Protesters gathered Wednesday afternoon at the opening of the RFID in Fashion conference in New York City to urge clothing manufacturers and retailers not to embed tracking chips into articles of clothing.
The industry conference, one of several hosted byRFID Journal magazine, allows clothing manufacturers to learn the state of the RFID industry and meet with RFID suppliers and industry executives. RFID, or radio frequency identification, is a small chip with a unique identifying number which can be read from as far away as 30 feet. The RFID in Fashion conference is being held Wednesday and Thursday at the Fashion Institute of Technology in New York.
But at this conference, the industry is urging clothing manufacturers to embed RFID chips directly into their clothing for purposes of inventory control and loss prevention, known in the industry as item-level tagging, according to consumer privacy expert Katherine Albrecht, who co-authored the book on RFID, Spychips. And that raises what she calls a “privacy nightmare.”
“We’re here to let the industry know that consumers don’t want tracking devices in their clothing,” Albrecht said. “When they embed [RFID] into clothing, or shoes, or other items people wear or carry, they can also put the readers to pick up those signals into floors, doorways, ceiling tiles, anywhere people go, and use them to track and identify people.”
Retailers would create databases linking individual RFID chips to consumers at the point of purchase, creating a database of what each person bought which would allow businesses or governments to keep tabs on every individual passing through a given area. The technology to accomplish this tracking, Albrecht says, has already been developed.
A conference attendee who could not be identified because he is not authorized to speak for his company said that such tags would be decommissioned before the customer left the store. But Albrecht responded that the tags would merely be placed in a dormant state and could be reawakened at any time, as it would be too expensive to use tags which could be deactivated permanently.
“You can’t put your clothing in the microwave to kill these chips, because it could catch fire,” she said.
Some attendees actually stopped to talk with the 14 protesters and present their case. An attendee who could not be identified because he is not authorized to speak for his employer spent nearly an hour talking to protesters and pointing out that RFID has good uses as well. “There’s potential for abuse in everything,” he said. “All of those retailers, all they care about is making sure they have the right products at the right time, and actually saving money.”
Police did not interfere with the protest at all. One off-duty NYPD officer who could not appear on camera for personal safety reasons showed his police ID and pointed out that it contains a tracking device which allows the officer to be located in the event of an emergency. Security staff spoke to Albrecht and told her that they agreed with the protest, she said.
The trouble with databases is that despite every possible precaution, they can fall into the wrong hands. These databases will be an inviting target for today’s criminals, for whom obtaining data is the first step to committing a crime. In addition, once such a database is created, the tracking will inevitably follow. Government will be unable to resist having yet another way to track, monitor and control people, built by hapless companies who are just trying to save a few bucks.
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Sheldon Reich
Aug 15, 2008
I attended the conference and the demonstration elicited more chuckles than acknowledgements. What the protest against EAS says to the retailers is: shoplifters have a right to shoplift and you (the retailer) have no right to use technology to prevent the theft of your merchandise. This same group is “against” supermarket loyalty cards and believes bar codes are the mark of the devil. Privacy concerns are valid, but sorry souls looking for a cause where none exists should spend their time protesting Chinese actions in Tibet or Sudan’s activity in Darfur. Anyone who believes that there is a reason to track them by their underwear is delusional to say the least.
Michael Hampton
Aug 15, 2008
My guess is that you’ll someday eat those words. The protest, as I understand it, was against RFID-enabled EAS, not EAS generally.
As for myself, I want retailers to prevent theft. Theft raises the price I have to pay. I also want retailers to manage their inventory efficiently, as it lowers the price I have to pay.
That said, I’ll pay a premium to not come home from the retailer with an item which can transmit a unique identifier to anybody who manages to set up the proper equipment to read such identifiers, because I know that if the capability is there, someone will abuse it in unforeseen ways. Most likely this would be government, but I can imagine, as a hypothetical example, Old Navy wanting to know what its retail customers bought at The Gap and elsewhere.
This is hardly delusional; it’s historical fact that governments (even here in the good old U.S.A.) spend a lot of time and money on finding new and innovative ways to track people. RFID in an article of clothing is hardly the most efficient way to do it, but since when has government been efficient?
There would be no privacy issue if the RFID tags never left the store, or if they were well and truly dead when they left. But so-called RFID deactivators like the one in the Future Store don’t actually erase enough data from the tag to make it no longer uniquely identifiable, or they simply do effectively nothing. If these problems have been fixed, I am not aware of it.
In the meantime, consumers will have to disable these tags themselves.
Though it’s off topic, as for supermarket loyalty cards, there are indeed some problems with these, not least of which is that the promised cost savings for consumers never appeared; indeed, many stores which implemented these cards now have higher prices overall, even on sale items, compared to stores without loyalty cards.
And I have no idea what you’re talking about with respect to bar codes. I’ve never heard anybody claim they were the mark of the beast. Now, bar codes tattooed on the hand or the forehead might qualify…
Mike
Aug 15, 2008
There is another problem with allowing this technology to become pervasive. That is, people will become numb to it. Just look at how many surveillance cameras are in use today, but hardly anyone notices them. Once RFID becomes pervasive, it will become part of “normal” life. I am particularly against the use of RFID technology to uniquely identify animals as in the USDA’s NAIS program. Broad consumer acceptance of RFID only paves the way for the government to monitor most aspects of my farm and possibly my life.
Jack Lani
Aug 15, 2008
“Eat my shorts” just got a world of new depth of meaning.
