Police officers dressed as gangbangers shot and killed a northeast Georgia pastor Tuesday as he was trying to drive away from a convenience store.
Jonathan Paul Ayers, 28, had been the pastor of Shoal Creek Baptist Church in Livonia for about a year before the fatal shooting. That day, police said, Ayers was seen engaging in an apparent drug transaction with, and then dropping off, a woman who was under surveillance by a northeast Georgia tri-county drug task force. The woman was later arrested on cocaine charges, but no drugs were found on Ayers or in his car.
Surveillance video from the Shell station in Toccoa where the shooting took place shows Ayers coming inside to use the ATM and then, as he is trying to drive out of the parking lot, a Cadillac Escalade attempts to box him in, while what appear to be gangbangers jump out of the SUV and point guns at him. Ayers reverses direction and tries to get around the vehicle, and one of the gangbangers runs into the vehicle’s path and is apparently struck lightly. At this point Ayers puts the car in drive again and the gangbangers start shooting at Ayers.
“He was struggling with the agents. He got back into the car, put the car in drive and started driving toward the other agent who fired two shots in to the automobile,” Stephens County sheriff Randy Shirley told WSB radio. But the store surveillance video shows Ayers was already driving away when what appeared to be gangbangers arrived and blocked his car.
Later it would be learned that the gangbangers were undercover police officers, something store owner Joe Joseph said he didn’t know when he heard the gunshots.
“I saw the first gunshot outside,” he said. “And I was looking outside, I saw a red Honda car backing up — backed up where the air machine is and stopped … I thought they were shooting each other. I didn’t know they were undercover agents. There was nothing marked.”
They shot two more times (after) the second shot, he took off,” Joseph said. “I think whatever they’ve done is wrong because in a business place and the daytime.” — WYFF-TV
“I had a parking lot full of people,” Joseph told WNEG-TV. “I mean they could have blown up one of my pumps and that would have been a total mess.”
Ayers reportedly crashed into a utility pole a short distance away and was taken to the hospital.
“Who shot me?” he asked EMTs who responded.
Ayers’ brother-in-law, Matt Carpenter, says that this means he did not know the gangbangers were also undercover police officers.
“I think it scared him,” when the black Cadillac Escalade pulled next to Ayers’ car and two men got out with guns drawn, said Carpenter.
Carpenter said that’s why he tried to speed away. . . .
“I’ve rerun it in my mind,” Carpenter said. “He had used an ATM inside, got into his car and then a black Escalade pulled up and [they] jumped out . . . If they ID’d themselves, he couldn’t hear them because his windows were up.” — Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The Cadillac Escalade is popular among gangbangers of both the ordinary criminal variety and the police variety.
“They deserve punishment,” said Ayers’ sister, Rebecca Floyd. “They deserve to feel somewhat of the pain we’re feeling, because I can’t get my brother back he’s gone forever.”
Floyd said there’s no way her younger brother would have run if he would have known the men who had guns were officers. The officers were undercover and weren’t in uniform, but investigators said they had badges around their necks and clearly identified themselves.
“I think anyone in that situation would run,” Floyd said. “I know I would. If someone pulled up to me with guns, I would run.”
She said her brother was known to help strangers.
“I could bet my life on it he did not know her,” she said. “I could bet my life on it, because that’s the kind of person he was. He was a good Christian man, and that was his goal was to lead souls to Christ.” — WYFF-TV
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation has launched an investigation into the shooting. The two gangbangers, who were not named, are on paid vacation until the investigation is complete.
I can tell you now what the results of the investigation will be. Despite the fact that statements by the sheriff are contradicted by the surveillance video, the investigation will find that the officers followed “proper procedures” and will not be subject to any sort of justice. Police procedures generally allow for shooting at the driver of a car which strikes an officer, which explains why one of the officers ran himself into its way.
Though these police officers will not likely face justice in this life, there is always the next.
Ayers is survived by his wife Abby, who is 16 weeks pregnant.
