Remember “change we can believe in”? How about “the straight talk express”? The first is the mantra of believers in Barack Obama, the second was John McCain’s war wagon during his 2000 primary fight for the Republican nomination. Though Dubya ultimately prevailed, McCain’s image as political brave heart got a righteous polishing. Even after he became Dubya’s liege the image didn’t completely lose its luster. As for Obama, his jousts with Bill and Hill of The Infernal Machine won huzzahs in independent circles. But those were the days of yore — this is now.
Evil omens re the economy hath melded Obama and McCain into one man, living in the cramped quarters of one craven political soul. Something/someone has to give. President-wannabe Obama McCain steps forth to issue a decree. Let the bailouts begin! Up the oligarchy! State capitalism we are here!
Here’s another kicker for the serfs. There aren’t any third party candidates with enough traction to act as vehicle for a meaningful protest vote. Obama has sucked the air out of the progressive room and Ron Paul’s eclectic libertarian revolution didn’t find credible expression in plodding Bob Barr. Traditional conservatives console themselves with Sarah Palin. But incendiary Sarah is a loyal second banana. Her banner may lead in the future but that will be then — this is now. The now of a massive expansion and realignment of government and equally massive new tax burdens for “Average Americans.” The “folks” Obama McCain invokes when denouncing the greedy lenders and Wall Street gamblers he rewarded by supporting — nay pushing — Dubya’s Big Bailout. This is also the now of Lord Henry Paulson and his mini-me Neel Kashkari. Goldman Sachs-R-Us! The now of a Democrat controlled Congress that hasn’t yet held a single hearing on Kashkari’s qualifications to be Bailout Czar and that folded like a poop suit when threatened by a failed Republican president and his discredited financial clackers.
But hey — there will be no exiles on Main Street. Obama McCain (aka OM) plans to rescue Average Americans too. Inside OM’s crowded skull the formerly separate candidates disagree re the details of the rescue. This makes for the kind of schizo public monologues most often heard on park benches and street corners. Though both halves of OM agree government (taxpayers) will foot the bill, they clash over how the cash will be culled and dispersed. Each side accuses the other of wanting to screw Average Americans. (Even though both of OM’s wives are lookers.) Sometimes OM seems ready to strangle himself. No doubt one half of OM, like Psycho’s Mom, will finally prevail.
The succor of Average Americans, under one persona or the other of President OM, will focus on Keeping Americans In Their Homes, Saving The Housing Market, and Supporting Business on Main Street. Possible scenarios include:
A) You give government most of your income. Government gives you back your 40 acres (metaphorically speaking) with a cut rate FHA-backed mortgage, plus the aging mule that your bank, thanks to a wad from Hank Paulson, has agreed not to repo. Your ownership of the 40 acres is administered by a new organ o’ HUD, with assistance from local non-profits with social justice missions. Helping you vote is one of the missions. Financial benefits from improvements in your property or from its resale go back to the government. If you don’t move for a decade or so (remember the importance of Keeping Americans In Their Homes) you get a cut. If the mule dies, recycled bikes will be available. As will vouchers for the vastly improved mass transit system due to be built any day now.
B) The Wal-Mart and McDonalds that got tax breaks to hang on Main Street need another stimulus injection. The government returns a tiny part of your income. You spend it on Wally & Mick. The nationalized stock market “soars” for 15 minutes and President OM gets a bump in his poll numbers. This helps him sell Congress on his plan to rescue the American Dream of Unaffordable Home Ownership.
C) In order to put a floor under housing prices and keep homebuyers dependent on government assistance and HUD oversight, and in response to pressure by the Nationalized Association of Realtors (NAR), President OM launches the American Dream Rescue Initiative. Comprehensive immigration reform is in the plan (the NAR coins the slogan Open Borders Mean No Open Houses) as is a more controversial proposal for controlled burns of large swaths of existing homes. Concern in Congress that Average Americans might be barbecued by accident is assuaged when President OM adds a proviso for the creation of a new Homeland Security organ that will “keep Americans safe from any wild-fires resulting from controlled burns of excess housing inventory.” Reps immediately start jockeying for the Homeland Security pork, claiming their districts are chock-a-bloc with too many homes. However, the U.S. Conference of Mayors urges the burns be confined to suburbs, in order to encourage urban revitalization.
D) The American Dream Rescue also contains a declaration that renters who have no interest in owning property are Enemies Of The State. Re-education camps to be established under the aegis of Homeland Security, HUD, and the NAR.
Ha ha very funny sez you. But until recently the idea that taxpayers would be tapped to back trillions in various forms of privately incurred debt, on which the level of rottenness is yet to be established, and that Congress, after a few days of panicked palaver, would do a cob job renovation of our financial and political system, would have seemed zany too. As would have the thought that the presidential candidates representing our two major parties would be of one mind and hop on the haywain post-haste.
Tis a mad mad mad new world. And Obama McCain is the man of our hour.
Carola Von Hoffmannstahl-Solomonoff
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Who will u vote for?
Oct 18, 2008
Will you all vote for Barr or one of those guys. Barr’s ideas are great too.
Carola Von H.
Oct 19, 2008
Despite my snark re Barr’s rather uninspiring persona (like it or not, packaging matters in politics) I agree about the worthiness of his ideas. My point re third party candidates is that they’ve had a tough time gaining traction this election cycle, not that they shouldn’t be supported.
Bob
Oct 19, 2008
:)
Bob made a smiley face.
Someday it will all work out. Good article.
GlenGary
Oct 19, 2008
Something I wrote under my pen name TimberWolf on MarketWatch today. First let me add that whomever becomes President can do about nothing but react-react-react for it is no longer in the cards that the America they want to preside over will be at all intact.
Here we go;
The recent upward trend of the US Dollar is a direct and temporary consequence of the collapse of stock markets
• Thanks to its recent political baptism , the Euro becomes a credible safe haven value and therefore provides a crisis alternative to the US dollar
• The US public debt is now swelling uncontrollably.
• The ongoing collapse of US real economy prevents from finding an alternative solution to the country’s defaulting.
• Strong inflation or hyper-inflation in the US in 2009?, that is the only question.
Studying the case of Iceland can give an idea of the upcoming stages of the crisis. This country indeed provides a good illustration of what the US and the UK should be expecting. It can be considered – and that is what most Icelandic people do today – that the collapse of Iceland’s financial system (and money)came from the fact that it (debt) was disproportionate to the size of the country’s economy.
With a shrinking GDP and therefore tax base and the monetizing of Treasuries-lacking buyers of new debt, we print those instruments anyway-we will DEFAULT within a period of less than one year-my bet is by Summer 2009.
The United States and The UK are being blamed worldwide for this mess and in that bond auctions are failing to bring in loans that support not only our budget, but the bailouts as well. Borrowing everything from loan payments to new debt will not work.
You cannot print Treasuries and distribute them without 100% backing and we have less than fractional backing at this point.
This is the real story and the real danger and it follows what others have done to fall over a cliff of currency collapse. We are Wiemar Germany, We are France right before the Revolution, We are Iceland.
Too Big To Fail? That will be our epitaph chiseled into the stone of The Washington Monument by late 2009. Our debts and obligations are too big to do otherwise.
The only thing that can prevent this is to back our dollars with silver and gold giving the Dollar new credibility worldwide before it turns to dust.
This was very hard for me to write. But the Feds know the outcome is my guess since they are actively buying up food at a rate that is unexplainable and they are even taking deer from hunters canceling the 60% donation tax . Just give us the extras and get a write off.
They are training and beefing up the Army to deal inside our borders and have a cross border agreement to allow Canadian Troops on US soil to police.
What are they preparing for? My guess? Complete collapse.
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I could say rest in peace America, but I fear she will not.
Rest
Bob
Oct 19, 2008
:)
Bob made another smiley face.
What kind of goofball would want to be President of this mess?
a) Someone who understands what is happening and wants to play King and be a ruthless, all powerful dictator.
b)Someone who has no clue what is going on and thinks that being president will be cool.
c)Someone who knows what’s going on but is naive enough to think that he can do something about it if he’s president, and actually turn the tide, to make America a better place.
Those are the only kinds of goofballs I can think of. I would lift my glass and toast to the third guy. If he had a plausible plan I would support it and help out where I could(even though he doesn’t stand a chance), but Obama McCain is definately a or b. Personally, I think b.
I posted on a Youtube site, Glen. The guy said he was expecting civil unrest. I said that will probably go down as the understatement of all recorded history.
Bob
Oct 19, 2008
I spelled “definitely” wrong. Slipping. Start making smiley faces and it’s downhill after that.
