jail time for them and not the guards.
It is time that our justice system did pay more attention.
Everything is skewed toward wage suppression and to do that you need bodies off the books willing to work in violation of labor laws and OSHA Regulations. This is a windfall for companies hiring them and a kick in the balls to the tax system and local communities as well as our healthcare system and justice system.
We need to just keep up the pressure on DC and when we find questionable employees, not patronize that business and even turn them in. It is past time to get nasty.
I have a policy on the phone, if you speak in a way I have trouble understanding (foreign accent) I hang up and then e-mail that business and complain about it. If you call me on the phone and sound heavy anything except english-same thing. I want businesses to know at least one guy is fed up. They lose business they might start hiring more Americans that speak properly. The tree needs to over-bend the other way.
I’ve cancelled every account I have including my web ISP over foreign workers. Was on Compuserve since 1992. In late May I went with a local ISP after talking to an Indian during a service call. Screw them and screw that!
I deal with English speaking Americans only.
Glen
That sounds good Glen, and in part I agree with you, but…
If employers are forced to hire only American workers at wages that they are willing to do the work for and on top of that have to tolerate the work ethic of the average 22 year old, we’re equally screwed. If you think prices are going up now, you would find prices in the new system insane.
Come on down to Crazy Eddie’s where the prices are insaaaaaane!
This continent was built on, with and by immigrants. Most of them had a hell of a time speaking english when they got here but they learned, and their kids learned, because the system insisted on it and encouraged it.
It’s our system that has changed. It’s broken and can’t be fixed. I’ve got no use for someone who comes in and leaches off the government for everything they can get, but at the same time, I have no use for a government that allows it.
I do however, have a hard time finding any fault with someone who is willing to do a days work to try and feed themselves. If they don’t mind a lower standard of living, that’s a feather in their cap as far as I’m concerned. They keep the prices of the things I need affordable.
Good fortune and luxury are great things if you have them but the lifestyle isn’t a right. We’re spoiled. At one time, we were a lean, mean, fightin’ machine and earned what we got but now we are fat and lazy, trying to make money for nothing on our investments while others do the dirty work.
Tsk, tsk. We’re gonna pay man.
Hi Bob,
I have zero against LEGAL immigration or Legal immigrants. Legal being the keyword. That said; the tree of illegal immigration has been bent so far back that it needs to snap back too far to wipe out the excesses.
We need to say no and mean it and should we get into a depression I fear that the illegals and even some legals mistargeted might find themselves in deep shit by those who badly need work and see them as the problem.
Lower wages is not the answer to our problems. More better jobs and more equal compensation is the answer. You cannot have Execs getting paid 100 or 1000 times the average worker and pay a decent wage. Japan for instance averages Ceo pay at 10X their average worker.
We are starting to look like America 1900 with no unions, low wages, no benefits and CEO’s that rake the cream off the top to live like Kings while their own workers struggle to the max.
Even failing banks and failed business pays out multi-million dollar severance packages to the helmsman who wrecked the company. Only in America is bad performance and even fraud rewarded while the employees get boned.
We need a strong industrial base that makes things to sell all of us and exports the surplus and we need tariffs on imports from countries that have unfair labor laws, employ children, fail to protect the air, earth and water unless you think China’s air is just fine. Their air and water affects us you know. So does their poisoned food and products.
They do it on the cheap because we allow it. We allow slave labor, child labor, mass infusions of toxic waste onto and into the environment. Karma is a bitch Bob.
A country that has next to nothing to sell brings in next to no income and we call those countries THIRD WORLD because they spend far more than they make and go begging to strangers for loans. Sound like us does it?
Our trade deficit and low wages will destroy us just like it destroyed the Old Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc countries and Germany in 1920…shall I continue the list?
Britannia once ruled the waves, sun never set on British soil until empire got too heavy and it happened to France too. We different? If so, how?
I have much to say. I’ll write it tonight when I have more time.
Missed you big guy!
My husband is illegal and is trying for his papers right now. We have a son toghter he was gone in mexico for 1 1/2 yrs., waiting on his papers. He just came back three weeks and it wasnt with the help of immmagration, it was him crossing over. If we would have waited for them to help us who knows when I would have seen him. So you say shoot them, so if they did then my son and I would be with out. Some of these people have families. He speaks good english, writes and reads very well. They should help the ones who wants a better life by helping them get htere papers so they dont have to sneak over and then they could pay taxes on the money they make and that would help us out here in United States also. My hunsband believes that if they want to stay here they should learn English and not play stupid. And I do agree that there are too many here. But to say hurt them no, they are people too just wanting a better life.
