Nationally syndicated radio talk show host Ian Freeman will spend 100 days in jail because he questioned the legitimacy of a system which would penalize him for having a couch in his yard and conduct his trial in secret.
Keene resident Nick Ryder wrote on the Free Keene blog that the courtroom at Freeman’s trial Friday afternoon at Keene District Court in Keene, N.H., was stacked with police “to try and outnumber the liberty activists.”
Judge Edward Burke had hardly arrived in the courtroom before ordering Freeman jailed for 30 days for contempt of court and the proceedings moved to another room where spectators would not be allowed to hear what happened. Video of the beginning of the proceeding indicates that Freeman’s arrest may have been orchestrated in advance and may have taken place regardless of what occurred in open court, according to witnesses.
When word finally filtered out of the closed proceeding, Freeman had somehow gotten two more 30-day sentences for contempt and 10 days for refusing to pay a fine for having an illegal couch. The official reasons for the contempt charges were not immediately clear.
“It was oppressive,” said Dale Everett, 40, of Keene. “They had a notice posted obviously targeting us, liberty activists, saying that anyone who didn’t stand for the judge would be ‘subject to sanction.’ So I left. I wasn’t prepared to get arrested today.”
Freeman is the owner and host of the Free Talk Live radio show, which airs six nights a week on approximately 45 radio stations nationwide. Free Talk Live is an open format show, where callers can bring up any topic, with no caller refused. The hosts bring a libertarian perspective to the ensuing conversations.
The controversy began in August when Keene housing inspector Carl Patten visited Freeman’s duplex, half of which he rents out, and cited him for a couch on his tenants’ side of the yard.
Freeman said at the time he did not believe the city had a right to tell him whether he could have a couch on his yard. The couch was decorated for Halloween, complete with a pumpkin and lounging scarecrow.
After refusing to pay the fine and being threatened with arrest at his first hearing, Freeman attempted to negotiate with the city.
Patten claimed that he cited Freeman after receiving a complaint. Freeman said he would remove the couch if given an opportunity to speak to the original complainant, “like an adult, instead of calling in men with guns.” The city refused and demanded he come to trial Friday, where he was jailed for contempt almost immediately.
“The Judge sees himself as royalty,” wrote Jim Johnson of Winchester on the New Hampshire Underground forum, “no one may question or disrespect his benevolent self.”
Code enforcement activity has been on the rise nationwide with the failing economy reducing local governments’ revenues and local bureaucrats desperately trying to take money from anywhere they can get it, using any excuse.
Free Talk Live recently interviewed one victim of code enforcement, 83 year old Ageda Camargo of La Quinta, Calif., who is being harassed by bureaucrats there over a garage which was converted into a bedroom decades ago, before she bought the house.
When the laws are unjust, as the vast majority of today’s laws are, then a court of law will dispense injustice. Freeman’s protest of the injustice done to him has not gone unnoticed. Many liberty activists have said the court’s action has motivated them to get even more involved.
“The tyranny was stifling,” Everett said. “It’s the kind of experience that makes you rethink everything. And just to be clear, I don’t mean rethinking everything in terms of backing off. Quite the opposite.”
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kjs420@verizon.net
Nov 14, 2008
How do communist judges like this one, who make their own “laws”, stay on the bench? The whole “justice system” in, whats left of this country, is criminally negligent, abusive of power, corrupt, dysfunctional, and must be completely destroyed, or abolished. The lie that, one is innocent, until proven guilty, is a complete farce, in actuality if your on trial, you are automatically guilty, unless you can prove beyond any doubt that your not. It’s more than obvious to anyone that has witnessed this “system” in action.
The US government SUCKS the big donkey.
Michael Beach
Nov 14, 2008
I think you people are funny you could very well be the smartest idiots I Ever seen. First lets get the real truth out shall we.number 1 first of all their was no secret court apperance as the court publicly annouced the hearing and number 2 you youself have publicly announced the court date so there can be no secret Number 3 he did not go to jail for having a couch on his front lawn he went to jail for contempt of court which is basicly being disrespectful and you should be use to that seeing how you don’t have any respect for anybody else trying to live a peacefull life here in NH You knowingly and willing violating everyone elses constitutional and civil rights for your cause yet claim that your rights are being violated you call yourself non violent protesters yet you knowingly place other peoples lives in danger. funny I didn’t know you could decide for me and everyone else’s saftey for your cause sounds to me like your trying to play god. If anybody gets to read this you’ll have some excuse for your actions just like you claim the police do I mean you cann’t even get the facts straight every single person in the court room could see and hear everything what was going on as it happened you recorded it all and lets talk about this couch for a second you know the couch that sits out in the rain to get all moldy and attracts rats with rabies to live in. the couch that poses a danger to unsuspecting kids who might be around it.I wonder what you would have to say to some childs parent when there kid dies from being exposed to the mold growing on the couch.oh yea the guys with guns thats funny too I heard that you people regularly display fireams and even went as far as to bring an empty holster and loaded magazines to court so i guess that makes you the guys with the guns!and so much for non violent and thats right it is also a constitutional right for someone to file a complaint anonymously so they would not half to live in fear of retaliation. which apperently you would do someone harm if you knew who it was. well I will wrap this up knowing it propably won’t get posted mainly because I don’t think you people have any balls to tell the truth. or even to post an objective view.
Michael Beach
Nov 14, 2008
I tried to post this on freekeene.com but it wouldn’t let me
Michael Hampton
Nov 14, 2008
Well, I don’t know what you’re talking about. You seem to be confused about a whole lot of essential facts.