Jonathan Ayers is the latest victim of Richard Nixon’s long-running, unwinnable, immoral “War on Drugs.” By making illegal things which have no business being illegal in the first place, it has undermined the Constitution and the rule of law itself, turned millions of honest people into “criminals,” caused thousands of innocent people to lose their money, cars and even homes, without ever being charged with a crime, and resulted in countless deaths of innocent people. It has wrought destruction on our society to a scale unequaled by any other U.S. government program.
Ayers showed us by example what we should be doing: minister to those in need, instead of throwing them in cages at taxpayer expense and allowing innocent Americans to get caught in the crossfire. It’s time to end the War on Drugs before any more innocent people lose their cars, their homes or their lives.
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Karl Marx would love the popular moves among politicians in various state governments and the federal government to ban so-called "junk" food in schools, and to "put healthy food in" convenience stores and on the tables of those they define as poor. It's a very elitist and arrogant mindset that promotes this ideology, and it needs to be addressed.
Ultimately, the war supporters in Congress prevailed in the vote on the resolution. Still, the vote was significant because it places every member of Congress on the record as supporting or not supporting the unconstitutional, costly, violent occupation of a country that never attacked us. This vote should serve as an important reminder to the American people of where their representatives really stand when it comes to policing the world, empire building, and war.
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John
Sep 04, 2009
If you saw people in PLAIN CLOTHES getting out of an Escalade with guns drawn, what would you do? Drive away, or stick around to ask questions?? They shot him as he drove AWAY??
These police should be tried for murder. That’s what this is.
Joe Crump
Sep 04, 2009
If this is “proper procedure” then there is a big problem. This shouldn’t happen in America. I agree with John, the officer should be tried for murder.
Tom
Sep 04, 2009
So they wanted to talk to the pastor… why not have a marked police car pull him over and do it the right way. These stupid undercover goons with their macho cowboy tactics just cost a man’s life with untold grief to his family and community. Way to go big tri-county task force. I hope you sleep well after this.
Carlton Barnes
Sep 04, 2009
If they were “investigating” drug sales, why couldn’t they take his tag number, follow him home, or call a marked patrol car to pull him over? Answer: These robothugs want to kill people. They are totally out of control.
Elle
Sep 04, 2009
If people identifying themselves as police and holding badges in a public place wanted to talk to me, I wouldn’t fight them and run over them! Unless of course I was a pastor who had just dropped off the prostitute I had been patronizing for years and feared what would happen if I were caught…
I feel so sorry for his poor wife. Bad enough to have your husband gone and to raise a child alone, but to find out that he was sleeping with prostitutes would be the worst! If he hadn’t been in that place, it never would have happened…
cathy
Sep 04, 2009
This really Is homeland stupidity. The taxpayers as always are going to have to pick up the tab for their stupidity! God bless the family of this young man and I hope they get justice.
Keith
Sep 04, 2009
This Is in response to Elle… If every man was shot that allegedly was with a prostitute, their wouldn’t be very men left now would there? You sound like a scorned woman, do your homework, we arrest, not murder! I fought for my Country, to have rights, what did you do?
Doug!!
Sep 04, 2009
America is pissed. Keep pushing us and the police execution squads will be hitting the streets. “you mean that wasn’t you who beat up the kid who talked back? Your badge looks just like his did.” Dead cop doesn’t offer many advancement opportunities.
Mike
Sep 04, 2009
This man deserves a Federal Investigation into his civil rights being violated. If he was a black minister that would be the standard outcry not to mention getting the national media on the story. I hope for the pastor’s widow’s sake, they pursue this. Nothing against the GBI or whatever body is currently overseeing the investigation, but it’s well known that independence must be sought out if we are to believe their conclusion.
To the moron that thinks this bust was handle right because they were shouting police in a public place. There was no cause for this arrest. He was in the company of a known drug user is not cause. The immediacy of their “taking down this guy” was improper by any stretch. If this guy was confused, scared or uncertain as to who was approaching him with guns and attempted to flea, then pull him over with marked cars, don’t surround his car, that doesn’t calm the situation down, nor does killing him.
KBCraig
Sep 04, 2009
I don’t care if he was a pastor. If Ayers had been a pimp with a trunk full of crack and meth, this would still be a bad shoot.