GlenGary
Oct 20, 2008
Bob,
I’m making a smiley face. At exactly 5:42 Saturday,,,I looked at my watch, a rather large deer dropped stone cold dead in my front yard. Seems he had a 40 cal sized hole right in his head. BANG Ka-thud… Looks like about 30 pounds of roasts, burger and steaks. One down…three to go. Full freezer is my aim. Didn’t buy at tag this year since my yard seems to attract them like all get out in mornings and evenings. Almost free food!
Snipers rule! One shot-One kill.
As for stuff in general…for the last year with neighbors I do not discuss the markets at all, the economy, politics or anything collapse related as in “Everything is just fine and dandy”. When the crud hits the fan I don’t want folks thinking about me at all…except as maybe the nut cooling deer in big trees in the front yard…the front yard hunter.
Folks mention stocks and I just roll my eyes and agree that everybody is getting a raw deal. Blending in I guess.
I think by Sept next we may have a new currency if we are lucky. If not…I will be hiding until we do. Out of sight-out of mind.
I voted Ron Paul early. McSame and NOBama I cannot do.
Bed time…more work tomorrow…arse deep in logs.
Glen
Carola Von H.
Oct 20, 2008
Wow! Some of Gary’s prognostications make me want to put on a Scream face. (Ala Munch not the movie.) And what a wild spin on the “too big to fail” thing. Second choice after Washington Monument as epitaph central: the lawn of the White House. Mowed into the grass so angels can read it and weep from above. As for Bob’s cogent query as to “what kind of goofball would want to be president of this mess?” my guess is a hybrid of “a” and “b”. Reading like this: Someone who has no clue what is going on and wants to play King and be a ruthless all powerful dictator. In other words– same old same old.
GlenGary
Oct 20, 2008
Carol,
Wild Spin-Hardly.You do not get it that without assistance financially WE WILL IMPLODE. We are not a stand alone country. We go begging and at this point in time with other countries HURTING and blaming us for that hurt the sale of treasuries suffers.
Treasury Bills, Notes and bonds, investors in these instruments should be worried as well. Treasury Bills are virtually at zero for one month or under, and a mere 0.83 per cent for three-month Treasury Bills. Ten-year notes are at 3.98 per cent but that is up from lows of 3.48 per cent seen only a week or so ago. With inflation running at 5.4 per cent annually, bonds and bills are a losing proposition. But we suppose just getting your money back is worth the loss in purchasing power.
The bond market has been experiencing a huge topping pattern for years. The recent breakdown in the bond market is a sign that all is not well there either .Indeed the losses may soon get bigger.
We should be astounded with the recent growth in the monetary base. M1 in the most recent report is now up 6.4 per cent year-over-year and an astounding 19.5 per cent in the most recent three months. M2, after falling recently, also reported a 6.9 per cent leap in the most recent three months.
The monetary base has exploded. US debt has leaped an astounding $1.2 trillion in recent weeks. The Federal Reserve is printing money to bail us out of the mess and ultimately that is hyperinflationary.
The result will be a bonds collapse. Many folks suspect that that process is already under way as what they will be trying to do is monetize the debt. This has serious repercussions for the holders of US debt instruments particularly the foreign buyers (China, Japan, Saudi Arabia). Bonds have been telling us that they are in the process of making a long term top (price) or bottom (yield), as yields move inversely to price. For those who owe money it will be very good as they will pay back in depreciating dollar value, but for those who hold debt it may well be as devastating as the recent stock market collapse.
There won’t be a soft landing or a hard landing but rather a crash landing as we keep trying to print our way out of the mess printing put us into.
Crack a book Carol.
Glen
Nobody’s Fool.
Bob
Oct 20, 2008
Yah, I knew I should have put quotations around my “a” and “b” too. Just sloppy. :)
Don’t be rough on Carola, Glen. I think she’s got a fairly good grasp on the workings of our faulty monetary system. I think she was just shocked to see the results and consequences of that faulty system spelled out so bluntly.
You should change your pen name to Frank Blunt. Upfront honest truth can scare people sometimes. I guess I’m just as bad, that’s why I like to read your stuff. And then you topped it off with a sniper’s eye view of the death of Bambi’s mother. Geeeez! These are city folks, man! But I think she’s cracked a few books in her time.
Carola…how about a hybrid who hasn’t got a clue what’s going on, AND wants to be a King and ruthless dictator BECAUSE they think it would be cool? I think the desire to be cool is in there somewhere.
Bob
Oct 20, 2008
I’m thinking as I write this, which is very dangerous, but I don’t think there has ever been a homegrown American tyrant. Tyrants are bad, my way or the highway types of people and they are quite open about it. They make their own rules, stir up hatred and mobilize large groups of people to commit violent, despicable acts. They usually have a lofty dream of a supreme nation under their total control and tolerate absolutely no question of their authority.
Examples:
Alexander the Great
Julius Ceasar
Napoleon
Ivan the Terrible
Hitler
See what I mean? No comparison. The closest thing we’ve ever had to a homegrown tyrant, and I say this with no malice or judgement(only speculative observation), is Brigham Young of the Mormons. I hope I don’t get flack for that but he did fit the profile. All of our Presidents, no matter how bad, have always allowed themselves to be removed from office and always struggled against the democratic process to get what they wanted.
We’re spoiled, I guess is what I’m trying to say. I really, truthfully don’t see tyrant qualities in Obama McCain.
Bob
Oct 21, 2008
I think the ideas of scheming tyrants, ancient Jewish conspiracy plots and age old Illuminati groups, or even the ideas of Satan himself pulling the strings behind the scenes, are popular today and have been in the past, for one reason only.
It is more comforting to think that there is a solid plan in place, controlling all that happens, even if that plan is evil, than it is to consider the wild possibility that we are actually governed by goofballs who haven’t got a clue what they’re doing. Anything could happen, at any time and they would be powerless to do anything about it. They could quite easily make stupid decisions that sink the whole ship and they wouldn’t even know it. An idea like that keeps people awake at night.
Peewee Herman is Captain on the bridge of the Enterprise and we are at warp 9 heading for the Romulan neutral zone. First Officer is H.R. Puffinstuff and Animal the Muppet is at the weapons station. Engineering? I don’t want to think about it.
Bob
Oct 21, 2008
Maybe Chewbacca. I’d like to see him take orders from Peewee and H.R..
Frank Blunt
Oct 21, 2008
Grab a box of Kleenex folks! That’ll really really help you survive. I plan on making it come what ever and that means whatever I have to do no apologies.
This country is screwed and no matter who gets in they will need to break the news to the sheeple that the party is over for the next 20 years because the holes have been dug so deep and the world we have offended by selling them fraud financials will no longer support our lifestyles on their savings through loans which means we get what paupers get.
If there isn’t a war or two I will be surprised and if there is not civil unrest it will be a bloody miracle.
We are in a lull before the next part of the storm and each blowing wind from here on to the end will tear at our masts more and shove us further off course and we will never find our way back. It is going to be messy.
Sorry I cannot paint an unmitigated disaster of epic proportions into a nice warm comforting picture. I don’t know how to lie like that. I never worked as a salesperson or politician.
With the truth you have the heads up to act in your own behalf and with a lie you are set up for failure. I guess folks don’t want the responsibility of self-determination through planning. My mistake.
Glen
Bob
Oct 21, 2008
Keep up the good work Frank. They’ll toughen up. I like the numbers and details you print.
Carola Von H.
Oct 21, 2008
You’re right Bob! I should have included “..and wants to be a king and ruthless dictator BECAUSE they think it would be cool” in my hybrid model president. And you’re on a roll with your musings re the cartoon bridge command of our Enterprise. To Glen/Frank Blunt: you shock me not with your less-than-rosy predictions. Also, I didn’t use “spin” in its negative political sense, but as a positive response to having been turned around (spun) by your clever expansion on the phrase “too big to fail”. And though one may crack corn with impunity (see Jimmy) only careless readers “crack” books and damage the spine. Incidentally, my name isn’t Carol…
Frank Blunt
Oct 21, 2008
Americans are products of advertising and PR. Common knowledge these days is programming which throws common sense clean out of the window and self-protection is then thoroughly disarmed and folks are now not much more than prey.
From Wall St with toxic investments to MDs with equally toxic products that promote ill-health for their profit to Candidates that are pure spin at best to peer pressure to ridiculous TV shows nightly Americans are spoon fed the seeds of mental slavery and financial slavery.
“We will take care of you” is what Washington is selling today and I for one can take care of myself and will as I do not need a Mommy or Daddy in Gov. No thanks… the prices comes too high. Dependency is for babies and children-not adults.
Unfortunately we find ourselves is a bad place that media, PR, politicians have steered us to and we are going to pay that price for allowing that kind of control over us. Some of us will grow as we navigate new terrain, some of us will be destroyed by it and in both cases it will come down to personal strength and the application of skills we each possess from experiences, attitudes and Jimmy Crack Corning Cracking the books.