Any who think this tracking poses no undue risk or liability are too, too foolish. I won’t even use chips on my dog because of the cancer danger, and these idiots think we’ll wear them on our bodies and place them on our children? Not in this or any other lifetime. Rumsfeld needs to find another means of adding to his fortune rather than being behind giving the population cancer. Gee, I forgot–with his interests in pharmaceutical stocks, he does have multiple financial vested interests in creating disease in Americans, doesn’t he? Let’s boycott permanently ALL companies and retail chains that place unremovable chips in any consumer goods. We could start with sending “broken in tags” to our governors in our state capitols and our congress critters–along with the worn shorts, dirty sneakers (as odorous as possible) and other creatively mailed articles. Nothing less will even get their passing attention.
josh
Aug 15, 2008
I find the first commenter to be tottaly neive. Individual item tracking has huge privicy concerns for me.
And under the guise of terrorism governments will start tracking you.
I and many more will boycott any retailor or brand that uses this tech.
John Whittle.
Aug 15, 2008
So what’s all this talk about RFID and barcodes being the mark of the devil? Maybe someone knows something we should all be looking into as a matter of urgency. I’m serious. I can tell you this much, the E.U. want everything to be chipped; with or without permission from the likes of you and I. Mandates are being enforced to impliment this. I can also tell you that with the introduction of all this RFID and chip technology, what’s happening fits in perfectly with the bible prophecy contained in the book of Revelation, chapter 13 verses 16 and 17. Please don’t take my word for it, read it for yourself. The truth of the prophecy is found and seen in todays events so no-one can push it aside and pretend they didn’t know what is going on, and why. It marks the end-times. Be warned, this is serious.
ellenlangsetmo
Aug 15, 2008
i think that rfid can be used in a responsible maner that it is desighned to be removed physically from the item by the customer after purchese and yes it is technically possible to desighn a tag for an item that would still do a resenable job of preventing the incidence of theift incidentes and be extremaly reliable technecally and be malfuction resistant and durable for an extend period of time and still be removable after the purchese by the customer.
Parallelnormal
Aug 15, 2008
Great topic and discussion, and seeing Katherine Albrecht engaging the engaging in the street.
They’ve all but dropped privacy as an issue at these conferences — I believe the industry considers this question to be “decided.”
Parallelnormal
Aug 15, 2008
oops / that’s “engaging the industry”
eric s.
Aug 15, 2008
Companies that want to put RFID into clothing are just insane in the membrane – it starts there, and it ends with one in your skin because just how much more efficient could government be without having to issue ID cards !? and everyone is for making a more efficient and less tax collecting gov’t !
Don’t take the mark of the beast – Humans are biological, not electronic biology ! Tell the companies ” TRACK THIS !” tell the government to TRACK ITSELF because anybody who’s awake and aware knows government would love for nothing more than you to put on a big set of shackles, pay most of your ‘wages’ to them and be happy about it as if they were your parents!
nick b.
Aug 15, 2008
At Post #1 Sheldon Reich:
Yes, I’m sure that for the conference attendees, being vested in the success of RFID, the protests from the little people outside were amusing indeed.
This is blatantly false and not at all the reason for the protest. To assert, for example, that “RFID can be used to mitigate losses from shoplifting” is not equivalent to “RFID is necessary (or even the most efficient means) to reduce merchandise theft. Indeed, the use of RF technology to monitor and track merchandise does not necessitate the use of a persistent, Globally Unique ID for each item.
So, you’re trying to conflate opposition to supermarket loyalty cards (which, in fact, are used to amass individually traceable purchasing behavior) to superstitious belief. As a privacy advocate, CASPIAN member, and atheist, I call B.S.
I can play this game too; rather than a rational debate concerning the salient points, I too can question your motives and tar your statements as disengenuous rubbish. To wit, are you the Sheldon Reich associated with Cybra and MarkMagic?
Wow. So we should all wait until government and or corporate power over our lives and/or privacy exceed the abuses of third world dictators before we complain? Never considered that; excuse while I go unlock the front door and head off to bed …
And here we have it again folks: rather than rationally address the privacy concerns of RFID opponents, we’ll just tar them all with the brush of ignorance and paranoia. Is argumentum ad hominem the best we can do?
Nick
P.S. first post here; hopefully didn’t munge it up trying to use the xhmtl tags …
Cheryl Allen
Aug 16, 2008
How powerful are these radio frequency identifying devices better known as rfid’s? Are they as powerful that just like they can turn your phone on from a long way off they can turn your rfid on or off and download info from a distance. If so it is a rfid that they plan on embedding into a microchip that will then be implanted into humans for keeping track of them. Visit youtube and type in: Tracking terror: the chipping of the American Public. and keep in mind Revelation 13:16-18. Note: vs 18 tells about 666 and 6 X 3 = 18. Vs. 18 is the verse that mentions 666. The microchip for personal use will have two sixes built into it and then they add two more sixes, your social security number, your area code, and the three digit code for the country you are from. Then they will download all your personal info, your financial info, and your medical info. The test spoken of at Rev. 3:10 will come on all people on the planet. Read Rev.2:10; 14:9-11; 15:2; 16:2; 19:19,20; 20:4 and John 17:3 and Luke 17:29,30. Note Rev. 16:2 speaks of terrible sores all over your body. Luke 21:25-28;
martin lauchenauer
Aug 16, 2008
Hi to everybody…
And congratulation to Dr. Katherine Albrecht and her staff for their resentless work and publications…
In Switzerland we are fighting against the decision of the Government and Parliament to get RFID-Passports and ID-Cards by 2010 with biometric datas on it.
Here is the webpage
(The site is mostly in German language – but also partially in French).
IN CASE THIS COMMENT IS REACHING DR: KATHERINE ALBRECHT….