Puke
Nov 14, 2008
“I think you people are funny you could very well be the smartest idiots I Ever seen.”
Mr. Beach isn’t too familiar with this English thing, is he?
I couldn’t read the whole insane ramble, but the rabid rats, and mold? It NH, the sub zero temperatures take care of that.
Regardless, it is his property. Does he own his property or not? He obviously does not.
People like Mr. Beach are the reason Amerika is going to hell.
Lester Hunt
Nov 14, 2008
“People like Mr. Beach are the reason Amerika is going to hell.” And American spelling and punctuation too.
Thomas Morton
Nov 14, 2008
I think Mr. Beach is a put-on and is merely parodying those who are subservient to government. That’s the only possible explanation.
Nov 14, 2008
Ian Freeman Jailed for 100 days at EddM.co.uk
toowm
Nov 14, 2008
Either that or he’s just a son of a Beach.
gu3st
Nov 15, 2008
Mr. Beach,
First lets get the real truth out shall we.number 1 first of all their was no secret court apperance as the court publicly annouced the hearing and number 2 you youself have publicly announced the court date so there can be no secret
The article says “conduct his trial in secret”, not that the court appearance was secret. This refers to what is clear in the video; they took him to a separate room instead of conducting the trial properly in front of the public. What logical reason is there for that? The audience only got to watch the trial on a small TV screen what looks to be dozen of meters away and I wonder if it even had the audio turned loud enough.
So even if it wasn’t exactly secret, it was clearly unusual and impractical and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was intended to put more pressure on him by separating him from supporters.
Number 3 he did not go to jail for having a couch on his front lawn he went to jail for contempt of court
I’m sure that was the purpose of this whole charade.. to make people like you think this is for contempt and obscure the larger property rights issue related to the couch. Even so, what part of “?We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal” from the Declaration of Independence don’t you understand? Why does a man have to spend 30 days in prison for not standing or sitting for the judge if the judge is supposed to be an equal to everyone else? I don’t get that. Hardly anything exceeds that kind of pettiness.
And Ian got 90 days for supposed “3 counts” of such oh so terrible act of disrespect.
You knowingly and willing violating everyone elses constitutional and civil rights for your cause yet claim that your rights are being violated you call yourself non violent protesters yet you knowingly place other peoples lives in danger.
That’s a pretty damn outlandish claim to make about people who are doing what they are doing to restore the rights you’re talking about, yet you post no actual evidence or example of it.
And placing lives in danger? What the hell man?
lets talk about this couch for a second you know the couch that sits out in the rain to get all moldy and attracts rats with rabies to live in. the couch that poses a danger to unsuspecting kids who might be around it.
Ian was perfectly willing to remove the couch. All they had to do is let him face the one who complained about it. But no, they have to resolve things by force instead. Ian is put in a situation in which his compliance would validate what he clearly and passionately believes is invalid (legitimize government’s violence) and leaving the couch on the spot and keep insisting that he be let to face the complainer. He chose the latter. And he was right to do so. Denying that denies property ownership and that’s just a first step towards denying liberty altogether. As someone who supposedly defends civil liberties here, you should be cheering Ian in his cause.
Far more people die due to a regime he is trying to fight than could ever be killed by a… moldy couch, even in the worst and most ludicrous of scenarios which you seem to imagine to make your non-point.
oh yea the guys with guns thats funny too I heard that you people regularly display fireams and even went as far as to bring an empty holster and loaded magazines to court so i guess that makes you the guys with the guns!
Yes it does! But we aren’t the ones telling people how they should live their lives and threatening them with those guns if they don’t comply! Instead we believe that everyone, IF they want to, should have the right to own guns for self-defense, and not just the government.
and so much for non violent
Owning a gun means you’re violent? Think dude. Think!
it is also a constitutional right for someone to file a complaint anonymously so they would not half to live in fear of retaliation
Fear of retaliation or hiding behind the guns of government thugs? In a free society you wouldn’t have to hide behind THEIR guns, you could have your own and be able to protect yourself should any crazed dude really try to “retaliate”, and who then would actually be willing to do such a thing for a mere complain? This is nonsense.
And again, Ian was WILLING to remove the couch if he only got a chance to actually talk like one human being to another with the complainer. The whole thing would be over without fuss, but noooo.. because threats and intimidation are the way we do business these days is it?
well I will wrap this up knowing it propably won’t get posted mainly because I don’t think you people have any balls to tell the truth
You were obviously wrong. Not only was that wall of text published, but someone actually took the time to disseminate it and write a response. And if you want the truth, why don’t you start thinking and exploring it for yourself instead of sniping here. You can’t find truth if you don’t question your beliefs even when they clearly involve so much dehumanization, example of which so clearly stands in the above article.
Regards
gu3st
Nov 15, 2008
Mr. Beach,
First lets get the real truth out shall we.number 1 first of all their was no secret court apperance as the court publicly annouced the hearing and number 2 you youself have publicly announced the court date so there can be no secret
The article says “conduct his trial in secret”, not that the court appearance was secret. This refers to what is clear in the video; they took him to a separate room instead of conducting the trial properly in front of the public. What logical reason is there for that? The audience only got to watch the trial on a small TV screen what looks to be dozen of meters away and I wonder if it even had the audio turned loud enough.
So even if it wasn’t exactly secret, it was clearly unusual and impractical and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was intended to put more pressure on him by separating him from supporters.
