Marc Stevens: Delusions

March 26, 2009 @ Michael Hampton15 Comments

If you consider yourself a citizen of the United States of America, or of any other country, you should not watch this video until you have mentally prepared yourself to have everything you believe in challenged. You have been warned.

What if everything you believed in turned out to be just a set of delusions programmed into you from early childhood? How would you react upon learning this? Most people will go into denial and get very highly emotional, even to the point of violence. You are probably no exception.

If you continue reading, and watch this video, you will be taking the first step in freeing yourself from a pervasive cult which binds far too many people. A good start to mentally preparing yourself would be to go back and watch Glen Jacobs’ talk from the 2009 New Hampshire Liberty Forum.

Marc Stevens also spoke at the Liberty Forum regarding the delusions most people believe in and live their lives under. Stevens, who worked for over a decade as a legal consultant, helped people win court cases ranging from minor traffic tickets to major tax cases. He tells his story of how he came to understand these delusions and how he used them to win in court. This didn’t come without a price, though, as in the process his clients also came to understand the delusions they had been living under.

“I had somebody who didn’t call me for six months,” Stevens said during his talk. “‘Where the hell you been?’ He basically said, ‘I couldn’t stand you. You tore my reality out and didn’t replace it with anything.’”

The delusions, of course, are that there is a state, and that you are a citizen of it. To prove this, Stevens cites from numerous court cases, Lysander Spooner’s No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority, and common sense.

“They force us into their little schools when we’re four or five years old and they ram their crap down our throats day in and day out.”

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None of this was new to me as I had come to much the same conclusions almost two years ago through the process of writing for Homeland Stupidity. But it will be a much more difficult process for most people, and I’d guess that most people who watch this video and read these words will not be ready to accept this simple truth. In his talk, Stevens also addresses why people have this psychological reaction, so if you are among the majority who stopped watching partway through, you may wish to go back and finish the video.

Marc Stevens wrote the book Adventures in Legal Land, in which he goes into further detail as well as providing case citations, and methods people can use in court to challenge almost anything the bureaucrats are trying to put them through. He also hosts a radio show, The No State Project.

The Free State Project, which aims to have 20,000 activists move to New Hampshire to work toward establishing a free society, hosts the annual New Hampshire Liberty Forum to showcase the state and provide potential participants the opportunity to meet other liberty lovers and investigate the feasibility of a move for themselves. This year’s theme, “Many Paths to Liberty,” was meant to highlight the fact that freedom may not be achieved by any single method but by individual people working toward freedom in their own unique ways, according to conference organizer Chris Lawless.

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15 Comments → “Marc Stevens: Delusions”


  1. Kyle M

    Mar 27, 2009

    Great video. Thanks for posting it. Marc Stevens, brilliant as always!

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  2. Rocky

    Mar 28, 2009

    You might like to link to our web page www.ideas-wanted.com where we are entirely focused on trying to destroy the IRS.

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  3. Loma Wharton

    Mar 29, 2009

    http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=eric+whoru
    Please listen to Eric, he is a personal friend of mine and I want your opinion on his replacement of the FED, and end all taxation, Loma

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  4. Bob

    Mar 29, 2009

    I agree with a lot of the things Marc Stevens said. One thing that stood out for me, was when he said that there really are no such things as rights. That’s bang on. But there is so much that he didn’t say, and he seems to firmly believe in the “us and them” concept. “THEY have done this to us.”
    I don’t buy that.

    Humans form groups because humans have a need for groups. The worst thing that can happen to most individuals is isolation.
    Leave a person alone for long enough and he will try to do himself in. Individuals need to be part of a group, but very few will be willing to lead that group. Those that choose to lead will take advantage of the rest, and the whole group will tolerate it(to a very extreme point in some cases)because it’s better than being alone. It has always been that way.

    Yes, the Constitution is just paper. Yes, rights to tax others do not exist. Yes, yes, yes to every point he made, but we choose to believe these delusions because it’s what is required of us if we want to belong to the group. The American group. It’s not a dark conspiracy, it’s group mentality.
    (The American group is basically the whole western world at this point, although many would dispute that.)

    I think where I would really disagree with Mr. Stevens, if I ever had the chance to talk to him at length, would be on the one thing that seemed to come up over and over again during his talk.
    He seems to think that by us believing our delusions and supporting our particular group, as does every other member of all the other groups in the world, we actually cause the world to be a much more violent place because our delusions eventually manifest themselves in wars. In reality, I think evidence would support that exactly the opposite is true.

    Think about it.
    A person can’t stand to be alone and usually will try to kill himself if the situation goes on long enough. Put another person into that one man group, keep them confined, and eventually they will find something to fight about. Without some sort of control, one will kill the other. Put three people together and two will gang up on one. That one person might die, but the casualty rate in the three man group is less than the two man group and way lower than in the one man group. Your odds of staying alive get better as the size of your group increases. The biggest threat to a human life does not come from the environment, but from other humans. We’re at the top of the food chain, man.