I am a life-long learner since life is to be mastered rather than masturbate through life. But everything is !00% choice.
Choices… We all have them.
Frank Blunt
Oct 21, 2008
Aristotle said in 340 B.C., “Money is a guarantee that we may have what we want in the future. Though we need nothing at the moment, it insures the possibility of satisfying a new desire when it arises.”
We need a stable currency, and if we save in a debasing currency, there is no insurance. When we save dollars, we try to do as Aristotle said, and that is to insure that although we may not be needful now, if we have dollars, in the future we can buy that which we want…theoretically anyway.
Unfortunately, Aristotle never knew about modern day America. America is inflating at an ever increasing rate. In other words, American money is being increased in numbers very quickly, and conversely, decreasing in value and purchasing power. Calvin Coolidge said in a speech in 1922, that, “Inflation is repudiation.” And so it is.
This message brought to you by Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf former Iraqi Minister of Information 2003 who was always right and now makes a smiley face.:)
Bob
Oct 22, 2008
I love to hear new and interesting thoughts that I’ve never heard before, especially when they are 2348 years old. Funny how that works, I wonder where Aristotle heard it.
You’re never really the same after you’ve understood something from a different angle.
I guess credit would just be used to pay for what you already have, and what you’ve used up, lost and wrecked a long time ago. If you deal in cash, you’re always ahead of the game. With cash, what you have is yours and you’re ready for the future. “Velly intellesting.” That’s a Confucius quote.
(see Jimmy). That was funny.
GlenGary
Oct 23, 2008
Obama-McCain, I still say the really scary thing is one of them will win.
Carola Von H.
Oct 23, 2008
Amen!
Who will win??
Oct 23, 2008
Some claim Obama will win. IF he does what if he goes back to his old Muslim ways and makes that law? That would suck. Have a good weekend.
GlenGary
Oct 24, 2008
Hey Bob.Carola
Around 4:15 today I got a good sized buck this time in the side yard. They just keep coming to visit and I just keep making good use of them. This guy was not bad in size. Two down, 4? to go. Depends on freezer room.
And to Carola Von H., if you eat beef it’s like a do-it-yourself deal in that by shooting my food I cut out the middle man. It’s totally organic, lean, has a ton of omegas and is far less fatty than beef since deer get tons of exercise. Very healthy stuff you get from the wild.
But I know how women feel in that my wife can take seeing it only at the cooling stage after the innards are in the trash. She isn’t comfortable with me butchering so I take it down to a processor and he does it for $1.85 a pound-cut, wrapped freezer ready. Inexpensive really.
All skills have value and better to have them and not really need them than need them and not have them. Panic is a poor teacher.
Hit BJs warehouse this morning and did some fill-ins on the long term stores and I must say it has grown into maybe three solid years for two. Got carried away.
Tomorrow I guess I split more logs. No rest for the wicked.
Glen
Bob
Oct 24, 2008
Waiting mode. Split some wood. Stock up on goodies. Kill a few things. Do it again tomorrow.
Soon these will be the good old days.
Carola Von H.
Oct 24, 2008
Nah– the best is still ahead. According to Army Times “helping people at home may become a permanent part of the active Army”. Read all about it:
Carola Von H.
Oct 24, 2008
Dear dear. Link didn’t appear. The Army Times story is: Brigade Homeland Tour Starts Oct. 1, Gina Cavallaro, Staff Writer, Army Times, 09/30/08.
GlenGary
Oct 24, 2008
The Army Times article forgot to mention that the amount of men to be deployed is a mere 4,700 or less than 100 per state which has us all scared stiff.
This is probably just about equal to Southern Ohio Militia Units and sympathizers. Or not.
Home turf advantage applies.
Glen
GlenGary
Oct 26, 2008
Bob and Friends,:)
Want to know what happens in a collapse? What to buy? How to act? What exactly you will experience from someone who went through it?
Read This
Bob
Oct 26, 2008
Didn’t come through Glen. Write it out for us. Tell us more. Don’t leave it hanging like that.
GlenGary
Oct 26, 2008
Does that make sense?
Bob
Oct 26, 2008
From my angle, it does. You say “Read This” but there is nothing there to read. Just “This”. Like it was supposed to be a link or something but it isn’t.
I get no understanding of a collapse from “This”.
GlenGary
Oct 26, 2008
Article
GlenGary
Oct 26, 2008
I give up
GlenGary
Oct 26, 2008
Basically they asked an Argentine citizen what he would have done differently HAD HE KNOWN a currency collapse was in the cards in 2001.
Store as much food as possible.
Gold silver. Redeem at banks only. Euros/Foreign currency.
Handguns of popular caliber like 38/9mm/40 S&W/22 or rifles of same plus 12 ga. Ammunition there costs $100 per 20 rounds on average. Ammo for anything but what is listed is impossible to get. Stock up.
A 4X4 to get around traffic snarls since stopping can get you robbed or killed.
Things to bribe cops and officials with..small consumer goods made in better foreign countries since their imports were cut to Chinese stuff and poor quality. Things like lipstick -perfume-cologne-booze-even candy-even food.
Places not to live,,,country by yourself, city or town, Suburbia is better or in country within shouting distance of others.
Protection-crooks dress better than you or as officials that come to your door like gasman,electric employee, water guy, mailman..Send them away without opening the door if you did not summon them. Better to be rude than dead.
If you shoot someone from 50 yards out or more you will be an inmate. No crook will attack from far out.
Be armed 24-7, do not stop at stop signs or lights after dark. Do not stop if blocked-accelerate and if a person gets hit so be it. Windows and doors in vehicles always locked-gun on seat.
This is the reality of Argentina since 2001. Corrupt as all heck and unemployment at 20%…jobs pay peanuts. Credit-Hahahahaha. Middle class wiped out. Two classes, Rich-Poor.
With rich farmland people starve since corporate farms EXPORT most of the food. Same with ranches and dairy.
Seven years of war zone living. Adapt or die…kill or be killed…never let your guard down and NEVER EVER let anyone in your home or you will be targeted. Hungry friends become enemies quickly and if someone you trust goes rogue it can get you killed quickly.
Argentina was not third world in 2001…today it is.
Can it happen here? Who knows…better to be prepared than caught blind. If you need guns ammo food gold silver and this hits like it did them-no warning…you are toast. You will not get anything.
Their money was 1 to 1 with dollar. Then 1 dollar 2 pesos, then 1 dollar 3 pesos. Ammo and things like that went up 1000s of percent. Guns-blackmarket. Ammo 20rnds $100.
Scary..
Bob
Oct 26, 2008
Everything is fully understood and agreed with on this end.
I have a checkmark beside all the must haves.
The only thing I wonder about is the living alone in the country. A dog would let you get some sleep and with a little planning you can always have a back way out if they target you. What is the reasoning behind this “don’t do”? I would think that if you react offensively, it would be the better way to live.
GlenGary
Oct 27, 2008
Bob,
Guy said they often poison dogs to quiet them so get a dog that likes human flesh on the inside as well. A barker.
As for where I live there are now 12 around me all within 250′ to 400′ apart and it is a dead end with steep gullies and hills that surround. Not much way in or out without a hard notice even now. Armed to the teeth every house. Up the road a half mile more toward a main road sits an enclave of 6 more houses and most of them are wealthy which would mean hired security..of course I have two millionaires across from me which would buy security and not leave. Hard heads both of them.
The chances of coming in here and getting back out are 90% against the way the road is. Deep ditches on either side, if road was blocked you’d need a tank.
I’m thinking that we might not fail per say but end up a cash only society with a two for one devaluation until we pay some countries back. That is my best hope. You know my worst.
Glen
Picking up people
Oct 27, 2008
The looser crooks are picking up people’s beloved children, mothers and wives to kill. They damage thier low self esteem even more and then they end up in a casket with devistated parents and relatives that had no idea. All you have to do to make a difference is find something good to tell your children, relatives, girl friends, boy friends and ect.. If you can find one wonderful positive thing about them, please tell them. Once they make it into a coffin due to corrupt cops, people and the media it is way too late. Let them know they are wanted dead or alive but, most importantly alive. Obama and McCain may or may not care about this issue but, it is important not only to the economy (unless you are in the death industry) but to the world. People who think there is something good about them, will spend more money and stimulate the economy and ect. It is good for America.
GlenGary
Oct 28, 2008
“The looser crooks are picking up people’s beloved children, mothers and wives to kill.”
Oh man you found me out. But we eat them so no foul. So hey shut up about it or you are next. Got that…Gonna get ya boy!
Run Boy! Run Run Run! Here we come FEE FI FO FOM I SMELL THE BLOOD OF A LIBERAL SCUM! MU…Ha Ha Ha Ha Haaaaaaa!