Number 3 he did not go to jail for having a couch on his front lawn he went to jail for contempt of court
I’m sure that was the purpose of this whole charade.. to make people like you think this is for contempt and obscure the larger property rights issue related to the couch. Even so, what part of “?We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal” from the Declaration of Independence don’t you understand? Why does a man have to spend 30 days in prison for not standing or sitting for the judge if the judge is supposed to be an equal to everyone else? I don’t get that. Hardly anything exceeds that kind of pettiness.
And Ian got 90 days for supposed “3 counts” of such oh so terrible act of disrespect.
You knowingly and willing violating everyone elses constitutional and civil rights for your cause yet claim that your rights are being violated you call yourself non violent protesters yet you knowingly place other peoples lives in danger.
That’s a pretty damn outlandish claim to make about people who are doing what they are doing to restore the rights you’re talking about, yet you post no actual evidence or example of it.
And placing lives in danger? What the hell man?
lets talk about this couch for a second you know the couch that sits out in the rain to get all moldy and attracts rats with rabies to live in. the couch that poses a danger to unsuspecting kids who might be around it.
Ian was perfectly willing to remove the couch. All they had to do is let him face the one who complained about it. But no, they have to resolve things by force instead. Ian is put in a situation in which his compliance would validate what he clearly and passionately believes is invalid (legitimize government’s violence) and leaving the couch on the spot and keep insisting that he be let to face the complainer. He chose the latter. And he was right to do so. Denying that denies property ownership and that’s just a first step towards denying liberty altogether. As someone who supposedly defends civil liberties here, you should be cheering Ian in his cause.
Far more people die due to a regime he is trying to fight than could ever be killed by a… moldy couch, even in the worst and most ludicrous of scenarios which you seem to imagine to make your non-point.
oh yea the guys with guns thats funny too I heard that you people regularly display fireams and even went as far as to bring an empty holster and loaded magazines to court so i guess that makes you the guys with the guns!
Yes it does! But we aren’t the ones telling people how they should live their lives and threatening them with those guns if they don’t comply! Instead we believe that everyone, IF they want to, should have the right to own guns for self-defense, and not just the government.
and so much for non violent
Owning a gun means you’re violent? Think dude. Think!
it is also a constitutional right for someone to file a complaint anonymously so they would not half to live in fear of retaliation
Fear of retaliation or hiding behind the guns of government thugs? In a free society you wouldn’t have to hide behind THEIR guns, you could have your own and be able to protect yourself should any crazed dude really try to “retaliate”, and who then would actually be willing to do such a thing for a mere complain? This is nonsense.
And again, Ian was WILLING to remove the couch if he only got a chance to actually talk like one human being to another with the complainer. The whole thing would be over without fuss, but noooo.. because threats and intimidation are the way we do business these days is it?
well I will wrap this up knowing it propably won’t get posted mainly because I don’t think you people have any balls to tell the truth
You were obviously wrong. Not only was that wall of text published, but someone actually took the time to disseminate it and write a response. And if you want the truth, why don’t you start thinking and exploring it for yourself instead of sniping here. You can’t find truth if you don’t question your beliefs even when they clearly involve so much dehumanization, example of which so clearly stands in the above article.
Regards
What BS
Nov 15, 2008
What is next? Natzi concentration police state camps because, it will become illegal to live freerly in your own home protecting yourself from the evil bastards that try to pretend to be better than the rest of us. To put it lightly fuck that SHIT!!! Owning a pair of nuts will be a crime too. Well to hell with that. Enough is enough America don’t be taken for a ride. This is pure BS!!
Bob
Nov 15, 2008
“When your lawn furniture, used to be your living room furniture, you may be a redneck.”
Don’t know what made me think of that.
There’s no point in talking to Mr. Beach. It’s always about the “poor children” with the Mr. Beaches of this world, even when it gets ridiculous. Couches don’t kill children, refrigerators do. Everybody knows that.
Mr Beach and people like him are just skin wrapped around a big ball of fear with bones in it.
As long as judges keep getting away with this stuff, they will keep getting away with it. If Ian Freeman was a Columbian drug lord or a full member of the Hell’s Angels, he wouldn’t be in jail. Those people understand how to talk to a judge, they’re just a little misguided.
You can rant against the system all you want but it won’t change unless you can make the people in the system scared. That’s what it always boils down to.
TheSnarkmeister
Nov 15, 2008
This, plus the NH election results, might help explain why the Free State Project has had such dismal success in convincing libertarians to move to the “Live Free or Die” state. While it is nice to see that one resident is committed to liberty, its not clear that nearly enough are to make it worth picking up and moving to a frigid northern hinterland.
(To be fair to NH, I will admit, that a lack of commitment amongst libertarians can clearly be identified as a problem.)
Jennifer
Nov 15, 2008
Mr. Beach, NO ONE can be accused anonymously in this country, because the Sixth Amendment to the Constitution guaranteeds the right to “be confronted with the witnesses against him” in a ciminal prosecution. That is why the accuser in such a “malum prohibitum” case — i.e., a law which does not constitute any real crime against any person’s life, liberty, or property — is usually a government official, such as a police officer or bureacrat. The government official pretends to be the complainant, even though he has no damage against himself, his liberty, or his property. Such official puports to represent the government, but of course the “government” has no life or liberty to be damaged, only property. And there is no property damage here, only a bogus law invading the people’s right to their own property and its use. The law is utterly ludicrous and is merely a governmental means to steal from the people. Anyone with the cowardice to accuse another of such a noncrime anonymously is a traitor and a willing participant in theft, not to mention an accessory to the kidnapping of a man who has harmed no one.
