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	<title>Comments on: John Taylor Gatto: Walkabout London: An Unscientific Look at Open-Source Education</title>
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		<title>By: Government study finds Head Start &#8220;costly failure&#8221; &#124; Homeland Stupidity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Government study finds Head Start &#8220;costly failure&#8221; &#124; Homeland Stupidity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] proven less expensive with better results. Even if the bureaucrats have no ulterior motives, which isn&#8217;t terribly likely, this isn&#8217;t good for your children, and alone is enough to justify removing them from public [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] proven less expensive with better results. Even if the bureaucrats have no ulterior motives, which isn&#8217;t terribly likely, this isn&#8217;t good for your children, and alone is enough to justify removing them from public [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Liberty Conspiracy &#8211; 1-5-10 Peppermint and Govt. Schools &#124; Homeland Stupidity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberty Conspiracy &#8211; 1-5-10 Peppermint and Govt. Schools &#124; Homeland Stupidity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] little if any satisfaction in changing the bad system.Now imagine that this school system has been dumbing down American kids for decades.Imagine someone speaking out against it.That&#8217;s why we&#8217;re in the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] little if any satisfaction in changing the bad system.Now imagine that this school system has been dumbing down American kids for decades.Imagine someone speaking out against it.That&#8217;s why we&#8217;re in the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: susan28</title>
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		<dc:creator>susan28</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 05:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it should say &quot;gattopage&quot; not &quot;gettopage&quot; on the spinninglobe url in the last post. i see i&#039;m continuing to bat a thousand on the dang hyperlinks, heh..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it should say &#8220;gattopage&#8221; not &#8220;gettopage&#8221; on the spinninglobe url in the last post. i see i&#8217;m continuing to bat a thousand on the dang hyperlinks, heh..</p>
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		<title>By: susan28</title>
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		<dc:creator>susan28</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 03:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i remember reading this speech by Woodrow Wilson once in an address to Princeton where he outright stated in no uncertain terms that we must intentionally stunt the development and curtail the social mobility of the vast majority of people to meet the needs of the coming industrial society and that the school system was the proper mechanism to do that - and he was a principal before he was president and a rabid Presbyterian to boot. a freaking Calvinist nightmare with all his National Destiny tirades and ranting about &quot;non-conformists&quot; being marked for destruction along with all other &quot;malcontents&quot;. he was fucking *nuts*, mama didn&#039;t hug him enough or something, and not surprisingly hailed as one of our &quot;greatest&quot; presidents as all tyrants are.

reading Gatto is like waking up and realising you really weren&#039;t crazy all these years and they really are out to get you, heh. a true American hero.

&lt;a href=&quot;www.spinninglobe.net/gattopage.htm&quot; title=&quot;here&quot; is a collection of articles he wrote for SKOLE, The Journal of American Education, along with some ideas from different alternative schooling groups, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.preservenet.com/theory/Gatto.html&quot; title=&quot;here&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is a collection of more philosophical essays of his on Preservenet, including The Six Lesson Schoolteacher, all required reading.

the url&#039;s incase the links don&#039;t take are spinninglobe-dot-net-slash-gettopage-dot-htm and preservenet-dot-com-slash-theory-slash-gatto-dot-html.

Michael is that Gatto&#039;s whole Liberty Forum presentation? i was positively livid at having missed it when i found out he&#039;d been there and am hoping he&#039;s coming again this year - any word on that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i remember reading this speech by Woodrow Wilson once in an address to Princeton where he outright stated in no uncertain terms that we must intentionally stunt the development and curtail the social mobility of the vast majority of people to meet the needs of the coming industrial society and that the school system was the proper mechanism to do that &#8211; and he was a principal before he was president and a rabid Presbyterian to boot. a freaking Calvinist nightmare with all his National Destiny tirades and ranting about &#8220;non-conformists&#8221; being marked for destruction along with all other &#8220;malcontents&#8221;. he was fucking *nuts*, mama didn&#8217;t hug him enough or something, and not surprisingly hailed as one of our &#8220;greatest&#8221; presidents as all tyrants are.</p>
<p>reading Gatto is like waking up and realising you really weren&#8217;t crazy all these years and they really are out to get you, heh. a true American hero.</p>
<p>&lt;a href=&#8221;www.spinninglobe.net/gattopage.htm&#8221; title=&#8221;here&#8221; is a collection of articles he wrote for SKOLE, The Journal of American Education, along with some ideas from different alternative schooling groups, and <a href="http://www.preservenet.com/theory/Gatto.html" title="here" rel="nofollow"></a> is a collection of more philosophical essays of his on Preservenet, including The Six Lesson Schoolteacher, all required reading.</p>
<p>the url&#8217;s incase the links don&#8217;t take are spinninglobe-dot-net-slash-gettopage-dot-htm and preservenet-dot-com-slash-theory-slash-gatto-dot-html.</p>
<p>Michael is that Gatto&#8217;s whole Liberty Forum presentation? i was positively livid at having missed it when i found out he&#8217;d been there and am hoping he&#8217;s coming again this year &#8211; any word on that?</p>
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		<title>By: Understanding design &#38; software freedom: 2009-03-07 John Taylor Gatto on &#8220;Open Source Education&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Understanding design &#38; software freedom: 2009-03-07 John Taylor Gatto on &#8220;Open Source Education&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 18:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Taylor Gatto made a speech on the 7th of March this year, and the video from homelandstupidity.us is embedded above. It is also available to buy on DVD from booktv.org and you can download the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: psikeyhackr</title>
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		<dc:creator>psikeyhackr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now NETBOOKS are arriving in the US for $300 to $500. This is cheap enough to give to grade school kids. I noticed there weren&#039;t any American educators screaming for OLPCs for American kids. What IRONY!