There is a front door to immigration and those using the back door screw it up for those doing the right thing by using the front door.
We are at war so those illegally crossing our borders should have their asses shot clean off. How do we know that folks sneaking across are not Al Qaeda sleepers? Can we tell just by looking?
Did you know we have Mexican Drug Gangs in nearly every major city? They too came in the back door!
ENOUGH IS FRIGGING ENOUGH.
Glen
When folks write please remember I’m not a Liberal or A Republican neither of which are Constitutionalists which I am and we are a weird bunch– Second Amendment and all that with few gray areas.
The Law of The Land, Treaties, Conventions,,,honesty, apple pie, property rights-freedom of speech still means something to me and political correctness, well that’s like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. I just say it as I think it.
If you have to think about a reply you are probably about to lie is how I see it. Shoot from the hip and if they fall down dead tough shit!
As Petty said; “You can stand me up at the gates of Hell and I won’t back down.” Too old to start.
Glen
Finally got some time.
We’re both recognizing the same problems Glen, just looking at them from different angles.
You seem to favor blaming big government and big corporations for our problems. I lay the blame squarely on the shoulders of 85% of the Western population. People are lazy, greedy, stupid, undiciplined, self-centered and completely lacking in any sort of moral compass. They want to be entertained, and don’t want to deal with or recognize problems. People make up the government and all of these qualities are being reflected there. Big corporations are just giving the rest of the dummies what they want, as cheaply as they can, to make a buck. Business has always been that way, it’s just that now it’s being done by people who don’t give a rat’s ass about anything or anybody except themselves. These executives are also lazy, greedy, stupid, and undiciplined. What do you expect the free world to be like when most people are idiots?
Un name’s story above is a good illustration of the point I was trying to make in my previous post. If she is working here to support herself and her son is cutting lawns and running a paper route while they wait for Dad to cross the border and get a job to help out, I don’t care if they are here legally or not. This country is better off for having them.
BUT, if she is living here on welfare, while the kid goes to public school and they’re waiting for Dad to come pick peaches for under the table pay so they can buy some better drugs and maybe a tattoo, then by all means, start blastin’.
Take out a few of the politicians that allow it to happen too, while you’ve got your camo paint on.
Un name.
Wanting a better life is a good thing and I respect that. But if someone wants a better life at the expense of someone else, it’s wrong. I’ve never agreed with the idea that just because someone has more than me, it means that he owes me some.
Taxes are extorted in the free world from working people who could use the money for their own purposes. They earn the money, it’s their money. When that money is taken by force and then wasted or given to people who do nothing for it but look pitiful and stick their hand out because they want a better life, it justifiably causes a lot of hard feelings.
I hope you are earning your way. Good luck to you if you are.
We are at war are we not? Guarding the fort is always the FIRST thing one does to eliminate threats of a 3RD Column action. We really need to do this.
Immigrants Please Use The Front Door! Those who use the back door are causing problems and draining OUR resources. You are stealing, Not just from the United States, but from ALL those coming in or trying to legally. Sorry Bob, that is my stand.
Here are recent facts, revealed by none other than the Los Angeles Times, the truth teller in one of America’s unofficial “sanctuary cities” for illegal aliens.
40 percent of all workers in L.A. County (10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
95 percent of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
75 percent of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
Nearly 35 percent of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
The FBI estimates half of all gang members in Los Angeles to be illegal aliens from south of the border.
Nearly 60 percent of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.
Of 10.2 million people in L.A. County, 5.1 million speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
All these alarming facts have been duly reported by the newspaper >>that favors current sanctuary-promoting Mayor Villaraigosa and makes sure that anti-immigration enforcement demonstrations featuring angry shouts in Spanish and under Mexican flags — in American streets and parks — get ample coverage.<<< So don’t doubt the figures.
Add to those some more recent stats:
Less than 2 percent of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29 percent are on welfare.
Over 70 percent of the United States’ annual population growth (and over 90 percent of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.
29 percent of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.
Are you beginning to see why I can’t get the story of Gulliver out of my mind?
Do you not see America as the benign giant up north that fails to defend its own borders or enforce its own laws, that looks the other way while some of its own citizens actually encourage the influx of illegals to do low-paying jobs, thinking it won’t matter seriously, and simply feeling compassion toward poor Latinos who seek a better life?
Can’t we Americans, uniquely generous and welcoming and compassionate toward those less fortunate, see that our generosity is being horribly abused, that our economy is being overwhelmed, that whatever benefits might have derived from crop pickers and day laborers and kitchen workers have long since been washed away by an avalanche of the illiterate, the unskilled, the dependent, and the even the violent and criminal?
It doesn’t wash that back door illegals are somehow doing us a big favor.