Charles
Sep 04, 2009
I’m glad the video was there to vindicate this pastor. If you study the video closely you’ll notice many discrepancies between the testimony of the sheriffs dept. and what appeared to actually happen. The sheriffs dept. said “They approached the vehicle. They were in plain clothes. They identified themselves as police officers, which civilian witnesses say happened. They also had badges around their necks.” Pastor Ayers was clearly backing out when the Escalade arrived. The one officer (the one backed into) appeared to come from the passenger side of the Escalade and approached the vehicle from the rear, no doubt unseen by Pastor Ayers since he was undoubtably focused on the other officer approaching his window. As far as there being badges, how can you identify badges from “bling” in that situation with them in plain clothes? I’m thinking the pastor had handed money to the lady he was helping and thought this guy was going to rob him so he tried to flee. I also read the officer that fired was in fear for his life, but I don’t see where the vehicle came anywhere close enough to this man to come to that conclusion. I’m sure the officer that fired the shots had his adrenaline pumping and overreacted; it is all so tragic. I am just thankful the video was there or this would be a one-sided story. Prayers to all.
DKD
Sep 04, 2009
If this is indeed proper police procedure, than we are all in danger! My prayers go to the family.
MLB
Sep 04, 2009
Would this be news if he wasn’t a pastor?
joebanana
Sep 04, 2009
We all know how this will turn out, we’ve seen, too many times, cops blatantly violating peoples rights, killing innocent people on video, and getting away with murder, even though it’s plain to see, they were wrong. Our courts are just as dysfunctional. Corruption is rampant, the rule of law regularly disregarded, courts are just a dog and pony show, and have nothing to do with the FAIR application of justice. This is just another example of how much damage our government is inflicting on our country. The war isn’t on drugs, it’s on American’s, by our own homegrown terrorist government. The drug war is another ILLEGAL war, waged by the Amerikan government. The sad fact is, our government, is a terrorist organization, we’ve been warned by our forefathers, that if we didn’t keep our government under firm control, they’d get out of control, and, they were right.
Jackson
Sep 04, 2009
Police officers are trained to get the bad guy, or the next best thing. If they don’t capture or kill the bad guy, or a close approximation, their budgets will get cut and police will loose jobs! We can’t have any of that — unemployment is already to high. Besides, the more people the police kill, the fewer people there are — this will help because if working people get knocked off it creates job openings!
Understand the program people — our government is the most corrupt in the world! Within 6 years, most of you will be living in containment centers on sparse rations with no creature comforts if things continue as they are. The powers that be are in the process of “upgrading” both military and police to be more combative with citizens under the guise of being patriotic. Don’t believe me? Read “The End of America” by Naomi Wolf for starters. Educate yourself about the Federal Reserve. The tragic, totally uncalled for shooting and the things I just mentioned, and much more is all interrelated. Out time to take back America is very short.
A former high level photojournalist
Mark
Sep 04, 2009
If we the public allow these trigger happy idiots, that are sittin at home gettin paid with our tax dollars thinkin of another lie to tell,get by with murdering this young man we deserve everything we get when they come to our houses with there guns drawn. Our goverment on every level is out of control we must not let this young mans life be in vain. We battle not with flesh and bone but with principalities. A rally for justice if not a revolution is in order.
Bill Harris
Sep 05, 2009
Debaters debate the two wars as if Nixon’s civil war on Woodstock Nation didn’t yet run amok. One need not travel to China to find indigenous cultures lacking human rights or to Cuba for political prisoners. America leads the world in percentile behind bars, thanks to ongoing persecution of hippies, radicals, and non-whites under banner of the war on drugs. If we’re all about spreading liberty abroad, then why mix the message at home? Peace on the home front would enhance global credibility.
The drug czar’s Rx for prison fodder costs dearly, as lives are flushed down expensive tubes. My shaman’s second opinion is that psychoactive plants are God’s gift. God didn’t screw up. Canadian Marc Emery sold seeds that enable American farmers to outcompete cartels with superior domestic herb. He is being extradited to prison, for doing what government wishes it could do, reduce demand for Mexican.