WTF
Oct 28, 2008
So you are saying you are doing this due to low self esteem because, you feel you are a loser? I doubt that seriously. You are just fucking around. I never shut up for anyone. I shoot back with one of my large collections of guns Mister. No scum here. Damn you are hard hearted why who beat on you? Who abused you? Everyone or what. I sure hope things get better for you so, you can truly enjoy life and love the person you are plus others. They make great pills for that you know. I know it is macho to be a dick but, not in the family department and for a satisfying life. Good luck to you.
Bob
Oct 29, 2008
Can’t we all just get along? Can’t we just….get along?
We have whacked this around until now, there is nothing left but a few colorful bits of paper mache and empty candy wrappers scattered about the floor beneath the thread that once held the pinata topic of Obama McCain. Desperate for something to beat on with our opinion sticks, we have now turned on each other. I am saddened by this.
I fear that Michael has abandoned his own blog because of our behavior. His topics have stopped appearing. Only Carola remains, but for how long? Perhaps she too will tire of our witty banter, our reckless wordsmithing and our tendency to degenerate to the low of pointless bickering.
Oh well,…. did you kill any deer today Glen?
Shawn-Earnest
Oct 29, 2008
What more can be said. These puppets on the stage and we all believe they are supporting our cause, but in the end all fall sort as history tells. So, who is actually in control, you, me, and who is the them? Federal Reserve Banks has had the last call in the last chess game played economically upon the American dollar every time and never fell short, thus look at Canada dollar at present. This political game outside the box looking in is a conspiracy theory till proven true then all forget who you are and that you where right in the end. The forgotten is who we are all when we realize what is real. Puppets on the stage, puppets us all and to vote only determines what category you are placed in in the end and not a pretty picture. I say vote for this Hitler and laugh burring him later? Politics is a chess game not played out by the meek, but economic Hitlers that parade a stage and in the end game big sister always gets what she wants. My opinion, obvious. If a person knows in fact the end result then should this be egotistically poetic? McCain is GOD! I shall drink fine wine and eat fine cheeses and fine breads watching north American skies become on fire for none are in my image. I will vote for McCain. To add, you are survivalists and you think their is not a list? Privacy is a lie, and good luck. My heart bleeds for those with such hope to be all crushed in the end. History is truth? I am Pure American.
GlenGary
Oct 29, 2008
Bob,
No more deer till I get the processed ones back.
As for the other guy I was funning him because he’s obviously paranoid or living in some world I’m obviously not familiar with and so cryptic….Weird. Like quit beating around the bush…break it up in paragraphs so it’s readable and just spit it out.
As for Shawn-Earnest, There are roughly 310 million people in the United States and I’d say from reading even long-haired professor type forums that there are at least.. the very least 95% of those commenters that are so mad at the government they can’t see straight. I have a lot of company here.
Firearms sales and ammo sales are triple last year! Triple! What are folks thinking? It is no secret that the Gov BUGS ALL COMPUTER USERS and I have never presumed that I write in private. I simply don’t give a tinkers dam who reads my stuff. If they come, they lose a few good men before I die simply because if it has come to that then MY AMERICA is over with and to hell with authorities. F’em Big Time.
Folks are MAD. Even madder than me I suspect because I vent and always have so I defuse my actions down to self-protection. It is the quiet ones that blow since they do not have outlets for anger and frustration.
Any-Who… I’m betting that the NSA’s Listeners are getting their ears burned clean off these days by forum after forum and e-mail after e-mail wanting to express utter contempt for what has transpired in the last year.
An election process that features a Stalin and a Hitler isn’t helping anything.
Glen
GlenGary
Oct 29, 2008
As for the Forum Moderator…a website is for better or worse. Post some interesting up to date stories and see if we can revive this thing. But politics has folks burned out now since we can only hear from Idiot number one and Idiot number two…Folks are sick and tired and want it over with.
Best Regards,
Glen
Get along gang
Oct 29, 2008
Ya I agree let’s all get along. The people that turn into bullies are abused, neglected and left out by society. We have to stop this crap if we are going to stop from destroying the world and our very existence. Not everyone looks the same, is the same size, color, shape or ect.. We have to find a way to co exist without killing everyone off. No one is going to agree on everything. That is why compromise is best. A good new story would be finding ways to avoid bullies,prevent them or get them to love not only themselves, but others. IT is all about caring for who you are and then you can care for others. There will always be fights but, we can still find a way to prevent sensless acts of self destruction. Everyone needs to have a chance in this world. Good luck and be sure to care before it is too late for you or someone you love. I grew up around a famous serial killer who was normal when treated with respect. All they are looking for is respect. Without it the consequences are horrible.
GlenGary
Oct 30, 2008
Bob,,Get along gang
Got the deer back today. Wasn’t expecting it for another week or so but I guess the process business is even slow now a days. Was 64.lbs at $118.40 2-deer and a 2-.30 cent bullets. Not bad. The processor was selling beef strip loins at $3.99lb so I took 20lb of those too on top of everything else I have the freezer can only hold about one more medium deer at most. Got those mega packs of Costco type burritos and frozen pizzas crammed in there too for days of sinning.
The long cold winter can come. I’m more ready now than ever in my life I think. Nobody will ever starve around here. :)
For the other guy I can say that I knew Jeffery Dillon the serial killer that plied our roads nearby and hunted hunters. He was a very quiet young guy a few grades ahead of me and a body builder. His Dad was an animal and I figure him at 100% responsible for the rage in that man since my Dad was the same although I found God before I went off on people. I also ditched my old man years ago since exposure to toxin is not healthy.
A lack of self-esteem is a loser’s life and I retired at 49 after wasting my first 16 years of work hiding in a bottle only to end up well off in 14 more years and retired. By well off I’m through working since the only reason to work is to make money and that is taken care of.
As for Bully…if you think folks bully you, it is you who have low self-esteem since you so obviously are too touchy and react without thinking of the intent of things. Folks that are too touchy and have thin skins are emotionally immature and self-centered I have found. God gave you a brain to analyze things and your reactions are not my doing unless you think that I control you and your thoughts.
Paranoia is not a common reaction to things in general and your writing is very paranoid like the world is out to get you when it is just the nature of the world to be as it is “Nothing personal” comes to mind and many folks are no doubt far worse off than us who have computers, internet accounts and time to use it all.
If you look for goodness you find it and if you look for beauty you find it every time. But if you look for things out to get you, you no doubt find that. That’s why your chain rattled so easily. Your triggers are very close to the surface and abnormally so.
Now I have some research to do to stay ahead of the curve so I bid you all a good night and a Stay Safe.
Glen
Have a happy holiday
Oct 30, 2008
Happy Halloween the world is not out to get you but, the world is not set up to be in your favor. It sets you up for failure so you just have to do your best. No one is completely happy or safe. You just have to use what talents God gave you and do your best. You have to learn to let go of the past and forgive those who hurt you. The hardest part is to not repeat what they did or take it out on other people. The serial killer and killers I knew did not care about anything. They were angry at the world. They wanted to get even by hurting as, many people as, they can to make them suffer like they did. This has to stop many innocent people are hurt in the crossfire. Hunting is fun. Venison is good food. Take care.
GlenGary
Oct 31, 2008
Bob,
Been frequenting a lot of forums on finances where the age range is 20’s to I’d say early 40s and the mass opinions of what economic decline means to most of them is as follows.
We will buy less Starbucks and see a few less movies and eat a few less dinners out, drive a bit less and take shorter vacations and buy less “designer stuff”. Pare our credit card usage a bit.
That is the total damage these folks see coming even as we see almost daily where companies are laying off 20,000 or so weekly in good jobs that take out three more lesser jobs and capital is being blown up like an endless barrage of artillery shells daily. They think a depression will be just inconvenient and nothing much more. No body goes hungry.
They are serious. They drank the Koolaid Big Time. Our media outlets have done their job of hiding the tent cities popping up all over the place and food banks without food and those who ran out of unemployment LAST year who still are jobless. Washington has betrayed America, but not without the full cooperation of the major media.
Wife went to get her hair done today. Shop was closed for good after being there 27 years…their credit had been cut which killed cash flow. This is happening all over. Construction jobs stopped, shippers who cannot ship overseas, stores gone begging for revolving credit all the while the Fed focuses on Wall St and screws Mainstreet destroying jobs. That is beyond corrupt.
But the point is that a huge part of our population thinks they are and America is Teflon Coated and we have seen the worst of it when we are still at the beginning of it all.
And I have to say that whether Reps or Dems rule, they will rule in mayhem when the younger folks figure out that their blood will be spilled by the buckets financially just like the folks now going before them.
Glen
Bob
Oct 31, 2008
There was some good stuff in that last one of yours Glen.