The reference “Gulliver”
The “fairy tale” I refer to is actually a witty satire written by the brilliant author/politician Jonathan Swift in 1726. Because it was such an entertaining piece, it became a famous children’s story; but that was not the original intention of the author. Swift himself said “The chief end I propose to myself in all my labors is, to vex the world rather than divert it.”
That is, he wanted to focus his society on its folly. And that he did, eloquently. But little could he have imagined how accurately he would picture our society in America today. It’s startling. It’s disheartening. And it’s threatening to our very survival.
Remember? In Swift’s satire, a traveler named Gulliver finds himself in Lilliput, surrounded by a race of people universally 1/12 his size. Though he wishes them no harm, and in fact is quite friendly toward the little people, his size intimidates them. So they conspire to get him drunk and lying on the ground — at which time they crawl all over him, staking him to the ground with countless little ropes. And when he comes to, he’s helpless.
You may not yet get the connection.
Thanks for the stats, GlenGary. Now, can you please find some true stats? Most of the ones you posted are false.
Please correct them if you are saying they are wrong for without that your claim has no weight.
I think a conservative in a Liberal Forum is not a good fit so I surrender and leave for I’m wasting your time and you mine. Arguing is not a good lifestyle.
Peace
Ha, you want me to “prove” a bunch of made-up stats you got out of a forwarded email are false? The source is too unreliable to trust the stats.
As for a liberal forum, you are not in one.
Website Info
List of Sections-”Clickable”
For more information, see:
· Chilling Cost of Illegal Alien Immigration
· Welfare Reform and Immigrant Participation in Welfare Programs
· Fiscal Impacts of Undocumented Aliens
· Congressman: ‘Parasitic’ Illegal Aliens Burden U.S. Hospitals
· Hospitals ‘Mugged’ by Illegal Aliens
· The Number and Cost of Immigrants on Medicaid
· Illegal Aliens: The Health Cost Dimension
· ‘Border baby’ boom strains S. Texas
· Hospitals: Aid to offset costs of immigrants is necessary
· Illegal Immigration Costs California $10.5 Billion Annually
· Costs of Illegal Immigration to New Yorkers – $4.5 Billion
· The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Arizonans: Executive Summary
· Illegal Aliens in Federal, State, and Local Criminal Justice Systems
· The Earnings of Male Hispanic Immigrants in the United States
· The High Cost of Cheap Labor – Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget
That ought to keep a speed reader busy for quite awhile.
Dammit Glen, here we go again. We are saying basically the same thing when it comes to pointing out the problems but we have different solutions.
If we didn’t have welfare(which is what I would like to see), we wouldn’t have illegal aliens on welfare. How the hell do you get welfare if you’re not even a citizen or a legal immigrant in the first place? That reeks of incompetence.
Don’t put illegal alien criminals in our jails and pay to keep them, kick them out and execute them if they come back.
Start exterminating gangs.
If we didn’t have free medical, we wouldn’t have people abusing it.
If we had one official language and didn’t cater to people who couldn’t speak it, we wouldn’t have a language problem.
I don’t agree with income tax either so I can’t fault someone for working under the table. As long as they are supporting themselves and supporting our economy by being here, I say glad to have ‘em.
I thought we had already come to the conclusion that national security didn’t have a hope in hell of keeping out terrorists. Haven’t we been pointing that out for a year or so? We just need to stomp the crap out of them when we find them. That would work a whole lot better than walls and expensive security efforts.
It’s OUR laws and our justice system that are causing these problems. That, and OUR “oh the poor so and so’s” attitudes. More harm and injustice has been caused in this world by people feeling sorry for other people and wanting to “help them” than all the wars we’ve had put together. Especially when you figure in that a lot of our wars have been about “helping people”.
We have to start taking care of our own business and let others take care of theirs. That’s basically what Ron Paul has been saying.
I just think we’ve waited too long and it would weaken us too much to try to fix these things now. There are too many outside forces that will finish us off if they have the chance. But whatever, give it a try anyway. Bring it on, I’m tired of waiting for the axe to fall. But I refuse to blame our problems on somebody else. We did this and we have to deal with it.
with for those who follow the rules, it’s no wonder many try to stay under the radar..
(hoping link works, always have trouble with them here, but it’s a NYT article depicting the treatment, ultimately resulting in death, of a Chinese IT professional with 3 children born here, and here legally for 15 years as part of the naturalisation process, due to briefly overstaying a visa).
let me try that link one more time
“The problem is the federal government isn’t throwing those illegal immigrants out. It’s letting the welfare queens and the hospital abusers stay as long as they like and suck off as much as they can.