FREEDOMCAMPAIGN SWITZERLAND IS TRYING TO REACH YOU TO GET THE PERMIT TO LINK TO YOUR SPYCHIPS-SITE…
UNTIL NOW, THIS WAS UNFORTUNATELY NOT POSSIBLE….
IT SEEMS DR: CATHERINE IS TOOOOOOOOO BUSY…
If you get this message send a short message, indicating that you allow linking officially to your site to:
info@freiheitskampagne.ch
(Info freedom campaign Switzerland).
Best greetings martin lauchenauer
PS: I have contacts to people already Mikrochipped – by force, against their will “as Guinea Pigs” by the US-Military & Secret Service Complex – and are followed and harrassed continually by this crazy GANGSTERS….
send a short email
martin lauchenauer
Aug 16, 2008
RFID-Zappers to permanently DESTROY RFID-Microchips….
By openeing above page, you will get a warning from your browser… do not hesitate… it is because it is on a httpS-Site and not on a http-site (which is common).
There you learn to build your own RFID-Zapper to destroy permanently RFID-Chips by an electrical “shock”…
You will learn to make your own device….
Happy new brave world…
Greetings
martin
Bill S
Aug 16, 2008
Great discussion, and great response to 1st comment.
Does anyone know where there’s a list of manufacturers that currently use RFID tags? I’d like to know whom I can avoid/boycott.
Jo
Aug 16, 2008
NASA has put out an article concerning the next giant solar storm that is supposed to be 50% stronger than the last one experienced in 1958. What does this have to do with RFID? 1958 was indeed a simpler world. We now have satellites, cell phones, computers…and RFID chips. Apparently this next solar storm bears watching, since it may be strong enough to incapacitate (fry) electrical devices. The magnetic radiation from this storm may also burn anyone from the inside-out that is wearing an implanted microchip. This also includes all the thousands of wild and farm animals (who have no voice), that may already be chipped, for tracking purposes,(Rev. 6:8). The NASA article can be found at:
Another interesting article that hails from Australia: Once you read and fully comprehend this second article, the first one from NASA becomes very clear.
In a nutshell, while placing RFID chips in shoes, on clothing, or computers may seem like a good precaution against theft, we all know that our government will jump on this as a form of ID at some point in the future. Real ID, the microchipping of our licenses, is just the beginning.
Anonymous
Aug 17, 2008
There is alot of work going on now to combine the RFID/EAS technology to create a kill switch for RFID Tags. Keep in mind that RFID chips that are approved for use are passive tags that really only have a read range of 10ft or so. So yes if you really wanted to read something, you would have to have some kind of super reader that can really tune its signal to every single RFID Enabled chip and that is just way too much data.
Also if there is an RFID chip in your clothes, just cut it our after you buy it…how difficult is that?
If I am reading things correctly, the RFID kill tags (With the EAS functionality) look like they are going to be piloted at some point next year. That really eliminates privacy concerns as you are now just looking at a barcode
Andy
Aug 17, 2008
So what happened to putting the “almost impossible to remove” sticker with the re-active metal band(ala Sensormatic) onto products. Imbedding the chip is just a means of tracking, whay does it need to be there after the product leaves the retailer? I call it government surveillance.
Enigman
Aug 17, 2008
I watched the video clip where one of the proponents of the RFID technology is defending his position to one of Katherine’s fellow protesters. This guy tries to make his case by stateing that the RFID chips in the clothing would contain only numbers that are not tied to him personally. Wrong! The minute the consumer purchases that RFID chipped product and the product is first scanned and then the consumer’s credit card is scanned to pay for that product, voilla, the connection exists. Then, as Katherine says in her arguement that scanners are placed all over town in stores, office buildings, in doorways and walls, “they” can then track that innocuous number and tie it back to you.
This is scarry stuff folks. Privacy is out the window. From permits to drive a vehicle to permits to owning a gun to cameras that spy on you at street corners to data stored about you in your banks, your medical centers, even your foodstores, privacy is nothing more than a seven-letter word.
The government already tells us how to live, where to live, how much land to live on and how much money we can keep. Personally, I’m sick of it all. I just want to be left alone. I can and will take care of myself. I don’t want anyone telling me how I can live my life, where I can go, what I can do, or how I can do it.
Remember people, it’s all about control. It’s about controlling the masses and controlling the individuals. RFID gives way too much control to way too many people who want that control.
Joe
Aug 17, 2008
In reply to 17. Anonymous:
“Also if there is an RFID chip in your clothes, just cut it our after you buy it…how difficult is that?”
RFID chip the size of a grain of rice (or much smaller, with nano-tech) sewn into a seam or hem of clothing (or whatever), could be impossible to find without destroying the item, not to mention the time it would take.
What about RFID chips embedded in shoe soles, car tires, government issued IDs?… the tracking possibilities are nearly endless.
J.
Aug 17, 2008
I work with RFID. The individual chips are not the problem. These can be easily reprogrammed via a device you can build at home. Once reprogrammed with, say all zeros, it doesn’t fall within a valid data base any longer. The same device can be installed at point of purchase. Certain EAS companies and retail groups do not want to do this because the resulting database as a marketing tool is invaluable. The lost revenue from the ability to sell and use that information would be incalculable.
The problem with RFID is the transmitter and receiver antenna arrays. When we work on them (within a 12ft range)in a power on state we are advised to limit our exposure to them to thirty minutes per day.
Once the technology becomes pervasive, it will be nearly impossible to accomplish this. When every hallway, doorway, portal to subway, etc has these functioning, where will you go? If you work within a small shop with the register next to the door and an RFID enabled EAS system is at your door, you’ll never be beyond that 12ft “safety” zone.