GlenGary
Oct 31, 2008
Bob,
My sister-in-law calls the other night to B.S. and the conversation turned to my beliefs and the things I’ve done and she jokingly asks; “if the crap hits the fan can we come down and get fed?”
My wife told her; “While you took cruises, we saved and prepared. While you spent $100,000 on a motorhome driving all over the US, we paid stuff off, saved and prepared. If your survival is not all that important to you then why should we give a rip? Can you not save and prepare even now?”
Sister-in-law was speechless..it never occurred to her that her and her husband’s life was THEIR responsibility and no one else’s! They are over 60…what the?
My wife told her, “Get to Sams or Costco and then call Northwest Territorial Mint and protect yourselves or starve since you life is your responsibility”.
I told my wife forget it, my PHD sister and her mate are still out there spending every dime even at age 60 and age 55 as if everything was 2005…not a care in the world after warning and more warning and being told “I can’t help you if you will not help yourself.”
I guess we don’t speak English. I quit saying anything around these parts over a year ago. Why piss in the wind?
Americans are asleep at the wheel and have no survival skills AT ALL. I doubt I should be scared of folks that will be toast quite quickly since they only plan for good times and laughter. UNREAL.
It is not just the young that are stupid I find.
Glen
Bob
Oct 31, 2008
Like the song says, “the road goes on forever and the party never ends”.
But what you described is going to be the hardest part when it comes right down to it. People you know and family members scratchin’ at the door.
susan 28
Oct 31, 2008
bullies suck and aren’t products of paranoid imaginations and it was *totally* personal in my case. without going into detail let’s just say there were some things about me which stood out and tended to draw flack, and when i was a little tyke back in Philly i kicked one of my bullies down the stairs one fine day in the park. didn’t break anything, but shook some manners into him – my reaction may not have been his doing, but his was mine! he never picked on me again!funny thing happened after that: i not only got respect, but they *had my back*. anyone else picked on me they told them to back off, cuz i was “ok”.
and when a little shit down here in florida started in on me when we first moved here (age 11) i looked him square in the eye and told him he’d better put a lid on it because he’d have to turn his back to me eventually, and when he did i’d be there to split his skull(i didn’t have references from Philadelphia to prove this, lol, but sincerity goes a long way). he treated me with kid gloves from then on – just perfect for my thin skin. thick skin on ladies isn’t becoming and i learned early on how to protect mine. and as with his Philly counterparts, the ridicule turned to respect and even admiration.
the moral? when you *respect* yourself enough to *protect* yourself, others do too.. i never ever picked a fight, was a total peacenik right down to the flowers in my hair, but would not countenance cruelty to myself or anyone else. no-one should.
bullies only respect one thing and it ain’t the olive branch. it’s a fiercer animal. government’s the same way. our Founders knew it. we need to re-learn it. maybe we’ll learn it when the Army *is* tuned loose on us. maybe not.
votewise i’m going with Barr just to help give the LP the ballot clout in future elections, if any. i too would prefer Paul and donated heavily to his campaign, but florida doesn’t count write-in votes, and i’m not ready to abandon the LP just yet. we’re trying. we really are. and we’re getting better every day and stronger all the time.
susan 28
Oct 31, 2008
just got this from The Advocates pretty much echoing this topic:
BOB BARR ON THE SOCIALIST “DECIDERS”:
“Sen. John McCain accuses Sen. Barack Obama of being a
’socialist,’ but it is President George W. Bush, supported by Sen. McCain, who has done the most to socialize the U.S. economy. Courtesy of the Republican Party, the federal government is set to own a sizeable chunk of the housing, auto, banking and insurance industries, as well as pieces of
individual companies lining up to sell securities to Washington. Even individual homes, with Uncle Sam preparing to become the mortgage guarantor of last resort, are the targets of nationalization.
What will be left for the next president to socialize?”
– Libertarian Party presidential candidate Bob Barr
GlenGary
Nov 01, 2008
Bob,
When I relate things to people and steer them to research and do their own work, and even beg them to be careful and it falls on totally deaf ears and then something happens it becomes not my problem since I will not victimize myself and become used by users. Scratch at the door and No Way is my answer. If your life was not important to you then it cannot be important to me.
My job according to vows I took is to take care of the person I married to my best efforts and I cannot serve two masters and serve the vow. If I give away my preparations then I stand unprepared and by the same token, has anyone prepared a place or food for me? No! Not a thought. So there you have it.
Survival of the fittest is Darwin and the folks you help that did not prepare will consume your stuff and down the road they go to find another sucker and on and on they go while you now struggle or starve.
So what good was it Bob? Friends while you help,,then what? You see, I’ve had some “good friends” like that and not so long ago that the taste is not gone..nor will it go away.
The question I ask is if I’m responsible for you, who is responsible for me? I’ve never gotten an answer to that question in my whole 55 years of life and I have asked it many many times. Who feeds me? Who protects me? Who guards my home? Who cuts my wood and splits it? Who buys me gold and silver?
See, folks will use others to the extent of how guilty they can make you feel and since I warn folks and try to get them prepared, I have no guilt. It is 100% on them.
Folks have an income, a brain, reason, two arms, two legs and the ability to get’er done and if they don’t it is on them.
Seems they have a better plan. Let them live their plan just as I will. Fair is fair.
Folks today want their credit cards bailed out, houses bailed out…their mistakes erased while those of us careful, thoughtful, responsible get what? SCREWED BLUE. We pick up the tab in higher interest rates and higher taxes, a debased dollar that affords us less, debased real estate equity–in short we get weakened for doing right while the idiots get rewarded.
I have a HUGE CHIP on my shoulder over that. Thou shall not steal. The Lord helps those who help themselves. The wise man built his house upon a rock. Remember the prodigal son? What part of that does not apply?
In my old age I’m getting hard to those who can-do and refuse to do and I will not pick up that tab anymore than they would pick it up for me and no one ever has. Nor will. Nor would I even ask. But I’m a grownup. What are they?
I have a few Buds who have no clue what we have and I am working with them teaching long term storage, making them aware of how to protect assets and be prepared and with them we will share the load if need be. One has a farm, one is a neighbor I’ve hunted with and each is a hard worker. By extension we are slowly building a community of willing people which brings skills to the table. A Co-Op if you will. These people are outcome oriented and fair good people.
If the sh_t hits the fan you need like minded people ahead of the curve and not parasites that weaken and cause problems. Even if it’s family it cannot be freebies. You commit, you work, you contribute you eat.
I am not a socialist.
GlenGary
Nov 01, 2008
susan08
Bullies,
I was moved from place to place as a kid. I attended four grade schools, two junior highs and two high schools so I had one target on my back after the other as in NEW KID–GET HIM! You learn to fight is what happens or you will get beat everyday until you die or learn to fight. I learned to fight and that to me was the choice of survival.
I was raised by a man who if I came home bruised after a fight he’d bruise me more since he wouldn’t tolerate FIGHTING. I got hit a lot…a ton. And my old man wasn’t above using lamp cords, large sticks, belts and his fists.
At a very young age I learned not to trust grownups and then even a lot of kids in school. I learned to fight though.
I live in the woods now in a quiet area of a few homes live and let live types with wildlife and a few Buds who wander in from time to time and I keep to myself. BTW, My wife was moved around a lot as a kid…same problems so we are soul mates. And we never fight. Ever.
The Bullies are years behind me and with the reputation I used to have, they’d stay away. I never bother folks unless I’m bothered-the way I’ve always been and it usually takes quite a hit to get me to react unless that hit is aimed at someone I love or my property. But what I do to protect things folks never forget. Hard-fast-unexpected. From mouse quiet to bomb blast no warning. Why? Because surprise breeds fear and panic and those prevent clear thinking and ability to recover.
Play to win or don’t play. That is my rule.
Learn from the past but give folks-according to your instinct the benefit of the doubt-once.
Thinking back for no good reason except a pity party is self-defeating and stops forward progress. I could get real nostalgic and cry… what good is it? It happened. So get on with life after learning from it. Make the choice.
Every situation in life is NEW since it involves a new time period or new people or you are older or all of these things. Old reactions replay old emotions and breed old mistakes. Progress is not made out of playing back old emotions and old reactions. Make better choices. PRO-GRESS.
Everybody gets hurt in life. Recognize that. No one who is alive has not dealt with demons. We all do. No one is special. Your pain is not more than Bob’s pain or Jim’s pain or anyone else’s pain. You cannot quantify or qualify pain. You can only deal with it and hope you bring yourself peace and progress.
So let’s get off the tired old bully bit as it is throwing dust into the wind that blows torward as all. It serves no purpose here. You deal with your stuff and everybody deals with theirs. That’s life.