Instead, the government is throwing out the ones who are working to try to feed their families, paying taxes and contributing to your Social Security and Medicare because they’ll never see a dime of it.”
Michael, that was exactly the subject of the NYT article i tried (unsuccessfully, and i did it according to site policy and the tags we’re allowed to use) to link to, it was a *must read*.. infact i emailed it to you yesterday for possible posting here.
let me try it this way: anyone interested in reading that article should go to the New York Times website and search for the article entitled “Ill and in Pain, Detainee Dies in U.S. Hands”.
why would you think that illegal aliens would self-deport. this is the only country that is going to give them foods stamps, medicaid, fema financial assistance, wic , free school lunch , reduce child care, medicare to old people, sure they’re not going anywhere as long as our government gives them all these incentives why leave … they kick and scream when ice deports them! they will not leave even if you put a gun to their heads. now we are going to hear all the tear jerking sob stories about families being separated first they bring their illegal families here then they have some more kid! now we are suppose to feel sorry no!
i want to go to the usa anyhow,
please show me some way…
“i want to go to the usa anyhow, please show me some way…”
wasn’t that a Frampton song back in the 70’s?
Sudhir: if i wanted to come here legally i’d say the first step would be to contact the US Consulate in your current country of citizenship, they should be able to get the ball rolling. it’s a *longggg* process which many of us here are trying to get streamlined for ya, but at least you’ll be on the books and your future fellow Americans will respect ya for that. and those that don’t are dickheads so feel free to kick their asses, that’s pretty much how we settle things in these parts ;)
(actually i’d wait til i was a citizen for that last bit, for now just take names, hehe :)
Illegal immigration is a scary chain reaction. When people leave to come over to America, mainly Mexico, they are hurting their own countries. In Mexico, there are more and more people that are leaving. This, causes horrible underemployment and plunders the economy of that nation, thusforth, leading more immigrants to come to America for a better life.
I have to do a project on this and it hardly gives me information on what to do like for real what is really good son
to glen gary who at least speaks his mind and not to cater. listen, our ultruistic behavior, especially, towards someone who, right from the first act breaks our laws is ironic. quit mating like a freakin rabbit and sending all your offspring up our way. god damn, your fricken country is loaded with resourses, and just because youall wont take on your corrupt government, we over here are supposed to absorb all your pain. wheres pancho villa, go rescue your country not try to sink ours. we simply shouldnt have to die so you can live.
our immigration problem is actually a world problem.at this point were a combined 8 billion. my point being, thats 8 billion people who all want to have it all. news bullitin.mother natures not happy. its so simple. stop having 8 kids if you cant afford them. responsibility, begins at home people. and your failure to repair is not my fault. as far as coming here illeaglly, i want it to end.i dont have nothing against anybody, but i do feel like the united states is being invaded and being ex military im not too happy about it.
hi me again,look, i like mexican, i love margarritas, i love a good taco, theres much to appreciate from the spanish culture. its just, you cant snow me, the real deal is im modest, hardworking, friendly, etc., but its not enough. in 86., we did the amnesty thing, but, guess what, it changed nothing., not only did millions more come, but now they want amnesty 2,,.. cmon, do mexicans really think were going to continue to sit back , while they bankrupt our hosppitals and drain our moneys trying to incarcerate the bad ones,… lets be realistic, would mexico allow guatamala, to move in to their area. no nonnonon no no no,, only a moron would give free sanctuary to joe new citizen. lets quit being stupid youall
is it really too late? it is so necessary to pander to the mexican vote now in this country. if everything goes as planned, in twenty years we’ll be pulling down old glory and raising the mexican flag. jobs will only hire bilingual, and our country will be completely takin over by a foreign power without a shot fired.
obviously, nobody cares. thats fine. i’m trying to tell youall from experience the negative side. the positive side is clear. many of the illegals are nice, sweet, people you would love, but the fact remains. the illegles, are here to steal our livlihoods, not as the status quo says.. im not actually hating them. the true evil villains are our greddy fricked up own citizens and our government, who dont e-verify and allow our own to be soooo screwed. lets just admit it , weve been beat. ;earn spannish or starve to death americans. you spineless jellyfish
its hard to have a conversation with myself, but, here gos. illegal immigration to a sovereign nation has the same negative effect on said nation, equally, to many of the other criminal actions taken inside said nation. why arrest somebody for stealing? theft can be seen in many ways. why pick in choose laws, that are enforced. united states government, please, stop the flow of illegles. mexico wouldnt put up with it, if it were going the other way and quite frankly, it isnt in any nations best interest, to swallow up another nations poor. people need to fix their own problems at home, instead of imposing on others
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