So how can we get kids to self-educate via cheap computers and the internet and let the school systems go hang?

They want $100 or more per book for some college courses. So books for 4 courses would pay for a netbook. Maybe the books are $20 in grade school.

But another factor with electronic books is that they don&#039;t wear out and they can be upgraded a chapter or even a paragraph at a time. No need to buy new books. This ultimately presents a problem for the text book publishing business.

But I was really thinking about parents getting them for kids as a supplement to regular school or for home schooling. I think the computer revolution has not really hit yet in terms of what it can do for human knowledge. The companies just want everybody to upgrade every other year. Not actually acquire serious and relevant knowledge via computers.

I ran across a successful instance of computer education some time ago. The curious thing is that it doesn&#039;t seem to be ballyhooed very much. You would think our educators want it swept under the rug.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cris.com/~faben1/section1.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vero Beach High School, 1987&lt;/a&gt;

But that was 1987. What was happening with computers back then. Intel had not yet even introduced the 486 processor. The Pentium was 5 years away. How powerful a computer could you get for $5,000 in 1987?

Today some people want to put down these netbooks as not being powerful enough. This ain&#039;t about power, it&#039;s about money. How many companies want people jumping to $350 computers when they are trying to sell $1,000 machines?

But our issue is education. These netbooks can give kids cheap portability and they can do more than any $5,000 computer could back in 1987. So if they proved in Florida that kids likely to drop out could actually enjoy learning with computers what can really be done with these netbooks?

Do you ever think that there are really people who do not want a society of mostly well educated people? How do you maintain a class structured society without a segment of mis-educated peons?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://users.aber.ac.uk/dgc/funtheyhad.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Fun They Had&lt;/a&gt;

We can have it 148 years early with Netbooks.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now NETBOOKS are arriving in the US for $300 to $500. This is cheap enough to give to grade school kids. I noticed there weren&#8217;t any American educators screaming for OLPCs for American kids. What IRONY!</p>
<p>So how can we get kids to self-educate via cheap computers and the internet and let the school systems go hang?</p>
<p>They want $100 or more per book for some college courses. So books for 4 courses would pay for a netbook. Maybe the books are $20 in grade school.</p>
<p>But another factor with electronic books is that they don&#8217;t wear out and they can be upgraded a chapter or even a paragraph at a time. No need to buy new books. This ultimately presents a problem for the text book publishing business.</p>
<p>But I was really thinking about parents getting them for kids as a supplement to regular school or for home schooling. I think the computer revolution has not really hit yet in terms of what it can do for human knowledge. The companies just want everybody to upgrade every other year. Not actually acquire serious and relevant knowledge via computers.</p>
<p>I ran across a successful instance of computer education some time ago. The curious thing is that it doesn&#8217;t seem to be ballyhooed very much. You would think our educators want it swept under the rug.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cris.com/~faben1/section1.shtml" rel="nofollow">Vero Beach High School, 1987</a></p>
<p>But that was 1987. What was happening with computers back then. Intel had not yet even introduced the 486 processor. The Pentium was 5 years away. How powerful a computer could you get for $5,000 in 1987?</p>
<p>Today some people want to put down these netbooks as not being powerful enough. This ain&#8217;t about power, it&#8217;s about money. How many companies want people jumping to $350 computers when they are trying to sell $1,000 machines?</p>
<p>But our issue is education. These netbooks can give kids cheap portability and they can do more than any $5,000 computer could back in 1987. So if they proved in Florida that kids likely to drop out could actually enjoy learning with computers what can really be done with these netbooks?</p>
<p>Do you ever think that there are really people who do not want a society of mostly well educated people? How do you maintain a class structured society without a segment of mis-educated peons?</p>
<p><a href="http://users.aber.ac.uk/dgc/funtheyhad.html" rel="nofollow">The Fun They Had</a></p>
<p>We can have it 148 years early with Netbooks.</p>
<p>psik</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gatto is my hero.  I love him.  He changed my whole paradigm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gatto is my hero.  I love him.  He changed my whole paradigm.</p>
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		<title>By: Kitsune-sama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kitsune-sama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 06:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...
Just read comment 1, and was wondering if it was written by that crazy &quot;Pigs&quot; guy. Is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;<br />
Just read comment 1, and was wondering if it was written by that crazy &#8220;Pigs&#8221; guy. Is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Kitsune(kit-soon-ae)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kitsune(kit-soon-ae)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 05:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been to both public and private schools as well as been schooled at home. Out of those 3 options, Homeschool was the least hellish. I plan to homeschool my kids whether or not it&#039;s still legal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been to both public and private schools as well as been schooled at home. Out of those 3 options, Homeschool was the least hellish. I plan to homeschool my kids whether or not it&#8217;s still legal.</p>
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		<title>By: openworld</title>
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		<dc:creator>openworld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next, I hope -- students becoming vested as co-owners of for-profit virtual or actual schools.  Initial ideas on this and related opportunities such microvouchers for online learning are at www.entrepreneurialshools.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next, I hope &#8212; students becoming vested as co-owners of for-profit virtual or actual schools.  Initial ideas on this and related opportunities such microvouchers for online learning are at <a href="http://www.entrepreneurialshools.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.entrepreneurialshools.com</a>.</p>
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