Glen
susan 28
Nov 01, 2008
Glen: the old bullies are years behind you but you wisely let the lessons learned in your dealings with them inform your dealings with the world, which is what i advocate as well: be tolerant and slow to anger, but draw that line firmly. we’re of a mind on that.
infact i think just knowing in your heart that you can and will defend yourself allows you the luxury of a quiet dignity that people with the low self-esteem that comes from caving to aggression in childhood don’t have, because they’ve nothing but their frustration and resentment to hide behind; and this, in turn, draws the very derision they seek to avoid. if i read you right, i think that’s what you’re conveying here, and if so i agree.
i only disagree on the “getting bullied is all in your mind” comment. perhaps you didn’t mean it as such, but it came out sounding like that new-agey “we can control our own feelings”
psychobabble so often spewed by pacifist liberals, and i know *darn* well you ain’t one ‘a *them*. i’d modify that to say: “feelings, like everything else about us, are a survival mechanism which evolved to inform us and we disregard that info at our peril, though we can choose how to *react* to them”. that what you meant? (ie: adults can’t kick people down stairs, lol, which is why i’m glad i did it when i was still on traiing wheels, hehe.. darn that felt good!).
your dad sounds like the Canadian government: anyone in a fight gets punished no matter who started it. Canada calls that “progress” and “violence reduction”, though i don’t see how sending people to prison for defending themselves constitutes a “reduction in violence” just because the violence of prison is state-sponsored, or in your case, “dad-sponsored”. he gets mad at you because all fighting is violence and all violence is “bad”, then beats the crap outta you? it’s amazing you can even do math raised with logic like that! good for you for seeing through it – and seeing it through.
and there you have yet another example of how childhood lessons can be applied to our dealings with government and people in general: your situation is a perfect example of the inherrent injustice of Canada’s policy – one many on the Left would like to see applied here if they had their druthers, and one which is already applied in our prisons. someone bashes you with their food tray you go to the hole. that’s justice? no wonder people come outta prison as total psychos!
and who makes these policies? those very “kids” who didn’t stand up to their bullies, and want to wave all violence away with a magic wand. but their own frustrated violent and punitive tendencies come out in their heavy-handed statist policies. they hide behind their frustration; they hide behind “the law” and force us to sign “social contracts” that read more like slave contracts; they hide like ostriches
hide, ie: not very effectively.
and that was the other point i was making with my post: left wing = neurotic childhood patsies, right wing = those who made them that way in the first place (hehe.. it’s funny cuz it’s true! they’re the conformity-mongers who pick on the oddballs) and libertarian = those who are over the *drama* and just wanna get on with their lives and leave others to do the same.
i can’t honestly say i’ve fully transcended my childhood experience – still got the scars (chicks dig scars!) – but i *can* say that i don’t make it ohters’ problem in the form of pushing victim-identified government policies: no involuntary handouts (or bailouts), don’t try to legislate my lifestyle and keep your paws to yourself, and we’re golden. “mind thine own business shall be the whole of the law”. end of story. it’s the only quarter i ask, or offer; and i think it’s the only way to the peace we all claim to want.
i’m not placing my pain above anyone else’s, Glen – that’s condescension and condescension’s rude – not whining or trying to bring anyone down and certainly don’t need anyone’s
sympathy, just passing on the benefit of my experience. what can i say, i’m an altruist.. “it’s in my nature”.
i relate to both your comments and mr peacenik’s to whom they were initially addressed. i want us all to be able to get along too, but realise that just isn’t how nature works. the best we can achieve is an uneasy peace, and that only comes from strength – and, yes, a measure of tolerance for some things we may not like and a willingness to take our lumps when we screw up. love thy neighbor but carry a big stick.
can you dig it, brother?
susan 28
Nov 01, 2008
Glen, re-reading your post i see your point. as often i didn’t see the forest thru the trees. sorry bout that. but the bullying stories i shared weren’t the point of my post or solicitiation for a pity party, they were simply examples used to illustrate my point, which is basically the same as yours. we’re on the same page. i also get “mr love’s” point, but thought it was over-simplified. as usual the truth usually lies somewhere between the poles.
(guess i coulda shortened my last post to this, heh, but it did contain some valuable observations, so what the heck).
Bob
Nov 01, 2008
“Thinking back for no good reason except a pity party is self-defeating and stops forward progress. I could get real nostalgic and cry… what good is it? It happened. So get on with life after learning from it. Make the choice.”
“Everybody gets hurt in life. Recognize that. No one who is alive has not dealt with demons. We all do. No one is special. Your pain is not more than Bob’s pain or Jim’s pain or anyone else’s pain. You cannot quantify or qualify pain. You can only deal with it and hope you bring yourself peace and progress.”
Hee, hee. Wanna talk about the Indians again, Glen?
I just couldn’t resist that. Bob never knows when to keep his yap shut, but you just summed up everything I put in a post to you one time, on that subject, but never sent. Didn’t want to argue with you anymore at the time because I like reading your stuff. When you get mad, you leave and it’s a real bummer.
One of the hardest things in my life has been trying to tie all the things I believe together, in order to avoid contradictions. When I find a contradiction, I have to rework everything in my head. Then I always feel stupid about the things I’ve beaked off about in the past that didn’t fit together. It’s a real pain.
Spock logic is the only way to go.
Hi Sooosie, good to see you oot and aboot.
susan 28
Nov 01, 2008
> Hi Sooosie, good to see you oot and aboot.
HAHAHAHAHAHAAA Now Cut That Out!! HOOOOooooo, hehe.. felt good to get that out, it’s been bottled up too long, *wink*
and yea, one of the reasons i’ve been silent lately is i’m simply too good at contradicting myself, so i’ve been biting my beak and trying to learn the art of listening.. of course Polly will still open her mouth if someone entices her with a cracker, but they usually wish they hadn’t ;)
Live Long and Prosper back atcha, Babe.. i mean Bob..
GlenGary
Nov 02, 2008
Bob,
And to quote Bob and boy DO I agree.
“You’re never really the same after you’ve understood something from a different angle.”
Tar and Feather me folks.
Glen
susan 28
Nov 02, 2008
it’s true, knowledge literally rewires your brain. i think that may also be why it’s so hard to *unlearn* things. all contradictory knowledge, at least at first, is experienced as cognitive dissonance.
it’s why simply being right isn’t enough: you don’t just have to convince people, you have to re-wire them, and everyone has their own key. you have to put things in ways which relate to their own experience.
i think that’s why i always go off on tangents about my own experiences. because experience is what really forms people’s brains. if you can relate a concept to something someone can relate to, you can almost see the lightbulb over the head sometimes. you have to “involve” them in it somehow, reel them in with a story so they don’t even know they’re learning something. like Fat Albert.
“analogise, analogise..” .. i think Thoreau said that.. or maybe it was me ;)
and of course it’s also wise to realise that one’s own brain is subject to this phenomenon and strive to allow for that when having one’s own sacred cows profaned before burning the heretic.
Bob
Nov 02, 2008
My herd of sacred cows is very small and you can profane them all you want. I’m a farmboy, remember?
Cows are the dumbest, pain in the ass mammals on the face of the earth.
Chickens aren’t mammals are they? If they are, I might have to rewire that thought. Chickens operate with 25 watts of intelligence and three ridiculously intense emotions. Curiosity, greed and fear. Look in a chicken’s eye, and there is nothing else going on in there. Don’t look too close or he’ll peck your eye because it’s shiny and he wants it, and then he’ll run like hell when you scream.
I spent a lot of time in my youth studying the chickens.
Bob
Nov 02, 2008
25 watts is way too high. I was thinking lightbulbs. Half a watt would be giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Bob
Nov 02, 2008
My eye hurts now. Phantom pain from bringing up the past.
susan 28
Nov 02, 2008
your pain is getting dust in my eye! all that warrantless wiretapping has fried your circuits..
ok, we’re having too much fun here.. McBama’s in season the Court acts sans reason and Congress commits treason!! and we let it happen so don’t have a Holy Cow when the Robot Chickens come home to peck, man..
it won’t be long ‘fore we find out who’s right and who’s wrong but Glen’ll be singin’ a happy song no matter what, he’s laid up the food and is prepared for the cut..
and Bob, he’s always smilin’, even when his mind i’m defilin’.. ;)
TimberWolf
Nov 03, 2008
Bob & Susan,
The other night I found the ambrosia of long store survival foods. The one thing to go with dehydrated eggs and homemade toasted bread…the one thing I’ve been searching-digging praying for since I began my storage supplies… CANNED
BACON! YES! IT’S BACON IN A CAN! YOU CAN BUY BACON IN A CAN! MADE IN OHIO but serviced by one company only! Each can contains between 40 & 50 slices of cooked bacon. 240-300 slices a case of cans! Heaven! Heart Attack in a can.