I can personally testify that when you are within 2ft of a transmitter that is operating at full power, you can feel the part of your body closest to the transmitter actually become warm. The sensation is similar to an infrared heat lamp.
Originally RFID was targeted at large logistics facilities where human exposure would be nil as nearly all sorting and routing was automated. RFID made these tasks more efficient and accurate.
IMHO, that is where this technology should remain. It should not be in areas where humans are present.
J.
Aug 17, 2008
Response to Bill S.:
“Does anyone know where there’s a list of manufacturers that currently use RFID tags? I’d like to know whom I can avoid/boycott.”
Bill,
Gillette and Walmart are at the forefront of pushing RFID on the American consumer. Home Depot is involved as well, and to a lesser extent, Lowes. There are apparel companies out there, but they tend to be most active in Europe.
You can look at a store called Karstadt here.
Mike Smith
Aug 18, 2008
Sheldon (the third) Reich in comment #1, I’m sure you would have made a “good german” in the 1930s.
Retailers can currently already use anti-theft devices, ones that don’t have all the capabilities to track and catigorize all their customers on a long term basis nor the ability to let others tune in too.
You sir don’t deserve the freedom our forefathers won and preserved for us since you are happy to give it away. Shame!
ellenlangsetmo
Aug 18, 2008
maybe i did not make myself clear first off i think there should be no rfid of any kind in real id airport card or credit card. second off i think that any rfid used in merchendise should be desighned so it can easely with practical and easy and not challenging effert be able to be easely removed by the custumer or recipiant of the merchendise.there is technoligy out there that can acomplish this goal often times using less gross or net resources then reguler tags and barcodes. thirdly ithink they shouldnot putor embed anytag reguler or rfid into merchendise.fourthas badas rfid is fluoride andforced psychmeducations are worse
estevan
Aug 18, 2008
Thanks, Katherine, for all you do for us. Your tireless, selfless efforts MAY someday pay off. I sure hope so. Lemme know if any protests are coming to Portland, Oregon. I’ll be there.
This American
Aug 18, 2008
There is a WAR ON PRIVACY being waged now against every common citizen on the planet (though Elitist money changers and their cronies will have the means to not be a subjected part of it.) What will have to happen as a response is that just like radar detectors and jammers etc. are used against radars, technologically savvy citizens will have to start thinking about employing *tracking* jammers and detectors that allow citizens to find and destroy these MARK OF THE BEAST devices used by Elitist factions. I see the potential for a whole industry to spring up to fight this War on Privacy. Already now one can find made in China jammers and frequency analyzers that can help citizens locate these ‘bugs’. I can see the ads now: “Who ya gonna call” for protecting your privacy rights… call”BUG busters”!!!
ellenlangsetmo
Aug 18, 2008
you protesters out there you have got the right idea keep up the fight aguanst bad rfid.well i know that bad rfid is just the start. i have inside knoledge that they will use tracking technoligies such as bad rfid and other technoligies including variues cards and recordes to gather information they are doing that it today allready in variuos forms the end goal is to use the data and lists and derectories to develop and then administer technoligies like mind control psych drugs gmo population control to control the population and bring in the new world order.did you know that a commen sideeffect of psych drugs isto cause ones left hand to shake from the brain
Jeff Hoyt
Aug 18, 2008
There are a number of good arguments being made here, but I’m going to keep mine brief – for me, at least…
As you drive through mountainous areas, it isn’t unusual to see the remains of core drilling where explosive charges were placed to break up the rock. The same stuff they dropped down those holes has been used to break up a lot of roads, bridges, and human bodies. Point is, anything with the potential for good or evil, when placed in the hands of man, will have a greater potential for evil.
Instead of RFID chips, how about we go back to teaching our children not to steal in the first place? Or is that too much trouble?
searchert
Aug 19, 2008
this has nothing to do with theft stealing or anything else. No matter the hardship Anything I find that even rumored to carry an rfid chip. No matter how bad it hurts, even if I have to limit food intake I will I wil grow my own. No Fucking one or thing has a right to spy on me or any orther law abiding American. Do it and you will surley ruin your business.
As a matter of fact we should boycot in the grounds of you bein lapdogs for the New world order demons.
Bob
Aug 19, 2008
Right on the money Jeff.
This American
Aug 19, 2008
What happens on every birthday, Christmas, etc. where someone buys a RFID’d item and then gives it as a gift? Would someone to whom I’ve given some tagged shoes walk around being ID’d as ME??? Now multiply that by millions or billions. I can just see a giant FUBAR mess of mistaken idenity on the horizon. It’s time to stop this technology dead in it’s tracks. ANY privacy hating company Wal-mart, etc. whomever MUST be held accountable NOW. Let the BOYCOTTS commence!!! STOP THE WAR ON PRIVACY NOW!!!!
Radioboy
Aug 21, 2008
Katherine Albrecht is a shameless sell-promoter only interested in selling books and making money. She makes things up to suit her point of view, uses gross exagerrations, half-truths and is just plain disingenuous in my opinion. She is making a career out of scaring people and making money while she does it. Shame on her. Truth of the matter is…RFID is not an evil technology. What the hell does the government care about where Katherine is and what she’s doing? The only reason they would care is if she were doing something criminal. It’s a bit ludicrous to think that our goverment would spend the time, energy and inordinant amount of resources to track citizens. I think she should turn her sights on video survelliance – that’s already in place. But I don’t have to worry anout being tracked because I’m not a criminal and I have noting to hide. Katherine – Get a real job!
sickntired
Aug 21, 2008
Right on Radioboy. Anybody who thinks RFID should be killed needs to send me all their money – dollar bills have a serial number. Send me your checkbook because it has a number. Send me your cell phone because that has a number. Send me your credit cards, that has a number. Get a life – it’s the world we live in. If you’re not doing anyting wrong, what’s the worry?Either accept that fact we live in a world of numbers or move to Borneo or some uncivilized area and leave the rest of us alone.