The constitutionality of the CSA (Controlled Substances Act of 1970) derives from an interstate commerce clause. Only by this authority does it reincarnate Al Capone, endanger homeland security, and throw good money after bad. Official policy is to eradicate, not tax, the number-one cash crop in the land. America rejected prohibition, but it’s back. Apparently, SWAT teams don’t need no stinking amendment.
Nixon promised that the Schafer Commission would support the criminalization of his enemies, but it didn’t. No matter, the witch-hunt was on. No amendments can assure due process under an anti-science law without due process itself. Psychology hailed the breakthrough potential of LSD, until the CSA halted all research and pronounced that marijuana has no medical use, period.
The RFRA (Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993) allows Native American Church members to eat peyote, which functions like LSD. Americans shouldn’t need a specific church membership to obtain their birthright freedom of religion. Denial of entheogen sacrament to any American, for mediation of communion with his or her maker, precludes free exercise of religious liberty.
Freedom of speech presupposes freedom of thought. The Constitution doesn’t enumerate any governmental power to embargo diverse states of mind. How and when did government usurp this power to coerce conformity? The Mayflower sailed to escape coerced conformity. Legislators who would limit cognitive liberty lack jurisdiction.
Common-law must hold that adults own their bodies. The Founding Fathers decreed that the right to the pursuit of happiness is inalienable. Socrates said to know your self. Mortal lawmakers should not presume to thwart the intelligent design that molecular keys unlock spiritual doors. Persons who appreciate their own free choice of path in life should tolerate seekers’ self-exploration.
Simple majorities in each house could repeal the CSA. The books have ample law without it. The usual caveats remain in effect. You are liable for damages when you screw up. Strong medicine requires prescription. Employees can be fired for poor job performance. No harm, no foul; and no excuse, either. Replace the war on drugs with a frugal, constitutional, science-based drugs policy.
james bong
Sep 05, 2009
Supreme Court rulings state that cops can’t shoot anybody unless they are committing a felony.
What America HAS to learn is that cops lie whenever they feel the need, both in and out of court. How many times must this be exposed before people stand up and do something?
Whatever happened to these cops’ uniforms? And marked police cars? There is a clear case at a minimum for negligence here. Manslaughter looks more like it. Second degree murder is a possibility. Saying “I’m a cop” is rather common for lots of criminals these days. Why else have uniforms and marked cars?
I agree with those who say Pastors should get no more sympathy in these situations than any criminal. We’re all citizens, and have the right to liberty and life in these USA.
Kelley
Sep 05, 2009
The cops are as guilty as sin but rest assured they will try to justify this murderous act and thats exactly what it is the video dont lie. This goes on all the time this what if there was no video or witnesses. These acts need to be addressed at the next TEA party. Something has to be done on a public level after all were the ones paying all there salaries
Richard
Sep 05, 2009
So what should we do about this 1) just sit here and talk about 2}Write our state senetors 3) Picket the sheriffs dept.4) Pich in and hire the wife a good lawer (out of town of course)5)Pray that the cops get a concious 6)Take it to supreme court 7)All of the above 8)Just pretend it never happen until it happens to one of us
Michael Hampton
Sep 05, 2009
You could stop paying them. Of course, they won’t like that, and they have guns.
Some of you should look into the Free State Project.
Sam
Sep 05, 2009
So instead, the undercover police should have walked up to the pastor calmly as he exits the store, show him their badges and asked a few questions. How difficult is that? So instead, they wait for him to get in his car try to block him, charge after him with pulled guns and expect him to calmly get out because they had a badge on their collar that when you see a gun in your face you are suppose to see a badge on a collar. Come on guys!! Police are foremost here to protect.
Anonymous
Sep 05, 2009
The remarks were:
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Michael Hampton | September 5, 2009 10:57 am
You could stop paying them. Of course, they won’t like that, and they have guns.
Some of you should look into the Free State Project.
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And when they are done, they should read the U.S. Constitution and ask just these questions:
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[1] WHERE, in the U.S. Constitution —Article, Section, Paragraph/Clause— is the government provided with the authority to regulate the exercise of individual rights?
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[2] In what part of the amending articles is the Congress allowed to make law which regulates ~any~ right?
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If such can’t be found, then the LEGAL exercise of that power just doesn’t exist.