Now I have beef, burger, chicken, pork, ham, sardines and tuna in cans and now BACON! Oh happy days! Bring on the crisis I have bacon!
TimberWolf
Glen
susan 28
Nov 03, 2008
OH, SCHNAP!! care to share that source? a Homeland Stupidity exclusive? i could live forever eating piles of bacon sanwiched between slices of bacon bread :) might not live long but ya’d live well!
TimberWolf
Nov 03, 2008
Susan MRE Depot-Google it as this thing hates linking.
TimberWolf
Nov 03, 2008
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* FRANCE (CAC)…Down 50%… from June 2007.
* GERMANY (DAX)…Down 50%… year to date.
* GREAT BRITAIN (FTSE)…Down 47%…from all time high of 6,930; now “officially” in recession.
* MEXICO (IPC)…Down 47%…since June this year.
* AUSTRALIA (ASX)…Down 45%… from all time high of 6,829 on November 1st 2007.
* U.S.A (DJIA)… Down 46%… to 8154 on Oct.10th 2008 from 14,198 on Oct.11th 2007. Interesting that the American market (where this crisis all began) is down less than so many others…but not surprising really with the U.S. Fed prepared to monetise as much debt as necessary to avert a Financial Armageddon.
* OIL…Down 54%… after peaking at $139 in June 2008. OPEC Nations hastily cut supply.
* COPPER…Down 50% from July 2008 high.
* NICKEL…Down 62% year to date.
* PAPER-GOLD…Down 26% +… from high of $1,010 on March 17th 2008.(Physical Gold Still Sells at $200 Premium.
The statistics speak for themselves. The world is undoubtedly experiencing what Alan “I made a mistake” Greenspan described as a “once in a century event”… thanks for that Mr. Greenspan.
The only question now is how long might it last and how many folks will it destroy or even kill?
(TimberWolf is my nic in two other forums)
Glen
susan 28
Nov 03, 2008
Thanks Bro!! and yea i can’t post a link here to save my life..
Bob
Nov 03, 2008
I never thought about how much I would miss bacon. Almost as much as pie and chocolate covered almonds.
What kind of madmen would ruin a country like this?!?!
Furnace Filters
Nov 03, 2008
Obama is a well deserved candidate. he should win!
susan 28
Nov 03, 2008
i think it’s more like BAD men..
Bob
Nov 08, 2008
Michael must be having server trouble Glen. Our comments keep disappearing.
Can you feel things getting better now that we have a new king? The birds are singing again. Better dig out some of that rice and feed those little birdies. It’s a beautiful world out there now. Lions and lambs laying all over the place together.
susan 28
Nov 08, 2008
just mind those hyaenas!
GlenGary
Nov 08, 2008
Bob&susan 28
Palin thought Africa was a country and not a continent. Dummy…
Obama thinks that by printing more money as debt he can cure a debt problem like pouring napalm on a bonfire which will turn into a funeral-pire. We are just so very screwed and in time we will be eating the lambs and bunnies, the squirrels and even the Norway Rats and be glad to get them.
In Argentina pet dogs started disappearing just by letting them out to pee. Strays were the first to go. In Russia in the early 1930s folks ate each other and leaves and grass after eating farm animals and horses and even dirt.
When all Hell breaks loose and if your freezer is full, your cupboards gushing and your guns at the ready you will have a better than average chance especially if you are away from population centers where folks will slaughter each other in just weeks before serious starvation sets in and finishes the weak and sick.
On a side note a few folks asked me what I wanted as a stocking stuffer and also Christmas gift. I said the only thing I can think is 50 and 100 rnd boxes of 40cal or 12ga shotgun shells-buckshot. Nothing else. Zip,,,Nada, Zilch!
Have literally everything else I need. (Side Note) Ever make a silencer out of a plastic pop bottle and duct tape? Pretty cool I hear. Although I would never ever break the laws that way. Understand it only works once…but I hear with slight modification it could work more. Food for thought.
Always thinking new thoughts and new ideas. I have a feeling they are worth more than gold at the exact right time.
Glen
susan 28
Nov 09, 2008
Glen: ideas drive innovation, innovation made this country great! YES WE CAN!!
some hunters fearing Obama will ban rifle ammo because of its penetration capability are suggesting similar performace can be achieved by gluing BB’s into the cavities of hollow points just like those 40’s of yours. sounds kinda silly since even if it did hit like a rifle round it still wouldn’t
have the range for the average hunting application. still, gotta admire ‘em for thinking outside the box eh?
anyone thinking of trying that should prolly weight the bullet though, because the
susan 28
Nov 09, 2008
sorry last bit got cut off.
what i was saying is that anyone thinking of trying the above makeshift hunting round should weigh the bullet because i understand there are restrictions on handgun ammo on things like bullet weight relative to the weight of the loaded cartridge and also prohibitions on what kind of core a bullet can have, not sure if a bb round would run afoul of that or not and if it was me i’d err on the side of caution, but i still smiled at the ideas some people come up with, hehe.. where there’s a will there’s a way i guess :) gotta love the American spirit!
GlenGary
Nov 10, 2008
susan 28,
In my family we have a Democrat (Liberal-with my forgiveness) sitting judge. I have voiced my opinions on Obama VS gun control and our judge says:
“I take the position that Obama cannot afford to mess with gun rights since farmers and laborers about 230 years ago, rag tag as they were, out gunned, out manned and out of any technology defeated the last asshole trying to dictate the terms of freedom and liberty to Americans and I have little doubt of the outcome of a move to remove guns from America. It will be bloody and decisive and he will regret it.”
Americans lately have been promised much and if not much is delivered along with attempts to limit property rights and freedoms even I think that my countrymen, as naive and led as they have shown to be will GET on the same page and our Government will have serious issues.
Nobody I know of will give up a gun or ammo. Folks are dog tired of giving things up for empty promises and idle words.
Who knows… if Obama proves himself we will be better for having him in Washington. But if he fails he could be like Lincoln with a civil war and no Mason-Dixon Line the only divide being the haves and have nots which would be impossible to police or stop.
My guess is we are seeing a calm right now on the last stretch of the road to breaking point. The national mood is upset-helplessness which is one psychological step from anger and rage. It is tread lightly right now as bold and brash might light the fuse to no turning back.
As for me, I have no preference and am at peace with that feeling. I didn’t cause it, I cannot control it and I cannot cure it. What ever happens simply happens. We play the hand we are dealt-always.
Glen
susan 28
Nov 12, 2008
yeah Glen, we sure do. being a stubborn lass i’m given to tilting at windmills and now and then it even makes a difference, but by and large “real change” usually involves some nasty growing pains.
i too think Obama isn’t a bad guy and wish him luck, and i do like the measured tones in which he speaks and that he seems to actually think before acting, like he actually has a
cortex and isn’t driven by brainstem alone (except on the gun
issue, on which i think he acts more emotionally – ie: “guns go boom and boom is bad” – much like the right does on the
“social” issues) which will be a nice “change”, but what he can do to stem the rising tide of general fucked-upness, i don’t know.
and of course the Libertarian objections to the concept that it’s a president’s job to stem such tides (which just raises the sea level elsewhere.. we don’t need levies we need good, seaworthy boats) are obvious and don’t even need to be stated
to this group.
regarding the guns and peoples’ willingness to fight i hope you’re right. but you know how the disarmament trick works in this country, they just keep limiting what you can have, like boiling a frog:
when they went for the machine guns they got Reagan to promote the bill so the righties were put in a position of either swallowing it or committing the heresy of actually criticisiing St. Ron. and, being always determined to spin everything he did in a positive light, they (righties) priased his “defense of the right to order ammo and rifles by mail” which was the trojan horse used to deliver the payload of the Hughes Amendment. smooth move, using Mr. “I didn’t leave the Dems they left me” from California with the stars and stripes in his eyes to get the *big* one done..
or like Biden’s bravado about “Obama won’t dare take my Beretta over-and-under” – right: because that doesn’t fall under the “assault weapons” ban he proposes – which Biden just happens to have written.
and in Chicago Obama promoted a (thankfully failed) bill that
would authorise police to forcefully enter the homes of all the folks who obediently succumbed to the “common sense” registration law to confiscate *all* their guns. so we know where his head’s at, and the Dems in congress have introduced
the ban every year since it sunset, so we’ll see. i believe we’ll definitely get the AWB back at the very least, without the sunset provision this time.
there also seems to be a Mason-Dixon-like cultural divide in the country, the right side of which hates Obama on the hot button “social” issues (which largely consist of things which are nobody’s business but those involved and have no place being legislated by either lobe of the fevered brain of this collective hive-mind we call “society”), and if he pushes too far “left” (for lack of a better term) it’s gonna rile up the rightie militia crowd.