ES
Aug 21, 2008
Radioboy and sickand tired — both ofyou need to wake up — just because these systmes are in place doesnt me we have to accept them ! as far as Dr. Albrecht, have you ever listened to her radio show ? if you had you would not have made your comments so ill informed – she isnt scaring people and by no means is she making a career ! getting into debt is not a career ! RFID is themeans to an end – just like before Social security numbers .. u identified yourself with a name .. and SS #’s were sold to the public with the promise that they would never be used for purpose of identification.. now we have more bozos like yourself beleiving RFID is a good thing ..
Ever heard the famous quote from from the phylosiphor ? ” You may not be politics/ government, but government is intersted in you. ”
Besides Katherine is doing a far better job than any of us eeking out a living in cubicle hell , sitting behind the glowing flatpanel for 8 hours , then bolting for the rat race home – she has transcended this mediocracy and done something good for humanity at the sacrifice of the career she could have …. ever try sacrificing something of yours such as free time, comfort or giving something to those in need ? try it sometime, you might feel good about yourself for a change !
Jeff Hoyt
Aug 22, 2008
Hmmm…
Two cups of espresso, a hotel room, nothing on TV that I would let my dog watch, and two people who claim that if you’re not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to hide or worry about.
I should have just kept practicing guitar and ignored my email…
Radioboy tells us that RFID technology is not evil. This is a factual statement that, taken no further, is unassailable. I, of course, am going to take it further.
We can add to the list of non-evil technologies aerodynamics, laser, radar, real-time video transmission, Global Satellite Positioning, terrain-mapping, and high velocity explosives.
Aerodynamic technology allows us to fly across country to see loved ones during the holidays, or travel to that interview for a position in Seattle. Laser technology is used in industrial and medical disciplines to improve our lives in ways that can’t be listed here. Radar defended Britain and gets you safely to your destination when you fly the friendly skies. Real-time video transmission protects property and lets businessmen from all over the globe hold a meeting without leaving their offices. Global Satellite Positioning, well, have you ever had to drive in D.C.? Terrain-mapping has resulted in extremely accurate cartography. Explosives prepare road-beds, aid mining processes, and bring down buildings in a way that is much more efficient than conventional demolition. (Don’t worry, Bob, I’m not going there…)
We also have the option to combine all of these technologies and produce a cruise missile, a device which has a very different effect on people and property than the ones I’ve mentioned.
So, have we reached the point of evil technology with a Tomahawk? Not necessarily. It depends on what it’s going to hit. Disintegrating a building full of Chechnyan Muslims who are planning on shooting, stabbing, and dehydrating more school children would be a good thing. Disintegrating a children’s hospital would be a bad thing.
Technology itself is incapable of determining whether it is good or evil; that determination is found in the heart of intent. What an axe does depends on who’s swinging it.
And there’s the rub, Radioboy. As has been said: Anything with the potential for good or evil, in the hands of man, has a greater potential for evil. How many dozens of examples of a thing starting out innocent and turning evil would it take to convince you that man’s nature, like fire, can neither be left unattended nor given all the fuel it desires? How many times have governments gone bad, turning the weapons against those who paid for them?
Or are you one those who live life under the mindless delusion that “It couldn’t happen here”?
RFID in your shoes? Well, okay, maybe not the end of the world, but as we start down the proverbial slippery slope, what will your response be if and when they want to put one in you? For your protection, of course. Who knows? You might go hiking some day and slip and break a leg. With the chip, they could find you, and that would be good, right? Well, as long as good people with good intent are at the controls…
“It’s a bit ludicrous to think that our goverment[sic] would spend the time, energy and inordinant[sic] amount of resources to track citizens. I think she should turn her sights on video survelliance[sic] – that’s already in place.”
By the government that won’t spend the time, energy, and inordinate resources to track citizens?
In an article by Brendan O’Neill published in The New Statesman on October 2, 2006, you find that the average Londoner is monitored by roughly 300 cameras during the course of his day. Britain has over 5 million CCTV cameras, one for every 12 citizens. Talk about your inordinate resources…
The control center that was the focus of the article has had over 5000 visitors from 30 countries who want to adopt similar systems. Coming soon to a city street near you!
So count me in, Radioboy; I think she should go after video surveillance, too.
sickntired, if you want to know what’s to worry if you’re not doing anything wrong, ask the survivors of the Holocaust. They can give you a reasoned argument, although I’d like to give you credit for being intelligent enough not to need one. Tell you what – let me offer you a challenge: do a bit of research, and then come back and tell us how many people have died at the hands of their government as opposed to the forces of another.
As for the numbers on Federal Reserve Notes and credit cards, what does that have to do with the issue? The article is about RFID tracking capability.
And how will moving to Borneo help? Don’t they use numbers?
This American
Aug 22, 2008
Ah yes the ol saying “If your not doing anything wrong what’s the worry”? Sure. Why lock your door at night, or why not just leave the keys in your car? I mean if your not doing anything “wrong” you don’t need to worry about security. I mean all those Jews and Germans in Hitler’s Germany surely must have been committing crimes, right? I mean if they weren’t what did they have to hide? And the millions Stalin murdered must have been ‘doing something wrong’ governments don’t just go after citizens unless they’re ‘doing something wrong’, right? Mao? Pol Pot? Pinochet? etc. etc. etc. In fact simply post all of your account numbers right here if you truly believe in this WAR ON PRIVACY. I’ll make sure they won’t be misused. Trust me. If your not doing anything wrong, don’t worry.RIGHT?