Gary
Sep 05, 2009
Its amazing how cops justify everything they do but its our fault weve let them get by with it for so long
Anonymous
Sep 05, 2009
In the video i see two police running and shooting, One of them was hit by the car? and that was the right to shoot.
He did not look to be afraid for his life.
The police are not afraid.
Yet, in court they will say they had to shoot to save the life of the other. and they both feared for their life And the law gives they that right. A car is a very deadly weapon.
Unmarked police in unmarked cars, well thats going a little too far, but the people need the be protected from drugs and you can’t do that if to and marked cars, now can you.
mitchlove
Sep 05, 2009
In the video i see two police running and shooting, One of them was hit by the car? and that was the right to shoot.
He did not look to be afraid for his life.
The police are not afraid.
Yet, in court they will say they had to shoot to save the life of the other. and they both feared for their life And the law gives they that right. A car is a very deadly weapon.
Unmarked police in unmarked cars, well thats going a little too far, but the people need the be protected from drugs and you can’t do that if to and marked cars, now can you.
KB
Sep 05, 2009
This execution squad should face a judge, jury and hopefully a death sentence for murdering this man. Whether he was white, black, red, yellow or green, it was improper use of deadly force. The officers were apparently inexperienced and possibly did panic. However you look at the video and review the situation these cops blew it big time.
It sounds as if the country sheriff is already trying to cover up this mistake by his officers. He should be taken out of office at the first opportunity by the citizens that elected him in the first place.
Give them jail time…..
Keith
Sep 06, 2009
It will surely let us know what kind of man we have for a sheriff, this may be his last term. But then he might say look guys you over reacted and people like that dont work here. Time wont lie!
Mike
Sep 09, 2009
This is proper police proceedures, we do anything we like, if I’m in a bad mood I’m going to kick someone’s ass, tase/beat or kill them and the tax payer will pay my legal fees. It’s good to be above the law and have all my brethren in blue lie for me. The real “gun nuts” have badges!
Charles
Sep 11, 2009
This is for Elle who said(I would run if I was a pastor who had just dropped off the prostitute I had been patronizing for years and feared what would happen if I were caught…) We have video of what the undercover guys did,and you seem to think that was just fine.We have no video of the pastor engaging in any sex act, and nothing has been said about him meeting her more than this one time,and then only picking her up and dropping her off.You have him patronizing her for years you have already convicted him.
Way to go we need more people like you on the side of the law.
Webb
Sep 11, 2009
To MLB who wrote: (Would this be news if he wasn’t a pastor?)
Think what kind of coverage it would get if he was a black pastor.
MatteBlack
Sep 14, 2009
Totally unjustified. With thenwindows up, and likely the radio on, nobody could have heard the thugs yells “cops”, and when there’s a gun pointed at you, your not really paying attention to your hearing. That’s a fact, the only thing you’ll be doing is trying to vet the he’ll outta there! Even if they did have badges draped around their necks, I would have bolted, I can get those at the corner store for $12, and there’s already countless robberies involving police impersonator, the fact that they were dressed like “gangbanger just adds insult to injury. These kind of cops are morons. I’m honestly surprised the dimwit hit whY they were aiming at.
manny
Sep 14, 2009
looks like the pastor was gonna do wickedness .
1. he picked up a hooker .
2. he was getting money from a atm ” for the hooker”.
3. who knows how long the “pastor ” was sinning this way..
then the LORD allowed this to evil to fall upon this man.
the bible talks about chastizment from GOD ..
lesson here FEAR GOD !!!!!!
manny
Sep 14, 2009
and yes the cops are still guilty for being dumb and violent.
Larry
Sep 16, 2009
(The pastor picked up hooker, got money from atm.) Therefore, God sent in the law to kill him. He did not have a hooker with him when he was shot. No way he could have been just giving her a ride. If he had a hooker in his car, and he was a man of God, then he must have been up to no good. We who know not God, just love to quote the bible against anything that might make us feel guilty about our own sins. If we can find a Christian who has fallen or just rumored to have fallen then we can feel just a little bit justified in our own sins.
Tonya
Sep 16, 2009
Larry – Manny
Unless you knew the man and know anything about God’s work. Don’t spread trash.