Ray
Nov 15, 2008
The problem is that these are considered “civil matters”. The normal protections of the constitution are said not to apply. I think we will need to start looking at this and saying that maybe they should.
JerryG
Nov 15, 2008
My parents have kept old couches and chairs outside of their house for years and nobody here in Iowa has said a thing about them and not one child has died or even gotten sick because of the living furniture being moved outside. Usually the cats who keep the mouse and rat population in check for them uses the couches and chairs in the winter to keep warm. My parents also have put big boxes over the chair to block the wind, so not only are they dirty, but they’re ugly as well, yet not a single complaint from neighbors. Of course they’re going after Ian because he’s an activist, unlike my parents. I bet there isn’t even anyone really complaining about it, the city officials in Keene found a little thing to go after him on and they’re going all the way with it.
Persona non grata
Nov 15, 2008
Fuck the government.
Andy White
Nov 15, 2008
This is so outrageous. These parasites are pushing us too far.
Ray
Nov 15, 2008
There have been several cases involving proceedings like this. All of them have cost the governments involved millions of dollars. Of course the actual individuals involved had nothing happen to them. It is time that people were actually held accountable for their actions.
Ken
Nov 15, 2008
As for the sixth amendment issue, there isn’t one. Carl Patten is, for the purposes here, the accuser and witnesses abound. To say there’s a sixth amendment issue clouds the topic’s real issues and gives the opponent a straw man to attack.
@ JerryG
That’s really the point, isn’t it? There is no actual person complaining. It’s the “City of Keene,” whatever that is, that’s attacking something it doesn’t like (liberty.) The couch was just an opportunity for them, and they’re hiding the fact behind this mechanism that “protects complainants.”
George Donnelly
Nov 15, 2008
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Maureen
Nov 15, 2008
Investigate this Judge! New Hampshire is really getting a bad name all across the nation. Seems more and more like a police state every day. I remember the teams of Marshals and state troopers from three states that went after Ed and Elaine Brown when all they asked was to be shown the law that says that they had to pay the Federal Income Tax.
One good thing about this crashed economy is that they will have to lay off a lot of their police thugs. Reconsider whether or not you are a tax payer by reading Cracking the Code by Peter Hendrickson. No taxes without representation. Cut off the money to this thugs do not pay for your oppression.
That Judge needs to be impeached! He is NOT above the law! This is not Nazi Germany Yet!!!
Rod
Nov 16, 2008
All rise. This procedure is done wrong. It’s not for the judge.
Defendants are then told “All Rise.” It seems that they are rising for the Judge. In fact, court rules require that the standing is supposed to honor the principles for which this state stands. The judge is supposed to face the flag. There is a specified speech.
Michael Hampton
Nov 16, 2008
As a correction, I should note that Ian received three days for refusing to pay the fine, not 10 as originally noted in the story. We regret the error.
Make them scared.
Nov 16, 2008
Then pretend you are a redneck and show them the barrell of your shot gun like that Beverly Hillbillies character Jed hell it works for me hell. Tell them I will use this and no you cannot have what is mine for false charges bastards!!
Dale
Nov 16, 2008
I don’t think many people really believe there is a complainant other some local official who wanted to target Ian for harassment for his free speech and the couch enforcer was just a tool for that purpose.
“Couches don’t kill children, refrigerators do. Everybody knows that.
Mr Beach and people like him are just skin wrapped around a big ball of fear with bones in it.”
Bob, you really have a way with words.
nft
Nov 16, 2008
Bylaw fines on the rise as local gov. look for revenue.
We can all expect to hear if our garden gnomes are out
of place as things get worse.
Jamie
Nov 16, 2008
Next time if you are moving do not leave items on your lawn or you will be gone
Seven_Null7
Nov 16, 2008
[...] NO ONE can be accused anonymously in this country, because the Sixth Amendment to the Constitution guaranteeds (sic) the right to “be confronted with the witnesses against him” in a ciminal (sic) prosecution.
That doesn’t prevent me from making an anonymous complaint against another person – it simply means that I can’t testify to the facts of the case anonymously. Tom could tell the police that Dick murdered someone, but would never have to take the stand himself if Harry were a witness to the crime. But the prosecution couldn’t introduce statements from Tom as evidence, he refused to be identified. If Sally calls the police to report Jane stealing from Jill’s home, and the police catch her in the act, they don’t need to follow up with Sally – they can testify to the crime themselves, and cross-examination would attempt to impeach them.
But more importantly to this particular case, the right to confront witnesses does not allow one to be able to contact witnesses independently of court proceedings – otherwise I suspect that witness coercion would be rampant.
Nov 16, 2008
DarianWorden.com » Blog Archive » Libertarian Radio Host Jailed
Michael Hampton
Nov 17, 2008
Update: Sources report that Ian Freeman was released from jail this afternoon. Further details as they come in.
Nov 17, 2008
JailedActivist.Info’s Updated Info on FTL’s Ian Freeman « The Freeman Chronicles
Good work
Nov 18, 2008
Other crap that is happening is people are getting arrested here in California and the cop plus thier family that did it are selling the person’s items without permission. This cannot be legal but, it is happening every day and they are keeping vehicles ect.. I thought the whole orginization had a sale after they were convicted. What bullshit. Good job on him being released. What bs.