WHAT NONSENSE!!!
The FACT is criminals are EVERYWHERE including government.In FACT abusive and power hungry governments are WAY at the top of the list for abusing and killing ORDINARY CITIZENS. (And this doesn’t even include all of the killings and abuses by psuedo gov/business entities.) Who exactly would want to give even MORE control to these thugs and criminals we have posing as ‘government’ even now?
Google NAIS. Even now their is a push to microchip EVERY farm animal as a pilot to the coming attempt to microchip and track EVERY human.24/7! Cradle to grave! Wouldn’t Hitler or Stalin have loved such a system. I bet there were ‘good little Nazi Germans’ that were saying the same thing about tagging Jewish citizens 60 some years ago. Don’t citizens EVER LEARN from history?!?
Bob
Aug 22, 2008
That’s the first thing you learn in History.
People don’t learn from history.
Bob
Aug 22, 2008
And I don’t mind discussing building demolition, Jeff.
Good to see you back in the loop.
This American
Aug 23, 2008
I would have to think very hard about the intelligence and clear thinking of citizens that would so readily hand over their private information to gov./business entities that are already reportedly holding over 1 MILLION AMERICANS hostage on “no-fly” and “terrorist watch” lists for reasons that god only knows. Made up as one goes along? YOu want to give more control to people that HATE Habeus Corpus? HELLLLLooooo. To people that push the ‘(p) atriot ACT! Are you kidding?
The problem appears that Americans (and others) are coming under ATTACK for their POLITICAL beliefs. That is a REAL danger. That is the road of a DICTATOR. What happens when you have a dictatorship that can track everyone 24/7 cradle to grave? Ask Mr. Orwell. Verichip wasn’t even around then. I think he must have been a prophet. Perhaps just a little bit ahead of his time.
Americans are so lucky they HAVE a Bill of Rights but so many it seems are working night and day to dismantle it. Don’t trade in your privacy and the right to be left alone for an ear tag and a leash. First they came for the animals…. with NAIS…. 24/7 tracking and monitoring….and CULLING… then they came for the humans,… with RFID…24/7 tracking and monitoring….and…
Bob
Aug 24, 2008
Calm down Mr American. The end is not yet.
I’ll agree that a lot of these technologies today(including these underwear chips), would be powerful weapons against all that is good in humanity if they were to fall into the hands of a dark overlord. But that’s the thing, we don’t have a dark overlord yet.
I’ve listened to people compare George Bush to Hitler or Stalin and I just shake my head. They have got to be kidding. There isn’t one politician in the free world, including Arnold(but he’s got potential), who could hold a candle to those two. All we have for leaders now are a bunch of petty criminals and bureaucrats with their own personal agendas and a few people who believe in what they are doing who don’t have a chance.
When a true dark lord takes power, people LOVE him! He gives you goose bumps and makes the hair stand up on the back of your neck. People truly believe that he is going to make things better and that he is the solution to all of their problems. Later, when they start to realize that maybe it isn’t quite going to be that way, they are absolutely terrified to say or do anything about it. I would be looking over my shoulder right now as I type this, in fear of somebody finding me on this radical, critical website, if we were living under a dark lord.
Didn’t you watch the Star Wars movies man?
Anyway, don’t worry about this stuff until you see someone of that caliber rise to power. The only problem is that, if he is good at what he does, he’ll probably have your support.
The way to tell the REAL good guys? They are always the ones telling you to fix your own problems. They’ll even show you how, but they’ll leave you alone to do it. Everybody hates those guys.
Bob
Aug 24, 2008
I like Arnold.
Michael Hampton
Aug 24, 2008
Bob, your description of a dark lord sounds a whole hell of a lot like Barack Obama.
Bob
Aug 24, 2008
Nah, he just doesn’t have enough of that certain, special, something….
He might have fans, but I don’t think they’re devoted fans. Tom Petty probably has a more loyal following.
And Obama doesn’t have the charisma to strike fear into the heart of a nonbeliever.
No, I think he’s pretty tame, but I guess you never know.
If he gets elected, shuts down your website and locks you up without a trial, you might be on to something.
Bob
Aug 24, 2008
I worked with a guy last winter who grew up in Austria. His grandmother had told him stories about being at some of Hitler’s speeches. After three generations, I could still see a spark of admiration in his eyes for the way Hitler could move and control a crowd. Some of the other stuff had carried through too. He had even read Hitler’s book and agreed with a lot of what’s in there. Even after all the misery of WWII, Hitler still has followers.
That’s what I’m talking about. We’ve had some good leaders in the history of the United States, but nothing like that. FDR and Lincoln had the support but they were a different breed.
This American
Aug 24, 2008
Well, I dunno Bob perhaps one man’s Star Wars action figure is another man’s dark overlord, but seriously how long, how far down that slippery slope. Even now I see congress discussing furthering this IMO, Police State mentality, looking at allowing investigations (illegal) on citizens wihout having ANY evidence. Does that sound like a Republic to you? And when I look at the ILLEGAL IMO blockades being set up in places like Arkansas to enforce curfews on LAW ABIDING ADULTS just to try and get at a few instigators, I ask again how far? And when I see what is happening in the Orwellian U.K. where citizens get scolded for littering by cameras speaking in the voices of little children, I realize Orwell had nothing on the ambitions of Globalist’s ‘reshaping the world’.
I agree though, your’e right The End is not yet, there is still time before every farm animal is chipped, there is a HUGE and growing resistance to NAIS (google it), that if allowed, will run so many small farmers out of their ability to raise food competively and allow BIg AG to extend it grip even further over all of the world’s food supply. And once in all animlas then comes ALL HUMANS.