Obviously you are only read parts of the story, because her own father stated he was only giving her a ride and ministering to her. Pastor Ayers reached out to sinners and brought them to god. This was his job. All people have the right to hear the word of god, maybe you need to listen to it yourself.
steven
Sep 16, 2009
I have a good bit to say first and for most to Larry “get a clue” IF the cops really had a prostitute charge they would have stopped him with the prostitute thats why “they say” they thought it was a drug buy did you even read this story watch the video you either your a cop or your someone well off who doesnt have dealing with police OR your head is to far up gods ass and dont get me wrong I have a strong belief in god if your really a man of god did you ever think he thought the woman really wanted a ride when he found out what she was let her out the police saw this it was so quik that they assumed it was a drug buy this man was murderd by the people who should protect him and it makes Rodny King look like a day disney world I was so pissed off when I found out about this I called the White House and wrote a letter to the president when ever you have a war inocent people die Reigan started THE WAR ON DRUGS and police started killing people just for using this man was killed no murderd because he gave a ride to prostitute who uses drug because if she sold drugs then she would have money and wouldnt be a prostitute the police in this country are out of controll you here about this all the time but this time it was aleader a PASTOR a man of god wait and see this prostitute who the police say they have will not do a day in jail and she will come out saying somethimg to help the 2 cops I mean murderers wake up America police should have to be in uniform to deal with the public they are not the CIA and this use to be a free country the police use to need proof not just assume so they open fire
steven
Sep 16, 2009
sorry to any who reads that last one Im so upset over this it just flew out that I never even used a , or a .
Larry
Sep 16, 2009
I am sorry, but I was not making myself clear, or you misunderstood me. In no way do I think this man was guilty of patronizing prostitutes. I was merely mocking manny and his or her opinion. I stand by my statements. We sometimes try to bring down good people to satisfy our on failures. When I see someone trying to bring down a man of God, I see a person trying to make themselves feel better about whatever sins are in their own lives. I would never say anything bad about Jonathan, he was very dear to my family. I believe without a doubt, he was just being a Christian in giving her a ride.
steven
Sep 16, 2009
I live in SC, last march I passed a police car on the HWY going 40 or 45 in a 55 mile zone. they had asmall snow fall the night before only 5 or 6 inches but roads were plowed and in fair condition. the cop was going mayby 30 or 35. unable to see if ther was even a shoulder to safely pull my car over I turned on my flashers and drove 1 mile to an exit and stopped at the bottom of the ramp. just before I got there they got into position for a pit manuver. having a bad back from a head on collision with a drunk drver a year before I was afraid they would rip me from my car. I got out with my hands high. they still put guns on me and with a for arm in my neck slammed me into my car and remember I was going 45 in a 55 I was given 3 tickets passing with out proper distence, failure to yield to an emegency vehicle,and not stopping for a stop sign at the bottom of the exit were I stopped (yeah thats what I said)and this is a two lane HWY so how did I not have room to pass. IM lucky im not dead after that, and this PIG says hey we had to pull our guns, we just want to get home safe to our familys .IM a husband IM a father Im a cable contracter I work on power poles I risk my life every day too. Its not sopose to upsett me because the person holding a gun in my face has a badge instead of a mask. personally I would rather see a mask at least if he pulls the triger he might go to jail!!! if anyone sees this and think they can help please let me know because I think my lawyer is as dumb as the cops and court is next month
steven
Sep 16, 2009
Larry thank you I did misunderstand Im sorry
steven
Sep 17, 2009
I just enterd my email
Adam
Sep 17, 2009
This is how are tax dollars are being spent for this “war” on drugs. What a waste of resources and money. Are these cops so stupid that they truly think what they are doing is good for the community? Or do they just like to play dress up and live out some demented childhood fantasy? What is it going to take to realize that law enforcement cannot fix the USA drug problem and they only add to the problem!