Nov 18, 2008
JustGetThere
Dead people
Nov 18, 2008
The other thing that is unfair is these people end up dead in jail. They have too much authority to kill them over petty stuff and sell thier stuff prior to conviction. They knew they were going to kill them or they would have waited until conviction. This is just unfair but, they will end up in hell for thier evil bs.
Group
Nov 18, 2008
A special group should be made to over see what is being sold and ect.. That way this would prevent this corruption. These assholes torture people and then kill them in jail because, they know they can get away with it. They are doing this to children too and stealing thier coats, school supplies and more. Something needs to be done. This would prevent this and bring more jobs.
False crime
Nov 18, 2008
Someone I know was charged with a crime they did not commit. They took everything they own and sold it. They now have no car and ect.. Nothing has been given back. Something needs to be done and fast.
Don't fall victim..
Nov 19, 2008
These people that do this are heartless cold pieces of shit. Don’t talk to them or listen to the bogus crap they have to say. Thier opinion is crap and is not worth fighting for. They are just using it to get at you. They are not worth a shit.
CR
Nov 21, 2008
Here’s what I see really happening here, just like an episode of cops:
Freeman was served notice to remove the couch (Yes, people have a right to complain and maintain anonymity). The cops showed up when he did not remove it, and he got just as mouthy about his rights (just like all of you on here). The cops probably told him to calm down, he continued to refuse to remove the couch, and they arrested him for disobeying a court order. It is the law at work. I don’t give a s**t if it was just a couch. It was a court order.
Next, he goes to court: First, he did not appropriately address the court (probably being just as rude as some of you on here)and he probably spoke out when he was supposed to be listening (all he needed to know he should have learned in Kindergarten!!!). So, the judge orders him in contempt of court. So on and so on….
This is what happens when ANYONE disobeys a court order, then is disrespectful in court. Get over it. Move on to something more important than an activist with a nasty couch. Go out and make a REAL difference!
Michael Hampton
Nov 21, 2008
Well, your opinion is pretty ill informed. It’s quite clear from the video that nothing like what you describe happened and that this oh-so-honorable Court was determined to put Ian in jail no matter what. Go watch it.
Jeff Hoyt
Nov 21, 2008
gu3st,
Appropriate that your response was posted twice; it is worth reading a second time.
Best,
Jeff
Bob
Nov 21, 2008
Hey, Jeff. Good to see you still kicking. How’s the economic collapse treating you?
TheSnarkmeister
Nov 21, 2008
Can we safely assume that CR has somehow been transported via time machine from some 18th-century Southern plantation. He seems to have the, “Yes Masser” routine down pretty good. I wonder how good he is a bowing and genuflecting?
Crime families
Nov 22, 2008
Beware of the awful crime families. Two noted groups are the Gates and the Benson’s. They did not get rich without ripping off the poor and middle class ect.. They have thier own cops, attornies, false names, false identities and crimes that are unspeakable horrid acts of bs. They love to steal if you let them. One of thier favorite ways is the whore game. If they can get a person to say they are committing a sex crime by torture ect.. they can steal all you own. Well screw them. Stand up America.Take legal action against them, get restraining orders and file charges. They are rich enought and do not need to steal from you. The economic collapse is bad enough don’t let any of these crooks take it to the next level. No they are’nt the only ones. Be aware and don’t be scared. Take action America. The time is now!!
Murder
Nov 23, 2008
Murder does not stop them either. Murder is common in these groups. Protect yourself. Don’t fall victim. Never go into wooded areas alone if these nutcases tell you. Never go unprotected with people you do not know. Don’t let them fool you. They are masters of deception but, you must be one step ahead of the game. Nobody’s fool!!
Storm
Nov 24, 2008
Substandard exterior home conditions (including indoor furniture on the front lawn) are among the biggest signs of a community’s decline and can directly influence a home’s resell value. As such, communities have enacted standards to which owners must maintain their properties. Freeman knew of this ordinance but disagreed with it. He was cited for an ordinance violation and ordered to appear in court. (As others have correctly posted, there is Freeman has no right to confront the original complaintant nor does he have the right to disregard the procedural rules of the court.)At the start of the hearing, Freeman refused to stand when the judge entered into the courtroom and refused to address the judge in an appropriate manner. He was given a warning and instructed as to how to properly address the court. He refused to acknowledge that instruction. As such, he was charged for being in contempt of court at which time various observing members of the gallery began vocalizing their support for Freeman. The hearing was then moved to another room closed to the public. There, Freeman continued his contemptuous behavior and speech and was charged twice more. (And, just for the record, this is not my opinion but rather an accurate recollection of the event – far more honest than the poorly edited and highly biased version posted to YouTube, eh Hampton?)
TheSnarkmeister
Nov 24, 2008
How amusing is it, that those of a fascist bent feel compelled to argue their case in a clearly hostile forum, as though they are going to convince any rational person of their insanity. It only goes to further support the case that fascination with the state is a religion unto itself, with its own dogma, and acolytes desperate to convert the unconverted — who can’t be allowed to stand as an affront to their own submission.
Ray
Nov 24, 2008
Storm:
First the Supreme court has already ruled on the standing issue. Only if he were a lawyer or an officer of the court could this be contempt of court.