I salute efforts by researchers like Ms. Albrecht to inform citizens so they can make better decisions in their every day purchases. IMO every purchase (or not) is a vote for (or against) the company and it’s ETHICS and those that really want to make a positive contribution can do more for positive change with every purchase they make and where they place that money, than they ever will achieve by supporting some puppet candidate of either of the *opposing* (LOL) ’sides’.(IMHO)
Aug 24, 2008
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Anonymous
Sep 04, 2008
When violent criminals set in the parking lots of shopping malls and large stores scanning people for tags linked to valuable purchases while looking for robbery targets, if you get robbed I can hazard a guess that you will NOT be full of chuckles.
Sep 11, 2008
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jimbo jones
Sep 20, 2008
sickntired: and what made you think people in Borneo don’t have mobile phones?
Bob
Sep 30, 2008
Ha! Good one Jimbo. And they probably wear Che T-shirts and turn their hats sideways too.
Let’s not go to Borneo. It’s a silly place.
Buck Turgisson
Nov 21, 2008
I absolutely LOVE the 180 degree turnaround SOME PEOPLE have taken. SOME PEOPLE blathered for years about “protecting freedom” and “the Constitution” and “the right to protect ourselves from the government,” and spent years blathering about their guns and the second amendment and how, if push came to shove, they would be at the barricades defending their freedom their liberty and blah blah blah. And then those SAME PEOPLE, when it turned out that that very same government (they voted for) has spent years abusing its power and destroying the Constitution and limiting and restricting the civil rights–, those SAME PEOPLE defend the government and the destruction of liberty. I tell you I love it. I don’t have to read books of fiction anymore! America has turned into the fantastic place I always knew it to be, and for science fiction and for political satire I only have to turn on my telly or read a newspaper, and it is these SAME PEOPLE who are so amusing and productive of laughter that who needs another comedy to watch?
ComeGetMe
Nov 26, 2008
If they put it in my clothes, ill sow my own. If they force it on me , ill fight to the death ..its that simple
Bob
Nov 29, 2008
I wish I had a name like Buck. I actually know a guy named Buck Danes. That’s pretty cool.
Mar 17, 2009
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Rhonda
May 09, 2009
I am already electrosensitive. With all the EMF/RF so many people are being seriously sickened and disabled by it.
So now all the clothing in a store will have RF emitting from the clothing and on the street emitting another RF signal? We are already flooded with the stuff.
What they keep under wraps and covered up is that EMF/RF causes so many illnesses that people have no idea that’s what the cause is until it’s too late. The pharms are laughing all the way to the bank. Diabetic symptoms, flu symptoms, increase in allergies, heart and circulatory problems. They are already building towns and hospital wings in Sweden at country expense for the what 250,000 to 290,000 people disabled by the stuff and that’s just one country.
At 3% of the population here in the states, just how many additional disabled is that? But you’ll keep hearing that there is no proof. There is proof. And they haven’t proven the devices are safe, they just say there is no proof of illness (of course they go off distorted and flawed industry studies) and continue as usual while more and more people are sickened and disabled.
Do you have the flu? or is it really EMF/RF sickness. Google it. They have known about it since WWII. Typical RF symptoms the radio operators got.
ellenlangsetmo
May 09, 2009
i agree that rfid should not be permenantly hidden or imbeded or both in the things that you buy other then rf id tags being imbeded in them selfs of course if labled as such made vuable and transparent and labled as such. for one thing rfid can espessely if imbeded in other merchendise increase the risk substanually of privecy invasion of course. another is that there may be health risks from being close to an rfid tag or operating reader for an extended period of time. i freind of mine robert dratch had proven that the human body workes on coded networked signals within including form and fuction coding and quite possibly something called the matrix externaly
Lauchenauer Martin
May 11, 2009
It is maybe not the main topic here – but nevertheless also extremely important for all of us!!!
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http://ppjg.wordpress.com/2009/01/31/silent-sound-spread-spectrum-ssss-the-all-digital-tv-broadcast-signal-connection/
Silent Sound Spread Spectrum (SSSS) & the All-Digital TV Broadcast Signal: Connection?
Ever since first hearing of it last spring, I’ve had a deepening sense of foreboding – an unnamed dread of the upcoming shift to an all-digital television broadcast signal, scheduled to occur in February 2009. Now, I believe, that nameless dread may have a name, after all.
The Department of Defense calls it Silent Sound Spread Spectrum (SSSS), and it also goes by the name of S-quad or Squad. In the private sector, the technology goes by the name of Silent Subliminal Presentation System and the technology has also been released to certain corporate vendors who have attached catchy brand names like BrainSpeak Silent Subliminals to their own SSSS-based products.
Whatever you call it, SSSS is a technology that uses subliminal programming that is carried over Ultra-High Frequency (UHF) broadcast waves, planting inaudible messages directly into the subconscious human mind.
Perfected more than twenty years ago by the Department of Defense and battlefield-tested upon unwitting Iraqi soldiers serving in the army of Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War during 1991, SSSS is a sinister weapon that may have been been developed for a specific mission: the total subjugation of the American people.
Whether SSSS is coupled with the new all-digital TV signal as its means of delivery into the minds of an unsuspecting U.S. populace or not, it can be deployed by many different devices, including HAARP and GWEN towers, which would effectively blanket the entire nation at once. In fact, Judy Wall says that “there is evidence that the US Government has plans to extend the range of this technology to envelop all peoples, all countries. This can be accomplished, is being accomplished, by utilising the nearly completed HAARP project for overseas areas and the GWEN network now in place in the US. The US Government denies all this.”