A man was killed by police why? Because they thought he may have a little coke on him.
james
Sep 17, 2009
The criminals that shot the innocent man will be hero’s in the eyes of the NWO.
steven
Sep 17, 2009
What needs to be done, is do away with the local cops in every little piss ant town and have one state police. they have more training they are more professional. there should no action taken EVER if a police officer is not in uniform. women have been pulled over by unmarked cars and raped because the police wont change this unmarked car policy now a PASTOR has been killed and lets not forget Rodny King after 9/11 you cant even get a tooth pick on an airplain do we really need to wait untill the death toll is in the thousands before someone puts these terrorist police organizations down. watch old videos on the hippies in the 60’s with police beating people down with billy clubs 40 years later they just shoot you things are not getting better my friends even the police say “not all cops are bad” so they know not all cops are good.time to start weeding out the bad I think all cops need to see a shrink at least once week to make sure WE dont get killed because some cop has been fighting wife SOMETHING HAS GOT TO CHANGE!!!!!!!!
steven
Sep 17, 2009
ADAM the war on drugs is not a waste of resources or money these terrorist police organizations are extorting millions of dollars every year from poeple who USE drugs and every now and then they get to shoot someone they got a great buisness going give us your money or we’ll put you in jail,dont pay your fine and we,ll charge you with that and take even more money this PASTOR was killed because these terrorist cops thought they could make a few bucks I hope they burn hell after along life in prison where they belong
steven
Sep 17, 2009
look close at these 44 comments so many the first few days 2 weeks later less and less.How quickly we forget
Wildflower
Sep 19, 2009
If you want more information, check out the interview of the woman that was in the car with Ayers on The Northeast Georgian website. Just type in Ayers in the archive search. Ayers was just showing the love of Christ to this woman. He was just doing what God commanded of all of us – love others and tell them about the love of God. Where is the accountability of the drug task force. Chance Oxner is the head of the drug task force. He was the one that the woman sold cocaine to. I live in this area and this makes me nervous to go invite someone to go to church! Would I be followed and shot at too? Who is in charge of these guys with guns? If you watch the video and read all the articles – I think they should have been tested for steroids. It looks to me like they were overly-excited and over-zealous. Maybe ‘roid rage?????
steven
Sep 19, 2009
wildflower I think you could be right I have not seen what this woman said but will check it out right now. you say you live in that area? dont be fooled police like this are every where.I think its so sad that we cant trust the people who are sopose to protect us. wildflower,GOD BLESS
steven
Sep 19, 2009
I just read the story at I cant believe the police have been calling this woman a prostitute when she has never been charged with that nor had she ever been charged with selling drugs untill after the police murderd this poor man,a man of god! another atempt by police to justify there terrorist ways
steven
Sep 19, 2009
my last comment left out the web site for northeast georgian
Wildflower
Sep 19, 2009
You are right. The police are suppose to protect the citizens. And the local reports have been so varied – the family was told it was a random shooting, they were told he was shot by a drug dealer – I ever read one report that he was a drug dealer. The sheriff didn’t even tell the family at the hospital that Ayers was shot by a law enforcement officer. Ayers himself asked who shot him before he died. I so feel for the family. If anyone is a praying person, please lift up the family. The surely need God’s grace.
steven
Sep 19, 2009
I pray the Ayers family sees justice and these men do time in a real jail not a (country club jail) and his wife & unborn child should’nt have to worry about money, EVER!!! But if you live there be careful!!!!! because the police will have to make more arrest in order to pay for it.you’ll start getting stopped for going 36 in a 35 if something is’nt done to put these DOGS on a leash. So far I did the only thing I could think of I wrote a letter to the President and to sum it up real quik it said perhaps you should do something about these cops or maybe he should wait for another LA riot kind of thing. if you remember it was all turned into a race thing ,which it was but it was really police trying kill someone black or white should’nt matter. if all that anger was aimed at the police there would’nt have been a cop left in LA does America really need more dead people to fix this problem .laws need to be put in place 1) only a uniformed officer in a marked car can deal with the public 2) drug users should have to pay to go to drug counseling or rehab depending on how many times hes been caught. that would take the money out of the hands of police not only that but alot of states charge you with a felony for very small amounts and that stays with you forever .they wonder why so many people cant find good jobs the justice system needs an overhaul FAST!!!!!
steven
Sep 22, 2009
Is there any new news about this yet
steven
Sep 22, 2009
is there any new news about this
Andrew
Sep 23, 2009
Somone said: “the people need to be protected from Drugs.”