    Living in large deluded groups keeps us from killing each other and focuses our killing efforts on other groups. Our leaders even try to minimize those killing sprees(wars) through diplomatic efforts. “THEY” are doing humanity a favor, but the price you pay is living with delusions.

    If you could convince everyone that they were individuals and turn them loose into an “every man for himself” situation, we would be knee deep in corpses.
    Individuals could live together, but six billion of them would need way more personal space than what we have now on this planet. Occasional interaction is the best we can tolerate.

    Maybe people get mad when they are exposed to these ideas that Marc speaks of, because deep down they realize that believing in individuality is an actual threat to their life. “Shut up Marc! You’re threatening me!”
    Like the old Highlander series. Remember? All the immortals were individuals but eventually “There could be only one”. Nobody wants to live like that. It’s freedom but it’s terrifying.
    Don’t ask me why it’s like this. I’m just making observations.
    Interesting video.

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  5. No one

    Mar 29, 2009

    The video was okay. Kind of boring and a little too long for me. Marc is incorrect in his definition of citizen. He quotes the statutory definition, which is useful only to the people who wrote it.

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  6. No one

    Mar 29, 2009

    “I agree with a lot of the things Marc Stevens said. One thing that stood out for me, was when he said that there really are no such things as rights. That’s bang on.”

    That’s actually not “bang on.” We do have rights, but no one has been able to “crack the code” so-to-speak in order to prove it. I can do this, but since I’m not a radio show host or a writer, or anyone “famous” in the patriot movement, I will never be called upon to prove it. So tough shit for everyone. Ha ha ha

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  7. Bob

    Mar 29, 2009

    If you are standing alone in your underwear at the North Pole, you can scream about your rights until you are blue in the face but it won’t make one bit of difference. You’re screwed.

    That’s what I’m talking about. Rights don’t exist in the same realm as wind, snow and polar bears.

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  8. Michael Hampton

    Mar 29, 2009

    Bob, if it’s in human nature to kill people with whom we disagree, and that some sort of control is required to prevent or reduce this tendency, the question then becomes, what should that control be?

    Right now the control, everywhere on the planet, is that a tiny minority of people is given — by mass delusion — the power to control and even kill the vast majority, with impunity. Of course, there’s nothing special about the tiny minority; they too are human and, if you accept this premise, have it in their nature to kill those with whom they disagree. This is where your wars come from. This is why there will always be abuse of power in government; there is no way to eliminate it because it’s inherent in the system.

    I would put the suggestion to you that if there were another way to achieve the social control necessary to keep people from killing each other, that did not require giving some tiny minority power to kill anyone they wanted, it would be worth pursuing.

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  9. No one

    Mar 29, 2009

    “Rights don’t exist in the same realm as wind, snow and polar bears.”

    Rights do exist. They just don’t exist in the realm of liars, tyrants, usurpers, trespassers, robbers and murderers, which this country is full of. Catch one of them in the act, however, and the light begins to shine.

    If, you wish to form some rational opinion of the extent of the robbery practiced in this country, look no further than to The Holders of the Monopoly Money. Therein you will find [your] robbers of human rights. good day.

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  10. Michael Garcia

    Mar 30, 2009

    Marc’s got some great stuff going on in the courtroom. I recorded Marc’s speech and several of the other liberty forum speakers. check out my youtube channel.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/freestatereport

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  11. PJ

    Apr 01, 2009

    Money corrupts absolutely. Absolute Power corrupts absolutely. Why is this criminal getting off scott-free? Political favors owed? Democrats and Republicans in the same boat…There is no Justice and they killed her off. Its all a sham of the justice system run by the people with money and power.

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  12. Marc Stevens

    Apr 08, 2009

    First, thanks to Michael for posting the video.

    Bob, feel free to call the show so we can speak, I’m live every Saturday starting at 2:00 pm cst on liberty news radio, you can hear it and get the call in numbers at libertynewsradio (dot) com

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  13. Scott

    May 14, 2009

    Why was the No State Project removed from Liberty radio? Why did they kick Marc Stevens off the air waves?

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  14. ew keane

    Jun 13, 2009

    How will the NY and Boston crowd react to loosing the right to plunder in every state in the land if the free state idea catches on?

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  15. Jake Witmer

    Nov 24, 2009

    Isn’t it awesome that the side of individual freedom has people like Marc Stevens in it? I mean, think about the implications: Sean Hannity can never even acknowledge that Marc Stevens exists, because if he does, he would look like a coward for not debating him.

    …Their side cannot compete with our logic. In any debate, Stevens or Molyneux will win. So they need to run away from any challenge of ours.

    If they “give us enough rope to hang ourselves”, peculiarly, they will wind up dangling from its end.

    Funny how that works.

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