there’s a good article on this subject on the homepage of www-dot-antipasministries-dotcom right now, mentioning how Blackwater and all the “security” firms that got supercharged
under Bush are run by folks with a hard-right fascist bent and could quite possibly join with the predominantly right-wing elements in the military to stage a coup.
stranger things have happened: Morgan, DuPont and friends tried to do it to FDR and came within a hair of pulling it off had Smedley Butler not blown the whistle. and, though this was definitely a “revolt of the haves”, it, too, was being promoted – to military types through various military-associated groups like the VFW (from whose ranks participants
were being recruited) and to the public at large thru various
propaganda outlets that were that day’s versions of Rush Limbaugh – as “restoring America’s moral foundations” and all that choirboy bally-hoo that’s always used to whip up the Joe the Plumber crowd to rally behind the secular-right big business interests who don’t have a moral bone in their bodies but have lots of power and say the word “morality” alot and get the fundies’ panties all in a bunch and ready to kick some leftie butt.
so: add up the fact that we’ve got a “loud and proud” social and economic leftie in office who makes FDR look like Ronald Reagan, an impoverished and morally-insulted Religious Right rank and file, well-funded and equipped (and politically and militarily connected) right-wing mercenary groups who are exempt from the laws against “paramilitary training” that the “citizen militias” (*gasp*) are always getting busted for and whose people are joining the Blackwater-type groups in droves, and the entire country slowly starving, and we’ve got an interesting game shaping up.
the Antipas article (“The Left is in Danger of Creating a Monster”), makes the ironic comparison between this situation
and the Stonewall Riot – interesting take, and well worth a read.
like i said, should be fun.. well fun to watch from space, maybe, not fun to be in.. i think you’ve got the right idea, just hunker down and don’t come out til the dust settles..
OH, and FPL (our local power company) just got approved a 40-something-percent rate increase… boom!
GlenGary
Nov 12, 2008
susan 28
Yesterday simply looking over a few financial sites I found 60,000 impending layoffs in better jobs. The formula is that for every good job lost, there are three more lesser jobs lost IE retail, services, hospitality. That accounts for 240,000 more lost jobs plus the jobs under the radar going undetected.
This I add to a projected 71,000 jobs in banking I read of Friday last which is not counted in the previous paragraph add in 210,000 lesser jobs equals 280,000 hitting a total of both paragraphs to 512,000 more job losses.
We are experiencing demand destruction on a massive scale for all paper assets, retail goods, houses, vehicles simply because folks are hard pressed to qualify for money being over-leveraged and many many have no jobs so the demand for even gasoline and used-utilities is dampened.
Deflation is now in a fast hold position except in food and anything medical and with a poor harvest report just out by the USDA we will see increased pressure on the ability to eat. Not good news.
As we print more money to bail out “Everybody” the forces of massive inflation are in the wings for us as seen in the Euro and Pound and other currencies where gold and silver are at new highs in most foreign currency and coming to us last but not least in the next year or so.
I’m sure that in Iceland where their currency just devalued by 80% those folks there would have been much happier with silver bars and gold coins than their own currency as was the case with Argentina 2001 and Zimbabwe or even the Mexican Peso in the last month…not to forget Wiemar Germany 1921 or post WW11 Europe.
A population routed by a massive decline in jobs, investments and assets pounded by food inflation and later again energy spikes from a falling currency is not a happy population that even a populist President like Obama can do much with. About 1 to 1.5 years into his term he will be Hoover on steroids presiding over a population that is or was, spoiled rotten by excesses that have evaporated into the hands of misery.
There will be no WPA monies having been squandered before hand by bailouts that are and then were ineffective which will add to anger and frustration as in “Where’s ours?” The answer evident and the anger to be expected.
My point is as you pointed out, continue to prepare, store survival related goods of all types. Hunker down, quiet self-protection mode rather stealth and keep the ear to the tracks for vibrations. Nothing else is logical or warranted or sane. The hardest part of this is the waiting and watching game but in that it provides time to gather nuts and berries and crack the books to better weather the coming storms.
As for gun confiscation…they do not have enough people by far since rifles can easily be greased, wrapped and buried somewhere. Folks want to hold guns they will hide them and force Easter Egg hunts that will eat up manpower and resources they cannot afford to use or they will fight. Either way it holds a huge promise of getting out of hand quickly tempers running high.
GlenGary
susan 28
Nov 12, 2008
Glen,
you really are a wellspring of info, it’s real nice of ya to share all this with us heathens and i can state unequivocally
that i’ve done nothing to deserve it.. thanks!
and yeah no doubt the existing guns won’t be grabbed easily, no issue for me and most of our readers since “we got ours”, they’ll just be harder for future Americans to get. not so much a factor for riding out the current crisis as a paradigm
shift for the future in general.
of course every paradigm has its angle and as long as there are imbalances of power people will always have the will to fight.. same rabbit hole just a lil deeper is all..
gotta go, the phone’s ringin’.. *wink*..
Anonymous
Nov 14, 2008
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
The day is but upon us my friends.
Wanderer
Nov 14, 2008
And I looked, and he opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake. And the sun became as black as sack cloth, and the moon became as blood.
Bob
Nov 16, 2008
You still around over here, Glen? I wouldn’t mind emailing back and forth with you to give Michael a break, but it’s pretty tough to get in touch with each other without getting “burnt” as Susan28 calls it.
You probably prefer to stay anonymous, as I once was.
The Men in Black will find me now for sure, but I don’t care.
I even signed up to YouTube. 1693B.
It all started with that damned smiley face.
susan 28
Nov 16, 2008
tell you what either of you wanna pass an address without posting it here you can do it thru me just hit my site and click contact or use susan28@susan28.com since i’m long since public with my addy from my dj work and i don’t fear the Reaper..
GlenGary
Nov 17, 2008
Bob,
Up until August I had been a webmaster for 10 years. I lost interest and shut the site down after shuttering two others in 2002.
As for the men in black…they know full well who I am going back years as I use my pie hole a plenty. As for my e-mail… I have Spam Filters and know how to use them.
Timberwolf3@toast.net is my e-mail addy. You’re welcome any time Bob and Susan28.
susan 28
Nov 17, 2008
thanks Glen..
furnace filters
Feb 20, 2009
I am glad that obama won as I voted for him now can we please get the economy back to normal and get people some jobs!!
wood splitter
Mar 11, 2009
I am really glad that he won too and I hope that this will bring to the USA a great hope and also lot of prosperity and money.
Philadelphia Surgeon
Jul 14, 2009
Obama brings new hope for the USA. He is a principled man which is needed in today’s generation. He has the power to bind both the black and white American. Thanks that he won!
Receptionist
Jul 14, 2009
The people around the world had so much expectation when Obama won the presidency. We know that he entered in the position during the Global crises which is until now a great challenge for his political will and career. Let’s give him some time to serve the USA and to surpass this turmoil. Let us support him.
Carola Von H.
Jul 14, 2009
Folks who think Obama needs support should send him a girdle. As for his “power to bind” there are far more effective–and cheaper– remedies.
Outdoor fireplace designs
Oct 09, 2009
Although I’m not from the US, I’m glad that Obama won and follow US politics much more than I used because of it. I believe he’s the best man for the job and hope he can help take the country forward.
John
Carola Von H.
Oct 09, 2009
How generous of “John”! Though not from the US, he cares, he really cares, about the future of our country. And he’s into outdoor fireplaces. How forward-thinking is that? What with unemployment and all…
susan28
Oct 09, 2009
On the Dem side, Mike Gravel was clearly “the best man for the job”, but was removed from the debates by Howard Dean at the request of GE, who owns NBC, due to his no-compromise stance on preemptive war. He also advocated citizen referendums at the federal level, which would probably have killed the Federal Reserve by now, and most certainly would’ve nixed the TARP (bailout) legislation.
Obama might be even more dangerous than Bush/McCain/Palin because he’s trusted by the civil libertarian left and is being given passes on things like expanded survellance powers which otherwise would’ve drawn a furor from them if done by the right, probably on the assumption that he won’t “abuse” those powers, when the powers themselves are about as anti-democratic as it gets. Same trap the right fell into with Bush, and it’s sad to see the left following the same pattern. At the very least i thought we might eek some congressional oversight out of him, but no. His policies are like Bush on steroids – same torture authrotiy, expanded spying powers, all of it – with a slight change in rhetoric. Apparently that’s all that’s required of Nobel Laureates these days..
seeing Obama praised over on Huffpo and having his anti-privacy, anti-4A actions excused as “politically necessary” reminds me of a so-called “pro gun” Repub partisan over on Arfcom defending Bush’s “willingness” to sign another AWB if passed as “a necessary compromise with the left so he can get things done”, when he made his statements in the runup to his first term with a solid Repub majority in Congress, and from a President (sic) who routinely ignored the opposition on all other issues.