I call BS on this.
The people need an education.
Education lets the people make a well informed decision.
An Education teaches the people that they can say no. The people need no more protection from drugs than a basic education.
joebanana
Sep 23, 2009
The war on drugs has caused more harm, and death, than it’s prevented. The US government is an evil, evil, death machine. Death is a pass-time for our sick leaders.
GunNut
Sep 30, 2009
I wish the good pastor could have shot back at those thugs, killers prefer unarmed victims.
Ray
Oct 04, 2009
Ellie:
In regards to:
f people identifying themselves as police and holding badges in a public place wanted to talk to me, I wouldn’t fight them and run over them! Unless of course I was a pastor who had just dropped off the prostitute I had been patronizing for years and feared what would happen if I were caught…
I feel so sorry for his poor wife. Bad enough to have your husband gone and to raise a child alone, but to find out that he was sleeping with prostitutes would be the worst! If he hadn’t been in that place, it never would have happened…
Oh yeah and you found any of this information out how. I am a lay pastor and meet with people in this mode in a lot of places. Many of them are less than ideal in background. But guess what Jesus loves them all. In fact I will be meeting with a convicted robber out on parol tommorow afternoon. It is part of what you do.
As far as people in unmarked vehicles out of uniform waving guns and badges trying to stop me, frankly they had better get out of the way. Because I will be calling 911 asking for “real police” to respond and leaving at high speed. If I have to run them down to do it, I will. I have actually already caused one unmarked police car trying to follow me to crash and total the car. I, for good reason, thought that I was in danger, and I know how to drive at high speeds if I need to.
Ray
Oct 04, 2009
GunNut is right on.
The pastor should have had every right to kill every one of them. From what I have read on the incident we could do with fewer officers like this.
Bob
Oct 07, 2009
Right on Ray! And headshots too. Every one of them right between the eyes!
That pastor should have stepped out like Hickock, with his legs apart and his free arm behind his back, and dropped every one of them sonsabitches with a headshot from his .44 mag..
Irwin Mann
Oct 21, 2009
Yet another innocent is murdered by jack booted thugs.
Seeing as how often I hear this kind of crap, I’m really surprised that the Unintended Consequences theory hasn’t already happened. I heard of a couple recently who could have used a Solothurn when they were besieged in their own home for over a week by the feds in NH.
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Irwin Mann
Oct 21, 2009
Bob | October 7, 2009 11:14 pm
“Right on Ray! And headshots too. Every one of them right between the eyes!
That pastor should have stepped out like Hickock, with his legs apart and his free arm behind his back, and dropped every one of them sonsabitches with a headshot from his .44 mag..”
I would have aimed for their groins and used an M1911.
Irwin Mann
Oct 21, 2009
On second thought, I really like .75 caliber Dessert Eagles, made by IWI.
Ed Maxwell
Jan 22, 2010
Mafia types are under surveillance for YEARS before a bust.
These cowboys come out blazing. FIRE them and CHARGE THEM!
steven
Jan 23, 2010
I would like to know what happen with all this I tried looking up some info on this just afew weeks ago but could’nt find any thing .I hope they lock these 2 pigs up for the rest of there life. Dont forget this mans wife was pregnant when he was murderd this happen back in Oct. I think she would have had her child by now a child that will never know its father because of 2 pigs who thought they might be able to make a small time drug bust even if Ayers did get drugs cops can kill people over some $50 bag what the fuck
Ray
Jan 24, 2010
I looked too. I find that basically there is two days or so of information, and then total silence. Does make you wonder.
steven
Jan 25, 2010
I just called the northeast georgian if you go to arcives and do an advanced search type in Ayers and in the date type 09-01-09 and it came up.Of course what I feared would happen did on Dec 15 a grand jury found it to be a justifiable shooting.What a crok of shit hope everyone keeps in mind any PIG in any town can and will kill you just to see if his gun works and they will walk. Ever since 9-11 they try to make cops out to be HEROS well I would like to see these HEROS draged into the streets beaten,castraded,knee caps smashed and then SHOT