Second the closed hearing was illegal. The solution to the noisy court room is to either also cite those who refuse to be quite, or clear the courtroom and then try again. A closed court is only an available option for immediately threat of violence, and then not available as an option for any final dispositions, but only for purposes of hearing matter specifically related to continuing the case, and how to secure the situation so violence will not occur. None of which apply here.
There have already been a number of communities who have tried this kind of behavior and have had to pay out a few mill to those on the other side. Lets hope this community also has to do so.
I will agree that probably the complaining person does not have to be identified. This depends a little upon the exact law. But I do wonder why they picked this fight in the first place. If you will remember the specific case details, this sofa was in fact part of a Halloween decoration setup. One question is if this set of decorations was the only one in the town that violated the ordinances.
Ray
Nov 24, 2008
OH well the post “button” got pressed by my palm in the lap top.
I think that it would have been interesting to bring into it any decorations on the city official’s lawns and houses. I might have tried to bring the entire town in as witnesses. The judge would not have probably allowed it, but it sure would have made for an interesting time. It would seem to me that the real solution would be to have purchased all of the left over Halloween decorations after the holiday, put them up on the lawn and house legally. With note as to why prominently displayed. I can assure you this would have a whole lot more effect on property values than a sofa on the lawn over Halloween.
Bob
Nov 24, 2008
Hey Storm, read #17 up above. That attitude is going to become more and more common as times get tougher. When people are broke, they get mad. They might even get hungry. When people get mad and hungry, they might throw just about anything out on their lawn and you can be sure that in their minds, they will have a damn good reason for doing so. Trying to impose fines and jail time on someone for having unsightly objects on their lawn is soon going to get cops beaten or shot, especially if they come knockin’ six months after the perpetrators have lost their jobs.
The times they are a changin’.
The justice system better get back to serving up justice, instead of enforcing stupid laws and collecting fines. Patience is going to wear thin for that type of crap. You get average Joe American mad and the Rodney King riots will look like kids playing in the park.
Bob
Nov 24, 2008
Snarkmeister. The only thing more amusing than a facist arguing his case, is a facist getting strung up like Mussolini. You can only push people so far.
People won’t revolt unless they are literally hungry, so watch for that development. When you start to see it, head for the hills.
Solve a problem
Nov 25, 2008
Another method law enforcement is using to force people to commit a crime is by doing things that cost them a great deal of money such as repairs that are not covered by insurance such as tire repairs. This can be prevented and you can come out a winner. What you do is go to a discounted tire place get free road hazard repair and pay a small free where they will replace the whole tire free if something has damaged it. This will save time, headaches, money and you will come out ahead of these dirty bastards. Take a bite out of cop crime and WIN big. Hell who does not like free tire replacement? IT is like getting a free Christmas pressent early and it is cheap too. Nothing’s gonna stop us now!!
Hitler wanna be's
Nov 25, 2008
They will only win if you let them. Don’t let them. Don’t stoop to thier level either. They are’nt worth a shit and neither is thier crappy car. Besides you can use a flash light and find the gifts they left that would destroy your tires ect..
Jeff Hoyt
Nov 25, 2008
Greetings, Bob – all is well, thank you. My line of work and the region I perform it in keeps me relatively immune to the kind of thing we are seeing now. Will say no more as this dialogue is completely off topic. All the best…
Thanksgiving
Nov 26, 2008
Have a great turkey day!! Don’t let the pigs steal your turkey. They may use mind games and try to mess with you but, they will never mess up your life unless you let them. I am all for the Maffia’s way off keepa your moutha shut. Best wishes.
In her own backyard
Nov 27, 2008
Everyone has been watching the investigation of Miss. Anthony regarding Caylee Anthony. If her Mom would go ,as far as, to lie to the FBI by giving false information and the wrong hair brush she must know that the girl is dead. Her daughter was very low-income and could not afford gas to drive allover. Her car was dead her ex-cop boyfriend said. Her daughter could be in a shallow grave in the back yard. Her father was an ex-cop who could have easily lied too. In this sick twisted family with corrupt cops involved it is easy to see that would be a place they would never look or find the body. They need to search there. She may have told her Mom she killed the girl by accident. The child may have had behavioral problems or a disablity that annoyed the grandmother too. The photo from Orlando at the mall clearly ressembles the mother sitting on the bench in front of her if you look at the facial structure and ect.. Let’s hope for the sake of American children they find the answer.
Concrete
Nov 27, 2008
Concrete was laid at the Anthony home on July 4,2008 when no one was around. That is most likely where she could be.
Bob
Nov 29, 2008
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NUTS
Nov 29, 2008
I have been around people like this. They are total sociopaths. They do not care about anyone but, themselves. They would not stop at killing a relative if it put a halt to thier fun or any thing in thier make-believe world of la la land. Child abuse happens every day and can lead to horrifick acts of violence like what happened to this girl. In order to stop it they should teach more birth control methods, bring back old fashioned family values and if a mother wants to put a child up for adoption such as Caysee did they should let her. Unwanted children cause many problems in society. Many become abusive mean criminals and even killers. You can see the sadness in the child’s eyes in her photo on the bed. She knows her Mom did not want her and she was depressed. The sad truth is this all could have been prevented. If people don’t want kids don’t have them. Use a rubber or get the pill. Too many lives are ruined by careless people just out for a thrill. Human life is at stake not, who can party and have the most orgasms. Forget about all that and do what is right.
Ray
Nov 29, 2008
Wonder how we got from a guy who probably should have behaved better running into a judge who behaved even worse to the Anthony family. What may or may not have happened to Caylee is tragic, but has very little to do with the specific topic of this thread, or the general topic of this site.