But the most insidious aspect of SSSS is that it is completely undetectable by those being targeted. Because it delivers its subliminal programming directly to the human brain via the auditory sense at frequencies that humans are incapable of perceiving as sound, there is no defense against it. Everyone on the planet is equally susceptible to mind control via SSSS and there isn’t any escape from it, as the UHF waves can be transmitted over very long distances from remotely located sources and will pass through walls and other objects as if they are not there. UHF is the frequency (100mhz) that has been used for television and radio broadcasting for as long as these media have existed. SSSS is designed to utilize UHF as a carrier wave.
Even more insidious, though, is the fact that, coupled with the use of supercomputers, an individual’s unique electroencephalographic (EEG) patterns can be digitally altered and then stored for rebroadcast via digital UHF. According to Judy Wall, editor and publisher of Resonance, the newsletter of the Bioelectromagnetics Special Interest Group, these computer-enhanced EEGs “can identify and isolate the brain’s low-amplitude ‘emotion signature clusters,’ synthesise them and store them on another computer. In other words, by studying the subtle characteristic brainwave patterns that occur when a subject experiences a particular emotion, scientists have been able to identify the concomitant brainwave pattern and can now duplicate it.” These modified emotion signature clusters can then be broadcast over UHF carrier frequencies (i.e., regular TV and radio signals) directly into the brain where they can then “silently trigger the same basic emotion in another human being.” In other words, if the emotional signature cluster for, say, a feeling of hopelessness and despair is being fed directly into your brain via unseen radio waves, you will feel those emotions. The implications of this are, quite literally, mind boggling.
January 31, 2009
Categories: Articles, Government, TV Spying . Tags: mind control . Author: Gary Rea
40 Comments
ellenlangsetmo
May 11, 2009
robert dratch is working on such a technoligy at bob dratch org under the heading bob dratch or dratch he calles it the livingness prossess or holoforms. he apearently is on the side of big government or has been pressured to be aguast his will. he robert dratch is on the side of big brother. there should be ethics for responsible use of technoligy. i think that what dratch has gotten into as far as mind control technoligy is wrong very very wrong and needes to be stoppped. i think that some of dratches other technoligy that the government suppressed might actually might very likely be usefull but defenetly not his mind control stuff
Jun 14, 2009
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Anonymous
Jul 31, 2009
lets face it rfid if implimented in a sensible maner is not the problem the covert mark marc prgram is and it may use rfid and probably will including inside the human body. the marc mark program will probboly use something called the marc card or the mark implant. the mark 666 in the bible probably referes to so called psych drugs. i think the mark is eather a new world order government program damaging intentionly that is or by omission rfid implant for tracking purpouses followed by the massive use of psych drugs and flouride in the water.
Ernesto Rodriguez
Oct 22, 2009
I’m a mind control victim, brainchip transmiter included, I’m not afraid of these criminals, My address is 8782sw 12 st apt 102.Miami,fl,33174-3321, Miami,fl,33174
Anthony Bescher
Nov 01, 2009
Thank you for reading this.
You are on the right track. You are doing a very good job of exposing the truth. The RFID chip is actually a part of the government’s plan to put an implantable chip in every person in our country. It will be used in supermarkets when you check out. No chip, no sale. It will be used in stores where cloathing is purchased. No chip, no sale. It will also be used to track the where abouts of any person. This will be read by satellites. The last thought is that the swine flu vaccine contains mercury in lethal quantities. It will result in the death of nearly all who take the shot, within one year. It will be made mandatory around the world. It is the coup de grace of the One World Governments plan to reduce world population by ninty per cent.
Anthony
ellenlangsetmo
Nov 01, 2009
now lets face it swine flue is phony as a three doller bill is is an antireproductive look it up on google. psych meducations are poisen a nuerotoxin actually the mark mark of the beast.gmofoods are as bad as swine flue for the same reasens and tocontrol the food supply.pestacides make youstupider.flouride was used in the nazi concentration camps and was used to make people simisive it does notfix teech. bobd@bob-dratch.org is running new world order mind control rfid barcodes resonent codes crystaline codes code chips idcards etc areused for onepurpoise totrackplain and simple.
sean
Dec 19, 2009
Hi,
I have been tortured by these companies for three years. I went on disability from my job and they came back and implanted microchips all in my brain and all over my body. Last month they put a microchip in my jaw, connected it to the one in my frontal lobe that is attached to my optical nerve and destroyed 75% of my spine. If you want to find them you can start with Digital Angel Corporation and Verichip Corporation. They put people in torture programs and make hedges on the stock market. They are planning to chip everybody in the world and do it at doctors appointments. I filed a complaint about two attempts of attempted murder that was connected to a hedge, which I believed enabled Verichip Corporation to acquire Steel Vault. The only problem was that they didn’t succeed in killing me and the broker who made the deal tried to murder me in my sleep the other night and is trying to torture my death because he is a rookie broker with a series 7 who made the dumbest trade in the world. The have implants that can basically turn a person into a human robot and cowards sit behind desks in their offices torturing people. These people have threatened my life everyday since trying to kill me. You would think that after a person made an attempt on your life he wouldn’t tell you that he did when the government is investigating him. I have two of the dumbest people in the world trying to kill me right now and they are doing openly and don’t realize that they are being investigated. This guy has 2 counts of 1st degree murder and a number of counts of torture and they won’t stop. If anybody wants to look at an xray of a person’s spine after a murder attempt by a microchip corporation, send me an email if you can get through their hackers at spendergrast@gmail.com. If you really want to see a picture of a broken spine, you would have to contact the government to make sure the email doesn’t get slammed by a microchip company.
spendergrast@gmail.com