This sight
Nov 30, 2008
Actually it has a lot to do with this sight. The Anthony family father is a cop and the Caysee who got in trouble’s boyfriend was an ex cop. Before she killed the girl he had told her he did not want any girl children. There is corruption at work and corrupt cops need to be exposed. This is a great sight for doing so. It also has to do with this thread because, it is another prime example of how shit happens when corruption is allowed to be.
Ray
Nov 30, 2008
Well if you think so get the moderator to start a new thread. This certainly has nothing to do with this one. Fair warning if this does pass the moderator’s test to be a new thread I fully intend to tell you just how stupid your statements are in the new thread. But this is not the place for that.
Golden thread
Dec 01, 2008
Why are you so upset? Are you the father of that child and you had something to do with it? This could get more interesting. Why the hell do you care? Why do you feel the need to insult are you a cop with a bad attitude? Did I insult you? No I have more class and I have better things to do then call people names that I do not know. Ya it is not the place for you so, unless you have something to say with integrity I would move on Ray. Micheal is a respectable man who will start a new thread when he feels like it. He is not your slave to push around!!! Bye bye Ray Ray.
Ray
Dec 01, 2008
I just think we should pay attention to the point here.
The point of this thread is to discuss the misbehavior and abuse of power by a judge in a specific case that has nothing to do with the Anthony case. To bring it up is abuse of this site and does annoy me. This is a serious matter and to serious of a matter to sideline with this abuse.
The site itself here is to discuss security and its abuse. There are some parts of the the Anthony situation that does limitedly apply to the site purpose, but most does not. I think that one area that most applies is the fact that many of the protesters are not in jail. From what I have seen of the video a few hundred of the protesters at the Anthony homes should now be serving time. From the video 30-90 day sentences should be common, and I have seen at least three events which should require a year or more. They seem to believe that they have the right to trespass on and even damage private property. They in all probability don’t even have the legal right to protest on public property in this case. I would suspect that one of the reasons that the police there is not hiring some “paddy buses” and carting these people off is that they are all for the protesters putting pressure on the family. On the other hand if I was the defense if this does go to trial I would move for a full dismissal on the basis of this a lot of other things I am seeing here for proprietorial misconduct.
As I said if you want to discuss this get the site manager to start another thread. But you won’t like the results.
No I am not a cop. Several of the cops here can tell you that they are frequently upset with me for what I tell them.
Bob
Dec 02, 2008
I was re-reading my post #12. It sounds like I am promoting intimidation as the way to get what you want. That’s not how I meant it.
People with character and principles(good or bad)will not back down when threatened, IF they stand for something and believe in what they are doing. If we are wrongfully pushed, it is our duty to push back.
People without character and principles will wilt when faced with a real threat but they will do whatever they can get away with in the meantime.
Strong opposition to a weasel of a judge will smarten that judge up, just the same as a strong justice system will reduce criminal behavior. It works both ways.
Someone complained because they didn’t like the way Ian Freeman kept his yard. HIS YARD. The judge acted on that complaint and attempted to punish Ian Freeman for the way he looked after HIS property. When Mr. Freeman tried to object, the judge cited him for contempt and had him forcibly confined for a number of days. Exactly who has contempt for who?
There are undoubtedly, far more serious crimes going unpunished in this country(as our somewhat looney friend has been pointing out) and the justice system spending taxpayer money in an effort to force people to properly dispose of their old furniture, is a waste.
I think in this case, where the judge has obviously abused his authority, a stern talking to by a few concerned citizens would do wonders for his contemptuous attitude.
In the words of Hank Williams Junior, this judge needs an attitude adjustment. He was wrong and needs to be made aware of that fact.
Or whatever. I’m full of crap sometimes.
Bob
Dec 02, 2008
Bob knows what he is talking about. This sight has everything to do with the bs in law enforcement too though. About the protesters, I don’t think they should be jailed. That death could have been prevented with adoption. That is what the mother wanted and she would be free to whore around with the birth control pill once, she learned her lesson. Ray you need a chill pill. You worry too much about stupid shit that is none of your concern. This is an open forum not a Natzi web sight to kiss your ass. Hank Williams is an excellent example of a tough man who will not be broken down by anyone including coward corrupt pigs.
Hank Williams Jr.
Dec 03, 2008
His original classic hits volume 18 is great. It has don’t give us a reason (to the terrorists), Mr. Lincoln, I’ve got rights, The Coalition to ban coalitions, Give a damn and ect.. He is so right. Stand up America or you will get to your coffin too fast. YOu have rights and are free!!
Rights violation
Dec 04, 2008
Your rights are being violated again. This time at your public school. Teachers are now stealing from the students more than ever before. Forget about it. Homeschool and save tons of money. Your child will get a better education too if they are having problems. Who needs abusive staff and teachers that make money for the school with thier mentally ill program bs? August 8,2008 if you live in California you do not need a teaching credetnial to provide homeshool. We are proud to be Americans where at least we know we are free!!! In the words of Pink Floyd” Hey teacher leave them kids alone”. “We don’t need no mind control”.
spelling error
Dec 04, 2008
Sorry for spelling error of credential. When you type fast and work like a dog this happens lol
Evil revenue
Dec 06, 2008
Beware the cities,states and towns are out trying to trick you to take your house to make money for thier corrupt government. Hell no ignore them. I cannot believe the elaborate costumes they wear and bs they pull. Enough is enough already. They need to get honset. They suck. Don’t fall victim to these heartless pieces of shit.
pets
Dec 09, 2008
Another act of evil these bastards do is they tease and torment your pets to give tickets to get revenue and try to drive you to jail. Don’t let this happen. Catch them and tell them no way. If they come to give you a false ticket don’t answer the door. Try to keep your pet inside when you can and don’t let them ruin your good relationship with your pets. Your pet wants to protect you. The pet loves you. They often use light at night to torment them ect..
Bob
Dec 09, 2008
You’re crazy buddy. My pets don’t love me. I had a little dog that used to try and love me and but all it got him was a swift kick in the heiney.
You’re way off topic now.
I’m not listeninnnngggggg…LA! Laaaa,la,lalalalalalaaa…!
Scum bucket scam
Dec 09, 2008
A huge scam that has been going on for decades is there are these scuzy home builders that do everything wrong on houses to try to use thier cheap scum ass law enforcement buddies to buy houses for cheap by doing so. They also try to kill the people buying the houses. Prime examples hooking up things wrong such as the airconditioner to cause huge bills. They also do not connect the overflow on bathtubs to cause extensive damage then try not to cover it. The list goes on and on. They also do not do the electricity hook up to cause more problems and huge bills. Before you buy a brand new house be sure to have your plumbing inspected before all walls are put up, have the electricity inspected and everything else with a different source or you will get screwed. Our relative died from this overflowthing causes cancer causing mold. Please protect yourselves now before it is too late. They try to get people to turn to crime because, they can fix it the house after the people are in jail or dead.
Bob
Dec 09, 2008
You are a sick man. Did your mom beat you with an ugly stick? Get help and you can live a better life. You are not that abused little boy anymore. You don’t need pets you need a shrink. You are too young to die. Please save yourself.
Bob
Dec 10, 2008
“What a strange person. Is there um, anyone else up there we could talk to?”
Just ignore him. Let’s go away before he taunts us a second time.
Bob
Dec 10, 2008
Maybe this guy is working for the cops or the CIA or the FBI, and he is here to disrupt this anti government website.
What better way than to pretend that you are some kind of paranoid, authority hating wingnut.
Well played Uncle Sam. Tax dollars at work.
Bob
Dec 10, 2008
Ya that is it Bob I am a CIA agent. I know the truth don’t I? I am just waiting to hunt you down and kill you. Give me a break you are a bit paranoid. They make pills for that. I am all for this sight. Taunt you? Come on. You are the one who said you beat up little puppies. If that is not sick I don’t know what is. No you cant talk to my group. They do not talk. They are against jail and ect.. so, they exercise thier right to remain silent. But remember I am just here to piss you off and spy on you. I am watching you right now. lol
Ray
Dec 10, 2008
Any chance that we can go back to discussing this judge abusing his authority and the police supporting him in this activity?
Ray
Dec 10, 2008
No fuck that it is boring and yesterday’s news. It happens everyday Ray. They are probably stealing together. Oh well the Maffia will murder them in a few years. No loss.
Judge
Dec 10, 2008
These judges use these cops ,as a source of income. Many of them are related. They have the Dixie Maffia in thier group. I have found some of the cops kill eachother and thier relative takes over thier badge with a false id. They all end up dead. They may be rich for a short time but, they cannot take it with them to the grave. What have you got to say about that Ray?
dave
Dec 10, 2008
right a new article Mr. Hampton and end this it’s getting lame.
clem
Dec 10, 2008
“taunt us a second time” Classic Bob…..
New case
Dec 11, 2008
Are you aware that many cops and judges use false names to do whatever the hell they want to? IF you find out thier real name they behave because, you could sue the shit out of them. Finding out thier real name is not hard. They are not too bright.
Bob
Dec 11, 2008
Bob I am watching you real close. I know when you have been bad or good so be good for godness sake. lol I won’t be going down your chimney bad bad man lol
Bob
Dec 11, 2008
Can you hear my voice in public and when you are in the bathroom? I am watching you so closely I can hear you poop. I am your worst nightmare. But, who am I? A cop, A CIA agent, An FBI agent?? Ya that’s it. Why else would I waste my time listening to you in the bathroom. Don’t you think I have better things to do? Nah your too much fun for me. Besides who can drop a bomb,as well as, you can?
Bob
Dec 12, 2008
Okay little buddy, you win. Just let me crap in peace and try to act like a sane human being for the sake of everybody here. Michael probably has ways of tracking down your computer and shutting you down so don’t keep pushing him.
stupidamerkin
Jan 30, 2011
Maybe we could learn a few things from the people of Egypt.
stupidamerkin
Jan 30, 2011
I did 2 days for contempt when I did not stand for the aho, (administrative hearing officer) and threatened by another aho, same county with the same if I did not stand up for him. These criminal thugs disguised in black robes behind respectability are out of control. When you begin to really comprehend what is happening in these dens of corruption, (courts)you can see more crimes being committed in one hour in these fraudulent de-facto corporate dog and pony shows, then you will ever see in your entire life out on the street. This doesn’t cover the executive side who are there to enforce the bidding of these top thugs right or wrong. Absolute power, corrupts absolutely and it is next to impossible to convince someone of the truth when their pay checks depend on them not knowing the truth. We call it PFP, (policing for profit).
“When armed force compels compliance with mythical laws and money is demanded for its violation, power will corrupt and greed will never be satisfied.”
Richard L Koenig